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Ron wrote: "If the Almighty Supreme were fully present Urantia would not collapse under changes to tectonic plates."


Ahaaa! This is a major point and revelation to convey throughout Urantia, as this easily explains why so far we are in an imperfect cosmos, but this cosmos housing the seven superuniverses will some day be secured and in Light and Life indefinitely.



Ron, I will revert to you, because the food is very heavy for consumption so I need to go slowly to grasp it all. I'm reading the lines one by one. Be around don't go so far!
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Ron: The Deity of the Supreme is one person.  At the moment he is prepersonal and that will exist as it is until he factualizes as God the Supreme on Uversa to rule the time-space universes.


When God the Supreme begins ruling the time-space universes, what will become of the Ancients of Days? Is there a promotion in their career and what will be the relation between God the Supreme and them should they remain at their positions?
I will come back.


RON: I hardly know but I can presume upon the Deity Absolute who might know the answer:

The DEITY ABSOLUTE - "We know that the pressures to go on for the Ancients of Days is sufficient to change their rule on Uversa, but like Ron, the destiny of these Trinity Creations is totally up for revisions in the future and they are quite happy to be Ancients of Days until God the Supreme has to tell them otherwise, and then it will be in keeping with their great dignity and heart they have for the creatures in time and space.  This is all I can tell you Assale, and it is a very good questions without a very good answer right now.  The Deity Absolute signs off.:

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Ron, I run the risk of having egg on my face, but it is necessary for me when delving into the I AM revelation.  You ask: "What do you imagine comes out of this?  What is this reorganized reality?".  My 'egg on the face' perception is; from this comes Space Babies, now matured to navigate the space of service of a reorganized reality.  The goal post for these Finaliters has therefore moved beyond spaceless Paradise.  Wendy

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Wow, so this new enlightenment of  "Finalitor purpose"... Outerspace zone five into infinity, without any rebellions by past justification, creations on God the Ultimate level... Buuudaahhh! I'm in!
Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore. Andre Gide (1869-1951)

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For French members, seen the importance of the lesson revealed about the I AM, I found it necessary that you should have the following in French for better understanding.
Good reading.


1. Y a-t-il une différence entre Dieu le Suprême et l'Être suprême?

Ron: La Déité du Suprême est une personne. Actuellement il est pré personnel et il existera tel qu'il est jusqu'à ce qu'il se factualize comme Dieu le Suprême sur Uversa pour gouverner les univers de l'espace-temps. Le Tout-Puissant Suprême est le côté matériel de Dieu le Suprême, car c'est la partie du Suprême qui domine l'énergie fugace et les explosions et les accidents terribles de la terre sur les planètes évolutionnaires. Si le Tout-Puissant était pleinement présent, Urantia ne s'effondrerait pas sous les changements apportés aux plaques tectoniques.

Dieu le Suprême est tout sauf le Tout-Puissant Suprême et est le cerveau derrière la Suprématie. Il est Dieu quand il perd son statut pré personnel sur Havona dans le troisième circuit où Il tient une place de beauté incroyable. Et comme le Père l'est déjà, sa nature combinée du Tout-Puissant et les usages personnels de la Suprématie comme Dieu le Suprême, se fondent dans une puissante entité du temps qui surpasse la capacité de connaître Dieu comme nous le faisons actuellement.

2. Dieu l'Absolu  est-il différent du Père?

Dieu est unique! C'est un fait que vous devez toujours garder à l'esprit. Cependant le Père souhaite diversifier tout jusqu'à ses plus petites parties pour expérimenter toutes les parties que nous pouvons. Il a donc distingué les parties de Lui-même en sept unités de base qui font des choses différentes, de sorte que, pour la plupart, son opération devienne transparente pour apprendre de lui et pour le connaître. Ces actions de déité de ce que nous appelons les sept Absolus représentent tout ce que Dieu fait pour agrandir et régler le Maître Univers. L'Absolu de la Déité est le potentiel de ce que nous appelons le Dieu l'Absolu, et c'est utile de le savoir, mais ce que vous devez vraiment savoir, c'est que Dieu l'Absolu existe déjà, mais s'est enveloppé dans les mystères du Cercle de l'Infinité, et que le Père maintient pour nourrir le Maître Univers de tout ce dont il a besoin pour se terminer loin dans l'avenir. Tandis que Dieu est unique, les sept Absolus apparaîtront comme des individus séparés et je n'en dirai pas plus.

3. Le JE SUIS n'est pas le Père, n'est-ce pas?

Je préférerais ne jamais entendre ça de toi, Assalé. Vous n'avez pas pris le temps de lire votre livre et de comprendre ce que le Père nous dit au sujet de Je SUIS à ce stade de notre révélation qui continue à se produire dans chacun de nous. JE SUIS n'est pas une hypothèse. Le JE SUIS s'organisa lui-même d'abord et quand il sut de quoi il était capable, organisa la réalité afin que quand le prix ultime qu'il paya pour être vu et compris, il y avait des planètes où vivre et des idées pour parler et la vie pour vivre dans un certain bonheur. JE SUIS se transforma d'un statut de pré-volonté du néant au statut qu'il tient aujourd'hui en tant que partie du Père Universel. JE SUIS vit en tant que Père par le Père et est le Père. N'oubliez pas ça. Rappelez-vous aussi que vous devez comprendre beaucoup plus que ce que vous faites actuellement pour l'expliquer aux autres, et ce n'est pas si difficile! Étudiez et contemplez le Livre d'Urantia (je pense que c'est le Fascicule 105 mais corrigez-moi) et prenez ce qui vient d'être donné pour nous en dire plus sur le JE SUIS que nous ne l'avons jamais su auparavant.

4. Dieu l'Ultime n'est pas Dieu l'Absolu, n’est-ce pas?

Vous avez besoin de beaucoup de travail puisque vous êtes un enseignant pour beaucoup, mais vous vous devez de mieux comprendre la réalité dans la mesure où les Divinités expérientielles sont concernées. Toute la Déification pour toujours repose sur les personnes qui apprennent qui est Dieu, et cela arrive malgré le fait que très peu reconnaissent que cela leur arrive dans leur vie en tant que banquiers ou artistes et tout ce qui se trouve entre ces emplois. Les Déités expérientielles sont: Dieu le Suprême; Dieu l'Ultime et Dieu l'Absolu, et il faut que l'autre se développe avant qu'il puisse entrer comme une vraie personne dans sa vraie création qui doit attendre que le Suprême développe le temps d'abord. Le Livre d'Urantia n'a pas encore trouvé un moyen de montrer des résumés que vous avez besoin d'étudier, mais beaucoup de gens ont fait des aides d'étude qui font exactement cela, et je vous suggère d'aller en ligne et d'évoquer Le Urantia Book Fellowship ou la Fondation, cliquez sur leurs sections qui disent «Aides à l'étude» et commencer à absorber ces résumés, vous apprendrez rapidement que vous verrez clairement un aperçu de la façon dont Dieu travaille à travers ses différentes parties pour nous amener à terme dans la perfection.
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Dear Assale, this is from your firm friend Daniel,

Dear Assale and all of those in the training to be T/R persons , you Assale and any of the rest of you so foolish as to come before the Father like Assale did in The November 20 message above and pray that kind of prayer Assale did in the second Paragraph. Why would you put yourself so dangerously in the realm of the T/R person and have almost sure answer to that prayer that will almost surely plunge you into a life, I am warning you, will cause you sleeplessness, take large portions of time so no more video games practically.

You will have  periods of gross uncertainty so as to almost pull some hair out, feelings that you do not have a clue as to what the heck you are doing, coupled with messages from administration that kindly let you know that you screwed up royally. You'll be sent personal messages to gently remind you, by fellow forum members that your grasp of English usage is somewhere around the first or second grade! See. its not worth it. give it up while you still have half a chance to go back to those romance novels most of the day.

I can not emphasize this enough, Do Not Pray like Assale Did in the second paragraph! This is serious, that  prayer is too much, its effective, coupled with your being sure to sit down like clock work at a specific time every day, You must not demonstrate any degree of dependability or they will pounce on you and start using you and your goose is cooked!! This is out of the kindness of my heart from one leisure lover to another. A word to the wise is sufficient!!
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Thank you DANIEL,
I'll keep your warnings and walk accordingly, I'm a baby, I'm clueless. Don't worry, the Gods understand what I'm getting at.

As regards my level in English, I just can get my message across and this is enough for a French speaking boy (lol!). O Daniel, trillions of thanks for taking time to warn me. To the point I am, I wonder whether a hard word can ever upset or discourage me. I want to be like Father, I want to be a god.

A very old friend told me this yesterday: "Yes Assale! There are many many things that are never discussed on the Forum. I am like you and know many things that cannot be discussed on the Forum because the members and visitors there cannot handle it. So we must always be careful about what we say. In our hearts we want to share, but sometimes we can hurt the spiritually young when we share meat with those who can only take milk. Adult food is not for babies! Some of us already know our destiny far into the future, like you and like me. That is spiritual meat and we must not offend those who are not yet mature enough to accept and understand such things. Those who are more spiritually mature must seek out others at their level, and there you can find a safe place to share your thought, feelings, knowledge and wisdom.

Good night, dear excellent brother of mine, in Christ peace and love, and again thanks for warning me. I was not TRing, I was just writing.


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I sense that The AM will be a major topic these days on the Forum, so, Ron, I've reviewed my lesson (Paper 105) in the Urantia Book, and I now have a clear idea on the different parts of Father. The book is so thick that we can easily forget huge portions, that's why I need to keep my power dry, always.


It is very very important for me to focus on this as Father is currently using Ron to slowly introduce people to the complete I AM revelation. The complete revelation is very large and goes so far beyond anything in the Urantia Book that the Paradise Philosophers are asking for time to catch up since only the very highest Paradise Deities know about it.

If my post is so bad, I'm removing it, because we're here to learn in peace and love and grow up with the Spirit.


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Assale, your post is "not so bad" you are to remove it.  It is a fine catalyst to speak to the I AM in finer detail in places and always, there is no question so bad it should not be heard at all.  You are not to worry about the difficulty, but worry about your steadfastness to really learn about the I AM.  Ron

Daniel - It is to HAHA.  Daffy Duck use to say in the 1950 cartoons, "It is to laugh!" as he walked away from the crash site without great injury.  You are doing what I do and to remember that what I got I got with a bunch of scratches that do not entirely heal yet without a lot of understanding.  I find the instructions you give to Assale worthy of a prayer Michael taught me sometime ago. "Go away.  Amen"  Admin hears your prayers and goes away if you can manage not to fall into the soup again for your own reasons.  Ron




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Dear Assale, My message I posted today at 2:16 New York time was a praise and commendation of the beautiful prayer you wrote in the second paragraph. It is a perfect example of how to pray and not a reprimand. I was using the tongue in cheek or joking method that maybe is a US phenomenon  where to get my point across, I was using reverse psychology to make my point that your prayer was exactly how everyone should pray. You might do this with your child by warning them to make sure you never catch them reading the National Geographic Magazine because then they would be more knowledgeable and no longer comfortable with the uninformed kids.  
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O Mighty Daniel of miiiine!!! You are the man! I was afraid I might have been rude at the Deities. You see, I still need two years more to reach English grade one!

Thanks, as you can see, I speak to Father as I do in my various astral trips when Father sends Celestials to me for serious talks.

Forgive my misunderstanding! I love you Daniel. You've rejoiced my heart with these last precisions.
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I have this for God the Absolute and the I AM,



Hello Father, thank you for keeping me alive, thank you because it rains, thank you because your sun shines, if there is anything to transmit to your children, Christ Michael and Divine Nebadonia, I stand at your disposal.

I am sitting at the computer waiting for a transmission, I've made void in my head, it is also beautiful to hear nothing, it is also beautiful to learn to be silent, for the Fragment loves the tranquility of mind when He adjusts my thoughts. Thought Adjuster, Celestial Eminence, you left your Glorious territory of Divinington to come down here to indwell my thoughts.
 

I am absolutely sure that physical poisons such as alcohol abuse, cigarette smoking and drugs of all kinds, as well as mental poisons such as envy, hatred, jealousy, sadness, revenge prevent you from cooperating with your subject, that's why I am calm this morning, I have even closed my ears not to hear what comes from the surroundings.
 

The vacuum is made, I await your instructions and your recommendations, I expect the first word that comes from you, my night was peaceful, I made no astral travel, I fell asleep thinking of God The Absolute and his gracious and humble response he provided yesterday. It is an unprecedented privilege beyond my understanding; yes, it is a true privilege to ask a question and to have an instant answer from up there. It is beautiful to hear the different manifestations of the will of the Father, it is beautiful to be your friend, glorious God the Absolute. Your spatial baby wants to become God, I want to be the Absolute Messenger and traverse your immense cosmos at the speed of the Solitary Messengers, it’s my dream and it seems I’m already at it.

I know it because with you and in you and close to you nothing is impossible, I am an eternal dreamer, who dreams of becoming like you. O Universal Father, I love to disturb you, I enjoy teasing you dear beloved God and Father of mine, I love to pray you and I love to co-create with you, is there something I hate in you? I have searched in the corners of my thoughts, there is none, for all that you do is good, just, precise and pleasant and beautiful. I made my choice, that of listening and applying your instructions.

Heaven follows me through your efforts in my thoughts, the I Am also is there, as well as God the Supreme, I am understanding you, I am growing, you are training your hero, if in my state of imperfection, I manage to receive some bridges of information, in terms of revelations and knowledge, it is that you have kindly invited me to your table of honor.

God of Thought I honor you, God of Word I magnify you, God of Action I praise you, for you three never rest, tell me Deities, how all this was put in place? Your project is gigantic, and your bag is still full, it's just the tip of the iceberg that we are seeing right now, what will happen when all the cosmos reaches the threshold of perfection, can perfection be re-formated to become infinite perfection, tell me I AM, what you foresee is out of the ordinary, what you envisage for your babies of space goes far beyond the creation itself, It is a re-creation.
 

Feel assured and reassured, o Deities, there will always be some us down here to accept your invitation, that of making us glorified mortals.


One of your space babies,


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I am indebted to the Melchizedek brothers who compiled to write these Papers in the Urantia Book.  I just read through Paper 105 on the "reality totality" of the I AM.  I am also indebted to Ron Besser et al in the above posts in relation to explaining better for us the I AM,  and reading Paper 105 has certainly helped me tremendously.  When I read this paper a few years ago, I wrote in my notebook that this is a wow Paper and to come back to read it in more depth.  I did and I think I'm grasping it much better than previously and I'm so grateful for the wonderful attempts by the writers to elaborate so carefully and as succinctly as could possibly be for us readers to grasp the sheer immensity of what the "reality totality" is in the I Am.  Ron is so right to think outside the box when it comes to this Paper.  It is true, the I AM is infinite. And this Paper demonstrates this clearly.  I wish to reread this again and again because it has so many nuggets in it that jumped out to me for all of us to pay attention to it as it speaks to our destiny. Wonderful I Am!

Thank you Father!

All praise and in awe,
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Like Assale, I also feel like a spiritual "baby" in space, because I have to learn a lot, and I am apprehending.

Like Sue (7ocean), when I read Paper 105 of the Urantia Book that talks about the depth of the meaning of "I AM" I felt I needed to delve deeper into the subject.

From what I understand, in my limitations of a "spiritual baby," the "I AM" represents an attribute of God, the Universal Father bound to the infinity of the universe of universes in their omnipresence.

The "I AM" also has deep meaning in ancient history as a child of Deity, connected to God, the Universal Father, when they were created, God the Eternal Son by God the Universal Father, then they both created God, the Infinite Spirit. ... ... when the Paradise Trinity was created, God, Universal Father, God, Eternal Son and God, Infinite Spirit ... ... when the Island of Paradise was created. ... ... when the central and perfect universe of Havona was created with a (01) billion perfect planets ... [...] ... when the seven superuniverses were created, including our Superuniverse of Orvonton, the Seventh Superuniverse, ... [...] ... when outer space was created.

The "I AM" also has deep meaning in the present history of the seven superuniverses, when the seven superuniverses are evolving from imperfection to perfection (the "Age of Light and Life"), with the actualization of God the Supreme.

The "I AM" also has deep meaning in the present history of outer space, when outer space is being mobilized with the celestial beings of various orders, with the actualization of God the Ultimate.

The "I AM" also has deep meaning in the present history of the universe of universes, as the master universe is evolving and being mobilized, with the actualization of God, the Absolute.



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Assim como Assale, eu também me sinto um "bebê" espiritual no espaço, pois tenho que aprender muito, e estou apreendendo.

Da mesma forma que Sue (7inocean), quando eu li o Documento 105 do Livro de Urantia que fala sobre a profundidade do significado de "EU SOU" eu sentia que precisar aprofundar sobre o assunto.

Pelo que eu entendi, nas minhas limitações de um "bebê espiritual", o "EU SOU" representa um atributo de Deus, Pai Universal ligado a infinitude do universo dos universos em sua onipresença.

O "EU SOU" também tem profundo significado na história antiga quando da infância da Deidade, ligado a Deus, Pai Universal, quando foram criados, Deus Filho Eterno por  Deus, Pai Universal, depois ambos criaram, conjuntamente, Deus, Espírito Infinito...[...]... quando foi criado a Trindade do Paraíso, Deus, Pai Universal, Deus, Filho Eterno e Deus, Espirito Infinito...[...]... quando foi  criado a Ilha do Paraíso...[...]...,quando foi  criado o universo central e perfeito de Havona com um (01) bilhão de planetas perfeitos...[...]... quando foi  criado os setes superuniversos, incluindo nosso superuniverso de Orvonton, o Sétimo Superuniverso,...[...]... quando foi  criado o espaço exterior.

O "EU SOU" também tem profundo significado na história presente dos sete superuniversos, quando os sete superuniversos estão evoluindo da imperfeição para perfeição (a "Era de Luz e de Vida"), com a factualização de Deus, o Supremo.

O "EU SOU" também tem profundo significado na história presente do espaço exterior, quando o espaço exterior está sendo mobilizado com os seres celestiais de diversas ordens, com a factualização de Deus, o Último.

O "EU SOU" também tem profundo significado na história presente do universo dos universos, quanto  o universo-mestre está evoluindo e sendo mobilizado, com a factualização de Deus, o Absoluto.
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This is a wonderful transmission to help grasp the concept of the "I AM" which is in paper 105 of the UB. This transmission gives me new insight and "food for thought" here to digest in my studies and meditations with my Thought Adjuster. I keeps this in my prayers Ron as you have done a wonderful job on this with our heavenly family to help us mortal minded to think sort of out meditate on a higher plain than average thought patterns. thank you Father, Deity Absolute, Micheal , Mantutia, and Ron for enlightening me on this subject. I am for better humbled by this. Peace be with you. -Greg
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