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Hi prozonov, 

I just verified the link and the web page and both are working fine. Please try it again. It was probably just a temporary issue with your internet connection or your browser.

I assure everyone that the Master Universe Diagrams are still available and the web page is working fine. They are hosted on secure and robust servers and we have never experienced problems with the host company and their service.

So if anyone else experiences difficulties, please verify your own connection and equipment first. Checking to see if you can access several other web sites will confirm whether your internet connection is working properly or not. As well, it is wise to close your web browser once in a while and start up a fresh one, and also to reboot your computer when you start experiencing problems. You should also scan your computer for viruses, malware and other nefarious code on a regular basis, as the internet is a very dangerous place that way and it is easy to pick up something problematic.

There is one issue that has been reported to me a number of times already and that has to do with keeping this forum open for along time in your browser. There appears to be a memory leak in the forum code and after it's up on your computer for a while it starts using up too many of your computer's resources and that greatly slows down your computer, to the point where it will eventually run out of resources and freeze up or crash. I cannot confirm that this happens on all platforms, but it is clear that it happens on the Windows and Linux platforms. Another thing that I'm still trying to figure out is whether this happens for Guests and logged in members, or just for logged in members.

Perhaps the Admin could look into this issue and try to find a way to resolve it.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention prozonov as it affords us an opportunity to address these issues in a positive and timely manner.

Bryan
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General Discussion / Re: Support of the Missions
« Last post by andi on January 13, 2018, 12:44:13 PM »
Hi Michel.  Thanks for posting this informative aspect of discernment.  It looks to be only a partial post.  Can you post the link for the full write up?  Thanks Michel.

Yes, talking/TRing about the geo-sociological perspective factors of this planet are a very different subject matter than personally directed or instructional TRs.  Understanding the simple questions of discernment should be a prerequisite.  

Again, very informative Michel.  Thanks
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General Discussion / Re: REMOTION -RePosted with original Doc R revelation 2013
« Last post by newstarsaphire on January 13, 2018, 11:46:19 AM »
Thank you for sharing this study material Ron, it is much appreciated and very interesting and I thank all our universe family for enlightening us and enabling us to not only grasp but process what they provide.  What a privelege it is to be given these opportunities to learn and grow and expand our abilities to comprehend the vastness of creation and the largess of our Creator.

Domtia
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General Discussion / Re: Support of the Missions
« Last post by Michel on January 13, 2018, 11:41:01 AM »
Regarding one of the subjects that has been discussed here lately, I would like to bring you Monjoronson's point of view on the aspect of discernment.

This was published in 2013 and could very well apply to all of us:


The key terms of discernment


MONJORONSON: They must use the key terms of discernment. Who benefits from this information? Who gets a return on these transmissions? Is there some egoistic benefit to the one who brings this through? Is there some financial improvement in his life? Is he the “adored-one” of many devotees? Does this one experience or express a guru complex? What is the return here? Is this to be simply a communication device that is neutral, to bring through information, or is there some aggrandizement for himself, or is there some means by which he strives to bring fear and control into the minds of others? These are simple questions of discernment. Is there a benefit, or is there a fear factor? In the vast, vast majority of all the transmissions that have come through this one and through many other TR’s, they are hopeful; they provide guidance; there are lessons for how to live spiritually in attunement with God and with their Thought Adjuster and with their fellow brothers and sisters. They are not fear-based—even those which came through this one discussing the cataclysms that are to come, the intention of which was not to generate fear in individuals, but a true appreciation of the slow evolutionary dynamics of a society that is approaching ruin and disintegration. These are real factors in societies and in civilizations that have occurred, not just once or twice in the history of the earth, but dozens and hundreds of times in cultures and civilizations on this planet that have come to nothing, that have disintegrated.


The fragility of our world


You do not need to be a visionary or futurist or a highly competent financial manager to understand that your world now is extremely fragile. It is in many ways susceptible to even the most modest difficulties that can be generated on a planet either by its inhabitants or by the geophysical environment. Discern carefully; the most important aspects of our teaching are to discern. You will find that discernment was not ready, or broadly taught in the early decades of these movements, but now it is highly important as you as inhabitants of this difficult world must sort out what is real and what is not; what is truth and what is not. Truth is what lasts; the truth is what is sustainable; truth, honesty and authenticity and the core values of life are sustainable—these are what we emphasize. Consistency is our hallmark.


The art of “knowing” truth


MONJORONSON: You can only KNOW by having had the experience yourself. It would be helpful if there were references to “knowing” (put that in quotes, please) in prior transcripts if you can find them. Until you can “know,” as a morontial, and as a spiritual being knows another person, then you will have to use the skills of discernment to find those bits of evidence which aggrandize this one, or in which he uses his language and ego to cause fear in others, so that he can be in control as an authority figure and dominate you. If these are not visible or not available, then you can assess that the transmissions accurately represent the celestial or Divine Being who is speaking through him.
This is the same as any other transmitter or TR. You must consistently, constantly use these skills of discernment to know who is truly speaking to you. And, even when one is speaking to you who is truly not a transmitter, you must also apply those same rules of discernment to the message coming from the celestial, spiritual or divine being. This is simply good, common sense in becoming as a traveler on the ascendant spiritual path. You know from your reading of “The Urantia Book,” that spiritually evolved created beings, such as Planetary Managers and Lanonandeks, were deeply powerful spiritual beings, who were taught in the truth of eternity by God, yet they chose to use their own egos to instill fear or wrong leadings to mortals and to lesser spiritual beings. Therefore, we constantly urge you to be on the watch for discerning those fragments that are not consistent with the Source that is speaking.

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General Discussion / Re: REMOTION -RePosted with original Doc R revelation 2013
« Last post by Dorian on January 13, 2018, 08:11:41 AM »
Thank you Ron for taking the time to post this wonderful (and deep) message for all of us to study.  I have to admit that it got this old brain thinking pretty deep.  I thought for a moment I wouldn't be able to come back to the surface for air.  But I made it.  This is one of those to print up for further study. (Deeper Study).

Bless you and please keep up  the good work.

Dorian
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General Discussion / REMOTION -RePosted with original Doc R revelation 2013
« Last post by Ron Besser on January 12, 2018, 10:26:26 PM »

Motion & Remotion
Original Doc R (ABC Summaries)

“REMOTION” was an extraction from Doc R and as such was in a different context than what Kurt took from the Daynal web site. Beware of materials posted there as they are edited sometimes from the original and as such are not acknowledged as being edited by Rob Davis.

Definitions to help you through this revelation given below by Master Spirits One, Three, Four, and Five:

Remotion - Simply stated, God takes what the Supreme did in the time universes, and then reruns the solutions for actions in time and reimposes a new starting point in them and realizes a new outcome. The Ultimate can take the Lucifer Rebellion and do at least 70 quadrillion solutions where the Supreme had only 1,500 solutions as linear events. Remotion just refers to taking the motions of the Supreme and running them through a new computer for additional solutions.

Experiential Trinities - The Father has to integrate all that goes on in time and in space with the perfection of infinity. Now lets not get deeply into the definition infinity but realize it is without motion. It does not have to solve anything as it is already solved from all space and time experiences and more. The Father must coordinate everything that is NOT infinite with everything that IS infinite and the grand combination to do that is the Trinity. The Trinity has conquered time by having non-infinite Trinities press up all they learn to the infinite Trinity. God the Supreme has his Trinity with the Creator Sons and Ancients of Days and so on. God the Ultimate has his Trinity to send to Paradise too what he learns in the outer space levels. These two little Trinities are not infinite but are called sub-absolute and they are experiences sent up for infinite integration all that is. The Urantia Book calls the little Trinities with the big Trinity the Trinity of Trinities.



Supreme-Ultimate - This is the working combination of God the Supreme and God the Ultimate teaming up to produce the creation of the outer space levels for the first two layers. The Ultimate and the Supreme form this perfect union just as the Father-Son did and so on, to make sure there is no difference of opinion between two competing Deities and that they are fully aware of what the other will do to create new life in the first two outer space levels. The Supreme is in the first outer space level as a partner to God the Ultimate so He has a place to start remotioning the Supreme’s work.
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Here is the link to the original document NOT fully posted on the Daynal site.

Link PDF DOC R
https://app.box.com/s/q9ty0g2egr785rkh1dty





Master Spirit One, Voice of the Father:

I am Siraya; The Scribe has requested of me to explain just how the Paradise of Alpha becomes the Paradise of Omega through adjustments of Fifth Outer Space Level and Non-Space Extension. The answer is that space is a comprehensive leash on time, and as such the leash is removed after Outer Space Level Four. Then space becomes a convenience of extrapolation, moving what was once constrained into the objective reality of that which is no longer constrained. When I say “constrained by time,” I mean that which time has constrained already in the superuniverses, because the Supreme has conditioned all reality as it relates to the Four Outer Space Levels, and only after God the Ultimate shares these Supreme concepts and retools them into eventuated reality, does the space stream relinquish its control.



MOTION & REMOTION: SUPREMACY & ULTIMACY
Motion is the primary expression of God the Supreme. Remotion is the primary expression of God the Ultimate. The difference between them is critical to understand why the Supreme synthesizes the relationship between matter and spirit in order to control spirit and matter, and following on from the Supreme, why God the Ultimate may transcend the separation of spirit and matter without time motion (i.e. the need for sequence).


The Supreme-Ultimate fashions its reality by two additional elements besides time and space. These are, motion and remotion. Remotion is the act of taking back and reissuing conditions until they reach synchrony with what has been potentially and pre-eternally established by Paradise Deity. With the Ultimate working through the Deity Absolute that which is potential or before eternity is seized as the raw material of emerging values in subordinate life forms in the outer space levels and once matured, such Ultimate accomplishments are established on Paradise with the Trinity Absolute. (Ron’s note 01/12/18 - The other name for this Trinity is the Second Experiential Trinity)


God the Ultimate can do this while the Supreme can not. The Supreme’s motion is nearly always linear - a line or string of events that come to an end or start something new. God the Ultimate runs things differently. In Ultimacy, events are fashioned from pre-existing conditions from the Supreme, and then the Ultimate remotions them (or puts back into motion as a recombination of those circumstances that resulted in the value first being expressed by the Supreme) as an experiment to obtain results one way, and then run another way, until the results actually produce the perfect solution for that particular experiment. This process is one of remotion. Remotion results in an eventual solution devoid of further development. It is as though the Ultimate can wring out the cloth the Supreme had hung out to dry and find a wealth of new meaning to splash before the eyes of a growing universe.


Remotion is directed toward and vitalizes all absonite growth under the Ultimate. The Supreme has no choice but to enter into those motions already established by First Cause. Here is illustrated just why the absonite precedes the finite, for it is in the transcendental conditions in Havona that there is found the original motion that pre-wires the superuniverses with the neural network of finite preconditions that the Creator Sons must acknowledge when they prepare to establish their local universe domains. These Havona contributions are the pre-existing conditions in absonite transcendency that prepare the finite creations to explore the maximum expressions of the qualification of infinity. The Supreme in working through the materials of original motion to obtain time values cannot invent any motion other than what First Cause established as the initial surge of energy toward some finite objective. These neural controls (which are resulting from space limitations built into the absonite or transcendental over controls of space in the superuniverses) as limitations are built into the superuniverses in the present age of God the Supreme.


Remotion is possible where sequence has no meaning and is highly effective in obtaining results that exceed the limits of Supreme integration of time. The Supreme must always work from the beginning to end in a forward motion while the Ultimate through remotion may start anywhere in between and play it out in a numberless repetition until all values are realized and had been without spiritual highlight in the Supreme. Those who know mathematics know this to permutations, and the Ultimate is an expert at performing rapid calculations of any possibility to exhaust or predict outcomes essential for perfection in space. The Ultimate has the luxury of being able to restart all finite values from nearly an unlimited number of revisions. Remotion is inherent in Ultimacy as sequence is inherent in the Supreme.


We now are able to explain something about how the Supreme-Ultimate combination works with Paradise Deity. If we take the fact of Supremacy as a completed experiment, then we have in place those time experiments which have succeeded. Not only have we successful outcomes from the Supreme to replay as fuel for God the Ultimate to remotion and experiment with, the Supreme outcomes have benefited by their perfection through the Paradise Trinity to universalize them to every sector of time. God the Ultimate revitalizes the products of the perfected time experiments of the Supreme and re-experiences them by recombining the Supreme’s contribution with the Ultimate’s thought and exercise of transcendation. We may use a crude example of what this adds by saying it is something like adding more eyes to a sentient being to see the hidden structures of space itself. The Supreme sees the universe laterally; i.e., from left to right and up and down; the Ultimate sees the universe as a convex ball of structure in which he may change the structural matrix inside the ball to improve the life [durability] of the ball.


The results are space limited, but they are also space conditioned and therefore sub-Absolute. The values the Supreme finalized are the Ultimate’s starting points to produce totally new concepts subject to infinite integration toward God the Absolute’s (spaceless without losing space conditioning) realization. None of the Supreme experiments or the Ultimate’s remotions are possible without the interposition of the Paradise Trinity and the personal association with experiential Deity with the Paradise Deities themselves.


In Paper 10 Section 5 of the Urantia Book we learn that,


“The functions of the Paradise Trinity are not simply the sum of the Father’s apparent endowment of divinity plus those specialized attributes that are unique in the personal existence of the Son and the Spirit. The Trinityassociation of the three Paradise Deities results in the evolution, eventuation, and deitization of new meanings, values, powers, and capacities for universal revelation, action, and administration. Living associations, human families, social groups, or the Paradise Trinity are not augmented by mere arithmetical summation. The group potential is always far inexcess ofthe simple sum of the attributes of the component individuals.” Eventuation is the term also used to describe the absonite in your text and if the reader would also substitute the word “remotion” [for the word absonite realizing that absonite has one other attribute and that it is truly spaceless], in the quote above and as remotion is defined above, a more understandable definition of the process will emerge.



The Paradise Deities view the Ultimate as finished with all of these experiments but also accept that they must be experientialized during a Universe Age just as the Supreme was allowed a Universe Age to finish the time experiments to perfect time values and hand them over to the Ultimate one day. God the Ultimate with God the Supreme in ways not entirely understood even by the highest revelators are then personalized together as the Deity union of the Supreme-Ultimate within the Second Experiential Trinity formed around this monistic point of experiential power. It is upon this amazing feat of power materialization and spirit synthesis realized within the prerogatives of the First Person of Deity to make it so; that all the universes in the Master creation of space may reach the status of absolute conditioning.


END EXCERPT


January 12, 2018 - Mantutia Melchizedek wishes to add comments to the excerpt above and comments on my definitions at the top to help you through the weeds of high revelation presented by the excerpt here.


MANTUTIA MELCHIZEDEK - WRITER OF PAPERS 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 122, AND 112 - AND CHAIRMAN OF THE FIRST REVELATORY COMMITTEE THAT PRODUCED THE FIRST URANTIA BOOK.


COMMENTS:
“This is Mantutia Melchizedek. I am not happy with Ron’s definitions above but he has stubbed his toe on people like Rob Davis and Kurt who have no sense of the subject well enough for them to understand what they played with by not fully providing the paper that explains REMOTION.

“I for one dislike the idea of little Trinities but he is giving you a comparison between infinity and something a lot less like infinity in the word “little.” It works okay that way.

“Further there is no real definition for Infinity except as Ron provided it to you above. If you can remember what he said and how he said it you have a fair definition as we see it too. Otherwise you just add cracker crumbs to it by saying anything else.

“I detest the term Supreme-Ultimate since it seems to add nothing to what it tells you, Ron swiped at it to give you an insight into how it functions and that should be enough to easily what Siraya wrote to him in 2013, not 2011 or 2012 as Kurt thought it was written.

“Finally, this paper is useless for the next Urantia Book because we redo the entire idea of remotion which Ron really likes and I do not. Otherwise we are stuck with the term “ABSONITE,” which is a jaw breaker because it loses definition every time we go to use it. As Ron says, the ABSONITE is mostly REMOTION, but one has to remember that the ABSONITE is more than Remotion. The other Ron finds troubling is “EVENTUATION” as that was my addition to help break the word Absonite down but it fails to help much as it does not tell you what is being eventuated or how it does it. Remotion tells you how the Ultimate replays the Supreme solutions and adds them to the integration of reality on the infinite level.

That concludes my remarks today.”
END

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Threads for New Transmissions / Stay Open To New Ideals
« Last post by Lundco on January 12, 2018, 09:52:13 PM »
Speaker: Jack 0802AB B*
Subject: Stay Open To New Ideals
Category: New Transmissions
T/R: Roger Lund
Location: Wichita, KS
12 Jan 2018, 12:00 PM, CST
Jack 0802AB B*-
      Jack here with empathy for the cold weather that has moved into many parts of the world, as older bodies do not care for extreme cold. But people persevere and get done what needs doing. You on the forum have had your ups and downs over issues of faith and trust, but most seek their Thought Adjuster's wisdom and the Spirit of Truth to find the answers they need. Some will fall by the wayside and doubt most all transmissions, if they can't do it, it does not work and others who do, are wrong. It is understandable, however unfortunate so many feel this lack of faith in their ability to receive. There are many who will learn the skill and help the Magisterial Mission get important information out when needed.
    Do practice and continue to have faith all is well with the plans to implement the Magisterial Mission for the betterment of mankind. Let not your impatience bear fruit that benefits no one. Being skeptical of a confused and dishonest media is understandable it places one in a sphere of distrust in many things of truth, beauty and goodness, if not tempered by loving thought and faith. At times it is easier to doubt than believe the truth, stay open to new ideals that shine light on the values of truth, beauty and goodness. These values are all around you if you look.   Later, Jack
       
        
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You are like a blast from the past Andy! You showed up here, then soon vanished out of sight, and now you suddenly pop up again. It's nice to see some activity from you again. The forum can sure use it. We seem to lose members faster than we can get them. Anyway that's a topic of discussion for another thread. These are all stellar ideas you are offering Andy! Thanks for expressing yourself so clearly and fully. You are correct in saying that these Master Universe Diagrams attract very little attention from forum members. The stats from our web master confirm this right from the beginning. The majority of traffic to the site is from the same very small group of people checking for updates regularly. In other words those who like them seem to like them a lot and the rest don't care. Also I can mention that most traffic to the site merely looks at the web page and never downloads the diagrams. By digging a little deeper into the stats we can also discern that not all traffic is from forum members, as we also advertise outside of the forum quite a lot. So all this to say that there is but a very small percentage of forum members interested in this stupendous revelation and the incredible future if offers them.

Checking the membership stats for this forum clearly shows that there is very little real membership activity. Most of the membership accounts have been inactive for so so long that my Team regards them as dead or nearly dead accounts, at least from the perspective of the Master Universe Diagrams. Facebook is proving to be much more fruitful. Ditto for word of mouth and personal emailing.

I'll leave you to ponder what the reason could possibly be for such a formidable lack of interest over something that fits this forum like a well tailored suit.

I mentioned in my announcement that we are indeed working on a number of other projects, and some of them are indeed in line with some of your publishing suggestions, but it is too premature for me to even hint at what these are right now, other than to say that some of it will likely be supplementary material to the Master Universe Diagrams.

Truth be told, publishing is not our main concern in regards to the Missions and ushering in the days of Light and Life. All matters relating to sustainability are far more important than publishing diagrams. Good progress is being made in several areas but much much more needs to be done. As you all know we are a planet ravaged by endless wars, and millennia of incessant wars has destroyed most of the best that man has created for himself. We are in a horrible state of affairs as far as preservation is concerned, and of all the things our civilization needs the most, wisdom is at the very top of the list, yet this planet does not have a single system for preserving wisdom in a useful and long term way.

We currently have 10 Paradise Bestowals assigned to this planet!! It is unprecedented we are told. Yet it will be utterly worthless if our cultures and civilization cannot start consuming a steady and plentiful diet of Truth Beauth and Goodness so that healing and positive growth forward can take place. Even if we had 1000 Bestowals here right now it would all be useless unless Truth Beauty and Goodness can once and for all be allowed to take center stage and flourish. Even the Paradise Sons themselves cannot promote life where there is no fertile ground in which life can grow.

God bless President Donald Trump for his valiant effort at eradicating the scourge of Fake News, so that Truth can have a fair chance.
God bless Vladimir Putin for his valient effort to cleanse our God inspired internet from the scourge of crime, spying, and predators. It is a Beautiful thing he is doing.
God bless Xi Jinping for his valient effort to rebuild our planetary monetary system and to institute a global financial Jubilee so that all our crushing and debilitating debts can be erased and we can all have a fresh start and a fair chance at supporting ourselves and our families again so we can all prosper fairly. It is a very Good thing he is doing.

As mentioned in the original announcement anyone wishing to contact the me and the Team can easily do so in total confidence by using the link at the bottom of the Master Universe Diagrams web page.

I remain in Father's service,
Bryan
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Thank you so much Lemuel and Ocilliaya for such a well timed message of hope and guidance.  It almost feels like you are talking directly to me as Ron and Wendy have both been telling me the same thing.  Get out of my head and into my heart.  I thank my lucky stars and of course my heavenly Father that these two wonderful friends have not given up on me yet.
Thanks again Ocilliaya and I look forward to communicating with you personally soon.

Dorian
Domtia
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I spoke my thoughts clearly.  We received ADDITIONAL diagrams yesterday, so I've been able to spend much time with the others already presented on their site. ::)
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