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Re: CERTITUDE: ITS GIFT
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2017, 07:23:32 AM »
Ron, as you responded :

Ron, I will gladly delete my post.  I was not meaning to make it more confusing which is why I inserted the date of the writing, as the late 1800's.      Please let me know if I should delete it....LarryG

No Larry, let it stand, as of now it serves as a lesson on other views of compossibility that do not fit the use of the word in the Urantia Book, and you will find other words in the Urantia Book like the word "existential" that is not used as we use it today on social sites or the Internet at all, and I lament we all have to be so careful to know when you are in the Urantia Book Room speak using its terms and definitions, but stay away from erroneous definitions in social media and cable television.   They use them according to their incoherent views of time and space.



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You are right, Ron, this is  a valuable lesson to learn.   I will, in the future. be more carful and watchful.   It is interesting to me since,  now,  I find the entire subject of linguistics,  semantics,  and etymology so very interesting.   When I first got my Urantia Book, in the mid 70's, I remember that  I always had a dictionary right beside me as I read since I had to look up so many word definitions as I was reading.   Sometimes, even now, I have to  look up definitions to the definitions!....lol.... When we were informed, especially concerning receptions, that Spirit is somewhat limited in how and what they can transmit to us since they have to rely upon and work with us at the levels where we are, I was and still am, a bit regretful that my vocabulary is not what I now wish it were.  Even though I wasn't a particularly fastidious student and frankly a bit on the lazy side with "book learnin",  English was always fascinating to me and I was especially fond of diagraming sentences.   anyway.. bla... bla... bla... I am rambling...The point being that in the future I will be more careful to not confuse, confound and complicate issues and definitions  and better stay within the framework of our Urantia Book.   Thanks Ron, as always, for your patient guidance... and now back to the drawing board.

I found your ending note to be especially poignant, filled with love and affection  for all of Spirit as they find the best ways to sometimes deal with all of us as  you wrote:


Ron
"Note:  I am heavily dependent on these views from Saint Paul who stood by my side while I wrote this; from Michael of Nebadon who chastised me first and later saw the quote from Larry was misleading and one learns nothing from it; and from Mother Spirit and Peter the Apostle of Rome, who watched me stick my toe in the water over an obscure philosopher that Leibniz turns out to be in these days.  I also wish to thank my Adjuster for keeping me out of the wrong fields to pursue the truth which is so easy for me to do and then get lost on articles like this and have to be rescued by the Father to save face.  My thanks to my Life Guards always. Ron"
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2018, 06:11:18 PM »
“ ROUND & ROUND ”
Round and round the Circuits spin..
first this way… then.. back again !
Keep your Balance if you can…
never long though where you stand -
For slip and slide you’re sure to do…
how else to know the most of you?
That by experience and wisdom seen..
Expand  the Beauty of your being!
Such Surprises await your knowing…
steadfast and sure…they’re always showing
how next you see what  before was   void
now beheld with Skill employed -
To pierce the veil of pre formed thought
Expands that Grace thus begot
So next you know before the turn..
Onward onward we’re Called to Learn


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Re: CERTITUDE: ITS GIFT
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2018, 12:42:15 PM »
"Compossibility"....is the Great Inherent Potential that the entire 'Urantia circumstances' afford the Supreme.....and of course, potentially...each and every child of the Planetary Supreme.  I suspect, humbly...that such is one of the fundamental reasons Michael chose Urantia for His final bestowal.......Compossibility is the 'field of endeavor' of  agondonters.

" "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle


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Re: CERTITUDE: ITS GIFT
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2018, 11:00:30 AM »
"
From the Desk of George Barnard.
(or The Bigger Picture for P. P. Mentori).
Toormina, Australia, July 6, 2001
Re-edited, Illawarra, Australia, September 22, 2002.
He is a newly appointed Planetary Prince by the name of Mentori. Almost at the very time of his seemingly overdue arrival on the evolutionary world of his promotion, there arrives to greet him an old Ascended Master, now re-descended into the space/time realms. She is a former mortal, from a small planet in Satania that we on Urantia all know about. Our “Woman on the Job” rightly calls herself, “Urantja.”
She is a Paradise Ambassador, and she is of our races.
The Former Mortal
“The rules are still the same, Brother Mentori. The decrees from on High will always remain unchanged,” speaks the ancient Paradise Citizen by the name of Urantja. “None of the eternal, hard and fast Paradise laws have been altered in the Universe of Time/Space Universes, even before or since I was the offspring of animal parents on the planet I still happily call my treasured home.”
The white-haired Paradise Citizen – a newly appointed Paradise Ambassador and Advisor to the Planetary Prince of this experimental planet number 411 of Outer Universe 1807 – pauses. It seems she needs to draw a deep breath before going on, despite there being no need for her to breathe at all. She seems to sigh, although the heart-breaking traumas of her earthly existence are now far behind her.
She carries on with the conversation, calmly, or seemingly so, but she is deeply stressed and greatly apprehensive. She is here on 411 to complete the most important mission of her eternal life, and she knows it. These are the occult animal fears, long thought to have been dismissed.
“I urge you, my Prince, to reconsider your proposal of fast-tracking the abolition of slavery of the Secondary Sangiks. I submit my presence here may solely be for the purpose of adding my empiric/grasp to the vast amount of create/judiciousness you bring to the office of Planetary Sovereign. But my appointment to your staff may well be to timely/circumvent prospective, and innate evolution-based difficulties.”
“Tell us of your planet,” the Prince responded.
“She is but small, blue, brown, white and green – experimental 606 of a once deeply troubled system in the Seventh Inner Trial Universe that directly skirts Paradise. Her name is Urantia. There was a rebellion in the System. Then, our Planetary Prince was one of many who betrayed their mortal and existential charges. On top of all that, our Adamic pair found themselves in a near-hopeless situation, and they defaulted. But the System Sovereign/Creator made our world the venue for his final bestowal, and thereby we of that blue planet, Brother Mentori, truly were the most honored of all subjects/brothers/sisters of his 10,000,000 worlds.”
“How long ago, Sister Urantja, was your animal life. And, pray tell, what was the cause of the system rebellion? Even more so do I need to know about your world’s betrayal.”
“Pride, Brother Mentori. Pride was the reason for the rebellion in the first place. Impatience was the cause of our Planetary Prince’s betrayal of office, and thus of the mortal and celestial masses. I will now answer your first question. It is a mere fourteen billion years of my planet’s time since Adjuster fusion and further progress made me a Paradise Citizen.”
“And the aftermath of the betrayal…?” Mentori enquires.
“Wholesale retardation for all the planetary programs. Wholesale retardation of intellect, moral values, and spirituality, it was for the animal faith-sons and daughters of those planets troubled by the Planetary Princes’ disloyalties. Their names -- those of the Planetary Princes -- are no longer known. Most lower-ranked Celestials fared a little better, but not by much. Some steadfast personalities are almost venerated today.”
The Eminent Prince
Mentori shudders. “There were more than ten thousand of my order who applied for the office I now hold,” he answers. I was judged to be the most suited, most knowledgeable, and eloquent, teacher of them all. And here I am, scarcely settled in at my new task, and I sense I quickly meet a better teacher than I may ever be.”
“Favored are the mortals, my dear Brother,” Urantja replied. “We suffered from hunger and poverty, the list goes on, discrimination of all kinds -- even on the Mansion Worlds, still -- but we are so very lucky. We learned a lot on the way. The disasters that befell our little planet, Urantia, have, one could rightly say, paid for themselves many times over in that we have become His most trusted servants.”
“Sister Urantja, in confidence now,” a seemingly troubled Mentori suggests, “be aware of my great appreciation for you and your timely mission, my dear friend. Although I supposedly outclassed ten thousand of my spiritual family, I perceive in you a teacher unequalled in my realm, in my order, among my acquaintances of countless millions of years. You have conveyed to me the message that I have become too proud, but you did not say so. You have informed me I am impatient, but you hurt not my feelings. We of our created order are truly well informed, but we lack almost all space/time experience. I thank you, Urantja, with all my heart, and I would be most honored if you would consider me to be your ever-grateful friend, and be with me this evening in worship.”
Mentori hesitates, but just momentarily, then seems to assure himself the former mortal could be trusted, and explicitly so. “We labor, Urantja, for millennia upon millennia in order to receive our Mother’s supreme mind bestowal. Again, we labor for eons to earn our Paradise Father’s Gift. I was impatient, yes, impatient, I confess, and selfish, and this before all else. I thank you for bringing this great character deficiency I have to my attention.”
“What will you do about the Secondary Sangiks’ plight?” she asks.
“See to it that they are fairly treated,” Mentori answers. “I was so concerned about their being mistreated. Concerned about the best of their races being claimed by the Primary Sangiks, and some others… well… simply being slaughtered.”
“What about abolishing slavery, Mentori?”
“I will let evolution decide. But I shall teach love and mercy.”
“My dear friend,” Urantja answers, “you just gave me your word. And in giving me your word I can now inform you of what is already known on Paradise. Your decision to let evolution run its course, coupled with your decision to not have your name struck of the Paradise register has already made up as much as one-hundredfold for all the difficulties my home planet ever suffered so long, long ago.”
“Urantja, I find that very hard to…”
“Believe? My visit to your shores has been the single, most important task of my entire universe career. The difficulties -- according to calculated Paradise potentials -- stemming from the premature release from slavery of your Secondary Sangiks would have persisted for almost four million years of your planet’s time. I can safely tell you this, for it won’t happen now. You’ll be pleased to know that the records show, that in the remainder of your planetary career, you will not again be tempted to stray from the clearly outlined Paradise curriculum. Mentori, my dear, dear brother, your name has now been entered in Paradise records. You are Mentori the Steadfast, and it is known by all on Paradise that you wavered but once in instigating on this planet the Father’s great universal business plans.”
“I thank you dear Sister for so informing me.”
“It was my task and pleasure, Brother Mentori. The Paradise records show that you will be, that you are, and that you always were, a wise teacher all throughout your lengthy tour of duty on this number 411 of Outer Universe 1807. Records show you received your Mother’s mindal Gift, and fusion with the Father’s Gift was accomplished. I can tell you no more. You must have faith about the timing of these events, Mentori.”
Urantia
The two now spend an hour in worship and meditation. Mentori learns a great deal about the Urantian betrayal. He is also most eager to learn more about his eternal future. Urantja is also eager about telling him all she knows, but the last word has been spoken on the subject. The Urantia ex-mortal had been briefed in great detail about what could be passed on, and what had to remain a Paradise secret. There would always be the danger of Mentori becoming complacent, and sabotaging himself. She is a rebellion tested, ascended mortal who is entrusted with the important task. Urantja has succeeded in carrying out this task, as her Paradise Superiors already knew she would.
“Tell me about experimental 606 of Satania, my Sister,” Mentori suggests.
“There were great losses on our world. For some, the existence on such a backward planet became too much to bear. Yes, there were many, many losses among the backward mortals.”
For a time the white-haired Urantja falls silent, then she speaks up again. “In those fourteen billion years the majority of our Michael’s 10,000,000 worlds have become veritable showpieces of Light and Life. His bestowal world has become an inter-galactic tourist venue for all imaginable species. But its fused mortal citizens range far and wide in your myriad outer-space universes. Urantians are Ambassadors, Teachers, Planners, and because they have had such a tough start in life, they are valued hard nuts to crack in critical, crucial, and controversial circumstances. Urantians are eminently trusted.”
“I grasped from an early age,” Urantja goes on, “that all of God’s children are each other at their spiritual Root Source. The things one learns the hard way are of value to all. The greatest rewards come to those who trust and believe no matter how tough things become.”
Mentori sighs. “Those of my order could easily become jealous of the great advantages you ex-mortals now enjoy. We don’t have these advantages, but we quite often wish to be in your places of trial and tribulation to enjoy the wondrous Gift of guaranteed eternal life you are so swiftly awarded. Yet, so few of you accept the phenomenal chances you are given, time and again. I just don’t get it.”
“I did accept the chance,” Urantja assures him with a smile.
“How great were the repercussions of the Prince’s betrayal?” Mentori asks. “Perhaps I should rephrase that. How long until the Prince’s mistakes were totally rectified?”
“A mere two million years of our Urantia time. That is only about a million of your time. A mere bagatelle of damage was done, compared to all the good it did, and will still be doing, for untold thousands of universes still to be born. Paradise has already counted up the past and future gains, Mentori.”
“Well? What does it add up to, Urantja?”
“An incomprehensible amount of love, beauty and goodness was unwittingly generated as a by-product of those acts of duplicity… incomprehensible, my Brother. Only the Father knows how much. We, on our part – on the part of the ex-mortals – know that the Urantia Planetary Child of the Supreme has, and through our contributions alone, become one of the greatest Contributors in all of the Seven Trial Universes. Such experience! Such knowledge! Such wisdom! Such great ability to forestall, to anticipate and block, future unwanted happenings. And all this is for the betterment of the Trial Universes, and even more so for all the tens of thousands of outlying, organizing universes of your deep space.”
“It was a contentious issue for me,” Mentori sighs, “in that there seemed to have been so little progress on this huge world, and for countless, endless centuries. But I grasp that guided evolution, not forced evolution, must be my way. Tell my Superiors that I shall have faith in the outworkings of the seemly desperate situation on my planet, Sister Urantja.”
“I bid you “fare thee well”, Brother Mentori,” Urantja replies. “I must learn of what, and where, my next project will be.”
July 6, 2001 notes:
This is George Barnard. Ordinarily, I am disinterested in fiction. There are, in my view, enough ‘wondrously weird and way-out happenings’ in our universes for us to not need to concern ourselves with fiction. Personally, I innately dislike fiction. And yet…
The attached writing was begun at around 8 PM on July 5, 2001. It was completed on July 6, 2001. And for each hour I worked on it, edited it, and re-edited it, one of the 11.11 Progress Platoon was by my side, prompting me. It seems they wanted it, and volunteered my services.
Possibly, it is the time delay between Michael’s seventh bestowal, and the “2000 year later” Correcting Time that is “the Contentious Issue” with some, still. As well, perhaps, our unwillingness to be led by our Adjusters is here touched upon.
I, personally, reserve my opinion on all of this. I did as I was told -- simply that, no more. "
September 22, 2002 notes:
I was notified that the “A Contentious Issue” was very much intuited by a Celestial Artisan, and despite my dislike of fiction, there is deemed to be an important message in there. Midwayer Mathew and I have just re-edited it all. It’s almost all present tense now.
God bless you and yours… George.

Comment from a Subscriber - 9/22/2002
WOW!! George and Matthew - what a piece!
Messages like this are SO important for us to hear and ponder. Many of us cosmic contemplatives think a lot about the Lucifer Rebellion, talk about it, wonder about it, and sometimes complain that the UB has given us too little information about what exactly happened and what the full spectrum of the consequences were/are.
And, as Urantija in the story mentioned, for many "the existence on such a backward planet became too much to bear" - many souls were lost and even now, I hear, many continue to choose extinction rather than go on. The disappointments, discouragement and hopelessness run too deep for faith to survive. And there is a lot of anger still on this world.... anger toward God for allowing such intolerable conditions to prevail upon this world. Millions of hearts have borne deep grievances against God for his seeming indifference and passivity in the face of so much terrible, undeserved suffering.
Many of us have found it difficult to forgive God because we don't truly grasp the highest perspective. In the darkness our vision fails us. Stories such as this help bridge the misunderstanding and lack of trust that has grown between us and God as a result of the Rebellion. They help heal the gap between God and our world.
Thank you for delivering this, and thank you to the Celestial Muse who inspired it.
love and light to all always,
Krista
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Re: CERTITUDE: ITS GIFT
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2018, 06:48:39 PM »
I join with Krista on her comment and agree. This is an astonishing piece of revelation and gives such insightful glances to what we are enduring even now. Thank you so much for sharing and uplifting our hearts to see above and beyond what is a rather dull happening all around us in this instance of time.

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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2018, 05:07:41 PM »
Sue....you are most welcome!  So important it is...absorbed as we can become with the overwhelming even tedious 'details' of this transition time....we oft become 'caught between two worlds' and forget the IMMEDIACY of each Moment's potential for the expansion of the INTER PERSONAL....  We often can 'lose ourselves' in all the cross fire of varying insights and experiences....when at our 'immediate grasp forever' is our CHOOSING the Gift of the 'perfect model' of the interpersonal.....loving affection between 'Parent and child'.....the very Essence of Michael's 'good news'...and the absoluteness of our Adjuster's presence.  Nothing else matters...really....if you have this Truth in your HeartMind...all the 'details' find their place.
Loving Heart to you, Sister..and All here...seen and unseen...on the Path or Seeking for it....

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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2018, 05:47:55 PM »
Oh Zao, I echo your sentiments. The infinite NOW is a glorious place and moment to relish in the love, affection and wisdom of our Beloved.

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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2018, 06:50:19 PM »
Joy! :) ;):D
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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2018, 07:01:45 PM »
Way Cool ZAO!  Really Loved reading it.  Inspiring and fun filled!  Co-creating with my Beloved Indwelling is such a learning experience, challenging and sooo enjoyable.

Not sure I had the pleasure of introducing myself to ya!  So a Big hello and how are you?
Below was the "cover page" for what you posted.  Found it very interesting so I'll post it.

Published: Monday, 22 January 2018 14:43 Written by The Damascus Scribe (Sananda)

Illawarra District, Australia, November 5, 2017.
Teacher: The Damascus Scribe.
Subject: “A Total Network.”

Message received by George Barnard.

The Scribe: “Continue to be My bellwethers you all in this growing group, for such a task will serve you well on this world and beyond. You could have been born on another world, lived to the age of 180 years, have been a servant of the Gods, a leader of your kin and an inspired indicator of the ways of the future. And, My human friend and co-worker, in all those long years as a diligent helper you would not have accumulated the goodwill that can come to you in one short year on Urantia.

“Samuel of Panoptia was one such who was a leader of minds, a bellwether of the Life Carriers, who invented ways and means to enhance nutritious effectiveness of important crops in his laboratory by being ever in touch with his human/celestial total network — so easy to do on advanced Panoptia of his days. Your harvest is still to come for you, the work is still to begin, Monjoronson is not far away now and your total network is there to make use of . . . as it makes use of you and yours.

“That which you have begun on this troubled planet with Cherubim and Sanobim, with Destiny Guardians all, with Midwayers of all ranks especially and their Superiors will be the order of the day on Mansonia. You will learn, retain all of what you have learned and progress. And you will assist in every way those of your kin, of your world, who will come up after you, for such is the experiential curriculum on terra firma and throughout the universes and onto Paradise.

“Now another matter and this is particularly because of the ‘newbee’ faces on the lists, although it is related to what we already covered here. It deals with the follow-up revelation you received when you questioned your likely tasks beyond your stay on Paradise, I say it was a follow-up revelation only because your text hints at it. Nevertheless it was in part delivered by the Eagle, your Spirit Fragment, in part by Midwayer Mathew.

See: http://1111angels.net/old_files/E_Desk/GB15.htm

You are requested to ‘publish’ this once more, firstly because it is actual revelation and secondly because it is appropriate for many to know that they will be skilled for and rightly receive important positions in our far-flung universes even beyond their sojourn on Paradise . . . and thus be part of a total network.

“This is a one-time Fragment of the all-knowing Father and the one who guided Michael throughout his earth life. This is the Scribe who loves you all without question or hesitation, unconditionally and ever more deeply.”

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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2018, 07:38:37 PM »
Thank you for your kind words, Andi!...and George's recent post......  I hope you are well my friend...a pleasure to meet you......
InHeart,
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