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General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« on: January 16, 2019, 01:29:38 AM »
Thank you Ron for your quick reply, but I don’t want to be too annoying here, I am just sharing a feeling of fear about the IRS guys poking their nose and enquiring about the source of income when large amount of money coming in. Eventhough there is no obligation to do such, but it still remains we have to prove there is ‘no stolen money’ and that can be a stumbling stone on the way of running Starbridge properly. Anyway, we are making a step forward and let us see what comes out of it. Domtia

General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« on: January 16, 2019, 12:18:16 AM »
About the change in status of Starbridge – I am not sure if I get it right, so I stand for correction – my understanding is that Starbridge will go from a Group to that of a Coventry, in other words from charity to a making-profit company, allowing to receive donations as money funding and paying taxes. I am scratching my head trying to make the difference between donations and money funding and from what could Starbridge eventually make profit or receive income as proof for the IRS ? Thanks for clarification.

General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« on: January 15, 2019, 01:16:59 AM »
Eventhough, the invitations to attend the mid-January meetings have been declined for whatever reasons, as it is pointed out in Lemuel’s yesterday audio transmission, we can all show our interest and mark our presence in spirit, by joining in a prayer ; just follow the link. Domtia

Here we are, the 15th of January 2019, a memorable date for the book and as it is suggested by Lemuel in his post above, let us create a circle of positive energy during these meetings, by joining in a thoughtful prayer all together and by so doing we show our attendance in spirit. Here is my prayer :

‘‘Dear Universal Father, thou who art in Heaven, in Your Compassion and Love for Your Urantian children, you have dared keep a merciful look upon us, we who are often distraught in this world of luciferian rebellion. We thank You wholeheartedly for not letting us down, but to come to our rescue by bringing back to Your Fold what is Yours. We all pray that these meetings between humans and Celestials, starting with to-day, the 15th of January 2019, may be succcessful under Your Own Care. AMEN’’

To all, you can duly add your prayer to Lemuel’s post if you feel bent to do so. Thanks

Transcribed from Lemuel’s audio transmission

Attending the meetings

Lemuel : Good afternoon everyone. I want to talk this afternoon about ‘Attending the meetings’. I am sure you’re all aware of the meetings taking place now to-morrow in York, in Ron’s house and we have been invited those who are able to attend, I wish to have been attendng myself but I have to cancel, but that really does not matter. I think we can all attend. All of us members and guests, we can all attend these meetings, we can be there in spirit, even if we cannot be there physically.

So, I would like you all to imagine, if you will, that we are all surrounding Ron Besser’s house, hand in hand, completely surrounding Ron’s property, at 2709 Sunset Lane. We can all be there, giving our support with our loving thoughts and our sincere prayers for the success of these meetings, so very important. So, I would like to say a special thanks to Ron Besser for everything that he has done on behalf of all of us and the tremendous physical suffering that he still has to support. How this man is still alive, I do not know ?

I would also like to thank Larry Gossett and Steven Gitz, and that my thoughts and prayers are with you for the all of this week, praying that you will be able to hold on and to do what is necessary, because I know it will be a very hard work for all of you, but I want you to know that the rest of us here on the forum, those who are willing to attend, we shall be there, hand in hand, surroundng you all at 2709 Sunset Lane and we shall stay for the duration of the meetings. I think it is a beautiful thought and I would like to think that all the members and guests would like to join and take part in attending these meetings.

So, this is just a short message this evening, inviting all the members and guests here to attend these meetings in York this week and I for one will definitely be there and I hope to see you all there to-morrow. Thank you all very much for listening, I bid you a good evening, bye-bye for now. Domtia

General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« on: January 14, 2019, 01:18:28 AM »
The countdown is on and rolling, on the eve of this ‘‘Grand Rendez-Vous’’ between humans and Celestials in York PA, where important decisions will be taken that will change, I hope for the best, Urantia’s course of history. We don’t know yet how many invitees there are to be in these gatherings, but I suspect that there are some who are already on the spot right now and I imagine that Ron will not be alone in organizing which I qualify to be a forthcoming ‘Spiritual Feast’, so as to make things going smoothly. However, our best wishes and prayers to all participants and with the Father’s blessing, may we hear good news soon. Domtia

Transcribed from Lemuel’s audio transmission

A time of uncertainty

Lemuel : Good evening everyone. Our talk this evening is simply about ‘A time of uncertainty’. Indeed now it is true to say that a time of uncertainty is upon us all. We are all fully aware of the upcoming meetings this week in York, the importance of which cannot be obtructed. It will certainly prove to be a before and after event that to some degree or another will form all of our lives for the future for all of us on the forum. It will certainly be a very interesting thing to see the results that we will see when these meetings end.

Speaking personally, I feel calm and assurance that all is well and this is normal for me because, as you all know, my Beloved and I are one, I am always with Him and He in me. It can be the same for each and everyone of you when you become ever mindful of the fact that He, your Beloved Indwelling, is you and He has been with you since your childhood and He should form part of every moment of your waking life. So, we have this time of great uncertainty upon all of us as we wait the outcome of these meetings in York and there is nothing that any of us can do, other than to pray for all those concerned, those in spirit, our Celestial Family and all those humans who will be there at York, taking part in these meetings.

So, dear brothers and sisters, I invite all of you to please be mindful now, constantly mindful of what is about to take place this coming week in York. As I mentioned in the beginning, the importance of these meetings cannot be over-estimated and so our prayers are needed and we do that clearly and sincerely with all our hearts and veins for the successful outcomes of these meetings.

It is also true to say that in any situation of uncertainty, there is also of course doubt, but doubt must never be allowed to grow into something fearful, not at all, we have nothing to fear. One can become doubtful over a particular outcome, but one should and can remain positive and pray again for the successful outcome of what is to take place.

So, although we all now face a time of uncertainty, but we can also take comfort in the knowledge and certainty that what will be, will be according to the Will of Father, and it will be done. We can rest and take comfort with that. Uncertainty at the moment is, but the final outcome, I am sure, will be according to the Will of Father. So, I leave you now this evening with these words and I hope that you can remain calm and peaceful. Enjoy the rest of the weekend that you have and we may all look forward to a successful week of meetings in York.

This is Lemuel, I thank you all for listening and I bid you all a good evening, bye-bye for now. Domtia

General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« on: January 12, 2019, 01:23:24 PM »
Thank you Ron, LarryG and al for sharing your thoughts about the up-coming meeting and I give my thanks also to Spirits who speak through Ron. It is reassuring to know that we are all part, members and guests, of this enormous endeavour, full of surprises in store. It is understandable that, for reasons of state, everything cannot be revealed for now, but I hope that we will learn more as time goes by. I love the idea of streaming a meeting, not to foolproof that it is real, but only for the pleasure to eyeview the participants and how it all comes about, so as we can say later on, for memories, that we have been there also via technology ; we are all longing for this moment to concretize.

@Ron, in relation to your illness, we have all heard it before that your pain will soon be ended and I hope – we all pray – that this time it will not be another hopeless promise ; it has lasted too long, there must be a remedy and I am confident that it will come to terms in one way or another. On another note, in every organization there is a head of staff to lead the way. Where there is a teamwork, there is a leader ; a leadership is needed to keep the team working together. Your status as a leader is not usurped, you are worth it for all you have achieved up to now and I personally feel comfortable with that. Domtia

General Discussion / The mid-january meeting
« on: January 12, 2019, 01:01:53 AM »
It is expected, apart from the three Commisionners, that there will be some guests attending the mid-january meeting in York which will be, apparently, a U-turn in the development as far as our participations in the Missions, for us members, are concerned. For those of us who will not be able to move on to York to attend this meeting and to witness, with a direct eyes-contact, what will be delivered by Spirits, I am just pondering about the possibilities of inaugurating, in advance of the presumably 31st january date, the phone gathering on that special occasion. We are just three days away, it is perhaps a bit too late to organize such a meeting, but I would like your feedback about this. Thanks and Domtia.

AUDIO TAPE Transmissions Here / Re: Audio Transmission / Don´t Panic!
« on: January 11, 2019, 11:58:47 PM »
Transcribed from Lemuel’s audio transmission

Don’t panic

Lemuel : Good evening everyone. Our talk this evening is simply entitled : ‘Don’t panic’. A following-on from yesterday’s transmission about ‘Obstacles’, we want to mention a situation where you are confronted with unsurmountable problem seemingly and you decide that you can do nothing about it, but you keep searching for a solution. You cannot stop thinking about it, you begin to worry about it and it becomes stressful. Sooner or later, it begin to panic a little that you may never find a solution to this problem. Well, you all know from previous experiences, I am sure, that when you have a seemingly no solution to a problem, you try to sleep on it at least, things generally are better in the morning when you slept on a particular problem.

I would like to illustrate something for you that perhaps would help. Imagine that you and your family are living in a beautiful bungalow which is a single story building and it is a time when one morning you wakeup to discover that you are completely snowed in. The snow has fallen during night times so heavily you cannot even open the front door to leave your house and so there is nothing to do. You have tools in your garage but you cannot leave the house to go to the garage, to get the tools, to clear the snow away. So, there is nothing to do, but of course you still worry about it, but luckily you have plenty of food and drinks and you are warmed inside your bungalow. You cannot leave, you are completely snowed in, so eventually you surrender to the situation, because in fact there is nothing else you can do.

So, imagine the situation of a family who has been snowed in for 72hrs, 3 days and 3 nights, without being able to leave their home and wakingup on the 4th morning only to find that the snow has melted, the temperature has risen and the snow has gone. So, what does this tell you ? It tells you that there are situations, there are problems that you simply cannot do anything about and there is no point whatsoever in getting stressful or even panicking by the fact that you are unable to do anything about it, you are helpless in that situation. Dear brothers and sisters, you can only surrender. If it is really true that there is absolutely nothing you can do about it, then surrender that situation and you will find eventually, sooner or later, the situation will resolve itself, exactly like the melting snow which allows the family, eventually, to leave their house after 3 days and 3 nights.

This is a simple illustration for you to understand that there are times when you simply cannot do anything about it and so simply surrender. Obstacles are put into your path as a learning process as we mentioned yesterday, but there are also lessons. So, the lesson to-day of course is when you really cannot do anything about it, then it is correct to do nothing because you have no options and so surrender to that, it is that simple. If there is nothing to do, it literally means that there is nothing you can do and so do not panic, accept the situation as it is presented to you and then simply surrender, be patient and the problem will go away.

Well here we are another Friday, the weeks go by so quickly, so I wish each and everyone of you a very pleasant weekend and I sincerely hope you will not be confronted with unsurmountable problem and trust that you will have the free and happy weekend. Thank you for listening, bye-bye for now. Domtia

General Discussion / Re: Michael and a Written Test For You
« on: January 11, 2019, 02:31:01 AM »
All along past ages, there have been some great characters who have left their footprints in human history for having demonstrated a high level of morality, and often times they have been inspired by the life of our Lord Jesus, but to-day, in our modern way of life, there is none among those wellknown personalities that are capable to follow His example. That being said, there are many, unknown to the medias or the general public, who are devoted to a particular cause, working undercover for the best of humanity and most of them can be part of the Missions by doing a great job. Domtia

AUDIO TAPE Transmissions Here / Re: Audio Transmission / Obstacles
« on: January 10, 2019, 03:48:10 AM »
Transcribed from Lemuel’s audio transmission


Lemuel : Good morning everyone. Our subject this morning is ‘Obstacles’, yes we should talk about obstacles. We all have to face them almost from the moment we are borned obstacles are put in our pathway and we have to deal with them. Well, you all know what I mean, when you are driving a car it is so pleasureable to see a clear road ahead and you can see it to the left, see it to the right and you do not have to worry, it is really an enjoyable experience, but life is not like that. You may have a clear road for about five minutes and then sure enough from somewhere there is an obstacle in front of you and you have to deal with it.

So, the subject this morning is obstacles and really how we can face them, our mental attitude, whilst facing them and this is the cracks of the matter, is not it ? The mental attitude that we have in front of any obstacle is how are we going to deal with it. Anytimes, you may be tempted to avoid it and you may be successful for a while, but as they say as sure as God makes little apples that problem will show up again and it will be even bigger than it was before, so there is no point for you trying to avoid an obstacle, because it will only grow and so you have to deal with it in the here and now.

Of course, with experience over the years, you come to realize that what you thought what indeed was a big problem for you so many years ago and now looking back over the years, you can sincerely say : thank God for that, yes because that problem taught me so many things, and you are so grateful for that problem. Also, you can say in other words, whatever happens to you in life is perfect, although obviously you do not see the perfection in a problem at the time you must confronted it, but later on, actually, you will see the perfection in it.

Well, when one goes further, one can say whatever happens to you, wherever you are and whoever you are with, it is always perfect, especially if you are able to consciously live in the here and now, you will come to realize that it is perfect and that you will lack nothing. Whatever you will do now, if you will listen to my words, stop for a moment, pause and ask yourself : is there something missing, do I need something ? The answer is : no, you do not, at that moment everything is perfect and so, life is like this. Obviously, the point is the most important thing is your mental attitude, your mindset, is it always positive or is it always negative or is it 50/50 ?

Well, I repeat, if you have reached the stage where you are living in the here and now, you would have come to the understanding that all is perfect, I mean that sincerely. If you are able to live fully here and now, you will understand that all is perfect and the problems that are put in front of you, probably on a daily basis, are there for a perfect reason for you to learn a lesson and so it goes, life is like this. So, whatever the obstacles – there will always be obstacles – but whatever they are, they are necessary lessons for you to learn as you go along life’s way.

So, once again, dear brothers and sisters here on the forum, I leave you with these few words this morning about obstacles and I trust and hope that in the future you are able to confront these obstacles in a new way, with a different mental attitude towards them. Thank you so much for listening, have a good day and hope to talk to you soon again, bye-bye for now.

Translating a text from one language to another can never adhere 100% to the entire wordings, it can be very controversial sometimes, because there is always in a translation a part of the feelings and sensitivity from the one who translates and Hathaway does not escape the rule, eventhough his version of the Lord’s Prayer from the original aramaic is poetical. An obvious example is that recently Pope Francis has ordained that the verse ‘‘lead us not into temptation’’ be changed to ‘‘abandon us not when in temptation’’ and approved by all the Roman Catholic Church in the world. Anyway, whatever the wordings, the main idea as taught by Jesus to His disciples about how to pray the Father is untouched. Domtia

Transcribed from Lemuel’s audio transmission

The Lord’s Prayer

Lemuel : Good morning everyone. This morning, I want to remind you all of the Lord’s prayer and I have been impulsed to this, this morning, from my Beloved and to add as a kind of follow-on from yersterday’s talking about knowing the enemy and the problems we are now facing, what to do with the Missions and the Urantia Foundation and we mention temptation and giving in to temptation which as we said yerterday is a very slippery slope and before you know, you slip down so far you cannot get back to your original position.

So, this morning, I think we need to be reminded of the beautiful and yet simple prayer that Jesus Himself gave us so many years ago and I can’t help asking myself how many youngsters to-day, not just they, how many people are there to-day who do not know the Lord’s prayer and there are many throughout the world, I am sure that have never heard of Jesus. Probably, there are many schools that never teach religions and may be there are two/three generations of people around the world that do not know anything about Jesus and His beautiful Lord’s prayer that He gave us.

In this modern times, we have so many gadgets, things that children play with – playstation, moble phones, pads, iphones. The youth of to-day is dominated by technology, information, globally at the hand with internet and I can’t help thinking to myself if only we could get back to some basics which for me are to be grounded in reality, simple basics and for me personally I would venture to suggest that we get back to a basic prayer – a simple, a beautiful prayer, the Lord’s prayer – and if we pray this with sincerity everyday, It will certainly help to keep us on a straight and narrow.

For those of you who do not know the Lord’s prayer I ask your indulgence, because I will now recite the Lord’s prayer for all of you and it is this :
Our Father who art in Heaven
Hallowed be Thy Name
Thy Kingdom come
Thy Will be done
On earth as It is in Heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from evil
For thy is the Kingdom, and the power and the glory
Forever and ever. AMEN

So, there it is, the beautiful Lord’s prayer and so I leave you with that this morning with the wish that all of you think about getting back to some basics in your life, some simple basics to help us all to be grounded again in what we know to be True, Beautiful and Good, all surrounded by Love and Jesus loved everyone, the whole of mankind and we should endeavour to be like Him and to do the same. Thank you all for listening, I bid you a very good day, bye-bye for now. Domtia

Transcribed from Lemuel’s audio transmission

Knowing the enemy

Lemuel : Good morning everyone. Our subject this morning is entitled : ‘Knowing the enemy’. I am sure you all by now are aware of the problems that we are facing with the possibility of litigation and all that means for the future and it is a sad affair because when the enemy has come from within one’s own ranks, so to speak, it is a terrible thing. It is indeed a rebellion and in fact a war that we now fight and no wars are pleasant. How is it possible, how can this situation come about ?

Well, you all know from reading the Urantia Book, the Lucifer rebellion, more than 200,020 yrs ago how that came about through arrogance, through self-agrandizement and so as we say here – man remains man and although in the beginning man has the most sincere of intentions to do what is good, to do what is right, but nevertheless as time goes by ego begins to assert itself and from the very first moment when someone gives in to that little first temptation it is the beginning of a very slippery slope and within a relatively short space of time you may find yourself unable to return to your previous status.

So, we have this situation with the Urantia Foundation and it is very unpleasant indeed, although it was seen coming, they were indecised of what was a fault, but attention was drawn elsewhere, but now it has returned and it must be addressed fully. In your gardens, when the weeds first appear a good gardener cuts them out immediately and does not allow them to take root and to grow, that is a big mistake. One must be strong and determine that no weeds shall never prosper in your garden. So, the good gardener is on maximum alert at all times.

Nevertheless, it is an easy situation when there are so many different activities taking place, so many things to arrange, so many difficult things, the problems that the Missions have had for years now to be up and running on Urantia and still they have not been resolved, because of problems from on high. There is very little that humans can do about that, but now we humans here have the problems as well and this is a fight, a war in fact that will take place and unfortunately it is a war that can take years before it is finally over, but we all hope and pray that this will not be the case, we hope and pray that the enemy will realize what it has done and accept its responsability.

We are all brothers and sisters and when any of us goes astray it is encumbered upon all of us to do all we possibly can to bring our errant brothers and sisters back into the fold, so to speak and we would like to think that there is still time for this. So, the situation now here is that the enemy has been recognized and it must be dealt with in a proper way. It is our intention this morning only to inform you and to alert you that this present situation needs all our prayers, all our positive thoughts to be brought to bear on this situation with the Urantia Foundation, it is so vitally important. Knowing your enemy is one thing, conquering your enemy is something else. We all hope and pray that a successful outcome may be obtained as quickly as possible.

This is all for this morning, I thank you all for listening, I bid you all a very good day. Domtia

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