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The writing of the Dispensation we are in on Urantia
« on: October 01, 2016, 02:32:37 AM »
  
Hello All,

I was reading today in TUB something that I thought I would share and see if you could give me some thoughts in understanding about my questions.

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This is what I read: 39.4.15 “5. The Transporters. These are the transport seraphim who function in the local systems. In Satania, your system, they carry passengers back and forth from Jerusem and otherwise serve as interplanetary transporters. Seldom does a day pass in which a transport seraphim of Satania does not deposit some student visitor or some other traveler of spirit or semispirit nature on the shores of Urantia. These very space traversers will sometime carry you to and from the various worlds of the system headquarters group, and when you have finished the Jerusem assignment, they will carry you forward to Edentia. But under no circumstances will they carry you backward to the world of human origin. A mortal never returns to his native planet during the dispensation of his temporal existence, and if he should return during a subsequent dispensation, he would be escorted by a transport seraphim of the universe headquarters group.”

When I first read this I only saw it saying that “ A mortal never returns to his native planet” How could that be seeing that we are going to have many from the past come to Urantia in the MSM Mission. After sleeping on it I reread it and got a little more insights. He could only “return during a subsequent dispensation”.

So what identifies a dispensation? How many dispensations has Urantia had? When does one end and another begin? Is it by events or by time? Is a Planetary Age, the same as a Dispensation?

So I put my duns cap on, and recalled that the TUB book has been called the 5th Epochal Revelation. Why does it says that? I may need help on this.
Revelation has been provided to Urantia by:
1. Planetary Prince,
2. Adam and Eve
3. Melchizedek of Salem
4. Jesus
5. The Urantia Book
Also was there a resurrection roll call with these events? Some I think did. (Adam and Eve)

I one of Ron’s post in overmind’s “Re: Resurrection

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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2016, 12:00:28 PM »
Paul of Tarsus, the First and Last Apostle. - "I have spoken so often on this subject it is easy for me to teach it to you Overmind.  the Harvest is a dispensation.  We are in the fifth epochal dispensation, and we have had nearly thirty technical dispensations before the Harvest.  
 
 "What 5:33:04 means is that we are in the fifth Urantia world-wide dispensation; the thirty-third technical dispensation; and have had four roll calls by Gabriel that are considered epochal.  The Harvest should be written this way 5:34:5 and you can figure that out for yourself. I am about to tell you that the life and times of Jesus are upon us, but I am warned that I must not lead you to temptation about what is to happen.  The sixth epochal dispensation will likely occur when Jesus leaves Urantia completing his bestowal and that will reset the dial to 6:0:0 until we have a technical dispensation

You will find this in the FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ) document

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“The Fourth Epochal Revelation came in 07 BC, the birth of Jesus,  and its effects were to cause the religion of Christianity to spread over much of the world. All of us have lived under the Jesusonian Dispensation (the 4th) until most recently as the fourth epochal dispensation and revelation.  It has only most recently been changed to  the Fifth Epochal Revelation and Dispensation, proclaimed on Urantia by Gabriel, the Chief of all angels and top administrator for Nebadon, dated January 16, 2015, when the fifth epochal dispensation and revelation was declared at noon time in the New York time zone on Urantia.”

So at that time the clock was reset to 5:0:0: As the start of the new 5th Dispensation.
From this date of January 16th 2015, our Dispensation is to be wrote 5:33:04.
We are in the fifth Urantia world-wide dispensation; the thirty-third technical dispensation; and have had four roll calls by Gabriel that are considered epochal.

Here is where I may like to have some help.
5: Dispensation = Epochal changes on Urantia.
33: Technical Dispensation = ?
04: Roll Calls by Gabriel = Epochal resurrections?

I hope I am clear in what I want to say. I think I understand one out of the three events that are listed in writing where we are in the Dispensation for Urantia.

Help me on the other two.

When I get this down it would be easy to write, it would be like giving your birth date 00/00/000.

Thanks for your help in this.
Ron H.

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Re: The writing of the Dispensation we are in on Urantia
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2016, 10:29:41 PM »
Does any one have any thought about my questions?

I have been doing searches and I have not been finding any thing to help explain these two Sub Dispensations.

33: Technical Dispensation = ?
What would be a Technical Dispensation? We have had 33 in less than two years time on Urantia.

04 ?  We have had four of these in less than two years also. What would these be? Resurrections?
Can any one think of what they might be, I have no idea.  

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Re: The writing of the Dispensation we are in on Urantia
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2016, 12:46:52 AM »
In my view, technical dispensations are only labeled dispensations due to technicalities, and these can happen just from a change in staff, or some sort of event that slightly alters things on the planet. You might also have a technical dispensation with details that alter the destiny of a group of humans. We really don't know much about this system they use, and I care far more about what they are doing than in what way they are recording it.
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Re: The writing of the Dispensation we are in on Urantia
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2016, 11:34:19 AM »
It is more likely that a "Paradise Avonal" Son has currently come "solely as a dispensational adjudicator", since the "bestowal missions" have been fulfilled on Urantia.  This was out of order but would seem to be necessary in order to fulfill needed adjudication of Urantia, or when "a Paradise Son visits an evolutionary world and becomes like one of its people, his presence terminates a dispensation and constitutes a judgment of the realm."

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3. Judicial Actions

(226.1) 20:3.1 The Avonals are known as Magisterial Sons because they are the high magistrates of the realms, the adjudicators of the successive dispensations of the worlds of time. They preside over the awakening of the sleeping survivors, sit in judgment on the realm, bring to an end a dispensation of suspended justice, execute the mandates of an age of probationary mercy, reassign the space creatures of planetary ministry to the tasks of the new dispensation, and return to the headquarters of their local universe upon the completion of their mission.

(226.2) 20:3.2 When they sit in judgment on the destinies of an age, the Avonals decree the fate of the evolutionary races, but though they may render judgments extinguishing the identity of personal creatures, they do not execute such sentences. Verdicts of this nature are executed by none but the authorities of a superuniverse.

(226.3) 20:3.3 The arrival of a Paradise Avonal on an evolutionary world for the purpose of terminating a dispensation and of inaugurating a new era of planetary progression is not necessarily either a magisterial mission or a bestowal mission. Magisterial missions sometimes, and bestowal missions always, are incarnations; that is, on such assignments the Avonals serve on a planet in material form — literally. Their other visits are “technical,” and in this capacity an Avonal is not incarnated for planetary service. If a Magisterial Son comes solely as a dispensational adjudicator, he arrives on a planet as a spiritual being, invisible to the material creatures of the realm. Such technical visits occur repeatedly in the long history of an inhabited world.

(226.4) 20:3.4 Avonal Sons may act as planetary judges prior to both the magisterial and bestowal experiences. On either of these missions, however, the incarnated Son will judge the passing planetary age; likewise does a Creator Son when incarnated on a mission of bestowal in the likeness of mortal flesh. When a Paradise Son visits an evolutionary world and becomes like one of its people, his presence terminates a dispensation and constitutes a judgment of the realm.

Therefore, based on what the Urantia Book indicates as being possible, or should be, are not necessarily to occur as one might assume, or for specific reasons that might have been indicated.  Much is mentioned as to what normally happens but as we know, Urantia is not a normal planet and has its resent history recorded in various diverse orders or sequences from the norm, because the records of old were destroyed.  In some cases, we may be reenacting old history as verified by the Ancients of Days, in order to fulfill the "Unions of Days", so that the truth can be determined to better adjudicate the sleeping survivors, who are incarnated on Urantia.

So, it would seem that we are currently experiencing a Judicial Mission, where it may also include a Magisterial Mission, in order to combine functions needed to bring changes to Urantia through the functioning of the Spirit of Truth.  
 
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Re: The writing of the Dispensation we are in on Urantia
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2016, 01:08:28 PM »
So maybe this is what the "Technical Dispensation" is:
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Their other visits are “technical,” and in this capacity an Avonal is not incarnated for planetary service.
If so then we have had in less than 2 years 33 visits.

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Re: The writing of the Dispensation we are in on Urantia
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2016, 04:23:14 PM »
I must come in and set the record straight again.  Ron your reasoning baffles me as you are trying to equate the visits of Magisterial Sons as technical versions of an epochal revelation and an epochal dispensation.  I have stated, I thought, clearly these designations mean to you in my personal post to you.  Let me do so once again for all of you.

The dispensation clock on Urantia reads right now: 05:33:04

That is how they record it precisely on Salvington on all of their stationary and message sending when the subject is addressed officially and UN-officially.

I am now being dictated to by Michael of Nebadon further:

"You are all missing the point of what we try to teach and the silliness of it all is that you Ron H, cannot retain what you are reading well due to the choice of foods and drink you like so much.  As a result you have completely confused yourself because you cannot get to your memory banks well enough to realize you do not know what you are talking about at all.  Overmind is not far behind you as he does not understand a dispensation and although Ron is an old hand at it, he believes just enough not to get into trouble with the term dispensation, technical dispensation, and the last part of the time-like figure to write a dispensation quality at the moment as 05:33:04, and that is the "04" stands for allocation of resources for a new roll call of which there are, so far, 04 of them.

"Allocation of dispensations come at great cost to Urantia only in that we have to throw away the old requirements of the old dispensation, and then adopt to new rules of spiritual order for a new age to follow.

"Urantia in the last one million years has had five dispensations.  The Fifth being official as January 16, 2015.  This coming January 2016 on the 16th, we will celebrate the Fifth Epochal Dispensation as being two years old.  The old Millennial Dispensation, the one started by Jesus being here, was the Fourth Epochal Dispensation.  Learn to limit your discussion about a dispensation to include only a spirit rule change as to what we are going to do here and what we must keep sacred as already given to us by other dispensations on Urantia.

"The 33 (thirty-three) technical dispensations are NOT EPOCHAL.  A technical dispensation adjusts a little piece of the epochal dispensation.  Suppose the fifth epochal dispensation said we had to re-establish the Seraphic Government again, and then after the dispensation was issued on January 16, 2015, I changed my mind to say NO seraphic government again!  To correct what we had in the original dispensation for what I decided later is called TECHNICAL.  We make a line correction or a paragraph connection to the original Dispensational language and call it a technical dispensation.  I have done thirty-three (33) of them so far in less than two years.  The Fourth Epochal Dispensation ended looking like this:  04:137:16; again: 04:137:16

"We number one up all roll calls under a dispensation that are world wide.  You were all advised as these Roll Calls happened over the past two years.  Gabriel call the sleeping survivors and other entities to justice and to home four time (4x) since initiating the Fifth Epochal Dispensation.

"Now Ron is a real smarty sometimes and points out to me we have had sweeps of justice for the entire planet not mentioned as Roll Calls.  There were seven (7) sweeps not included in the tally of 05:33:04 for good reason: these Justice Sweeps were from the Paradise Trinity and are not recorded in the version we use on Salvington.  However, we will revise our Dispensational Notation soon to show other Justice Sweeps and other roll-call types never envisioned by us before Urantia had a rebellion.

"Your lives will depend on being able to understand what you read!  Please put some effort into it, all of you because we are seeing a rapid deterioration of interest and logic on the site and Ron is keenly aware of it by what some of you answer to posts that have very little content in them to work on.  I prefer to shut this site down when it gets so narrated that even I cannot follow the logic used at times to say what is right and what is wrong and I know Ron has held back so he does not sound like a Puritan Proctor at this stage of evolution.  I am Michael, and I hope we have made our point very clear.  It is not hard and it is easy arithmetic and has been gone into several years before in great concern in ABC summaries and so on.  I leave all of this for now as we have another detail to announce to the people who do read this list for changing information.


NEW Michael Statements for this purpose:

Michael: I am never leaving Urantia until the Jesus bestowal is finished and I am referring to what Ron labels the Second Return.  But I must advise all of you that your behavior is great and well done here, but that some real changes will have to be made once the Jesus announcement is history.

"Ron will be reassigned to the nations capital.  That roll for now is secret.

"We will assign one of you to be the Moderator on this site but you must be sure you can handle it as it is tricky at best and at worst a failure quite quickly if you do not learn what is truly the right thing to do and what is not to be done ever.  Ron, so far, has avoided doing that, and he always discusses the problem with me or Mother Spirit before fully deciding the issue and doing it.  I have seen him dither for days over actions he really does not want to carry out, and finally does because the irritation keeps building over salient issues that have to be addressed.  However, we wait for the Father to decide this status for this web site has been a life savior to us to get things moving in place better, and we will keep Ron as the Moderator so long as he can monitor it and make the decision he must when using it for a higher authority.

"Our work for the United States is our imperative, our primary goal on Urantia first is to re-establish the United States as a working Democracy for all the world to depend on.  Our work is to establish a HQ campus in York and that is done except for securing the land around those buildings.  Our work is not to cause problems but to end the stalemate of Congress with the Executive Branch and Ron's work is in that area for us alone.  He has been fully apprised of what he is to do and how and we welcome the idea that he keeps it under his portfolio for now.  He also thinks we are crazy for suggesting it but he is enthusiastic to try it.

"Meanwhile, some of you will also be eventually assigned to Washington and for the same work if we are successful.  Considering how hard it is for some of you to transmit, no one under the ability of Ron will be allowed to do it, so you all have your work cut out for you for national service as well.  I have good news for Ron on this front too, as he sees the waste that has come to the old Teaching Mission and will ask me to bring them back into the fold for national service as well if possible.

"I am Michael and I hear Ron laugh in his mind when I say some of these things, not because he feels they will not work, but because he holds himself quite a bit lower than we do, but he has signed on for this national service early, and his ward, Liu Ding Xin will participate with him to provide experience with dealing with the high calling this represents.  Much depends on the personalities of the new Presidency in DC but that is another story entirely."

Jesus - "I stand my ground with Ron as my first true Apostle on Urantia and he will serve with great dignity in the Father's Temple when the time comes.  He will be appointed as an Ambassador to other nations far in the future as our Temple Associates and he will see to it that all of you are included to the extent he is allowed.  I wish to state one other cause he must take serious note of: His proposed bi-furcation with his ward, Ding Xin, is running wide open to be done as they establish a close spiritual relationship for one to stand in for the other as we ill have them do in Washington.  If this occurs Washington will be advised this has happened and that Ron's Aide is now one with the principal and that they are not to be divided further in service.  We must align Liu Ding Xin with Ron quickly so he gets used to crazy Ron at times, but that Ding Xin will learn the basics of good transmissions and already is highly regarded as a translator of the Chinese language called Mandarin. 

"As Jesus, we need to understand that Ron is truly a house hold word in some corners of the world as he is carefully preparing many writings that must be told soon but which he holds back at our request with revelation you will wonder where we ever came up with such a concept.  He is truly a silly individual who can trigger hilarity at the drop of a hat when his mind is broached by spirit to see his reaction to our statement.  In the future we must make you all understand that your Moderator on this site is no longer human but really a cross between a Midwayer and a jolt of enthusiastic human. I further stipulate that some of these pictures become part of our archive for perusing unofficially to see the nut case we deal with in the cartoon areas.  Someday some you will be as well gifted and surely our friend Lemuel will have them too as they are similar minds entirely.  Care that you understand more than possible soon because the one we call Ron has no use for misstatements and will insist he gets a fully competent transmission every time.

Jesus ANNOUNCEMENT

JESUS - "Starting tomorrow, Monday October 3rd, 2016 at noon NYZ (New York Time Zone), the announcements will be made available as a transcript on Mansion Worlds 3, 4, and 5.  Jerusem already has the announcement as a transcription and as what you would call a video tape of it.  We will make the transcription of the announcement available to Ron on October 4th, 2016, and we will decide if he they are to be released or held back for a short period at that time. 

"As Jesus, I must advise all of you that Ron has been advised of the passing of one your loyal and helpful members in the past few days.  We doubt his family has the ability to post on line that he is gone.  Lundco died of a massive hemorrhage of the heart while speaking to a group about us. He will be sorely missed by Ron and by all of you too we expect.

"One final note: Lundco is quite alive and happy on Mansion World Two today and we congratulate him for his work on Urantia and he will be available for work on this web site as soon as permission is granted to all of us to do it this way."

Michael - "Ron close this off with your best wishes to Lundco and we sign off for now. Thank you."

Ron: It was with considerable surprise and sadness I learned of Lundco's passing my a messenger speaking in my ear as I barely awoke on Saturday morning.  Lundco never questioned policies put forth by our transmissions and was happy to make do with the best of what he understood.  I will miss him particularly for his keen questions that would suddenly appear and make me scramble to find a best answer for them.  I am attempting to understand, also, why they announced his death to me as I do appreciated it very much.  When John Thwaytes suddenly died in India I have no way to understand what happened to the very fine and distinguished man, author, and Priest to Boys Town in India, and many more accolades he has to his credit and I wished him well too only to discover that today I received a missive from one of his followers asking for a donation to their cause.  Right now that is tricky to do, but I will keep it in mind for the future as I seem to be on the mailing list suddenly from Boys Town or whatever the ministry is.  I also point out that John Thwaytes is still asleep after a long and grueling battle with lung cancer and too many late nights around the camp fire with orphans he loved to death.  He is without rancor and without failure on Urantia.  Now how does that apply to Lundco?

I think that Lundco and Father John would love to speak to all of you when they are awake enough to do that.  Father John sleeps well at this time, and Lundco will be placed in the crypt of Joy where he resides right now and only slightly conscious of his new surroundings on Mansion World 2.  I am not privy to why or where or how this is being accomplished, but Michael has made it clear to me that Lundco needs rehabilitated with his old friends here on this discussion forum, and that a few of us will stand in for lack or ability to write directly, but some of his transmitters will transmit him to this forum for his messages and lessons for us, now that he sees his new place to live and comment upon.

I close with the second thought too, and that is that Father John will join Lundco and speak together and as separate lesson givers to transmitters here.  Father John knew Ron intimately and loved the ABC Summaries as many of you did.  Ron has been advised that they will be revised later on and that is one of the outreach messaging Ron will be allowed to do for all.  Father John used the Summaries in his books and poems and so on and Ron is truly surprised another man could love the work as he did.

As you can see I temporarily was encurcuited while writing this farewell to Lundco by Michael and the angel attending Father John to be soon awakened and while Lundco gets himself together and recognizes his little grandson is bereft, little grandson will be given dispensational rights to remove his grieving and to talk to grandpa again as he always did before night time in the house that shielded so many from the harsh realities of living on Urantia.   I close with this statement from mindly Michael who has allowed me to be informed of this passing:

"I am Michael, and I love all of you.  I will see you in the flesh very soon and very soon Jesus and I will breast our wares upon the galloping planet called Urantia, for it is a planet with mild aversion to anything good, and it drives us all crazy trying to understand people like Lundco who could call the world of spirit to his feet so he could learn what he had to and did.  Good day."

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Re: The writing of the Dispensation we are in on Urantia
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2016, 08:34:31 PM »
Lundco, to your friends and family; Stay in the Light.  My deepest Love

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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2016, 10:17:28 PM »
I think it's possible Ron got the person wrong. Lundco's account says he is online, though it is not impossible that it is someone else. Before jumping to conclusions, someone needs to try contacting him. Of course, since I now see his name at the top, showing that he is looking at the thread, he will probably comment.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2016, 10:19:49 PM by overmind »
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2016, 10:51:24 PM »
Hey everyone, don't write me off yet! I only went fishing at Milford Lake and returned with 5 keepers. You can not imagine how red my face was, even with my sunburn, then trying to catch up and I read I'm dead! I did look around and tapped my dog to make sure. I like being mentioned on the forum, however that's not what I had in mind. Guess I better post more. I have a lot to do to be of service so I hope I'm around along time. Not sure who moved on, but it was not Lundco.  Lots of Love    Lundco    No this is not his ghost!
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2016, 11:17:10 PM »
Hi Lundco, it seems you died and came back to go fishing!  Great to hear you are alive and kicking and I am delighted not to have to report you missing on the mansion worlds now.  I do enjoy these little tests from the Ancients of Days and they never tell me whether they are serious or not.  I took them serious forty-eight hours ago and refused to post your obituary then but they insisted again this morning.  I prefer you alive and kicking believe me, and take care yourself just in case you do have a heart problem.  Do not let the excitement of the divine announcement upset your heart!  I am glad to have you back in the flesh and blood and I want you to understand the actual transmission was quite explicit as to what made you die and that your were quickly taken to the mansion worlds for your ascension.  It seems I get egg on my face every six months, and this is supposed to be my quota for the last part of this year, and I am sure I will get upset with them again in another six months for this awful testing they do to see how I respond to an emergency announcement.  welcome back from the lake and may your "keepers" taste great!   Ron :)
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2016, 11:22:31 PM »
Hey Lundco, Welcome back. I didn't know there was a Milford Lake on MW2, and I'll bet those Keepers are huge!
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2016, 11:50:31 PM »
Dear Ron,
We know never to wish harm or worse to the messenger.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2016, 12:11:41 AM »
Lundco my brother, glad to hear you are still with us, and you have 5 fishies, and a dog to prove it.  I will continue to pray for you and your daughter, and your family.  Domtia. Charlie. Peace and Love to all.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2016, 12:59:24 AM »
Well that's ok RonB, I know some of us are going through some testing of sorts as I keep getting this recurring dream and every time I get closer to the final outcome. Last night I was so close I got woken up by the alarm to get up to go to work today. I can assure you how annoying that was as I pause to reflect on the dream as it so impressed upon me to do my utmost in it. I soon realise something bothered me when I woke up and thought about it. Perhaps I was nervous to that point of deliverance or worse I felt I tried to control things my way and not give in all that I am in this dream. It was a project to set me out to achieve a certain thing, I had almost got to the level and I notice I'm not the only one doing this project as there were others but only two were competent at it, myself and one other not revealed to me.  I don't know why this is perking me but this Lundco blunder has made me see how it is for some of us who are to be tasked to do a certain project, perhaps in some future assignment. 

The dream I get is so involving that I was riveted to the task at hand only to be jolted awake and largely annoyed by the interruption.  It made me dislike material life this morning!  Talk about Mondayitis and resumption of daylight saving!  I hope I get to redream this and get to the bottom of it and see the outcome of this project I was so enthralled in.  I see my Adjuster hard at work with me in all of this. 

Thank you Michael of Nebadon for letting us know how soon you are to see to your task with our wayward world, and I pray this with Jesus, your 'project' has a superb outcome as in my dream I had such high expectations that it is so.  Thank you Ron for sharing so many aspects of yourself with us. Lundco, I was so sad, I couldn't find the words and so here you are and you are with us so, I am overjoyed.  Keep with us and pray you are well in the times to come with Jesus on board with us. 

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2016, 05:39:51 AM »
Hi Lundco,
It is good that you are back from the fishing we thought something had happen to you. I think Ron was talking about the other TUB reader by the name of Lundco. ;D
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