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Ron Besser

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    Ron Besser here - I wish to establish the new Category for discussions about Jesus for many reasons.  However, I know very well that what we face in a few weeks will include defending ourselves from eschatological demands that the Magisterial Mission, our Paradise sons Serara and Monjoronson, and perhaps Jesus himself, will fall victim to the frenzy of hate certain churches insist must be shown to any change concerning the Return of Jesus or for reasons unstated concerning the work of the Magisterial Mission.

    The subject I dislike most of all is defending against the very idea that such an individual does or could exist.  I do not believe he does, or if he does, he is unknown to Serara and Monjoronson as we speak and write here.  One of our members has written me about the antichrist and what I said, briefly, about such an individual in a previous post concerning the 6th Epochal Revelation, and how that neatly ties into the already declared Sixth Epochal DISPENSATION.  Please do not get these two things mixed up as they are very different kinds of subjects, but let us proceed to the idea of antichrist as MidiChlorian inquires of it in another category and moved to this Category to attend to it.

Here is MidiChlorian's post to reference it for my answer to him:

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Re: MILLENNIAL BROADCAST #2 - EPOCHAL REVELATION & THE URANTIA BOOK 15JUN2017
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Something else: Suppose we learn to teach well and we suddenly have to face a group or a mob that tries to stop our work?  They start yelling and chanting that we are the personification of antichrist and maybe threaten our lives?  Right there an then we find out how much you or I can take in public. If you defend yourselves well you can easily become a candidate for being a Mighty Messenger, or the Father could summarily remove you or me or both from the planet at some point and risk no further contribution from either of us on the subject.  [. . .]

Ron: I found it interesting that you referred to being called "antichrist" where this is not the first time you have used this simile, where once you used the same reference to the return of Jesus, where he would possibly be considered as the "antichrist" by some, but that post has been removed.  Nevertheless, I am curious as to how you think an "antichrist", as in its "personification" might be described, because the Bible does mention "antichrist(s)" five times and its definition varies slightly. And, when you use it above in reference to "learn to teach well" might indicate that what you might be attempting to teach, regarding the "sixth epochal dispensation", would or could insight a "mob" as it refers to these teachings? Forgive me for this query but, it seemed a little dramatic in lite of a "candidate for being a Mighty Messenger", although I understand the principles behind the mustering in of a "Mighty Messenger", where it does not appear possible without, additional movement through the Universe.

The other point that I wanted to make regarding the "antichrist" is that based on one of the Biblical statements, and not to mention the more popular writings of Nostradamus where his reference to the third "antichrist" would be that he actual is alive and present today.  However, many have speculated as to the identity of said person, which I have been made privy to the secrets as to this identity, where the so-called name being mentioned as "mabus" is a coded method of identification as to the family surname(s) used, and not to mention the secret writings and pictures, recently revealed, which are coded with the family coat of arms, and the time period of his appearance.  Yet I am not at liberty to reveal this identity because, it might cause a bigger problem because Nostradamus really never revealed what this person would do, in order to receive this label, only to mention that it was to late to be able to do anything about the second antichrist, as he mentions. So, if what I have said is correct and valid, which it is, then I also believe that there may be a misunderstanding as to the role of this character, and may also play a part in the Magisterial Mission, as you once eluded to and as I have aforementioned.  This is why I am interested in your understanding as the definition of the "personification of antichrist", as you used it above.
   


My Response to MidiChlorian:
MidiChlorian, let me first express what I think about the antichrist:

1) He does not exist, but could exist due to historical circumstances opening the way to an expression of hate that the antichrist will have for God and for Jesus and for those of you who help the Magisterial Mission.  That means he appears because we let him appear.

2) The antichrist is never good.  Just understand that.  Some people seem to think that any antichrist can have a good side to them like so many felt Hitler had a good side to his him for being a loving family man in disrespect to the brutality of murdering ten million souls before left earth.  The antichrist is no better than Hitler in this respect and he must be defanged before he poisons the well of the Magisterial Mission.

3) Nostradamus made him, the antichrist up, in order to play the good he can do through prophecy against the evil of the church and its killing of Jews and heretics in the century he lived.

With all of that said, Mabus (the name Nostradamus gave the antichrist), was and still is a made up name with no particular reason for using it, EXCEPT, Mother Spirit of the day insisted he write it down as clearly as he could so that when interpretation was to be supplied, those doing it had a real set of letters and a name to conjecture with.

Mabus is no name that makes sense today, but in the 17th century, Nostradamus held two people particularly harsh: The Holy Roman Emperor, and a Prince of England he detest, Henry the VIII,  In both case Nostradamus held them ready to destroy the Catholic Church, and defame Christendom.  No one exists today who cares that much about the Church in general, and particularly, the Catholic Church which has seen its work become fallible over and over again due to the lack of respect it now has before the national governments (secular administrations except in Italy and they are bankrupt for all intents and purposes) of today.

Mabus could exist at any moment if the people give him that power and he could be named Trump and he could be named Macron of France, or Putin of Russia, and so on.  It is a development that will fulfill its own prophecy and we must not assume he exists now until the price of history occurs unto which we all bow.

The second or the third antichrist was for Nostradamus a plain and simple truth for he saw the Holy Roman Empire as a squalid kingdom that could enforce any number of men as rulers to be the antichrist.  Henry the VIII, stirred Nostradamus into the villainy or proposing an unholy alliance between Rome and Petrograd, the Peter the Great of Russia who lived opulently in his castle on the western flank of the Russian Empire.  In conclusion, to believe what you state stretches the imagination of my own mind to the point I cannot even apply your secret to it since it appears to me to be utter nonsense and should be disabused right away if you or anyone who believes such things wishes to work for the Magisterial Mission shortly to appear.

Thank you for your post and I enjoyed the history lesson from your own Thought Adjuster who dictated most of this for me to you,  Good day, MidiChlorian.    -Ron Besser -

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"I saw Ron swallow hard for the subject of the antichrist was not part of John, my Apostle, or part of the Christian Church found by my Apostle Peter.  Nor does Ron recall it being important to the Lucifer Rebellion although Clarissa his Seraphic Escort saw to it the people feared Lucifer and Caligastia, so she did not have to fight or spend time keeping order when he appeared outside of Jerusem or approximately New York City which he loved to fool with for all sorts of reasons.

"The antichrist is important to the Baptists and certain Middle Eastern sects we do not mention here ever.  The Zoroastrians never believed in the antichrist until recently and even then they have it s o confused I do not see how it will become important to anyone except in the United States.  In the United States there are sects of the Baptist Church which will fight us to death, and I intend that they never see the light of day again regardless of the reason they put up a fight against the Paradise Sons who run the Magisterial Mission. Watch out for the Methodists.  They have made tumble after tumble lately over theological mistakes they never did get right, and Ron knows the ilk so well he will not go near them as they rant and appear quite stupid over their beliefs even about Scripture they know very well.  Be assured we have them all in view and we will bounce anyone who start preaching the antichrist rhetoric again as they did in the 19th century.  Here is Ann Rand.

ANN RAND (Author of Atlas Shrugged]
"I am Ann Rand, and I wrote the apocalyptic story Ron loves called "Atlas Shrugged," and he just told me what I like to hear: 'You sure got that right on, Ann!'  It is a story of a civilization that goes bust.  I wrote it in the early 1950's and I was sure we would fail as a civilization with what I saw running around and prophesying that the world would end in a nuclear holocaust and that the end of the world would be about ghosts of the past coming to rule America and America unable to defend itself against rapacious central authority and dive into deep recession to kill any sense of a rebirth of our Republic.  Now, Ron produces the funniest stuff I ever heard from a Harvard graduate, as he knows his subject and he knows through experience the horror being shot down so often he does not know which end is up.  However, it has taught him to apply logic to his work in ways seldom any of you attempt.  I work hard to do that too and sometimes he gets right beside me and I work it better when he thinks with me.  Regardless of his use or no use, be aware I see him a man of letters too someday, when he puts away his sense of humor and lets the truth dribble over his chin concerning t he government of the United States as fatefully over and done and that it must be raised by a divine hand to guide Urantia as it should be lead with fellow governments contributing to the legislation of the House and the Senate for sure.  In this way  we can easily see how Ron might consider Trump to be the last of bad Presidents, and to hope to elect people we can all respect, and to make the national President electable while making sure he or she has a divine personage sitting in the office with them.  The antichrist is always with us, and the antichrist is seriously done very soon, and Ron almost wrote done, 'in weeks!'   I sincerely hope so, and trust that Ron has some say in what is to be done shortly with the Magisterial Son, Serara, seriously consider him for a national office you all can be proud of.  I am Ann Rand.  Good bye my dears. AR."

Michael of Nebadon
"I seriously consider this entire post to be one of the best ever produced with Ron hearing it to copy it.  I hope some of you save it for future reference as it contains almost you ever need to refute the sayings of religionists who know no better than to repeat the parable of the ant: 'Give me liberty or give me fructose' - and that is Ron too as he loves sweets.  We give this guide a superior A for helping Ron type out of mindal sequence as he is having a terrible time typing due to a change in mind control we use to do this and it is hard to control at the moment.  Good day!"

Sentenact:
"Ron is our favorite boisterous man on Urantia, and that is because he hears it clearly and well and knows where we are going before we finish the lesson. When I use Alderfer we wait for the words to get down.  With Ron he hears it before we say almost and that is an extraordinary talent and must be used by all of you to get really good in transmitting.  And Rand said to me before we got started that Ron hs to be challenged somewhere and we said everywhere as she is unaware of the fight he must put up to even get his day started.  In any case the day is done here in York and we hope t he lesson delivered here on the antichrist is helpful to all of you and thank MidiChlorian in forcing it.  Good day.!"

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Ron, Michael and Sentenact, thanks for the lesson. I'm really sorry for the ugly state of religious concept of the Antichrist. I still believe the Bible has done more evil on Christians mindset. Therefore, I do not spread the Urantia Book content in Christian circles, they reject it as being devil-oriented. However, intellectuals really believe me and take my teachings to heart.

What a sad look, in the religious groups Michaels mentioned above, I will include the Jehovah's Witnesses, who already take me for an Antichrit-inspired! (Lol), what ashame! And my sufferings are not yet to end, but I've been trained to face the fact, I'm waiting for them, they will find a hard rock on their road.
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« ……Carcon of France, » - Macron, the newly elected president of France - just a correction.

Going by my own experiences with those religionists who stick only to the Bible, I have the gut feeling that we will have a hard time to make our way through their logic of “antichrist” if we don’t have concrete, tangible proofs that can sustain the merits of the Magisterial Missions. Domtia

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Clency, that was a bad brain stumble as I truly know his name. FYI I corrected the post and the name to fit the facts.  Thank you.  Ron
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Welcome into the furnace brother Clency, we gonna have our hands full! Very full!
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Hello to you all.  I would just like to say that I never thought of the Anti-Christ as being a person.  Simply anyone who denies the
existance and the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Collecively we are all capable of creating our own versions of an anti.christ and feeding it with our own predjudices.
This is how we all create our personal belief systems. But in time, thank God, we come to realize that it is all ego orchestrated and 
that we can turn inward to receive a true belief system. Hence a sign of  success for our Thought Adjusters.

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Very well spoken Lemuel.  The antichrist, if we take the definition of the antichrist as one who does evil trying to do good and deflect the punch of good attempting to do right, then any of us qualifies as antichrist.  You speak of what I have thought about for years with the Urantia Book readership under the so-called benevolence of a Urantia Foundation that feels it knows more than God and directs the explanations of the fifth epochal revelation as to meaning and intent their way, and not, surely, as God would direct it.  Of course this presupposes I know what I am talking about too, and truly admit I do not always know well enough to warn all against a surreptitious Chicago Foundation of well appearing Trustees who cannot get it right most of the time.  Thanks for your comments.  ron
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There are two elements in the world dividing people : politic (a way of governing) and religion (a method of knowing God); the two have failed miserably. There is a famous wording from Karl Marx, the founder of communism, who said: “Religion is the opiate of the masses”, but what he missed in his statement is that “fanaticism” is the poison of religion.

In my own opinion, arguing with those fanatic religionists by promoting only the UB is a waste of time; it does not work. We must find a better way to beat them on their own playground not by attempting to proselytize or what so ever, but to introduce the Magisterial Mission as a real deal to the problems of the world and that it is not one more religion.

With such an approach, without discrediting their own belief system, will nullify their erroneous idea of “antichrist”. Domtia

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First of all, my gratitude Michael, Sentenact  Ann Rand, and Ron, for this  messaging and  the beginning of putting the final nail in the coffin of the notion of the antichrist in the ways that they are used in the world today.  Churches and religions all across Urantia have been setting themselves up for this proposed battle for centuries. Unfortunately I believe that it is the worlds religions in all of their fractions, divisions, and dogmas, doctrines and inability to accept anything that does not correspond to their beliefs that will be their ultimate downfall. And there is nothing more dangerous than a fanatic!   I think that the world's established organized  religions and even some Urantia Book readers  through misunderstood  and misrepresented doctrines will turn out to  be the most violent, resistive in abject denial,and  dangerous in accepting the validity, truth, and reality of what is about to occur on Urantia with the beginning of the Missions.  Ron certainly has been, as I understand it,  on the receiving end of this fanaticism for decades, as  a few of us here have tasted and experienced this bitter pill a few times in recent months.   I truly hope and pray that I am wrong in this belief and opinion.  How sad and pathetic it is that the very churches established in the name  and to the work of the Father are the very ones that will once again reject Him!

This is a very serious thread and one that we need to prepare for, take time to give our utmost attention, and face with as much wisdom and clarity as we can muster in the initial days, weeks and months ahead.

Again my thanks for this......
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Clency, your observation is very very good.
You hit the nail on the head when you point out that one cannot supplement one religion for another.  In other words one cannot circumscribe a Protestant or a Catholic with the Urantia Book, and expect the masses to do the same. Rather the masses will cling to what they know and ignore work they feel they do not have to do to understand a new religion or one that modifies their own religion as a Catholic or Protestant.   In effect, this is what you said in your remarks above.

However, you and I have managed to do that-- we supplement our birth religion with the fifth epochal revelation.  What did we do differently than the masses are willing to do?

The answer lies with our Thought Adjusters, Clency, and your Adjuster and my Adjuster sought to imprve the birth record of each of us and to avoid the confusion of most people who will not change for any price.

The Urantia Foundation in Chicago, however, proposes that the fifth epochal revelation is without precedence and must be shepherded through a century of turmoil to be understood, when that is not the issue ever!  Kindly note I used an explanation mark to make my point, and that is because we have readers who want to make the change to a new religion but find it so difficult to understand they must wait for the masses to do it too, they often just  fade back into the woodwork and never be heard from again on Urantia.  That is why the Urantia Foundation has to be reconstructed with better working ideas and why we have to let them fail on their own merits which really do not exist in a world dominated by so many prigs we can no longer afford to keep them living on Urantia anymore.

I further like your view that the masses wait but are delivered nothing they can use, all the while you and I use what has been delivered because we know the difference between a silk purse versus a sow's ear.  thank you for your excellent post.  Ron

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By the way, Ron in his post stated:
....." However, I know very well that what we face in a few weeks will include defending ourselves from eschatological demands that the Magisterial Mission, our Paradise sons Serara and Monjoronson, and perhaps Jesus himself, will fall victim to the frenzy of hate certain churches insist must be shown to any change concerning the Return of Jesus or for reasons unstated concerning the work of the Magisterial Mission."
I had to look up "Eschatology


For anyone else interested here is the definition:

Eschatology | Definition of Eschatology





2 : a belief concerning death, the end of the world, or the ultimate destiny of humankind; specifically : any of various Christian doctrines concerning the Second Coming, the resurrection of the dead, or the Last Judgment.

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Hello and good morning Larry,
I had to do the same thing when I saw the word.  I grabbed my phone and googled it right away.  I remember back when I first got my UB and I had to have a dictionary in my brief case as I read.  But even some of those words were not in the dictionary.

I found Ron's message so relevant to the way people are now getting into a mass mentality almost like in old westerns when they stormed the jails as they developed a mob mentality where all they could think of was hanging someone.  And I am sure that many of them were what we would call God fearing family men.  But when hysteria raises it's ugly head a monster is created that no MAN can control. 

 Take for instance that man who singled out the Republicans as a target for his frustration and hate.  And he is just one man.  When we, as party affiliates, whether in politics or religion, can no longer use our minds to shift through all of the rhetoric and sophistry, then we use belligerence as our last resort to get our point across.  So we truly need to do like our Celestial family has warned us about so many times when they told us to be like the fox and also to keep our powder dry, ect, ect, ect.

I will do as recommended and copy Ron's missive for my records as it is so full of good advice and information.

Times are changing my friends.  
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This is an interesting and very thought provoking topic.  To me, much like Lemuel, the antichrist is anyone who opposes Jesus Christ, and all men have the potential to do so if that is their will.  The interesting thing is not the potential exists but more in how that potential actually manifests itself, especially in those who are self professed Christians.  So many in the world have confused science, philosophy, and religion, and some have tried to turn religion into a science and a philosophy with the rituals (formulas) for behaviour in order to find salvation.  That has engendered many a generation that are mentally indolent and prefer the lazy approach rather than challenging themselves while keeping open minds and seeing where that will lead.  It is so much easier to listen, accept, and follow a prescribed prosaic doctrine than to seek to understand the meaning and the value, the idea and the ideal.  The Father has blessed us all with a mind, and so few choose to really exercise and use it.  
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Thank You Ron, Michael, and Sentenact

I am so glad to hear all the people that are posting on this subject understand what the term ( aint christ ) means and I loved the clarification that Ron has put forward. I have always believed that this term was and is widely misunderstood by the main stream religions on this planet and when I use it I am probably misunderstood as well. I have always believed there may appear on this planet or already has appeared a mortal with great power that has such disdain for Jesus's teaching and the ideals he tried to teach. And in doing so gives rise to an ideal of hate that has no place in The Kingdom of God but many people embrace him because of ignorance. This is where I interchange the idea of anti ( against ) christ ( Jesus ). Many people in this country say they are Christians and love Jesus but exude hate for there fellow mortals. And this is plainly wrong. I am forever on the watch for people    ( and ideals ) like this as they have the power to disrupt the MM and we all need to know who we are dealing with in the upcoming transition.
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Egregors .. Egregors.. so many negative Egregors to fuel it! What a mess..
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    It is interesting that the baptists and the methodists are mentioned when the talk about the enigmatic antichrist character comes in view. It is only a word game that I see in Nostradamus' predictions about the 3rd antichrist  he calls 'mabus'. But I'll get to the point with the risk of letting the cat out of the proverbial bag..

  If Methodists and Baptists unite themselves against the Magisterial Mission unfolding before our eyes, they can very well elect a representative, a leader to be this 'antichrist' that would eventually fight the MM. And because it could very well be in the US, as mentioned above.. there I come to my point in deciphering the meaning of 'mabus'.

MABUS: Methodists And Baptists -U.S.

PS: Further if I do this in French it amounts to the same meaning:


MABUS: Methodistes Avec(with) Baptistes U.S.



    In a word, the 'mabus' would be the person and/or the conjoined efforts of the Methodists and the Baptists in the U.S. to disrupt, fight and damage the real Christ Jesus, the MM, Monjoronson and all concerned with the Urantia Book teachings and revelations, including this forum.

    This is just a speculative essay on my part.. hence I can be wrong indeed.. nevertheless I think, on a positive note, that my input here about the supposed antichrist would raise the shields up if 'mabus' is what I think it would be -as I said above.


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