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JESUS AS DEITY - NEW REVELATION AND COUNSEL 082117
« on: August 21, 2017, 10:13:06 PM »

August 21, 2017
York PA at 20:50 local time
Jesus as Deity

“This is Jesus.

“I asked Ron today to fulfill a prophecy for me, and that was to become one of the Deities if I ever could be good enough, as raw material, to ascend to that level.  Ron looks at the request as entirely serious, and while he cannot do ascension to such as he is or ever could, he wonders what it is like to be a Deity and to have awesome responsibilities, the likes a Finaliter has never ascended to yet, except for me!

“In many ways Ron and I share a very good way to talk, as he is crazy and I am non committal to ideas he has but never presses because he is in awe of me as well and never wishes to offend my sense of probity.  Not even now when he smiles at these words as I write them for you to read,

“I state the following for you as you must know this when you stand before me someday on earth:

“1) The Father in creating me as a Finaliter, and as the only one in my class, entered into the creation of me as a Finaliter, and created me in the likeness of a Creator Son.  Michael learned of this and joined me on Paradise as we wept together at the honor.

“2) Now I can be but I do not accept being a Creator Son; that is, until I am done on Urantia and may return to Paradise and finish teaching my Transcendentlers who number fifty today and may number a million when this gets out to them.  In my first year as a teacher to the Transcendentlers we spoke of Urantia frequently as the place I was born and where I would return to show myself again someday.  That day suddenly came again and we were all unprepared to take it on.  The Magisterial Son Serara asked me on Paradise if I could waylay it a little longer as he prepared for the Magisterial Mission on Urantia.  I said I could, and that was over one hundred fifty years ago from 2017, today.

“3) As I am now Deity, Ron asked a very difficult question of me: May we now worship you?  The answer is yes, but I prefer, still, adoration, and that the Father is truly the only one worthy of worship.  Good, as that ends my dissertation now before you.  Michael, my chief and my mentor, now speaks for me and others waiting to speak on these awesome times I now assume shortly, first on Urantia, then on Uversa, and then on Paradise to finish my teaching missions there.”


Ron Besser here - there was an abrupt end to the interview at this point which I understand is His way now to speak or not to speak as becoming sub-infinite Deity (in the sense a Creator Son is but Creator Sons have famous Infinity attributes rarely spoken to and I assume Jesus has these too now.), and that Jesus intends to appear as the first Deity, other than bestowal Sons of Creator Sons, to appear in an incarnation on a material planet after they already bestowed themselves twice before (that is on earth and the mansion worls of this earth.)

“I as Ron Besser am not a know it all on the subject of Jesus– hardly– but Jesus has shared with me the death of his own Father and how he felt and how cruel the king was to shove his tools out the door so Jesus, when he went to collect them, had to pull them out form under the partially collapsed wall his father died under.  In recollecting that story to me many months ago, he asked me not to publish it ever yet my Thought Adjuster insists I at least tell you the reader of that fateful days as a lad of fourteen that he was ready to render the king’s death if he could find him.  His father, Joseph, was allowed to linger at the scene for a day and to watch the men attempt to resuscitate Joseph, but the brain hemorrhage was too great to stanch the blood from pooling in his frontal lobes and he died of suffocation of the brain stem without oxygen for too long to bring him back.  Joseph had one broken bone and that was in the pelvis area, and one small ligament was torn you would call a hernia today as he tried to grab something to hold him up as the wall started to fall.  The wall was an inner wall of the proposed castle and it was not grounded properly yet with mortar, but it was too high to not topple when anyone touched it at its top and Joseph unfortunately drew the lot to work there that day.   Things happen like this all day long on Urantia and people die all day long for such careless usages of gravity that befell Joseph.

“In telling me this story I heard his heart and soul as few do, and I could not help cry for him as it felt to me as thought I was Jesus and felt the hurt I would feel when my father died and his memory crushed by the stink of a man who hated anyone not for him or with him at the moment he felt anything.  Now here is Jesus to explain why he let me tell this story now:”

JESUS - “I relented enough to let the Adjuster prompt Ron’s memory to tell this story as Ron feels that pain for his own father who no one remembers now but he does and has a half oil painting incomplete done by the master who murdered a neighbor over a spell supposed cast in Rheymyer’s Hollow in the 1920's.  the portrait is stained with dust but it cannot be seen because the painter refused to shellac it and it stands as it was on the easel the day it left his care.  I tell this part too, as Ron feels the callousness of his brother and family over what they went through with each other in the growing up years for Ron, and he never mentions it, but he considered his father famous most of the time because he formed community programs that benefited all in that part of Pennsylvania.  No one remembers Ron either as he feels he has no reason to form alliances like that unless they have import beyond his own community.  I felt the same as Jesus that day when I looked down and saw my father’s precious tools scuffed under the trash of a fallen wall, and to this day I say to Joseph, I would have wrung the king’s neck and enjoyed an unjust execution of a king who felt no mercy or wish no one well when tragic fell on them as happened to me that day.

“I see Ron concentrate on his spelling and careful writing to keep errors popping up as a keyboard is dumb until the human mind comes along and liberates the letters into words of thought.  In this case I am working hard to keep it going for him as I have a control box that allows the finger dexterity to move on the keyboard without much though on Ron’s part.  To Ron it is miraculous when we use this device on him and some day maybe Alderfer and others of you will get to use it too.

“The point I make to all of you is that Ron must deal with life as a human and I do not have to anymore but it costs me a father, my children I would have loved to have myself, and my wife I never met in marital bliss, and yet like Ron, I see the difference well. 

“In looking at this development where the Father has embraced me so that I may stand with Michael (and never be equal to his prowess as well) but understand I am not his equal or are few Creator Sons to be so done in all of Orvonton.  Jesus as the son of man was crushed by rebellion and harmed by political adversaries badly to the point of death on a cross.  That never leaves you Ron until I am relieved of it too.  However, let this reside in your bosom to those of you who follow me already: ‘Give unto Caesar what is his regardless of how unfair it is, and then rejoice when the race is run in the flesh, as you have taken away nothing but the Heart of God to Heaven.

“As Jesus I tell you all this: Be aware that Ron is already a candidate to be a Might Messenger and he may be already able to take the name Charles if he does not mind a fight with the Mighty Messenger who alredy owns it.  In any case he stands ready to fight for me and all who come with me as all of you should when the time comes.  I speak now about the Magisterial Mission in spiritual union with Serara and Monjoronson.”


SERARA; JESUS; MONJORONSON Speaking is Spirit Unity in one circuit to me:

“We collectively speak now to show the harmony we hold for Ron, for all of you who support us, and for those Guests who do so themselves and must hide for reasons of State.  We know who the Guests are and applaud you for your bravery as it is.  Be assured dear Guests you will be free to join the forum shortly as yourselves.

“In declaring all of this to you, we sign that the keyboard is not being in use as Ron finds the errors multiplying, but he is well trained enough to overcome the problem easily.  In doing this work which is to bring Urantia back into the family of planets, we see the need to proceed with clarity and some difficulty since the planet is so backward spiritually.  Sue whiley sees it daily with her work force, and Ron sees it with his neighbors who refuse to cooperate with other neighbors in keeping up their properties.  None of this would happen if they were spiritualized and that is not possible in this day and age.  Therefore the trip to York by Machiventa Melchizedek and Mantutia Melchizedek is without trial for now but in the future rather impossible as the house is watched for the coming and going of celestial fragrances that visit it for reasons of State.  Good, and this is our final statement to all here tonight:

“Ron feel badly ill today because of an article in his heart that refuses to bleed to his veins at the rule of Uversa and he could not get enough blood into his veins to finish his work while he collapsed and slept briefly.  This must end and we have paused to ask the Father to relent as soon as possible and he has done so Ron.  Tomorrow is one fine day as passed on to you tonight.  And to the readership of these messages we guarantee that the end is in sight to hide your affiliation and your need to express what is in your hearts for years now as we prepare to go live before your eyes!  Good day,”

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Re: JESUS AS DEITY - NEW REVELATION AND COUNSEL 082117
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2017, 11:15:37 PM »
Well I can smile from ear to ear! I so relate to the sentiments felt here and well understand the safety issues in a workplace, any workplace for that matter!  And how ignorant some can be when it comes to the crunch of the well being, safety and compassionate thought for others on a daily basis which I am very conscious of. Thank you for being so considerate.

I am so happy for you Jesus on your new status and this is very interesting indeed as to how this will be for future status of finaliters of your calibre.  In reading those Papers (104,105,106) it comes as no surprise to see that so much more can be when we are working well with our Universe Fathers.  I am just as appalled at how badly the working conditions were for Joseph and how far we have come these days in compensating those who still fall under by human error or happenstance.  I even have family members who have fallen and broken their bones and whatnot and I so learn from them to be ever so careful.

Thank you for sharing this astonishing news Ron and may I congratulate Jesus on his new role and may all this goes well in with our Magisterial Sons, Serara and Monjoronson.

Namaste and Ahroom!

My prayers and joy be with you all!

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Re: JESUS AS DEITY - NEW REVELATION AND COUNSEL 082117
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2017, 11:53:17 PM »
It is, in my honest opinion, a good choice that has been made for Ron. He is as true and honest a man as I have known and he will do the Mighty Messenger position with his usual upbeat attitude even when things are painful as they are now. I pray for his healing in this fusion and I hope he can see how much he is an inspiration to all who know him. I knew when my wife and I drove to his home there in York that he was a kind person and intelligent as well. We enjoyed him immensely and hope to see him again soon! Hang in there Ron! And thank you Jesus for your messages to us as well. You are showing us your sense of humor and yet, the sadness over your Father's demise is so very human and it makes me sad as well. You have really walked a mile in our shoes, as the song says. I will leave it at that for now. I have a lot that I could say and ask you, but it would take an encyclopedia to hold it all!

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 08:47:36 AM »
It is a privilege to be part of the restricted circle of seraraforum students who have access to this info. Congratulations dear new Deity Jesus for your hard work achievement. You did not sleep on our laurels and even so you keep teaching your Transcendenter students. Congratulations to you too Ron for becoming a Mighty Messenger. There are things I would like to say about the Mighty Messengers, I once posted that in a vision I was with a Celestial in a canoe on a very calm river and he was both paddling and teaching me on a plasma screen and he said: "We are training you to become Mighty Messengers... "

Machiventa confirmed this and called this 'Night School'.
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Re: JESUS AS DEITY - NEW REVELATION AND COUNSEL 082117
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2017, 07:34:53 AM »
Additional Revelation concerning this thread.

We are back on track and the off subject posts were removed and the path restored concerning the Deification of Jesus.

What follows next is also posted on another thread bound by this Category, but it really belongs here as part of the explanation as to how the Father prepares the universe for the Bestowal Son Jesus then on earth we call Urantia these days, to be a model of future Bestowal Sons who must become more than just a Finaliter once they serve as a Bestowal Son to arrange for the Sovereignty of their own Local Universes.

This announcement is too important to let fly and be dropped by inserting posts on other subjects, and I have moved them to arrange for a direct statement by the Universe Father concerning what is in this post as well.  I will place the Father's direct comments in another thread to emphasize his view point although it would do very well here too.  In any case, here is a revelatory post on what Jesus went through when he died on the cross and was finally recognized by the universe for his service and to erase the horror of his departure from Urantia as an assassinated divinity that had never happened before or since the death of Jesus.

HOW I REMEMBER DYING AND WHAT HAPPENED NEXT [FROM JESUS HIMSELF]
(Jesus answers an inquiry by member Esther whose questions are in dark blue following)

Esther writes:
I prefer to ask by personal message to Ron B or any other member, but today I'll ask  ;  Was another TA was assigned to Jesus in order to be able to be a Finaliter? After reading Jesus Life in the UB, years ago,my understanding was that Jesus was Michael and after Michael returned to Nebadon as a Master Son, his experiences as Jesus are part of his personality and because his TA was personalized, Jesus was not fused with his Adjuster.

Ron here: There is a profound misunderstanding about the status of Jesus after his death.  I have answered this several times in the past three years, but so many either see little point in getting the point or it is useless knowledge to them.  You Esther I hope retains this to understand the status of Jesus after his death on Urantia on the cross.   Jesus died and his soul was resurrected on mansion world four.  His death was a cremation on earth by the Archangels in the tomb so the remains were not despoiled by the Romans and the those who despised Jesus in the Court of Herod.  The people never understood who Jesus was and he let that die with him on the cross.   On mansion world four he was met by a representative of the Father, who blessed him and gave him passage to Paradise.  Michael of Nebadon was dispatched to Salvington to contemplate the death of the Bestowal Son on his own and waited for the Father to reprove him or praise him-- what ever the Father intended to do.

In about a year after his death on the cross, his soul was moved to Salvington and there he received the ceremony of adjudication of his soul to be fused, not with Sananda, but with a fellow Jerusemite, the Mansion World Capital sphere, with an unnamed Thought Adjuster now known to the universe as Sananda the First.  The Sananda we now speak to is the one who indwelt Jesus in his earth life but the Sananda the First was brought from Paradise and replicated the work of his original Adjuster and it is with this Adjuster Jesus fused.

I pause for you to catch up.

The fusion ceremony on Salvington was witnessed by Joseph, his earthly father, by his mother Mary, and two of his sisters who were then on the mansion worlds at that time.  Further the fusion ceremony was dictated to Jesus to speak as he was re-indwelt on Mansion World Four, and the released to his Adjuster to complete the Mansion Worlds, which he did in 6 months of Urantia time and was morontially perfected on Jerusem where he spent six more months (Urantia time) as a citizen.  he did not then go to Edentia as it was unnecessary, and then was asked to go to Salvington by Adjuster transit and receive the anointment by Michael before the Great Wall of God you have never been told about that surrounds the compound of the Home of Michael of Nebadon, and by replication, the Home of the Creative Spirit.  In that wilderness of fire and ice that surrounds the compounds, the Father presented Michael the award no other Creator Son or Creative Daughter have ever received before, and you will see the fire on the Great Wall of spirit power and the ice of retribution for all who would attempt to enter it, should you just be touring.  If you are invited to come in as all those who are invited who arrive there by Adjuster transit, you will enter by the gate at the south side and therby be escorted to the chamber uses to receive those who fuse on earth.

Jesus enter by the south gate and when he did the Father opened the secret portal Michael uses to enter his own compound and make for the nursery where all children reside until fourteen years of age.  Jesus entered and sat down beside his mother Mary and father Joseph and wept morontial tears and let it be for a generation, and was transported to Uversa thereafter and stood before the Ancients of Days, and spoke in presence to the Ancients of Days as his fused Adjuster bade him to speak.

After thirty years of Urantia time, Jesus was escorted to Paradise and made his way to the High Temple, not described in your Urantia Book, and was said to have given himself to God entirely.  He did so without cause and without fear and said so in his spoken breath in prayer in the High Temple to the Father.  it is the original Temple made in morontial materials brought to earth for any new divine Mission where the Temple is not yet present.   Urantia has its temple built but it is not evident yet and will reside in York on what will be called the Temple Mount.  When the Father called Jesus to rise, the Father asked him to abide with Him momentarily, and when Jesus did so, the Father poured out his scope of power upon his form, and Jesus was instantly changed beforre the Father as a Finaliter, replete with essayed soul and deeply worn tears for the moment, and then was moved to the inner sanctum where all Finaliters go after taking the Oat of Service to the Trinity.

I now switch voices so you may hear Jesus as to what he heard and saw in the Chamber of Rest all go to after taking the Trinity Oath to service.

I am Jesus and I now compare this writing to that of the Bible.

"In my day as a Rabbi unto the word of God, I sat before the Father in our own Temple in Jerusalem in the country of Israel.  Therein I thought about all I had to do and when I decided I had to do them all, I let out a yell no one could hear but the Universal Father and His keeper, the Jerusalem Rabbi known as Penteforte.  Penteforte knew me not, but I said unto him, 'be of good cheer Penteforte,' and he was forsworn never to repeat what he heard.  This was my introduction to God as a real person and to God as my keeper and as a God of my devotion.  Penteforte said to me: 'Be of good cheer,' and I responded the same, and went out into the sunlight of that day and never looked back.  I was twelve years old that day on August 23, of your calendar today.  My friends on Salvington have corrected this date to the true Urantia calendar to the twenty-second of August of four BC (04BC or 04BCE according to your taste).  Now it comes to mind that I had only 12 years to speak to, but I knew in my heart that Jesus was divine and that my twelve years of experience at that time was not divine but human.  I knew this.  I let it go happily.

"I keep this secret until now as no one, not even the keepers of the records that released my story to all of you as Part IV of the Fifth Epochal Revelation. know to most readers as The Urantia Book.l  Now I must reveal one more secret from the crypt they placed me in, and that was I had died on the cross but I have a dim memory of being placed in Jacob's Tomb, and I wept my self to sleep that moment and died in the arms of Gabriel, my chief heart keeper.  Gabriel acknowledges this to all of you now and speaks as follows:

Gabriel of Nebadon and Salvington, its Capital -  "I speak at length in the new Urantia Book coming to all of you soon enough and I speak to all except Ron, who understands the length of time it takes from death to salvation, and to him alone you my friend will die with me at your side as you are the last of the people on earth we trust to handle the sacred temple with Jesus and that is to follow you forever more as the ward of Jesus Christ and his mentor too, Mantutia Melchizedek.  In these things you must be caring not to mention this again, and I will delete this portion from the record so it is new and sacred even to you then Ron.  I completed my service to Jesus that day itself and declared the fourth epochal dispensation to reign upon Urantia until it was finished on May 31st, 2017 and this is different than your record holds Ron but is the correct one.  I conclude this record for Jesus by telling your questioner, that he did not receive another Adjuster but received a replication of Sananda, never done before or will never be done again, and Jesus survives his Adjuster prefusion by only minutes between his fusion and the record showing the fusion took place about one minute later after receiving the Adjuster on Salvington before Michael of Nebadon. As Gabriel of Salvington, I take full responsibility of moving this narrative to the universe records on Salvington minus typographical errors by Ron."

Jesus - "I only need narrate the following to complete the answer.  When I was assigned by my Father to teach the Transcendentalers, i was greeted by my host to teach them as Pre'mptor, and Adjuster by that name already on Paradise awaiting my presence to speak and to tell me that I was to become a Creator Son.  I dared not think that as I am like Ron as I am happy to accept my gender and my order of creation.  We are giving you a short version of what happened on Uversa before this to set this grant to begin but sufficient to say, the Father, in forming me as a Finaliter, introduced Himself into my heart and my mind and as His forum too, to become a Creator Son whenever Michael vacated Neabdon, and I may be asked to render Neabdon as my place to rule Justice and Spirit Flavor to all of the Neabdon creation.  I cease my explanation now."


Esther - "Because the Bestowal of  a Creator Son is a secret of  Sonarington, I never expected to understand it, but feel that Jesus is Michael,the Creator Son  and the Son of Man and for ever will be One with the Father and the Eternal Son."


Ron - Esther you have considerable confusion on this matter.  Jesus was human and died with a soul.  He did not die as Michael as the Creator Son detached when Jesus breathed his last.  furthermore the Eternal son had nothing to do with the death of Jesus except to mourn him as a human who was assassinated when preserving the faith and keep of his Paradise Father.  disabuse yourself of these dreams you put there by your own imagination and please read the new Urantia Book on this subject when it becomes available.


Esther: The second question is;   When Michael bestowed himself as Jesus, was his personality different than Jesus, in other words was Jesus one personality and Michael a different one? For the  duration of each of the 7 bestowals Michael was absent from Salvington. Paper 120.4.3 tells us, Jesus was God and man — always and forevermore".   And continue saying this God and man were and  now are One.  

Ron - This is even a greater mistake Esther.  God and man are never one.  Man is the lowest of the low created by God, and God is the perfection of the highest spirit known to the universe.  They never mix the two in spite of the work of Jesus.  Jesus is one with the Father and that is true whoever fuses with the spirit of Father.  That does not make the human perfect buy fiat, but it sets the stage for human perfection where the Father provides for service to the fused one a Finaliter of perfect human status and for the Paradise Trinity.  Jesus had his own personality and Michael always Creator Son personality, and the Adjuster fuses with the soul of a man and takes his personality for Himself.  Jesus is Father Fused and preempts all creation by becoming another (not the same as Christ Michael) Creator Son who will serve differently from Michael of Nebadon.  I suspect you need some real hard study to realize that Michael is not Jesus ever, but bestowed himself as Jesus to complete his spirit work on Salvington and for the Paradise Father who then gave Michael full sovereignty to Michael of Nebadon.

 
Thanks for your help.       esther
Thank you Esther for your questions.  -Jesus-

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Re: JESUS AS DEITY - NEW REVELATION AND COUNSEL 082117
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2017, 07:59:49 AM »
On several occasions I have wanted to ask for clarifications between Christ Michael and Jesus. It looks a little bit as if Jesus were a 'clone' to Christ Michael. They have something in common as Michael Aton indwelt Jesus and left when Jesus died. Today is a blessed day and I thank Ron, Gabriel and Jesus for this explanation. In other words, both Michael and Jesus are One in terms of going about Father's Business, but they are different personalities, as while Christ Michael resides on Salvington and goes about His Business at His HQs on Salvington, Jesus is teaching Transcendentalers on Paradise.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2017, 09:50:21 AM »
Through Esther's courage to ask her questions, which brings this thread back to it's initial purpose, we have now been given some of the most astoundingly profound revelations ever given to mankind concerning not only the Announcement of the Deification of Jesus but also a rare rare revelation from Jesus Himself and Gabriel, never before given to anyone concerning the events that occurred from the time during and after his assassination and consequent arrival on mansion world  four and beyond.

This is an amazing account that we are being given as to all that transpired and no doubt brings tears to many of us here as we read of all of this.   As Ron stated, there is great misunderstanding of what happened  and with these new and incredible revelations our  understanding  can better be realized as these concepts are oft times difficult for our human minds to fully grasp and to completely  understand even though they have been discussed repeatedly but never in such detail and clarity.

These revelations include so much new information:.....the fusion ceremony,  the Great Wall, surrounded by fire and ice, the High Temple to be called  The Temple Mount and it's eventual home in York (and this has been mentioned to us several times), this "replication" of Sananda, the mention and incident with Penteforte, just to mention  just a few of the profound revelations given in this  truly remarkable series of revelations.   I am, as many of all of us are,  in  wondrous awe of these revelations.

A few days ago Michael mentioned in a reception  about the "Recognition of Breakthroughs" and this, my dear family, is one of those breakthroughs that brings us to new levels and heights towards our understanding, that has been long in coming, at least for me....Thank you all.

My deepest and most sincere gratitude to Michael, Jesus, Gabriel, and of course our Ron for  these unprecedented  revelations   .LarryG
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Re: JESUS AS DEITY - NEW REVELATION AND COUNSEL 082117
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2017, 08:03:53 PM »
Thank you Ron for sharing these astounding news and congratulations Jesus on becoming a Creator Son.
I'd like also to thank Esther for asking these questions as Ron's answers helped me to grasp the differentiation of Michael of Nebadon from Jesus after his resurrection/ascension.
Is it correct to assume that Jesus will be a Creator Son in a local universe in the Outer Space Zone 1?
And if so, who is the Creator Mother Spirit (unless this is censored for now), who will be co-creating with Jesus in OSZ1?
Is Jesus going to be a Creator Son of the Order of Michael?
I also remember from early transmissions indicating that some of us are destined to an adventure to the OSZ1.
How is this dispatch to the OSZ1 going to affect our ascent to Paradise? To put it differently, is it going to postpone it?
I heartily appreciate answers if they're available and not censored for reasons of state.
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