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Hi Occerpa.  You are correct all accounts have to be approved by me and I do the best I can without knowing either the credentials of the member applicant or what his or her intentions are.  Normally that is fine and we get some really nice new members through that process.  It is only when aberrant behavior develops do I begin to understand that the motivation of a new member is not for education or to have a discussion, but when they show they are here more to disrupt the membership on the forum in a way that would quickly dissolve the forum for any good use again, I generally remove them.  This time he removed himself by going to his own account and deleting it.  You can tell when that happens when suddenly the name in past posts shows them as a GUEST only.  That is what Silva did.

Now I had no idea what he really was complaining about other than he just spewed untruthful gibberish.  He then committed suicide and deleted his account.  My question was directed to you since you responded to him well and that made me think you saw reasons better than I did for his recent behavior.  I am at sea over this and have ended any concern by accepting he left on his on accord now and I am happy he did.  Thanks for your post. 
Ron -

"Occerpa you must be more caring when you respond to a new member as he took your response better than Ron responded, as both of you missed the point he was claiming to be Jesus, and that he resented Ron speaking as though he knew Jesus, which he does.  The truth of the matter is you are in your cups sometimes and it shows in your writing.  Ron just ignores that part of your response and knows you have a problem of clarity sometimes because of your enjoyment.  You are a respected member of this forum and I hope you understand Ron looks to you for thought he cannot get anywhere else.  This is Michael and you are soon to find yourself up a tree on some other issues around you and we  wish you well to handle them for yourself.  Good Day.  Michael of Nebadon."


General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« on: Today at 01:00:17 AM »
JANUARY 16, 2018

The purpose of a Contact Commission is to set itself up to receive revelation from the Local Universe of Nebadon.

Establishing A Salvington Contact Commission in Spirit to Direct York
It was confirmed today that our work is to do that exactly again, and that we represent three individuals who are concurrent with another Contact Commission that meets on Salvington when we do. 

Today Salvington’s Urantia Contact Commission on high met and adopted two measures that support our work as Contact Commissioners:

1 = No more Contact Commission members will be assigned for now to the present three member Commission ow meeting in York;

2 - That Ron Besser was unanimously selected to head the present Contact Commission and no further changes for a year will be made either to the number on this Contact Commission or is the status of this board to change at present.

Executive Committee idea Rescinded and Revived Differently
Fully deployed, the present Contact Commission is to destroy nothing of the present corporation set ups to run Missions on Urantia, and that the Contact Commission is being reviewed to organize an Executive Committee to act like the Sadler Forum in the 1930's and 1940's.  We now rescind the idea of forming an Executive Committee from list members due to the list members being so far distant for weekly meetings which is now mandated for us to do when the Executive Committee if formed and running.  More on this later these coming months as we wish the Committee to have these members on the forum due to the fact they are experienced and meet the qualifications well, but the airfare is too much to keep moving them around to York and back to Australia and so on.

Confidential or Secret Plans Examined
We were advised of timing schedules that approximate what the Magisterial Mission dates to being in full view of the people on Urantia would be.

Security issues were discussed.  Assignments to the Contact Commission were considered.

Ron made several statements to questions from Trinity Embraced entities over his views on morality and how he would handle certain problems if he suddenly had to deal with them.  The Trinity entities proposed several different scenarios and asked him what he would do and why.

AT one point the Universal Father intervened and spoke to all three Commissioners that they had to consider, once as they began taking revelation for publication the end of 2019 (Periodic Revelation), that family had to come second and the demands of time was to the Trinity and to the Staff of Michael of Nebadon. 

If I may speak for all three of we Commissioners, we all agreed that the time table to provide what the universe wanted in epochal revelation and periodic revelation, it was so tight, we would have volunteered that priority to the universe even without them stating it had to be done.

This second day of meetings was not difficult but quite busy with various entities coming in to question how we viewed our work and to what degree we felt we were fully partnered with the Second Revelatory Committee and the Salvington Creator Son and Creative Spirit to accomplish this once the Papers are underway.

Here is Michael of Nebadon to speak directly on his view of today’s meeting:

“You all would have been proud of them as they fully embraced the work we presented to the Commission.  We reminded the Commission that it had so much work to do that moving to York was absolutely essential to meet several times a week to begin plans for publication of revelation and other documents that remain secret to this moment.

“Further, Ron received benediction from the Paradise Father as to the importance of being well enough to see this entire project through.  Salvington promised to get on it again.  Further more, Steven Gitz was reminded he had to make a move soon to York in order to bring the organized center of an executive committee with him in some form.

“Ron was asked to dictate a one half hour tape to future executive committee members who never hear of the idea of transmitting and producing written text in this method.  Ron and Larry Gossett were deemed ready to go with dictation status and Steven needs some prepping to take long dictations at this time.

“We concluded the meeting around 6PM York local time and the third day of meetings is to being regular time at 10 am Thursday morning York time. Michael.”

“I am of the Paradise Trinity, and I did not speak this time since was on patrol duty in the Local Universe.  That is done to see to the suffering children on Urantia that we must take care of almost immediately.  Ron indicate he would adopt if it became necessary, and some of you may be asked to do so yourselves if it develops there are so many children in want we cannot take care of them all by ourselves.  Further we are reminded all that morality and justice must precede any adoption and we look to Ron to lead the way if this scenario develops as it looks as though it may because of the way these Missions are going to be handled by Uversa and Edentia and Salvington.  They are shaping up to be not hasty but harsh and you all need to remind yourselves that the trial that comes very soon is not all the fault of the universe.  I am Margul and I thank you all for listening. Margul.”


According to my software dashboard, Silva removed his account.

Occerpa if you understand this character please tell me about him as he had promise but blew a gasket and disappeared in a cloud of white smoke.   I hardly understand people like this as he was welcomed and invited to participate in a discussion.  Silva if you are lurking now, there is no chance coming back until your get a new gasket.

Thanks for your reply Occerpa and I question a little more than you do, but I see Silva is quite a thinker.  And to you Silva, first welcome aboard, and second:  you are quite familiar, I see,  with the fifth epochal revelation and that is by judging your vocabulary in your first post to this forum.

Silva, I ask you, why did you post this in the US Dollar category?  Yes, we have a financial and monetary system that is ruthless.  Seems to me all financial systems are or can be ruthless and teach only the difficulties of making a living on Urantia.  But I am interested in the connection in your ways of mind association as to how your message this morning points to the dollar category as somehow relevant to your view of the corruption of man and the loss of the Semite thought once again, that all things are one and that all things consist in God.  This is not a criticism but a thought in me that I will learn your reasons for taking this thought category to explain what you have in mind that is helpful to us and myself.  That is not an ironic statement but a curiosity of mine about what drives your heart here and how you see it.

As I write this I have less than an  hour before we start these difficult meetings on behalf of all of you and you Silva seem to be aware of the process we three are going through this morning at my home in York, Pennsylvania.  In less than one hour from now as it is approaching half past nine am in York right now, and that is to resume the second day of four days of meetings where we directly address many subjects with the divine over how to organize an answer to your (almost) prayer that the Semite Kingdom is profoundly disturbed and lost over the rest of mankind totally miscalling the Advent of Jesus once more.  The entire matter this morning is so obscure to me, yet I am in the middle of such a discussion with the divine with my two other colleague Commissioners with me this morning.

Because of imprecise timing this morning and the soon convening of a Contact Commission meeting, I do not have the time I usually would place on your post.  What I am seeking from you is to explain yourself a little more so I can get on the beam of your views as they potentially are a fresh breeze to listen to and work with you.  The problem with a discussion forum you cannot see my body language or can I see yours except by inference, and so I need to ask some more words from you on this question:

Question to Silva:  "Where do you stand and view Lucifer and his present role in our presentation in York that the Second Advent is soon to appear to wipe Lucifer off the map?"  Thoughts please.

Ron Besser
Co-Chair of the Commitment to destroying all that Lucifer stands for.

General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« on: January 16, 2019, 12:36:49 AM »
Clency, the Group corporation is now a charity.  We have to report every donation by name and address to the tax people.  The divine government feels that is an invasion of the divine privileges and if we use it now as a for-profit company (a C corporation), we do not have to report God as a donor and that keep His work and money gift to us confidential.  We may have to pay a small tax on our income from the universe but we do not have to tell the tax people how we got it and where that all came from.  So long as we can show the divine income as legitimate and not stolen money we have no other obligation to disclose where this money came from and thereby retain confidentiality for God and his incarnated advisors and administrators.


General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« on: January 15, 2019, 10:55:38 PM »

Dear list, I have to breief since the first day of meetings went very well, and mostly over modifying the approach to the Michael Mission and the Magisterial Mission.  When I say “”modify,” I mean we had to consider that the time for Urantia to receive these Missions is now and that we were announced to that the Magisterial Son, Serara was on the planet conducting preliminary tests to find which parts of the society respond better than other parts do.  Say for instance, those who work in the manufacturing section and post production work of products for the home and office are found to be more ready than managers and CEO’s of those same production facilities, and if that is the case, release of information will be to target blue collar workers versus white collar workers.  Only the Magisterial Mission is testing hundreds of these situations out at the same time.  We who are on the sidelines will hardly notice how the tests can be seen or understood because the tests are personal to people withing those cultural sectors.

Second, we discussed how to handle money.  We, as all of you well know, cannot move at all without the lubricant of money to hire services, and offices, and secretaries, and supplies and salaries.   As many of you have seen getting hard cast out of the universe seems almost impossible, but the Father Himself, we are now told in these meetings, is ready to back the Local Universe of Nebadon to spend some of their precious gold and convert to USD’s.  That is how cash is raised to fund the Magisterial Foundation, now ready to go.

We were informed that the Magisterial Foundation is the flag ship of the Magisterial Mission and other Missions, and it must be funded shortly to start our Contact Committee to begin operations, which we were ordered to do the following things on behalf of the operating committees, boards, and an executive committee with names supplied to us to use as appointed members to that executive committee.  Here were our corporation orders received today:

1 = Change the name of Starbridge Group to Starbridge Coventry;

2 = Change the status of Starbridge Group from a public charity to a “C” corporation, which is a for profit designation with the Treasury Department and allows us to take funds without applying to the federal government for permission, since a corporation that takes donations also gives tax deductions and the tax people want to know how we use every penny.  Since it is almost impossible to tell the IRS we received donations from Salvington, we now opt to take money funding not as gifts but as income and pay some tax on it if we have to.

3 = Establish a mew Corporation called the Immediacy Corporation with application as C Corporation and EIN from the IRS through the State of Delaware.  Its purpose so far has not be revealed as to how we are to use it.

4 = To provide new ways of using an Executive Committee.  Tomorrow it is likely we vote on establishing the Executive Committee formation and start naming appoints to it from this forum.  You will receive an a private email from announcing your appointment at some point this month if we get confirmation we are do that later this week as there is a very fluid dynamic running through plans right now and we change plans sometimes after discussion of the ramifications of what is proposed. 

What does an Executive Committee do?   First the new Executive Committee is to advise the Contact Commission of the concerns and wishes of those who want to have some input into the planning process as the Contact Commission starts receiving epochal and periodic revelation.  When they do actually begin this work, the executive committee will act like the old Sadler Forum and criticize the output of the Contact Commission if there is something to complain about.  We expect little complaints as there is a direct input to transmitters with the Papers and other materials to come to the Contact Commission for them to pass before the executive committee.

Finally, the proposed Executive Committee with being with at least ten members and they will be required to meet now and then for discussion regarding the progress of the Missions, the work of the Contact Commission, and other Commissions and Committees and Boards not yet formed or spoken to in this report to you today.

All in all the day went smoothly and we got done what they hoped we would ahve done today.  The following spirit persons spoke to us through these meetings, and this is to give you an idea pf the scope and level we dealt with today as a group meeting spirit:

One High in Authority;
The Chief Evening Start, Gavalia;
The Universal Father and His Havona Representative;
The Deity Absolute briefly;
The Creator Sons of Nebadon and Avalon and the Creative Spirit of Nebadon and her Consort from Havona, Natalia as well as two others from Havona unnamed;
Three Souls as within ourselves were allowed to speak to us briefly.

We are addressing from today on, the idea that these Missions are getting very real for the humans on Urantia, and that we must set up a place to work and a conference room to hold ever increasing numbers to attend specialized meetings such as the Executive Committee under the Contact Commission and the Contact Commission works directly under the Magisterial Foundation, but gets funded with expenses and salaries through The Starbridge Foundation.

Thank you
Ron Besser, Chief of the Contact Commission

General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« on: January 15, 2019, 08:36:28 AM »
Thank you Clency for your feelings of support as well as to Lemuel for his help in making our meetings important to you and hopefully to others.  This is one of the few times I am nervous about these meetings as I am unsure about anything to be discussed or secured.  So your support and your care that these things are taking place has more weight than usual for us today.  I am unsure when I will let people know what is transpiring since there is a great deal, they say, to cover and I must wait sometimes to see what it means in context.   Thanks to all of you who are aware of these greetings from spirit and what they may have to say.  


"Ron has blown a gasket again over disappearing objects and let us know it is considered a psychic attack and he is not wrong.  You all are not involved with that side of spirit which defends its right to do anything it says is essential and we consider this work of taking objects unessential but pleasing to certain issues of spirit which hold that Ron is only a human and not worthy of any attention from spirit and he thoroughly disagrees with that as I do.

"Occerpa tried to bounce the idea of what Ron genuinely feels is transcendental thinking and to a certain extent it is as it does not deal with any time element, but we are now in the middle of a prayer that hopes against hope that Ron is not sabotaged off our team by our own intemperance.  He blames me for not controlling these acts of robbery, but I have nothing to do with it.  Our meeting today is to get started with the Magisterial Foundation, and to prepare what it should do shortly as these Missions are now running without being seen by humans at all and that must change shortly for lots of reasons.  I am truly sorry Ron gets hit so hard and has all the pain without let up and it is a miserable life to perpetuate.  I am Michael and wish you all a good day, and I will have Ron do a summary at the close of today so you know what was picked on and what is transpiring to the extent I many do so.  Michael of Nebadon."


"Your Ron are in a foul mood and that costs nothing to smile a little today as you see us closing off options over your dead body, and maybe so, but you are not alone in trying to decipher Father actions on Urantia that are hard to personally take.  You are burning your leg muscles greatly and the Adjuster is in a foul mood with you and you will not take it and say so.  That makes them double down and you are double downed on for spicing up our work with no real reward over who hears what.  Be assured that you Clency and a few more are truly worthy of being included, but most are just ho humming their way to not much over these actions that takes so much money and planning and time for what?  You will see much more after today Ron and to the degree we can share them with you on this forum, we will do so for Lemuel and Clency and Sue and whoever else is there for us.  Mother Spirit of Nebadon."


General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« on: January 14, 2019, 10:20:03 AM »
Thank you ladies and gentlemen who responded above and to my satisfaction, says Michael of Nebadon too.  I am Michael, "You are all happy this morning just to get our from under and long dreadful weekend for this transmitter.  He has battled what is called the ennui of mistake after mistake of so may perversions of thought  that we wonder what we have left on Urantia itself as well.  Ron is not the problem, nor are any of you.  The problem is in Urantia and is inability to hear anything spiritual.  We are all looking at Ron's post as to stab in the dark how Missions from this side are designed and then finally produced on a planet like yours to win the day.  I dare say I always learn from Ron's perspective more than I give into it to help him flow thought well to you all.

"I also see that Ron was employing the Deity Absolute to get at something that is so very hard for humans to ever get a taste of.  Ron calls it thought of the transcendental aspects of life on Urantia and its thinking to understand how we do things.  Occerpa triggered his thinking when he ready how hard it was for Occerpa to express what Ron expresses all the time:  the time intervention over transcendental thought.  Time is a bug a boo all the time and is in the way all the time as well.  I see Ron struggle trying to see into you Occerpa and he did well enough to recognize you have a first rate mind that is sequestered with too many time vocabularies and too little understanding of what you are attempting to express.  There is no such language on Urantia to help you either and Ron finds that hard to deal with as he has thoughts that make yours look like June Bugs and only because he grapples with though of what total universality must be like.  I stand somewhat corrected too, as the Deity Absolute just stood by to help him explain to you Occerpa, just where your thoughts were taking you.  It is a shame you grasp it so little but it is a start.

"As Michael of Nebadon, Sue Whiley is also working this type of thought and sees well into it as she has worked on transcendental thinking longer.  Her life is about to change dramatically too thanks to your help Ron, and that is to understand there is nothing left of the old idea of coming to the United States and working Missions from the York capital idea.  We had to scrap everything again when Uversa announced it was not going to support the Ron idea fully but would support it insofar as epochal revelation was concerned.  I therefore had to call this meeting in York this week to explain the difference and hold the feet of the Commissioners to the fire again.  It is not a happy group this time as Ron sees it as no elevation but a demotion as to the idea of what the Missions are to do on Urantia, and laments that we are not going to defend him so much but to defend the idea of a promotional arrangement for yet another epochal revelation under his auspices.  He sees that as a grand style strategy to a dying board member and that is not his to lament much further.

"Before we get to maudlin. keep in mind Ron has been working this for over 20 years while some of you are quite new to the idea.  He saw it clearly in 2003 and earlier in the late 1990's when none of the idea of a Magisterial Mission was yet announced then or fully.  I am sure he sees now what I want but has so little left in his own natural work that he finds the trials pedantic and cool to the touch but is happy to make adjustments as all of you have to too.  Besides, today is the preliminary day to receiving the Commissioners in York, as all invited guests have no suddenly declined to attend and he sighs and just lets it pass as he must.  We had nothing to do with the guests dropping out but Ron is suspicious that we had a hand in it somewhere and that is true.

"Clency, you dream with Ron with big ideas and constantly seems them pared down to the point they hardly show anymore.  He feels the same as you except Ron has the advantage of doing the work and you do not and then have to wait for the news to come out with one of his summaries.  They are excellent summaries, but they lack the real motivational force of live talk and decision making everyone has to attend to, and that is especially this coming week in these meetings.  I also state for the record, Ron hears a recording he thinks and that is true. 

"Finally, the trial to hear well is coming back to all of you after years of not being able to grab much sense out of the doings of this site and its so-called discussions.  Ron rightly raps some of you for being too lazy to say much, but he also understands it is really difficult to say anything when there is nothing but news to report as has been the case for the past three months or so.  We now come to the point we have little news but are ready to spew out a Mission we are tardy with and wonder if we should do one at all, but Father says it is so essential and Ron so important we move ahead.  He also correctly defines that spirit does not want to be trapped with human concepts, for as he puts it, it is like spirit having to jump out of a Mission airplane using the same parachute the human does--  it just does not work that way and I loved the analogy.   I point out that today is a slow starter for most of you, and that is because the holidays are done and you all can finally chuck the smiles and get back to work in your usual routines and that is hard on a discussion forum like this one.  I am Michael of Nebadon and wish all well."

MOTHER SPIRIT - "I see Ron trial no one this morning and that is good since he is slow to get started after a night of the usual discontent over physical problems that never go away.  He is also ready for the meetings this week and wonders just how they will really go.  I sense he is suspicions of another cabal that drops everything down a rat hole and maybe so but we think not.  I am preparing a statement of my own when these meetings get underway tomorrow.  We had planned a large gathering in spirit too but all invited guests have made excuses and disappeared.  I am also lamenting the fact we have lost a good man in Ron not, but in one he calls HK as he thought him truly the right warrior to take some of this on and cannot anymore as he has resigned his post entirely and returns to Europe shortly shorn of all he planned for for years.  It is typical and that applies to people elsewhere too who are too busy to notice the change of venue that is coming.  I complete this statement as follows for those who want some hard news:

"I am working hard Ron to be positive and we are together in that for now.  We see the Magisterial Foundation running hard to keep out of mischief with the accounting organization, as they see it as sitting there without activity for so long they wonder why it exists.  The truth is it gets some funding soon and we all are ready to place it in an office that Mantutia defines very well and that is not for you to decide Ron just yet.  He is fully prepared to do it himself but we think you need to do it for yourself too Ron.  The Magisterial Foundation, will be the best things since the idea of corn bread and roast turkey.  I am sure that must sound good to you Ron, but we are ready to cut the wings off and let it clop to your plate as a done deal once again.  Be assured it rises like a Phoenix momentarily and roast Phoenix does not appeal to Ron right now.  Constant observation by SERARA indicates Ron is so sick of promoting a great idea he waits for someone saym 'okay let;s use, er, ah, something again.'  SERARA made the decision last night to go with the Magisterial Foundation as his flag ship corporation and all will now flow from that.

"Finally, and now SERARA speaks with MONJORONSON, we are ready to strike a deal in that spirit airplane and use TWO parachutes, one for Ron and one for us, and make it to Urantia with all four feet under our guidance.  I am not ready to tell all but these meetings will end on a high note and lend themselves to a celebration for more meetings to come when we have an office and some direction to work on for a change.  I am SERARA with MONJORONSON, and we are happy to see this all work out so well at last.  I am not telling all Ron.  You know more but dare not say more.  Good day. SERARA with MONJORONSON."


General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« on: January 13, 2019, 11:01:36 PM »
Occerpa you think deeply and I think well.  You are in my view attempting to understand the transcendental aspect of these Missions to Urantia, and you have it well but not the language for another one hundred to two hundred years.   I am giving you a peek behind your thoughts to tell you that, and that fact you can do it shows the Adjuster in you is really pulling out all the strings for you to play in transcendental thinking far before your time.

Let me pause a few moments and explain to the audience what transcendental thinking embraces.  It deals with what we call "PRE CAUSE;" that is, what happens before God acts to do a Mission with the perfection of purpose already in mind as to why He does it.   You address it quite well by pointing out that God in the case of Urantia, is beset with broken missions and then must reconfigure the broken passage ways back to the start of the problems that cause the other missions to fail.

Watch how God has to look past the carnage of the Lucifer Rebellion.  God is saying to Himself, "What got Lucifer so angry he had to teach God a lesson to get off his back?"  Then God must look at the beginning and translate not the effects of time but take a course for the cause Lucifer portrayed to start rebelling under what Lucifer, and we question this statement too, "decided was intolerable about divine process?"  Time is not involved at all in transcendental thinking, but motivation is, and we have yet to develop any language that removes that idea of time events to task and can assign the malevolency of Lucifer to self conditioning of himself over manufacturing a rebellion as a defense to save a part of the universe for himself from the rest of the universe?  This self conditioning of Lucifer from one kind of character to another type of character; i.e. from a loyal Son to a disloyal Son, is a search for some kind of precondition not seen on the surface of time causes.  And that kind of search is transcendental as it does not involve time except as evolution translates it into history.

You Occerpa deal thought now as to looking at Mission speak as a plan that had to originate pre cause and pre conditioning that lead to all we deal with now for the plans to approach today that somehow involves Ron Besser maybe turned into a super human that can handle twisted motivations of Lucifer.  Lucifer and his playmates now are well installed on Urantia in most of its people.  You and I cannot second guess the plan schemes motivation precisely,but we can look at the transcendental meaning of other plans God used on Urantia and why they failed and why this one will succeed using a precedence no one likes in spirit to do.   Spirit does not like holding hands with humans as one Mission, and then jump from their airplane with one parachute between them.  High spirit considers the plan mostly suicidal.  Local Universe Spirit holds it as at least a plan that has unknown consequences and looks to the Creator Son and the Paradise Trinity with Magisterial Sons to help. as usable if the human element is completely controlled.

Might I remind you Occerpa, I am totally human but angry?   Sound familiar to a transcendental thinker?  Lucifer defends not himself but the way the universe is ruled was an aberration based on the fact there was no Universal Father.  compare that drive to some of us who are angry at the way the epochal revelation on URANTIA is bungled.  Lucifer rebelled and started a civil war with get even anger.  Others on Urantia think too a war should be declared to get a divine Mission on Urantia to declare war righteously to clear mistake after mistake over the handling of epochal revelation meant to unlock Urantia spirit potential to eradicate the perpetuation of  default.

And you are right Occerpa, to ultimately believe that God adjusts epochal revelation through first belief, and then through the self proof of spirit attunement, and that is essentially what forum members have to adjust to themselves to get any sense out of this discussion forum.  This site reports the news first, then acts in ways to defend it with discussion questions and answers, and then leaves the forum member to their own thought devices to decide the validity as the importance for yet another Mission has had to rethink it self into the just right approach to our endless mistakes about the sense behind life origins and what it has to do to be successful.

These explanations are like your post, as this one and your post have to use time like language to explain planning that is transcendental and the transcendental is like a handful of water:  I defy you to hold any water in your hand long enough to fully drink of it.


General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« on: January 12, 2019, 11:27:16 AM »
You all who respond here cheer me considerably in spite of what I consider are physical drawbacks to what should be done here in York in the coming week.  We as a collective, all of us on this forum, and those who choose to be anonymous, are likewise part of the totality of what is proposed to be done on Urantia, with me or without me, or without you or with you, the time has finally arrived to see the shape of what is to happen now.   These meetings are designed to see into the future and it is both hopeful that something becomes visible and that something starts, but the other side is that Urantia is out for a spanking as best I can read what is intended before these meetings start.

Clency, I hear you strong and true.  What though can we set up on a conference call when the meetings go minute to minute without praying or speaking highly but placing motions before Boards of Directors of the new found and activated corporations that would bore a conference call to death.  It will be over 96 hours and that is a long long time to be informed hanging on a phone, and how nice it would be it could be televised discretely somehow, but we have neither the technology or actually the interest to prevail so long over so routine matters as to who speaks first and what do they say?  In other words:  a conference call is impractical in spite of being informative beyond normal routines.  I thank you very much Clency for showing interest and we will make a summary available at some point, but I am wondering just how much of these meetings we have to share?  Secrets of future work to be done not released yet is part of the meetings I am sure.

Julio, I have a little trouble deciphering your English this morning.  Correct me if I say this wrong:  you would love to be here but as usual there are so many obstacles you just cannot attend and that is okay.  I also seem to hear you say you wonder who else could attend and be welcomed?  The answer is anyone who is fused and/or ready to take on t he mantle of leadership for what is not fully defined to do as I write this.  The meetings hopefully define what is to be done we do not know about yet, and that does not allow just anyone to attend meetings as a guests today.  Thanks to you Julio, and Clency, and Occerpa, I am beginning to understand, you all are really interested in sitting with us to see the proceedings and I will take that as good advice from Michael of Nebadon too, for the Contact Commission, and we Commissioners, are going to be asked to something never done before.  And all who would like to sit in on these meetings would be welcomed, except that a Contact Commission meeting is almost always limited to Commissioners.

Occerpa, I greatly appreciate your prayers and wishing us and God well on these revelations in meetings about to happen here in York.  You prove to me that those who gather in the name of God to do the will of God, need to communicate in some fashion beyond meeting summaries.  I dare not initiate Skype as that is counter productive to t he need of secrecy, and it is also cumbersome to people like me who have come to completely dislike toys that require hook ups and wiring that is difficult to maintain and looks really  terrible for a neat desk to work on.  Ideally you could tune in with reflectivity but that is a universe technology reserved for the Deities today and not for us at all.

Still there needs to be some consideration for the Commissioners or Committees to open meetings for all of you to participate in live and better done than our technology can do by itself as invented today.  I am going to propose that we stream these meetings and if someone can tell me how to set that up I would greatly appreciate it at once.  For now though, I feel forced to explain that these meetings in the next days are mostly secret, not because any of you are unworthy, but because we have to establish a base of operation better than we have now.  By t hat here are the things I see essential and we do not have yet and all of you who wish to be here will somehow be included spiritually in spite of no pictures and sounds to be established yet:

1 -  We have to establish a better Contact Commission than we have.  I say no more than that for now.

2 -  We need to expand a Contact Commission to more people but whoever we take on they have to transmit and they have to be almost done with their psychic circles per the meanings for circles described in the Urantia Book.

3 -  We require support we do not get yet from those on this forum or lurking in order to be sure we are taken seriously, and that real work is being accomplished, and that time is of the essence.  That support should be expressed as donations to help us keep the web site running.  Or more posts and questions to help with our answers what and why a Contact Commission is to be set up at all again in expanded form and maybe as a streaming program of parts of our meetings to be seen and heard by those who can use their browsers to receive streaming video and sound.  And third, to ask those who support us to provide real time information to our Commission that would help us understand just what is needed in your world of life to feel closer to God.  I would welcome other means of support expression too, but I do not have the imagination to tell you just what else could be helpful as support for your Commissioners before the wrath of God on Urantia.

4 -  I speak carefully, but we need to expand outside of the Contact Commission too.  Do some of you know what an Executive Committee is?  We need to establish one under the Commission with some of you folks and you have to have real meetings now and then, and using such an idea may seem ludicrous from past experience, but I have good reasons to suggest such an establishment of an executive committee under the Contact Commission and for very good reasons.  Some of you might Google the term and see explanations about what such a committee does and apply it to us.  This is very real and it needs to be considered and I hope somebody takes the initiative to know about them and maybe even organize one for us.  I will have input to it if t hat cone be done.

5 - I am very sure what happens shortly will be heard around the world as the universe I think is going to unsheathe its sword.  (vocabulary for non English speakers.  The term to say "unsheathe the sword" refers to the classic idea that a line is set in the sand and if you cross it, the sword will be drawn and war with ensue.  The deal is that the universe until now has now shown exactly where and what that line is on Urantia, and these meetings will show us that line fairly well and what we must do to prepare for it as servants to the will of God.)

6 - Our work at York is going to be costly to other organizations on Urantia who have developed an attitude toward spiritual changes to Urantia that is hipelessly mired in structure and without the means to act directly for humanity on Urantia.  Contact Commissions, and other types of committees will come out of this meeting better defined to remove the partial lame dealings these other institutions are dealing Urantia right now.  I for one am not upset with the idea of losing all my corporations to one ideal, and that is to welcome the Magisterial Foundation and the Magisterial Mission well and full cooperation to what they want to de-establish (ban) useless forms of epochal revelation outreach.

7 - We need to establish better leadership.  From little acorns grow mighty oaks, but I also realize that there are growing pains and they can be fatal unless we decide there is a good reason to do anything but wait again if only briefly for the ideals and procedures for better leadership to be established in York, but in many other towns and villages and places here in the United States and around the world in your village and places to live.  We can set the stage in York and learn what we are asked to do, but in the final analysis you all need help in getting your part of the leadership into place with us and cooperating with us to act as a Team to take instructions from on high as never before imagined on a planet like this one is.  My decision to open this place up to visitors is not easily taken as this place is too small to hold plenipotentiary** meetings yet.  But we need to consider such in the future for your own education and understanding just what has to be done on Urantia if we really want to help.

[** vocabulary: plenipotentiary refers to a person or a Commission or Committee invested with the full power of independent action on behalf of their [Salvington] government, typically in a foreign circumstance]

I now ask Michael to intervene and state his views about what I say above as one of your leaders.  I am not a supreme leader or a guru, but I do fully intend to state before you and others we have got to move together or fall helplessly aside as all other organizations have done to this point on Urantia so far.  There is a defined term of action coming and I suspect we get a lot of that this coming meeting.

"I expect Ron is so frustrated he bellows a little more than should be spoken to, but not this time.  I am sure that Clency, that you Clency, understand we are not playing games from now on and it is very serious business to be done.  I second all Ron has said and I took his wrath this morning by deleting part of his post here and caught it good.  He is not in the mood to be sentenced to penury and will clash now and then with all who direct him over issues of State we do not bring to you directly.  He is not unhappy but born of brimstone and pain yet and finds it debilitating beyond belief to deal with life presently.  I am sure this can be worked out but it is fast becoming a derision of purpose and it must be ended for all of you for waiting so long and for Ron for playing games with him he is calling our bluff over at times.  I am happy to help but he is something of a pariah up here right now over physical pain issues he considers unfair and impractical and useless.  We agree but are powerless to change things easily.

"I also wish to make it clear that Ron does understand something none of you seem to grasp:  namely these meetings are secured with little output to the public except as he sometimes brilliantly summarizes days into a few sentences for you to read and enjoy what to know as to what happened in such meetings.  I too believe we should stream portions of the meetings to you and Ron has the power of the bully pulpit to do that and he will if he can find competent help.  Be assured it is available here but not for now.  I also notice Ron fidgets with some of you to attend and he only asks those who are fused or close to fusion.  It cannot be held otherwise because such humans represent the cream ofthe corp to interface with on Urantia, and to do people who do not have these fusions or circle completions is just asking for trouble for the Commissions and/or committees.

"Committees like executive committees are wonderful ways to get things done but they are cumbersome unless you can actually meet side by side and Ron sees them helpful but may opt for a more general type of organization such as a Brotherhood than an executive committee at this point.  I am will afford to the Contact Commissioners that one of them take the lead to form the Brotherhood legally over the next few months. 

"I also see I am battling Ron over issues of health and he is not wrong as it gets worse and worse and leaves him cold and alone as he cannot sleep well or work well with current circumstances.  I can do little when the Infinite Spirit steps in and did what He did over Ron's house a scant 48 hours ago now.  I am powerless and the Infinite Spirit does not realize he left Ron in the lurch of debilitating pain again.  I hear the Spirit say it was not understood but will be addressed shortly again.  K"  And this: "We intend to hear from the Deity Absolute not for the last time but for Reasons of State now, without a secondary voice involved through to Ron, and that is because we must ascend better between each other on Urantia and on Salvington, on Edentia, on Uversa, on Paradise, and even other places you know not.  I am truly sorry Ron keeps being harmed over issues not his to worry about but he gets it in the neck every time I do.  That must stop and these meetings are designed to take that on head first.  I am truly worrying about Ron and his ability to manage when he is loaded with physical pain so great he turns it into angers and tears at times.  In any case we are asking  the Deity Absolute to speak plainly with full authority to organize Ron and his leadership role as we seldom get this kind of talent and most of your recognize it is a blessing to have if Ron can get free of what hails him too often.  Michael."

"I am sure you Ron are exhausted after a night of intense foot and leg pains right up to the knees this time.  It is not futile pain but the pain of heartless burn off of cells you no longer use anymore and replace with cells that can last a long time into the future for a new life with us and others.  You  are fully dependent on your car and your driving to obtain sustenance and that must continue and well and it is being seen to up here that you have your keys back after a nasty period of trials where we dematerialized your work ware.  In most cases it was returned but in the case of a set of keys no, but we will now that we see how critical it is to have the keys in hand as it completely makes it impossible to start the car without the special code in them to start the car.  In any case we replete our standing today and tell all of you that the meetings in York on January 15th and beyond are full of surprises for Ron too and for most who attend.  Now let me list a few things for you from me that can be told now:

1 - No one hears this better than Ron and Gossett:  You are free as agents to live as you please but be caring you are never acting against the will of God to do so and Ron in particular knows when he is withheld and Gossett has no clue yet how to tell it;

2 -  I am happy to announce that I can take that silliness now ron as I speak not through Ocilliaya but through you alone and that is a first for you?  [I did not know it I am sure.  Thank you.]  Ocilliaya is not gone but trussed up for His own reasons.  This number merely announces I have a direct circuit now to Ron alone.  No one else needs me.

3 -  I am on the Circle of Infinity and you Ron are working on the beginning chapters on a book about Infinity and we close it off now and then to work on practical things except it is going to be quite a release once it gets its full annotations in it as I will see to it for my own Reasons of State.  Be assured it is a wondrous book as you alone have some sense of it for some reason and care immensely how to make it practical in terms of man and his views of time and space without going hard into the philosophy of  transcendence.  As a leader in my own right, I propose you drop the term leadership entirely and use the idea of TEAM work completely.  It is not so hard to work with a Team but is harder to work with a leader and I know you fully agree with that idea completely. 

4 - Finally, the meetings of January 15th have great meaning up here on Paradise, for suddenly we have workers on Urantia who are fully dedicated to the idea of transcending leadership from God as Ron has worked hard to see to it as they wish it and not as he originally proposed it years ago.  I am sure there are reasons for typing breaks and I wish them to be done as you go too Ron and that is better now as I see I have to adjust this circuit to allow small breaks to correct typos as we go . . . .   Now this:

"I am delighted with Ron on all counts but he is not worth a dime under circumstances that create such disharmony in him and as such we move well with the idea that he must be cleared but how?  The question is daunting since he is too old for a refit and too young to be spirit so we call it morontial and be done with it.  You are never a broken human Ron, but you need fitted with less painful blood Rh factors and that is coming once clearance is granted shortly for it to be permanently taken care of .  Father now speaks:"

"I am seldom allowed much space in Ron for the simple reason he is angry over things he must put up with so harshly he sees no point in living well in these circumstances.  He runs well but outside of our world of thought in order to complete the things he needs to keep the house warm and food on the table and sometimes to watch the news on TV which he is fully disgusted with again.  He sees the entire matter on Urantia as a fault to be corrected and he is not wrong.  Besides being a tad silly he is also a tad exhausted from all of this mill work to get a Contact Commission established on Urantia and now we are about to do an unprecedented thing on Urantia too, and that is ours to hold back for now too.

"Finally, Ron has indicated that what he calls the leadership has to open up the process better to include some of you as meeting attendants if only electronically.  We fully agree with that but hold the Contact Commission as a secret affair and suggest you form and Executive Committee to the Contact Commission that can meet around your table too Ron.  Let it sit for now as it holds difficulties for you presently to do that.  Besides money is available immediately as I have offered the help of Paradise in that to Michael of Nebadon, and to Avalon and to Sensalon and Wolvering and five others not revealed yet without reading the sixth epochal revelation.  You will read it soon Ron as you are ready to do the work of God completely and are set up to move immediately even though accounting now is irregular and outside your purview momentarily.  Besides SN there are others who would love to do the work for you. 

"I complete this report to say to you Ron, that no one is as ready as you are but you have so many problems of estate and so on it must be cleared shortly and it will be as friends and associates in Mt Joy are leaving the area shortly for the winter and will not remain long in Mt Joy and so on as they are tired like you are of a weather condition that just is a pain to put up with anymore.  I say that just to you Ron as you know the story.  I am Father and wish you all well .  K"

[Ron:  Mt Joy is a family relationship which is nervous about the move to Mt Joy and what Father is telling me is that it resolves itself which I had no idea it could or would and it was to me personanly but I leave it in only to assured it is one less monkey on my back that can say good bye at some point. Thanks for your patience in getting through the personal stuff.]

"Ron I congratulate you on persevering through some really heavy muck to get free shortly. Your head hurts, your brains freezes over issues we do not want to discuss and you live life precariously in order to be ready as you can be.  I am fully affording you a day without problems, and you are gracious enough to allow Murphy's Law to operate anyhow.  Good, and this:  Your money woes end soon and that is all I allow for now.  We leave the board for now and wish all a good day.  Michael."


General Discussion / Re: Explosion of the Light of God
« on: January 11, 2019, 09:58:24 PM »
That'sa oh all kay ah, Pizza tasta good even cold.  Gussippi

General Discussion / Re: Michael and a Written Test For You
« on: January 11, 2019, 09:53:49 PM »
I enjoy your enthusiasm and wish I had some of it sometimes, Steven.  York next week may be more than some of us want to handle with what is coming.  I now know a little I was to hold back and still do, but that brilliant light over the house this morning at a little past one AM is still not out of my mind yet.
My self got set back to day and thrown back to some time ago with decreased health performance and it makes you wonder what just the heck is happening since there seems to be so much difference between what heaven decrees and what I actually experience.  Busy day today to that ran somewhat smoothly but there is a pall over things for me and I do not read it clearly at all.  Let us see what next Tuesday starts with and take it from there at York.

MICHAEL OF NEBADON p "I adjust my time accordingly these days.  Ron is a piping hot bowl of misery and I do not blame him a fir tree a fir tree either as we threw him yet another punch this morning and blew the sky wide open with a brilliant light anyone could see if they were looking toward where the property at 2709 SL is located.  The Infinite Spirit showed his colors and blew the sky wide open for a brilliant flash of material light by directing a stone the size of your fist onto the property.  It landed almost on the old oak tree next to the garage and scared the wits out of Ron.  It was to show people like you Steven that the world of Spirit is quite envious of grass and trees and yet cannot partake of them as they are "too material," by half to use at all in spirit.   In any case the place at 2709 is not barren yet but will be if he cannot bring himself to look at the loss of his world of thought and sight as temporary yet fully incomplete for the time being.  I see nothing much to say except that the meetings at York will tarnish bright brass if allowed to and that is for you to understand too someday.  I close with this:  Monday night when you arrive in York, say a little prayer for all of you as the changes coming will astound you and even Ron is worried it might be too much for either of you two to handle easily.  We will see.   K"

Ron - I think that might give you some idea what is brewing and we need as many witnesses as we can get there.   I believe we have a few guests this time, and that can improve the performance of us as a group too and I look forward to that at least.  Thanks for the post.  Ron

God the Supreme would think that in particular cases.   I am sure there are those on Urantia who would abuse the privilege and make it a laughing stock.  You are really asking if God the Supreme just looks at the entire human race, and not just on Urantia, as suspect.  They are but there is always a Saint Francis of Assisi somewhere in our untold trillions that can be trusted or can be made to be trusted.

When it comes to Urantia, there is a line lot of people to choose from mostly because the fifth epochal revelation did not catch on with even those who have read the Urantia Book.  Most who have rely on places like the Urantia Foundation which has misapplied the divine mandate to dissemination without comment thereby commenting ad infinitum to the detriment of a pool of people one can trust to do epochal revelation.   Also, do not forget that we all work daily with Mantutia Melchizedek, who is the chairman of the Revelatory Committee that works all planets in Nebadon, including Urantia.  If anyone is going to get it in the neck for being too difficult to work with, it would be from Mantutia who is quite a stickler for performance and not complaints.  I see him seconding the Supreme as harshly if not harsher than God the Supreme on matters of the sixth epochal revelation for Urantia.


General Discussion / Explosion of the Light of God
« on: January 11, 2019, 11:54:24 AM »
Explosion of the Light of God
•        The Infinite Spirit
•        Michael of Nebadon
•        The Creative Spirit
•        Mantutia Melchizedek
•        Others unnamed

York, Pa 10am Local Time
January 11, 2019

[Ron notes: I had to edit down an extremely long explanation of what happened to me in the past of what is one event over three days starting January 9th late at night here in York. I also have gathered a lot of future work that remains secret and had to take it out as it is premature to talk about it now. I am using their voices but condensing with my voice so the reader can get to the point without having to redact a lot of other detail unnecessary to the narrative in many cases.



The Recent Event:
This morning at 1:14am a brilliant light lit up my property so brightly it woke me. It might be a meteorite that is just coincidental over me after I had an interview with a transmission from the Infinite Spirit. It was, from its beginning. a fairly long interview., but I remember no detail now. Fully done, they just left and I fell quickly to sleep. Then after one this morning when a light occurred outside of the house so brilliant it startled me awake inside in my bed. It made no sound but the sense was that the electrical current in the house was shut off and I at first thought it could be a transformer fire as one is near to the house. But it was not a fire,, and I have no explanation other than to tell you I am terribly uneasy this morning as I feel it does have something to do with what we are all deeply interested in happening and happening soon.


Event Explained from Spirit Perspective
“Ron tells the truth and has no recollection of what he witnessed. It is connected to something he saw 24 hours before that. At 3am the morning of the 9th of January, he turned his flood lights on to light the back of his yard. When he did, smoke curled around the northwest corner of his home in heavy streams. He at first thought his neighbors had a wood fire in their fireplace next door, or that his furnace was exhausting warm air into a very cold and damp night. Neither was true. What he saw was a ghostly white vortex form at the northwest corner and the floods illuminated a white vapor so strange he unlocked the backdoor of his house and walked outside to watch the phenomena. It was a stream of smokey looking fog that curled all around the back corner almost tornadic in its curling twists and evaporated afterwards many feet toward the east. He determined it was just a weather phenomena he never saw before.

“This morning at 1:14am, (the digital clock was seen as he awoke to the light), the brilliance of the light was so intense it woke him out of a deep sleep. That was the Spirit of God learning and signing that he was acceptable at last to take on what he wanted to very much.”


MANTUTIA MELCHIZEDEK - [Ron here I summarize his speech for length]
“You are being raised out of your work as a Contact Commissioner now. The Infinite Spirit finally understands that the interview conducted about and hour earlier finally settled the issue you were acceptable to Him.

“He also removed all equipment from your home that was installed by the Salvington orders to place it there. Michael has since then this morning put it back because he cannot operated without it in your home.

“We are also recommending you hold this section aback as it deals with momentary secrets concerning the coming meetings in York starting January 15th as next week for you.

“We also recommend that all who can possibly attend this meeting do so, as we now must reset our course as finalizing of all Mission plans through for the next five hundred years or so. Those plans include:

Quotes now:
“ 1 - The house at 2709 Sunset Lane to be repaired and spruced up;
          2 - No one living now will see Ron in four hundred years or so as he will be removed and placed on high for further ascension work;

          3 - No one except the existing Contact Commissioners will take orders from the Infinite Spirit or the Deity Absolute from here on. Ron is still connected to the Deity Absolute, but will not hear messaging from the Deity Absolute except through Master Spirit Four and Master Spirit Seven;

          4 - Ron has now received four Supernaphim and his Guardians of Destiny have been temporatily removed until his new Commission is acceptable to Michael of Nebadon who may object to these rulings if He so desires;

          5 - The temporary quarters for Jesus are not disclosed, but we are planning to have Jesus appear on Urantia much earlier than stated earlier;

          6 - No house other than 2709 Sunset Lane is so poorly described since it must house equipment that is secret and used only at 2709 Sunset Lane;

          7 - Loss of firmament for Ron is reestablished so long as it is aceeptable ti Michael of Nebadon.


“I am Mantutia Melchizedek, and I decree the following for the coming 15 January meetings.

“1 - It will be decorous but very busy;
          2 - It contains enough information to fill a new book of revelation and will be held mostly secret and Ron may report what we tell him to report. There are good Reasons of State developing, and he must take them on one at a time, and he will be afforded all that is necessary to clear health issues for good. He is being treated to a life extension lasting at least four hundred years at this point;
          3 - These meetings constitute a new beginning for the Contact Commission and a brand new Commission for all three of the existing Commissioners to be announced;
          4 - No man will ever understand the events of this morning as Ron is still blinking over the intense brilliance of light he experienced. No one else in the neighborhood would have seen it unless looking directly at the property. Ron was under the light and saw all of it;
          5 - Long ago we decreed that Ron would hail to Urantia as a new word of God for those who would listen and he sees nothing new but we do. His life is circumscribed under duress no longer and he may live as he pleases but that is always to present his life and his representations in the highest dignity as possible.

“I lament we may say no more and leave this exist as it is for now. Michael of Nebadon spoke earlier and confirmed all of these changes were satisfactory to Him.”


General Discussion / Michael and a Written Test For You
« on: January 10, 2019, 05:35:57 PM »

This is Michael and quote me please

“I am about to start a campaign on your discussion list to break you out of your lethargy here as Ron rightly comments to me they just do not bother and that kills the site. But you are all working hard on your bits and pieces you assimilated here and he cannot here that part of your make up. Therefore let me try this.

I am going to ask a few questions I would like answered on the board here. Paraphrase the questions or copy them over to your text window editor in the discussion forum. It does not matter what you do so long as we know what questions you are answering.

1 - Who should you trust most to relive what Jesus did on Urantia over two thousand years ago?

Multiple Choice:
□        Dale Carnegie
□        Bill Kemper
□        Cyril Richards
□        Jesus Himself

Write a small essay on who you would choose and why.

2 - Who should look after the entire matter of an 8th Bestowal?

Multiple Choice:
□        Dale Carnegie
□        Bill Kemper
□        Cyril Richards
□        The Archangel Michael, aka Lord Michael better used than not.

3 - Who do you think should parade around with Jesus and Melchizedeks attendant to the Bestowal Son?

Multiple Choice:
□        Dale Carnegie
□        Bill Kemper
□        Cyril Richards
□        An Apostle
Right down your choice and let us know which Apostle among the living on earth right now.

4 - Who is the best suited to run this web site if you think it should be kept running when Jesus appears? That is really two questions and answer both from your own mind selection.

“I am Michael of Nebadon and these are a tad silly but you need to write your answers just to cement in your mind your thoughts when this comes to fruition very soon now.”

“I wish you a very good day to all. Michael.”


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