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Las Vegas concert shooting.

Upon receiving a text message from J Livengood about eight thirty am, this Monday morning pacific time. I went to the live news stations on You Tube for these particulars and it occurred to me to sit at the computer to be open for some Celestial comment. The particulars I filled in from the live reports this morning.

“Yes Daniel, go ahead: this is Bzhutu,  (ABC 22-C) with comments about the shooting at the country music concert billed as the route 91 harvest festival concert with Jason Aldean, at the Mandalay Casino resort on the south end of the strip located on Las Vegas Blvd, Nevada. This scribe was about five miles from the incident. The 64 yr old, suspect, Steven Paddock, evidently committed suicide in the suite from which the shooting took place. It happened a little after ten pm Vegas time.

“He was from Mesquite Nevada, lived in a single family residence in a retirement community there, a town some fifty miles away on interstate 15 going north east toward the state of Utah, he had a room at the Mandalay Bay hotel and had over ten rifles in his possession, some fully automatic. There is no evidence of any connection with any known terrorist group. He was located above the crowd, was shooting from his hotel room window on the 32nd floor that over looked the outdoor concert location across the street, approx. 300 feet away from the crowd he was firing into. Many thousand of persons were at the concert. As of this moment about 50 plus are known to be killed and over 515 injured.

“The police located the shooters location and stormed into his room without much delay, the shooting proper lasted about 30 minutes. Two of the dead are from about 20 off duty police officers assigned to be at the concert as venue policy. A Midwayer was actually present at the concert and was able to render some assistance in helping to rush the wounded to a nearby medical center. This is Bzhutu with this brief message as a practice for possible communication needs in the future. Thank you Daniel and for now will sign off with these comments. Domtia….”


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« Last Edit: October 02, 2017, 03:48:48 PM by Daniel alderfer »
Daniel in Las Vegas, 970 618 1214, danielalderfer@hotmail.Com, While he was still a great way off his Father saw him and had compassion.

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Re: Bzhutu, (ABC 22-C) Vegas shooting, 2 Oct. 2017 Daniel L V NV. USA
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2017, 10:30:42 PM »
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Hello Daniel.

There has not been a post to this forum since about 4 or so PM this afternoon.  You were the last poster.  I wonder why?

The truth of the matter is our progenitor Michael of Nebadon sees a problem and wishes to remind you that what you did is next to sedition because it steals the original cause and makes it honor you instead, and on this forum, that is next to spitting in the eye of one who favored you enough to allow transmissions to come from you in great volume.  Lately I have been keeping my fingers crossed too that you caught yourself before you did what you did here, as I know you enjoy the status of doing something very few can do and well enough to be lauded by those who originate posts to you in spirit.

Let me lay it on the line to you.  The so-called transmission above is you.  I knew it as soon as I laid eyes on it and it was confirmed to me by Bzhutu, that no word in it was transmitted from him to you.  I asked Bzhutu what was going on and he told me the following:

BZHUTU (MIDWAYER ABC22-13513575) (these 8 digits are Midwayer serial numbers for Bzhutu on Urantia now)

"I am Bzhutu, and I resent being used as your fall guy Daniel, and I recommend that you be disbarred from producing further transmissions during the coming Magisterial Mission, for a number of years until you learn your lesson.  When a human like Ron can tell immediately that was something you originated in your own mind, then it really is a blatant use of the privilege we all share in doing the work of the Father.  I asked Michael what he thought and I transcribe his answer to me through Ron as our transmitter here:

(Michael of Nebadon thru Bzhutu speaks): 'I am a privilege to have around Bzhutu and you know it and so does Ron, and when we get abused deliberately as Daniel Alderfer provided us with here, I am inclined to call the whole thing off between the offender and myself concerning the work that was to be done by Daniel Alderfer.  Consequently I will have Ron recognize the transmission to be a false one in your name.  I will than ask Ron to make it clear to Daniel that the entire matter is no longer pertinent to my say so, but the Father on the Paradise who intends to make sure people who work for us during the Magisterial Mission, are never leading false tales of doing virtuous work.  Daniel Alderfer deliberately falsified this transmission without checking in his own mind what he was doing.  Ron inherently knows a false transmission when he runs into them and there have been several from Alderfer which are so close to that being true, he lets them go out of not knowing what the motivation was or could be.

'Now that we have settled the issue let me consider what to do.

'I am not a fool or a trial lawyer but we could take you to court Daniel Alderfer for pulling a stunt like this, and we want you to know that there are reasons to call your attention to this as one of the most serious matters that could ever happen to a person who call themselves a transmitter.  You represent us and speak eloquently when you do, but you do not appreciate it is a privilege and not a right.  I am suspending you from transmission work for a period of nine (9) months from today, and remind all of you that we are not to be slighted in our dignity or our truthful intentions.  Be assured you will learn of your redemption when we are well on our way to bringing Urantia back to life and health again and with true transmitters at the head of the union of trust and concern for this planet and people.

'I wish to be understood that we will never tolerate a misuse of trust like this ever again, and while we know Daniel would never do this if he thought about, we now learn the Father Himself agrees with Ron, that there is something about the transmissions you produce Daniel Alderfer that rankle me and Ron, and while Ron just figures it is bad taste on his part to sniff at a good colleague who transmits (seemingly ) very well, we need to bring to your attention Daniel that you fluff your transmissions with off side comments that sometimes entirely miss the point of the transmission.  I am recommending you practice transmissions in your off time while we consider this punishment further.  If you get a great transmission in these practice sessions I am asking you to pass them to me through Ron Besser and I will decide what you have and its worth.

'In the meantime you are suspended from transmitting for the time being up to nine months from now as a permanet reminder that calling a transmission valid and filling in your own words is close to treason to us and to Ron and he caught it well.  Good day.'

BZHUTU -

"We carry certain things very well with humans who learn to transmit as all of you do here.  I am to tell you what I think in no uncertain terms and it is this:  I, like Ron, consider transmitting to be of a sacred quality without much mentioning it.  You, however, do not see it that way and rather be playing elsewhere most of the time and you are not using the forum well enough to plagiarize anyone but Ron now and then and you and he do not mind it at all.  I am sticking to my original request to have you banned until you learn who you are and what you ask for and why we should continue with you at all.  Ron is instructed to do as we, Bzhutu, wish to call upon you to realize what happened here and you are in no condition to do much as you have to sleep off your problem a little bit more too.

"The massacre in Las Vegas is typical of what men and women have sewn in America particular.  I want it to be understood that none of us wanted this to happen or ever to occur, but now that it has, look at the man who shot people and his stature: 64 years old, middle aged, and unlikely to see the light of day again of a conscious existence.  I am now with Father most strongly as Ron relates to me:  His wish is to terminate you and to let this remind people you are not playing games but are about the Father's business.  I am Bzhutu and I suggest Ron terminate the account and be done with it.  I am Bzhutu the Midwayer known as ABC-22 forever.  Good day."

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Daniel, I seriously lament this action placed upon me to carry out.  But in fact, I also would have recommended it had they not already decided you did something that can never be tolerated.  In my heart I suspect you did it under some influence of some unhealthy excitement and celebratory ingestion of who knows what.  We both know you are prone to get yourself into situations that lead to excesses and damages and while that is something you have to heal, the intentional use of a Midwayer's name (or any spirit name or celestial name for that matter) to be said that he spoke when the Midwayer did not is perjury at best, and at worst a profound and ill-will use of trust so egregious it ranks among cheating and lying to me in the midst of the purity of Christ.  I see no reason for it and I carry a profound dislike of it ever happening to you and to us through you.  
You are not forever terminated as I doubt the Missions want to throw out a practiced transmitter, but that is truly up to Bzhutu and Michael to bring you back in good favor onto this list.  I will obey and therefore ban you at their request.  I will terminate the ban at once on their say so.

With great unhappiness over this, I am Admin and wish you all a good day.

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Re: Bzhutu, (ABC 22-C) Vegas shooting, 2 Oct. 2017 Daniel L V NV. USA
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2017, 11:55:00 PM »
How saddened I am!  My heart aches, to learn about Daniel Alderfer. It is almost the
feeling of bereavement.  How very sad!
I pray for him and trust that he may find within himself the strength and resolve to turn
away from that which leads him astray.

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Re: Bzhutu, (ABC 22-C) Vegas shooting, 2 Oct. 2017 Daniel L V NV. USA
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2017, 12:33:55 AM »
Extreme pressure and heat continually transforms a one-time rough chunk of black coal through its many changes into a sparkling diamond harder than steal, as Daniel seems to be well along in his use and transformations.

I am not sad, but recognize this as a delay, I hope to also have Daniel's same proved resilience. We have read and proudly observed so many times where Daniel Alderfer unfailingly accepted his counsel to then continue his spiritual growth.
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Re: Bzhutu, (ABC 22-C) Vegas shooting, 2 Oct. 2017 Daniel L V NV. USA
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2017, 03:59:17 AM »
This saddens me greatly!!!
Overall, I was confident that Daniel was doing an exceptional job and Daniel was a model of inspiration for me to want to become better!!!
It is true that I am only in the embryonic stage in my efforts to do TRing,..., how to know if I transmit their messages exactly as they would like it to be?
Now I think I will hesitate to publish my received messages in fear that I am sending a message from my imagination and not actually receiving their messages!!!...
I guess that I have a lot of work to do on my TRing practice......
My dear friend and brother Daniel, I am already looking forward to your return among us, but be certain that you will always be in my heart and in my thoughts.
Father, if it is your will, ... I would like to express to you my intention and my desire to have the possibility for the fusion with my Personal Thought Adjuster during my life time on Urantia and this of course in order to serve you better Father, to better serve your beloved son Jesus.

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Re: Bzhutu, (ABC 22-C) Vegas shooting, 2 Oct. 2017 Daniel L V NV. USA
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2017, 05:41:34 AM »
A tough lesson for you Daniel; but I am sure you will be back, wiser for the experience.
And such a clear message about what it means to be involved in the Magisterial Mission and thereby The Father's business. 
I am constantly amazed by Ron's insight and at the way the Celestials handle these situations in such an authentic, firm but fair way. I learn something important every time I log into this remarkable forum.

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2017, 06:54:07 AM »
This is a lesson for all of us. Disciplinary action is necessary sometimes. It is hard to take and a sad one when it has to be done. Some changes are necessary in order to see some better results come forth.

Disciplinary action in my life has been very rare and the only one that comes to my mind is that time I got the cane in Grade 3(8 years old?) at Primary School. That happened as the teacher had to leave the classroom for a length of time and she gave instructions to the class to do their work. When the teacher came back, she found I did not follow those instructions. Somehow I got distracted chatting away with others and I must have not heard it well (remember I am half-deaf wearing hearing-aids). The teacher pointed me out in front of the class to my dismay. She pulled out the cane stick and I knew what was next.

The only problem was as I held out my hand for her to hit it, she missed it flat on the palm as it instead hit my little finger (ouch,that was worse than the next hit!). She then insisted I held up straight and went for the straight blow right flat on my palm which didn't have much effect like the first one did. The whole class was aghast. They knew who I was. The clergyman's daughter. They knew my Dad who comes to teach RE lessons and to see me up there getting the stick was no laughing matter.

Well, it was an action that had a consequence. It didn't do anything for me, only it was felt by everyone else. Unimpressed, I walked away in silence and never whimpered about it ever since.

The moral is that it happens once in a while we do get chastised sometimes for the right reasons and other times for the wrong ones too. In this case, I felt innocent but still got the blame for anyone else who didn't pull up their socks just because I didn't.

No doubt, what happens is that when we do this work of transmitting and when we do not use some good sense and judgement we end up copping a few hits. Alderfer got a few previous ones but he still didn't quite get what needs to be noticed. The recent transmission was quite frankly difficult for me to take. It really sounded so off and I am grateful Ron has come in to make that quite clear.

Teachers are there for good reason and they are the ones we are transmitting when we do. If we go off the rails we should know and stop right there. I'll leave it there.

I am in agreement of the assessment and action taken and may our prayers be with Daniel Alderfer as he settles in to practicing for a while and improve on receiving better. Godspeed Daniel.

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Re: Bzhutu, (ABC 22-C) Vegas shooting, 2 Oct. 2017 Daniel L V NV. USA
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2017, 07:43:43 AM »

Hi Daniel. Remember that I, and many of us, members and visitors of Forum Serara, we love you. The period of 9 (nine) months without "official" broadcasts here at the Serara Forum will serve, mainly, for reflection on the search for improvement. Continue the practice of transmission informally by talking to your own Thought Adjuster. When you resubmit, submit to our administrator Ron Besser, especially, the messages that you feel are important. Ron Besser is certainly our main transmitter and receiver and the real "conductor", figuratively speaking, as the leader of this group of transmitters. I am also always seeking to ask and ask my Thought Adjuster again about transmissions to seek improvement. Force my friend. The popular proverb says that often the sand that is in our way is not really a difficulty that is on the way but rather helps to prevent us from falling on a smooth and runny ground. Of your friend. Julio.

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Oi Daniel. Lembre-se que eu, e muitos de nós, membros e visitantes do Forum Serara, nós te amamos. O período de 9 (nove) meses sem transmissões "oficiais" aqui no Fórum Serara servirá, principalmente, para reflexão na busca de aprimoramento. Continue a prática de transmissão de forma informal, conversando com seu próprio Ajustador do Pensamento. Quando voltar a transmitir, submeta a nosso administrador Ron Besser, principalmente, as mensagens que sentir que são importantes. Ron Besser é, com certeza, nosso principal transmissor e receptor e o verdadeiro "maestro", falando figurativamente, como lider deste grupo de transmissores. Eu também estou buscando sempre perguntar e perguntar novamente ao meu Ajustador do Pensamento sobre as transmissões para buscar o aperfeiçoamento.  Força meu amigo. Diz o provérbio popular, que muitas vezes a areia que está em nosso caminho não é de fato uma dificuldade que esta no caminho e sim uma ajuda para evitar que caiamos em um chão liso e escorradio. De seu amigo. Julio.
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Re: Bzhutu, (ABC 22-C) Vegas shooting, 2 Oct. 2017 Daniel L V NV. USA
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2017, 08:32:58 AM »
This is a sad day in many respects.   I do not watch the news voluntarily, so did not hear of this tragedy until later on.   Upon turning to the Forum, I read Daniel's post with surprise! Why would Chief Bzutu speak to us like a reporter on a news station?  He always comes on a much higher energy level.

Later on when I returned to the Forum, I could not get on it and kept receiving that "server busy" message.   This morning, I read the post from Admin.   Although it is directed at Daniel, it is also a message for the rest of us.   There are times when we take our relationship with the Celestials for granted and speak to them with too much familiarity.  We expect them to just show up and give us their words of wisdom.  This relationship should be treated as the privilege and blessing that it is.  We should receive them with our heads bowed and give them the respect that they deserve.  

I cannot throw stones at any one person.  I am just as guilty.  It takes very little for my own ego to jump up and say:
"Here I am!  Look at me!"   I should really be saying: "Here I am!  How may I serve?"  

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(postscript-  Just one hour after posting my lament at the loss of my old friendship, I received a phone call from him.   Just like nothing had ever happened!   This time I am getting out of Father's way and letting His will be done!)
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Re: Bzhutu, (ABC 22-C) Vegas shooting, 2 Oct. 2017 Daniel L V NV. USA
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2017, 10:02:12 AM »
I would just like to say a few words here, regarding the "call to duty", that we all answered
some time ago.
The work we are being asked to undertake with our Celestial Family is Sacred and as such,
demands the greatest of respect.
Being mindful of this most Sacred of duties is what is required from all of us. 
Each one of us must really take this to heart and remember also, that it is the greatest
honour ever to be offered to mortals. On acceptance of this great honour, we commit
ourselves to the rigours that being about Father´s Business demands.

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Re: Bzhutu, (ABC 22-C) Vegas shooting, 2 Oct. 2017 Daniel L V NV. USA
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2017, 10:34:00 AM »
Hi all,
Why not give the floor to Daniel to tell us why he did so? At least it would be fine to hear him for the last time before being banned. I also think that a few weeks off would be ok, but a 9 long month-ban is to me too long even if this penalty comes from Christ Michael Himself, should we also know why 9 months-ban?

If these drastic measures are not softened, I'm afraid there may be no more interest in taking part in any Magisterial Mission even if the Supervisors hail from Paradise or any other part of the cosmos.

I personally would like to hear Daniel and why he gave us this perjury. This is my first contribution after waiting behind the scene for over 4 years as a guest. I hope I will not be banned for this contribution.

Daniel, if you're reading this, do not hesitate to send me a private message, because I really need to know what on earth occured in and crossed your mind for such a perjury.

Thanks.

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« Last Edit: October 03, 2017, 10:44:55 AM by Pronto »
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2017, 10:49:30 AM »
Thank you Lemuel.  And I thank all of you for your comments and understanding too.

What we have to be so very careful about is not to defuse the subject into a sentimental good bye to a good man who perjured himself in a way that was not offensive but extremely serious.  Let me point something out to you just why even accidentally forcing a subject into a being and saying a spirit or celestial being produced it.

First, just realize that we humans do not produce spiritualized thinking except in the case of Lemuel and Larry and those who have fused on Urantia.  Those are cases where spiritualized thinking does take place but it is not of the same caliber as a spirit entity or celestial entity actually produces.  Why is it important to make the distinction?  Because when we misrepresent a spirit voice as our own we do two things we must never have happen on Urantia as teachers of the truth:

1) If the human audience believed you were speaking your own scripts or dialogues, automatically all authority is dashed to the ground and that message is just a say-so from a human who knows nothing!  Why listen to a spirit speaker if he does not speak with authority from a genuine spiritual and knowing encounter?

2) If we lose authority in afew cases with a few transmitters, we rush headlong into the disability that spiritualism got labeled with:  motivation to cheat and sway from a human view point only.  We can turn TV on and watch any cable news show like MSNBC or FOX or and so on and those are talking heads doing editorials.  Spirit speech, however, is authoritative and means what it says and knows.  They must never be construed as a talking head or as an editorial unless they say so.  To repeat a news story as spoken from spirit as was done here above, is to degrade the entire idea of transmitting truth and there will and this will happen a lot when the public gets a hold of the concept they can do it too.  Who do you listen to well from a housewife in Portland, Oregon, who never knew God as useful until the Mission broke loose over her head this October?  She might be on the up and up, but it takes the fraternity of truly and well appointed transmitters to verify she has something or is playing with her subconscious and the Vatican's view of transubstantiation or abortion and so on.  Social issues are killers in the normal crown on Urantia when you mix opposing views.  Do you think spirit is useful to help us sort those issues out?  We need assurance and you do not get it from a human perjury that speaks falsely of an authoritative figure but gives us a human editorial instead.

MIDWAYER BZHUTU ABC-22- (SNl 131517457)
"I am delighted to be able to speak on this subject alone.  As many of you know I am a main speaker with George Barnard, and that is where Ron learned to find me and cherish my work.  I am direct and I hold no punch except to tell the truth as I see it.  I am 37,153 years old this year and my mother was Sata and my father was Adam and Eve's, eldest therefore first born son on Urantia.  I hold him high as we all do including Ron, but he had a wonderful wink in his early years that endeared us to him all the time.  Her life with him was harsh as she had rheumatic fever as a child and Ron has seen them and works to hold them dear as they become so crippled on Urantia it is a very sad thing to see.  Sata and I were great playmates and her mortal children lived to be 150 (on hundred fifty) years old and one, my best friend ever, Sorge, and Sorge was fifteen years my senior and he and I would play in the great River, the Euphrates, endlessly looking for bass and carp and catfish-  a species the same as it was millennia ago.  I am superior in mind to all of you automatically and Sorge could see me fine as he was a violte blood offspring of Adama and Sata.  Sata was from a human tribe along the Euphrates without much to say about themselves, except they derived their beauty and strength fomr early man and a species no longer found or understood on Urantia.  These were the Euphratic Tribes and they disappeared long ago from the face of the earth as there was too few of them and so on.   I claim one famous progeny, not from my loins. but from Sata, and that was Homer, the great Greek philosopher who had Greece in the palm of his hand until he committed suicide over a slip of the tongue and we will leave it there for the time.

"I am terribly pleased with Ron over this admission and wish I had time to go into it but his Adjuster is telling me to tell you the end of this story that Daniel Alderfer bungled.  He is under great suspicion of not following any rules if he is after women or booze and both together can harm him greatly as he looses conscious control and is out of control.  Be assured Ron saw the problem early on and let it ride in hopes it would go to the back somewhere, but in life and death emergencies we dare not rely on a sometime-transmitter who rather plump his bottom in a bar instead at his desk to deliver our messages to save lives.  Nevada is under threat for inundation too, but we are not so sure the Pacific Ocean will come in that far, at least to begin with.  Transmitters trained on this site are among the most reliable in the world and they must stand their place and security above all, and Ron rightly points out that a man cries wolf and spirit tells truth and fear is abated by truth when you know what will happen and when or where.  I am Bzhutu and I will greet you another day."

Ron - I have adjusted my schedule today to get back to work on another item some of you may remember but most have forgotten.  I am the adjunct messenger for One Without Name and Number and that individual wishes to speak to all of you (when I can finish it), on what it means to be a savior in the middle of financial and physical calamities beyond description.  This will come to pass for most of us who are bona fide transmitters, and it will be a harrowing experience to be the one who must transmit before a crown or a television or radio audience what to do and what is to come.  When I was in grade school I was paifully shy and in high school just learning to deal with and never quite getting rid of it.  Today, I am not frightened by the things I was then but I still do not like going before the public and pronouncing in spite of what you see on this list.  However, Father has tweaked my nervous system just enough I do not shake anymore with stage fright as most of you call it.  But I find the public interest so poor I prefer to be out of sight and work with the fine people who come to this site to learn their craft and become, as Mother Spirit calls it, saviors of the highest order of service to humanity.

Let me say this too:  Daniel is in the woodshed for the moment, and if he can curb those excessive uses of alcohol and womanizing, he will be reevaluated and tested again for high service.  But right now he must learn that what he did is among the highest detestations any transmitter can or could do.  Never tell a lie as a transmitter.  You can get words wrong and sometimes miss the transmission because of personal problems, but be honest about what happened and make amends where you can.  That is entirely forgivable!  I also point out to those learning transmissions that you are exonerated from being called on this kind of error until you know, really know, what you are doing. 

Thank you
Ron

MICHAEL OF NEBADON -
"Here, here!  That was a rousing ending by a man beset with physical problems of his own, and I wish to point out I am in full agreement with Bzhutu and Ron on these statements this morning.  Ron likes Bzhutu because Bzhutu hits a ball hard and direct and he has learned from Bzhutu the darkest of experiences that George Barnard has shared too over spiritual distaste for human excess as happened with Daniel above.

"But what Ron learned from Bzhutu was a George Barnard excursion into death that scared Ron out of his wits to read from George's own handwriting.  The truth is that George Barnard could have died in that excursion but thanks to the Midwayers, escaped with a valuable lesson to let death go once it happens and do not look back hard at it.  We are all fallible and Ron points out Michael is speaking for humans and not as a Creator Son who does learn but has enough perfection of Paradise in Him that gross errors do not occur.  In any case Bzhutu and Ron are soldiers together in a way against a humanity that is no longer functioning well or at all on Urantia.  It is so bad that humans who do know better leave the United States to get away from a President who is one of the worst failures in human anatomy anywhere else on the planet by seeking to bamboozle the North Korean leader into thinking he can do all that he says he can do to him.  The truth is that North Korea is finished as a country, but must be taken seriously as a weapon monger of the worst kind ever to walk the shores of a once beautiful planet that needs repaired everywhere.

"I leave it all for now as I am working on the transition to be Jesus and Jesus to be me, and that is the wonder of it all for we now leave the controversy of a mass killing for a mass resurrection, for when I arrive on Urantia shortly with Jesus and as Jesus, the roll call will be sounded again, and Gabriel will call upon the deceased now sleeping on the mansion worlds to arrive and watch the reunification of hope and love on Urantia, including Ron's parents and some of your parents, all who wonder what the big hubbub is about.  Thank you all.  Michael."

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Re: Bzhutu, (ABC 22-C) Vegas shooting, 2 Oct. 2017 Daniel L V NV. USA
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2017, 10:58:41 AM »
Hello Pronto and welcome to the list as a first - time poster.  I welcome you for doing that too.

I assume you would really like to talk to Daniel about this blunder.  Daniel cannot see this web site under the ban and I let it stand for now per my supervisory request that is both Michael of Nebadon and my friend Bzhutu, a warrior Midwayer who fought the devil himself all those many years ago. 

Here is Daniel Alderfer's home email address if you wish to write him and ask him what you would:
Daniel Alderfer  <danielalderfer@hotmail.com>

I hope you read my post above as it explains exactly why this thing Daniel did, was seen as such a breach of etiquette and long standing trust of man with spirit, it had to be taken care of as I was directed to do and had already made up my mind without that direction, he should be removed for awhile at least.  Your arguments are not unreasonable but they do not inclue the understanding of the seriousness of what happened.  I look forward to your contributions and I am easy to get along with and do not ban except for some very serious infraction, which I doubt you are capable of ever.  Thank you.  Ron

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Re: Bzhutu, (ABC 22-C) Vegas shooting, 2 Oct. 2017 Daniel L V NV. USA
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2017, 11:57:36 AM »
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Here is Daniel Alderfer's home email address if you wish to write him and ask him what you would:
Daniel Alderfer  <danielalderfer@hotmail.com>
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Ron you need to be careful about giving out personal information on an open web-site without first retaining permission from the owner. In itself it is a violation of copy-right protocol and you can be held liable, should Daniel wish to pursue legal action. As the owner of this domain you could also be help personally responsible for any harassment that he (Daniel) might receive, and being that your accusations are also slanderous in nature, because the non-human characters presented on this forum cannot be verified, or held responsible for their contributions, you would be held personally responsible as the true author.         
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Re: Bzhutu, (ABC 22-C) Vegas shooting, 2 Oct. 2017 Daniel L V NV. USA
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2017, 03:58:01 PM »
My dear friends,

Well, I have my heart broken because I find that our friend Daniel paid dearly for posting a message that seemed more of a newsletter than other things, but in reality was simply innocuous and of no consequence in my eyes.

Daniel was judged without having had the chance to express himself and I find it very unfortunate. Is it possible that Daniel had the certainty of receiving Bhutzu and that he had posted this message?

I do not know and I do not think any of us knows.

We receive messages from our Celestials for many of us who are members of this forum and who of us can say that all these messages are 100% compliant?

I find it very sad that good and loyal members are banned for so little and here I think of Assale and Daniel Alderfer and if you, my friends, have the chance to read me, know that I love you and that I will be able to continue to communicate with you because you are part of the seed that has germinated. You are GOOD my friends.


LOVE TO ALL.


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