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General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« Last post by wendy.winter on January 15, 2019, 08:32:08 PM »
@RonB, I delight in this type of discussion and applaud you for putting "transcendental (pre cause/pre creative) thinking' into a more workable perspective. You could not have done it more eloquently! Epochal revelation is the very key to unlocking this type of analytical thinking. Thank you! Wendy 

Occerpa you think deeply and I think well.  You are in my view attempting to understand the transcendental aspect of these Missions to Urantia, and you have it well but not the language for another one hundred to two hundred years.   I am giving you a peek behind your thoughts to tell you that, and that fact you can do it shows the Adjuster in you is really pulling out all the strings for you to play in transcendental thinking far before your time.

Let me pause a few moments and explain to the audience what transcendental thinking embraces.  It deals with what we call "PRE CAUSE;" that is, what happens before God acts to do a Mission with the perfection of purpose already in mind as to why He does it.   You address it quite well by pointing out that God in the case of Urantia, is beset with broken missions and then must reconfigure the broken passage ways back to the start of the problems that cause the other missions to fail.

Watch how God has to look past the carnage of the Lucifer Rebellion.  God is saying to Himself, "What got Lucifer so angry he had to teach God a lesson to get off his back?"  Then God must look at the beginning and translate not the effects of time but take a course for the cause Lucifer portrayed to start rebelling under what Lucifer, and we question this statement too, "decided was intolerable about divine process?"  Time is not involved at all in transcendental thinking, but motivation is, and we have yet to develop any language that removes that idea of time events to task and can assign the malevolency of Lucifer to self conditioning of himself over manufacturing a rebellion as a defense to save a part of the universe for himself from the rest of the universe?  This self conditioning of Lucifer from one kind of character to another type of character; i.e. from a loyal Son to a disloyal Son, is a search for some kind of precondition not seen on the surface of time causes.  And that kind of search is transcendental as it does not involve time except as evolution translates it into history.

You Occerpa deal thought now as to looking at Mission speak as a plan that had to originate pre cause and pre conditioning that lead to all we deal with now for the plans to approach today that somehow involves Ron Besser maybe turned into a super human that can handle twisted motivations of Lucifer.  Lucifer and his playmates now are well installed on Urantia in most of its people.  You and I cannot second guess the plan schemes motivation precisely,but we can look at the transcendental meaning of other plans God used on Urantia and why they failed and why this one will succeed using a precedence no one likes in spirit to do.   Spirit does not like holding hands with humans as one Mission, and then jump from their airplane with one parachute between them.  High spirit considers the plan mostly suicidal.  Local Universe Spirit holds it as at least a plan that has unknown consequences and looks to the Creator Son and the Paradise Trinity with Magisterial Sons to help. as usable if the human element is completely controlled.

Might I remind you Occerpa, I am totally human but angry?   Sound familiar to a transcendental thinker?  Lucifer defends not himself but the way the universe is ruled was an aberration based on the fact there was no Universal Father.  compare that drive to some of us who are angry at the way the epochal revelation on URANTIA is bungled.  Lucifer rebelled and started a civil war with get even anger.  Others on Urantia think too a war should be declared to get a divine Mission on Urantia to declare war righteously to clear mistake after mistake over the handling of epochal revelation meant to unlock Urantia spirit potential to eradicate the perpetuation of  default.

And you are right Occerpa, to ultimately believe that God adjusts epochal revelation through first belief, and then through the self proof of spirit attunement, and that is essentially what forum members have to adjust to themselves to get any sense out of this discussion forum.  This site reports the news first, then acts in ways to defend it with discussion questions and answers, and then leaves the forum member to their own thought devices to decide the validity as the importance for yet another Mission has had to rethink it self into the just right approach to our endless mistakes about the sense behind life origins and what it has to do to be successful.

These explanations are like your post, as this one and your post have to use time like language to explain planning that is transcendental and the transcendental is like a handful of water:  I defy you to hold any water in your hand long enough to fully drink of it.

General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« Last post by JuliodaLuz on January 15, 2019, 03:33:37 PM »
To Ron, Larry, Steven and everyone

This morning, January 15, 2019, I got the tourist visa at the American embassy in Brasilia (Brazil).

The information I had from the tourism office that I hired to assist with the tourist visa is that the passport with the tourist visa must be delivered in approximately 5 (five) days, ie probably around January 20 of 2019.

On the other hand, with the money I received from the normal vacation of work this January, 2019, I have already bought enough dollars for this trip.

My vacation will end on February 4, 2019, Monday.

However I booked 4 (four) vacation days that I can still use, meaning with 1 (one) day off there are 5 (five) business days. With two weekends, this period becomes 9 (nine) days that I can still use during the year 2019.

This information is important so I am SO READY for the trip to the US as soon as I am asked to make this trip, probably from January 20, 2019 until February 3, 2019 (Sunday).

On the other hand, I can take vacations on a few days, that is, 9 (nine) days for an eventual meeting in York, Pennsylvania, USA.

On the other hand, although I am not present, my prayers are to all of you, Ron, Larry, Steven, and other people you may have in York, Pennsylvania, in these days of meeting.

Finally, I repeat, my destiny is totally surrendered to God, Universal Father, in whatever service I have been given to do.

A big brotherly embrace to all,



A Ron, Larry, Steven e a todos

Hoje de manhã, 15 de janeiro de 2019,  eu consegui o visto de turismo na embaixada americana em Brasília (Brasil).

A informação que eu tive da assessoria de turismo que eu contratei para ajudar no visto de turismo é que o passaporte com o visto de turismo deve ser entregue em aproximadamente 5 (cinco) dias, ou seja, provavelmente, por volta do dia 20 de janeiro de 2019.

Por outro lado, com o dinheiro que recebi das férias normais do trabalho, deste mês de janeiro de 2019, eu já comprei dólares suficientes para esta viagem.

Minhas férias irão terminar no dia 04 de fevereiro de 2019, segunda-feira.

No entanto eu reservei 4 (quatro) dias de férias que eu ainda posso usar, ou seja, com mais 1 (um) dia de folga são 5 (cinco) dias úteis. Com dois finais de semana, este período se transforma em 9 (nove) dias que eu ainda posso usar durante o ano de 2019.

Estas informações são importantes, pois assim eu estou PRONTO para a viagem para os EUA, assim que eu for solicitado para fazer esta viagem, provavelmente, a partir do dia 20 de janeiro de 2019 até o dia 03 de fevereiro de 2019 (domingo).

Por outro lado, eu posso tirar ferias em  alguns dias, ou seja, 9 (nove) dias para eventual reunião em York, Pensilvânia, EUA.

Por outro lado, apesar de não estar presente, minhas orações são para todos vocês, Ron, Larry, Steven, e demais pessoas que por ventura  tiverem em York, Pensilvânia (EUA), nestes dias de reunião.

Por fim, eu repito, o meu destino é entregue totalmente a Deus, Pai Universal, em qualquer serviço que for a mim entregue para eu fazer.

Um grande abraço fraternal a todos,


General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« Last post by occerpa on January 15, 2019, 11:26:49 AM »
I feel, after having read what Father Michael comments on how little I understand about what I try to express, much more motivated to squeeze my neurons to the maximum, because at least it also lets me know that I am not so lost. The truth is that it does not surprise me because what I have been able to advance in this very arid terrain, I consider that it has been all as deserving of "previous lives". And it is no small thing to be able to hear from the same Sovereign Creator Michael of our Universe of Nebadon, that I have a first-class mind, which reaffirms my suspicions that the very fact of being a member of this exalted forum, is due to merits of "previous lives", because I have never considered myself different as an average human being. Because I understand that when Ron Besser jumps to clarify that he is a hundred percent human, he means that he is at the same time, one hundred percent divine.
The truth is that I would like to understand much more at my level, because I can glimpse the phenomenon of Ron Besser, that great adventure that speaks of the supreme art: the drama of the man who ascends in search of God and God who descends in search of man.
As nervous as Ron is at the moment, he is a guarantee for the success of the meeting in York, and much more with all our prayers from our heart. Thanks
General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« Last post by weydevu on January 15, 2019, 11:00:36 AM »
I share the feeling and aspirations of all on this forum and pray for a victorious meeting between mortals and celestials, that God's Will be done for the welfare of all children of light and these meetings will be the first steps of the foundation of removing the Luciferian and Caligastian virus that has affected this beautiful planet.


General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« Last post by AndresCohamiata on January 15, 2019, 10:10:39 AM »
Today has come.

Thank you dear Creator-maker and grandfather of all that is and will be. Thank you for the opportunity to have a universe in which to be and grow through expirience. Thank you for the accention career you have laid before all willing personalities so we can learn and develop what we need to understand. Thank you for the opportunity to study and participate in all the mantion worlds you and your creator sonship have laid out between us in the far reaches of this grand universe and you, at the center of it all. Thank you for the bliss we will expirience upon traversing this vast universe and finally meeting you. Thank you for the opportunity to gracefully join your corp of finaliters and serve this universe, as well as the future outer space, as many numerous personalities have served in order for us to be here. Thank you dear Lord of the cosmos for all the troubles and tribulations  that we stumble upon so we can magnify and potentialize our true motivation to join and serve your celestial family. Thank you, on this tuesday January 15, 2019, for the meetings to take place in York between celestials and humans for the purpose of the future and welfare of Urantia, our home planet. With all my heart, THANK YOU!

Dear Lord Michael and beloved Mother Spirit Nebadonia, I humbly ask on behalf of our sphere Urantia, and all personalities residing within. I ask for your help amd guidance so we can all learn how to love and share all you have provided for us. I ask for your help and guidance in managing our planetary resources so all can benefit and enjoy the fruits you have given us. I ask for your help and guidance so we can heal all illnesses, suffering, and unhappiness we have caused ourselves and one another. I ask for your help and guidance to repair our severed personal relationships as well as our local, national, and international relationships. I ask for your help and guidance towards our world leaders to increase their love and understanding of what it is they are doing to lead us into a peaceful state of being. I ask for your help and guidance for all personalities in this planet to show us the way into the divine. Lastly dear Lord Michael and Mother Spirit Nebadonia I ask for your help and guidance assisting and aiding our contact commision. I ask for Ron, Larry, and Steve to have the strength, resiliance, fortitude, stamina, resolve and love to see this meeting through. THANK YOU!! I LOVE YOU! 
Andres Cohamiata
General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« Last post by Ron Besser on January 15, 2019, 08:36:28 AM »
Thank you Clency for your feelings of support as well as to Lemuel for his help in making our meetings important to you and hopefully to others.  This is one of the few times I am nervous about these meetings as I am unsure about anything to be discussed or secured.  So your support and your care that these things are taking place has more weight than usual for us today.  I am unsure when I will let people know what is transpiring since there is a great deal, they say, to cover and I must wait sometimes to see what it means in context.   Thanks to all of you who are aware of these greetings from spirit and what they may have to say.  


"Ron has blown a gasket again over disappearing objects and let us know it is considered a psychic attack and he is not wrong.  You all are not involved with that side of spirit which defends its right to do anything it says is essential and we consider this work of taking objects unessential but pleasing to certain issues of spirit which hold that Ron is only a human and not worthy of any attention from spirit and he thoroughly disagrees with that as I do.

"Occerpa tried to bounce the idea of what Ron genuinely feels is transcendental thinking and to a certain extent it is as it does not deal with any time element, but we are now in the middle of a prayer that hopes against hope that Ron is not sabotaged off our team by our own intemperance.  He blames me for not controlling these acts of robbery, but I have nothing to do with it.  Our meeting today is to get started with the Magisterial Foundation, and to prepare what it should do shortly as these Missions are now running without being seen by humans at all and that must change shortly for lots of reasons.  I am truly sorry Ron gets hit so hard and has all the pain without let up and it is a miserable life to perpetuate.  I am Michael and wish you all a good day, and I will have Ron do a summary at the close of today so you know what was picked on and what is transpiring to the extent I many do so.  Michael of Nebadon."


"Your Ron are in a foul mood and that costs nothing to smile a little today as you see us closing off options over your dead body, and maybe so, but you are not alone in trying to decipher Father actions on Urantia that are hard to personally take.  You are burning your leg muscles greatly and the Adjuster is in a foul mood with you and you will not take it and say so.  That makes them double down and you are double downed on for spicing up our work with no real reward over who hears what.  Be assured that you Clency and a few more are truly worthy of being included, but most are just ho humming their way to not much over these actions that takes so much money and planning and time for what?  You will see much more after today Ron and to the degree we can share them with you on this forum, we will do so for Lemuel and Clency and Sue and whoever else is there for us.  Mother Spirit of Nebadon."

TRANSLATIONS / Re: Wiadomoci po polsku (Posts in Polish)
« Last post by Andre_P on January 15, 2019, 08:24:55 AM »
Te same wiadomości po angielsku :
1) Przekazał/ Nagr : Lemuel, członek-bohater
Kategoria / Temat : Przekazy dźwiękowe / Przekaz dźwiękowy / Uczestnictwo w spotkaniach
« 5 stcznia 2019, godz. 11:04:14 »

Mówca : Lemuel
Temat : Uczestnictwo w spotkaniach
Miejsce : Girona, Katalonia, Hiszpania
Data/Godzina : 14 sty. 2019 r. , 17:04 czasu miejscowego, 16:04 UTC

Link do nagrania dźwiękowego :

2) Napisał : Clency, członek-bohater
« Odpowiedż nr 1, 14 stycznia 2019 r., godz. 12:40:26 »
Zapis przekazu dźwiękowego Lemuela

Uczestnictwo w spotkaniach

Lemuel : Dzień dobry. Tego popołudnia chcę mówić na temat "Uczestniczenia w spotkaniach". Jestem pewien, że wszyscy wiecie o spotkaniach, które zaczną się jutro w Jorku, w domu Rona i my zostaliśmy zaproszeni, ci, którzy są w stanie wziąć udział. Ja chciałem wziąć udział, ale muszę to odwołać, ale to naprawdę nie ma znaczenia. Myślę, że wszyscy możemy uczestniczyć. My wszyscy jako członkowie i goście, wszyscy możemy uczestniczyć w tych spotkaniach, możemy być tam w duchu, nawet jeśli nie możemy tam być fizycznie.

Chciałbym więc, żebyście wszyscy sobie wyobrazili, jeśli zechcecie, że wszyscy otaczamy dom Rona Bessera trzymając się za ręce i otaczając posiadłość Rona przy 2709 Sunset Lane. Wszyscy możemy tam być wspierając naszymi pełnymi miłości myślami i naszymi szczerymi modlitwami o powodzenie tych spotkań, tak bardzo ważnych. Dlatego chciałbym specjalnie podziękować Ronowi Besserowi za wszystko, co zrobił dla nas wszystkich, pomimo ogromnego fizycznego cierpienia, które wciąż musi znosić. Nie wiem, jak ten człowiek jeszcze żyje ?

Chciałbym również podziękować Larry'emu Gossettowi i Stevenowi Gitzowi i powiedzieć im, że moje myśli i modlitwy są z wami przez cały ten tydzień, modląc się o to, żebyście mogli wytrwać i zrobić to, co konieczne, bo wiem, że to będzie bardzo ciężka praca dla was wszystkich, ale chcę, żebyście wiedzieli, że reszta z nas tutaj na forum, ci, którzy są chętni uczestniczyć, będziemy tam, ręka w rękę, otaczając was wszystkich na 2709 Sunset Lane i pozostaniemy tam przez cały czas spotkań. Myślę, że to piękna myśl i chciałbym myśleć, że wszyscy członkowie i goście chcieliby dołączyć i wziąć udział w tych spotkaniach.

To tylko krótka wiadomość tego wieczoru zapraszająca wszystkich tutejszych członków i gości na te spotkania w Jorku w tym tygodniu, a ja na pewno tam będę i mam nadzieję, że zobaczę tam was wszystkich jutro. Dziękuję wam bardzo za wysłuchanie. Życzę wam dobrego wieczoru i do widzenia na razie. Domszia

3) Napisał : Clency, członek-bohater
« Odpowiedż nr 2, 15 stycznia 2019 r., godz. 01:00:25 »

No i nadszedł 15-ty stycznia 2019 roku, pamiętna data do ksiąg i jak to sugeruje Lemuel w swojej mowie powyżej, stwórzmy krąg pozytywnej energii podczas tych spotkań, łącząc się wszyscy razem w modlitwie w myślach i w ten sposób okazując nasze uczestnictwo w duchu. Oto moja modlitwa :

"Drogi Ojcze Wszechświata, Ty, który jesteś w Niebie, w Twym Współczuciuiu i Miłości dla Twoich Dzieci na Urantii, zechciałeś spojrzeć na nas z miłosierdziem, na nas często zrozpaczonych na tym świecie buntu Lucyfera. Dziękujemy Ci z całego serca za to, że nas nie opuściłeś, ale przyszedłeś nam na ratunek przywracając na Twoje łono to, co Twoje. Wszyscy modlimy się, aby te spotkania ludzi z Niebiańskimi zaczynające się dzisiaj, 15-tego stycznia 2019 r., mogły się udać pod Twoją własną opieką. AMEN''

Do wszystkich : Możecie odpowiednio dodać swoją modlitwę do mowy Lemuela, jeśli macie na to ochotę. Dzięki
General Discussion / Re: The mid-january meeting
« Last post by Clency on January 15, 2019, 01:16:59 AM »
Eventhough, the invitations to attend the mid-January meetings have been declined for whatever reasons, as it is pointed out in Lemuel’s yesterday audio transmission, we can all show our interest and mark our presence in spirit, by joining in a prayer ; just follow the link. Domtia
AUDIO TAPE Transmissions Here / Re: Audio Transmission / Attending the meetings.
« Last post by Clency on January 15, 2019, 01:00:25 AM »
Here we are, the 15th of January 2019, a memorable date for the book and as it is suggested by Lemuel in his post above, let us create a circle of positive energy during these meetings, by joining in a thoughtful prayer all together and by so doing we show our attendance in spirit. Here is my prayer :

‘‘Dear Universal Father, thou who art in Heaven, in Your Compassion and Love for Your Urantian children, you have dared keep a merciful look upon us, we who are often distraught in this world of luciferian rebellion. We thank You wholeheartedly for not letting us down, but to come to our rescue by bringing back to Your Fold what is Yours. We all pray that these meetings between humans and Celestials, starting with to-day, the 15th of January 2019, may be succcessful under Your Own Care. AMEN’’

To all, you can duly add your prayer to Lemuel’s post if you feel bent to do so. Thanks
« Last post by CharlesL on January 14, 2019, 02:12:26 PM »
Dreams last night / this morning. One was about a huge ancient "apartment building". It was like the ancient Pueblo complexes, but it was a single high-rise building, and the different families in it were Chinese. I thought I might be living there.
Other dream involving Jesus. It was that he chose a child to become a leader or something. There was a group of people and he asked for any to volunteer their children, and one mother offered her daughter, a baby, as if she didn't want her, and then Jesus took the child and appointed her.
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