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Title: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Ron Besser on October 04, 2019, 10:28:11 AM
Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation

MOTHER SPIRIT
* The Last Hurrah.
* The Sixth Epochal Revelation Review
York, PA Local time 930am
OCTOBER 04, 2019

“This is Mother Spirit, and the time has come to announce a change in our own status.

“Because God the Supreme was such a large part of my work, I had to revalue what I did in Nebadon quite a bit.  For one thing we now run a daily routine never done before and that is to reread all writings from Urantia concerning religion and other factors that lead into a religion and its ways of operating. 

“Ron Besser is among the most important factors on Urantia right now insofar as the imprint of new views of religion are concerned.  He has taken a simple idea called epochal revelation, and forced it to become a focal point on many who worry about the course of religion on Urantia, and placed it as a very high priority to replace the increasing number of errors in its forebearer, the fifth epochal revelation.

“Because he now has set it up as almost the perfect foil to a cult being formed around the fifth epochal revelation, he now sits in the position of wondering where the sixth epochal revelation is.  Well then, where is the sixth epochal revelation?

“The answer is that it is ready to be seen and photographed by Ron so long as Ron is capable of working in.  Father on Paradise says that Ron is quite capable of handling it, but God the Supreme has so harmed him in health it must be questioned whether we can work a sixth epochal revelation the old way: dissemination by a human corporation dedicated to the work of doing such as the fifth epochal revelation was supposed to be so done.

“Further, indications are that Mantutia Melchizedek is running hard to remake the sixth epochal revelation properly done for the style of reader we have on Urantia today.  In the old days, large books never bothered anyone, but today, the attention span has so slipped it cannot be depended on to finish anything over sixty or seventy pages.  Then what do we do?  The answer may be audio, but spirit does not do audio.  In place of audio is verbal teachings as done in the day of Jesus and that requires huge rallies and few of any serious readers of the fifth epochal revelation are attracted to mass conversions or rallies for that nature.

Therefore, the need for “quick books” becomes necessary.  Why?  The reason is already stated, but Ron is of the opinion that “quick books,” are merely insufficient propaganda to tease the audience into thinking they know the subject.  Amen, says Michael, and so do I, but Mantutia is ready to try out one of Ron’s ideas he has run a template on already. And it is a Newsletter called “MAGISTERIAL MISSION HEADLINES”, A headline and one paragraph to follow.  I see the Template and fully laud how he works it.  It would make a huge contribution to the readership if they accepted the Newsletter at all..

“Ron ran an experiment these past two weeks where he purloined all of the emails t he Urantia Book Fellowship publishes as the emails for Urantia Group leaders.  Some of you may have gotten email through it.  However, for the most part the readership and Urantia Group leaders in general, have no real perception that the fifth epochal revelation is now so out of date, it should not be taught “as is” ever again.  Ron turned the tables on plans re republish the present Urantia Book, but removing sections out of Part II amd Part III, and emphasizing, Part IV, the Jesus Papers.  To Ron, that is nothing but heresy and the apostasy of the present Urantia Foundation even looking upon it in favor of doing it.  The head of that organization now sees the futility of ever publishing the present Urantia Book, except as it is and forever as it is.  Good tidings then for the Urantia Book as is, but it is so out of date it mistakes good for bad now and must be replaced quickly so as not to inculcate readers with bad information at this point. 

“Finally, Ron sees the entire matter in our court and says so emphatically to anyone who listens.  Father does not disagree with him, and neither does Michael of Nebadon, but I, the Mother Spirit, see grave danger in replacing the fifth epochal revelation too fast with the sixth.  How much is too fast?  I suggest we need about sixteen more years before we place it in bookstores.  That happens to coincide with the date that Jesus may return or another Bestowal Son may appear.  It is an open question to Ron, and in his opinion, hits while the iron is no longer hot to move the sixth epochal revelation into place.  He sees a campaign to sell the book more in an evangelical vein than a seminary point of view of slow and unhurried teach-in of its precepts.  We all agree the iron is hot right now but I disagree on its use immediately and I hope to prevail over this point shortly when Michael addresses the Symposium to be held on Urantia shortly in spirit only. 

“That is not confusing to ron, but most of you have no idea what the problem is because Ron makes it easy for you to understand just what is happening, even if he is not sure of the repercussions.  That should slow him down but he sees no point in waiting when the deterioration of the minds of men and women is now so poor one cannot get anything done with being assured it gets done well.  Why wait but place the sixth epochal revelation on the book shelves for eventual readership to return?  The answer is that the population on Urantia is destined to be reduced by 2/3rds shortly and that is no small matter even for the dissemination of an epochal revelation.  I leave it there for now.  MOTHER SPIRIT as NEBADONIA.”

Ron - Those reading should recognize that when the Creative Spirit, or called Mother Spirit, uses her award name, SHE is speaking as a legal prosecutor.  That means HER informal speech really carries the recommendation by Nebadon interests for a legal adjudication over the presentation of the sixth epochal revelation before it becomes available, say, to me for dissemination through the Magisterial Foundation.  You need, all of you, to understand the precision of the use of titles and language in these broadcast, as they speak to the serious debate the sixth epochal revelation is having once more.

I also ask, what does the legal view of presenting a new epochal revelation on Urantia, which seems to frown on it appearing rapidly and now, what do we do with what waiting sixteen years for the correction to the present revelation to be done?


MICHAEL OF NEBADON = “Now Ron do not get excited.  The truth is Nebadonia is practicing with you over the idea of her new way of inputting a difference of opinion, and that is so we can argue it out for those who know how to handle revelation on any planet, and especially on Urantia, which is a total disaster still in the making for all sorts of reasons.  Her use of the term epochal revelation refers to all revelatory issues at stake for Urantia today, and you are not upset or angry but trying to clarify an uneasy feeling that so much time will slide by there is nothing but revelation on Urantia so in error it should be withdrawn instead of read or taught for now. 

“You see having to take the fifth epochal revelation and removing Parts I and Part IV entirely and publishing that while dropping Parts II and III with so many errors in them.  That is what would have to be done, and that is so truncated the entire idea of the Urantia Foundation would become available again to reduce the size of the present Urantia Book, by doing just that.  However, that is apostasy and you fully agree with it but the errors are so great in those sections one has to hide them until a better revelation replacing those parts becomes available.  We fully agree with you and your Bulletin 2 is still making the rounds on Urantia and being looked at in shock as they now realize you are in full control and you need to be heard at some Symposium, but you are too ill to make any such motions and I am not making excuses for you either, as it may come to pass you are removed and we sit without motion until the sixth is approved to appear.  K”

MARGUL TRINITY TEACHER SON AND OTHER NEEDFUL OFFICIAL TO BE HEARD NOW THAT THIS SUBJECT HAS COME UP AGAIN:

“I AM MARGUL, and all of you need to understand that Ron has become quite the kingpin for information to surface over the tirades of God the Supreme over the Nebadon and other Local Universes in it, the so called Excelon, Federation of now, we think of about 11 Local Universes.  Senselon may withdraw due to its loss of prestige not, but its downsizing over issues of State by Paradise, and it may be brought under the control of Paradise before it must relieve itself of Local Universe status, and that is mind boggling to you Ron?

[Ron: the size of a Local Universe may be proportionate in your experience Margul, but is tens and dozens of light years across with tens of thousands of inhabited planets, university world capital, and the power of Paradise Creator Son and Daughter and the Trinity.  I would think t hat unless a place like that blows up and cannot be helped, that it is never considered for demolition . . . ]

MARGUL, “Well stated Ron but it is not up for demolition but up for resurgent creativity to obtain a better balance of human worlds with Midsoniter and Midwayer worlds too.  WE are of the opinion that Senselon is long over due for those changes and that Creator Son is well aware of your care they are all taken care of evenly and well in the Federation for which you are so fully supportive we wonder where you are coming from.

“Further study indicates you are running a fever in your mind over this entire issues of a planetary government in what you believe is total disarray, which is true, but that it has to be in place to support a mission as proposed. [Yes] I suggest you worry that not but your own debacle which is to loose everything you planned for without one cent tribute to your mode of operation on Urantia.  Take our view and let the big picture prevail and let yourself float into oblivion if that is to be done, but for now, it seems the last of the Mohicans is still on board and hanging precariously over differences of opinion over your issues which are health, revenue, and the sixth epochal revelation, and in that order.  I agree you cannot operate without cleansing the health issue, but the sixth epochal revelation now stands ready for dissemination, and not the subject of another long policy review.  That should cheer you but we also see you are harassed to dea with the RESIDUAL SUPREME, and that must stop or it kills you eventually wholeheartedly out of the way of Michael and his choice for its dissemination, not you, but him, as a Bestowal Son.  You see that as ridiculous like having books for sale in the theater foyer before you go in for the entertainment.  K”

MICHAEL OF NEBADON =
“Fully seen, the sixth epochal revelation is worth all of this, except you Ron make it a calling card to reform the use of revelation on Urantia, and I see why and wonder if we have our ends meeting together to bring this into fruition at all.  The problem you present is that you are ready to do the dissemination in spite of the present readership as essentially necessary.  The present readerships would meld into the future readership and you see little difference as to the effects of the reading the sixth epochal revelation.  I happen to agree with all of this, and I am Father, and Michael of Nebadon, is placing hardship on you all the time Ron in order to be free of your views on so many subjects he must keep clear of them for the most part.

FATHER on PARADISE SPEAKS -
“You Ron ran through a diatribe early this morning before the sun came up over the presence of the Supreme and your full and terrible dislike of any of it being left in you.  Reasons are apparent.  The Supreme sees to calls to inject you and you are so done with that review of your health you refuse the injections if you can and suffer painful ones all the time in spite of the refusal mode you are in.  We see it not as truancy but being caught in a maelstrom of heartless removal of the RESIDUAL SUPREME, and must recommend you go easy on it because that RESIDUAL is dangerous and calloused to the point it will kill if it can get away with it.  That said you are not subject to killing anymore but so close one time you had to be revived at least twice when he stopped your heart and painfully done all the same.  Be assured this episode is a shameful reminder that our universe is proud to promote the spiritual aspects of man but never at the cost of understanding man if it is too hard to listen to man.  You are a perfect example with a big view of what could be accomplished on Urantia without resources because Spirit keeps taking them away from you forever if we are not careful to see to it that is never so.

“As FATHER. I am truly opposed to much of what you have to put up with, and you are so tired of it you would gladly walk out if you could make the transition without leaving a mess behind, but that is not easy to prevent, but it will be for many things you hope to achieve and leave well done and put back into place.  Give us the time and we make amends but for now the RESIDUAL SUPREME is hell on earth and you are not the only one facing it.  We leave it at that for now and speak for Michael by saying that the sixty epochal revelation is ready and so are you and it will be accomplished with the help of Machiventa Melchizedek, Gabriel, Immanuel, and amy support Staff which sees this as a real task to accomplish before anything else is to be opened on Urantia.  Good Day.”


MICHAEL OF NEBADON -
“We are finally at the end of this long transmission over issues you favor Ron only, but we do agree with your views entirely on them.  We have bigger problems than the sixth epochal revelation thought, and that is that God the Supreme keeps trying to make a come back as the RESIDUAL SUPREME, and you are so adamantly opposed to it, you run the risk of flying into the flames of a difficult empire of the worst ever imagined by science fiction writers, and that is a God without mercy and grand larceny in its heart.  That is God the Supreme after the Lucifer rebellion, and you need to care not to get upset when he abuses his power and slams you into a bed full of headaches and leg and abdomen pain and arm pain– you name it now.  Be assured this ends shortly and I mean before the Christmas season this year which may be a very dour one if all that could happens is happening at that point.  K”

END
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: dreamcat01 on October 04, 2019, 12:00:31 PM
I hate to be the one to bring this up, but I feel compelled to do so. So far, in my experience here almost everything we have been told would happen, did not happen and I understand that plans change especially plans as huge in import as these! But, now we move to the 6th Epochal Revelation and once again, we are told it won't happen or maybe it will happen, or should it happen, or should it not happen except in 16 years---yadda yadda yadda and on and on and on.
Maybe that is just my immaturity speaking but I feel there are probably others out there thinking some thoughts like these and like me, they are afraid to spill their guts. One argument I hear is the worry about the 5th revelation and the fact that much of it is now out-of-date and wrong. My question here is--why the argument? If it's wrong, replace it immediately or live with the consequences! Sixteen years of the 5th Revelation being out there with nothing to prove it has changed is like aging grapes until they rot. The consequences here are more important than grapes because it is eternal life and death it speaks of! After all, this discussion of will it or won't it is hard to take! I am tired of hearing yet another promised event, thrown aside to the never-ending future land of "someday."

So, call me down if I offend or if I missed the point or in some other way  I shoulda shut up! But can somebody in charge please, please, please make one decision that goes the way it was promised? Is that too much to ask? One decision! Sorry to be the rock in the hubcap but now I feel better and thank you all for listening.
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: newstarsaphire on October 04, 2019, 01:59:44 PM
Since the subject of the Sixth Epochal Revelation has come up on this Forum it seems it has been volleyed back and forth continuously as to how and when it should be presented to the Urantia populace.  

Coming at this from my own experience I would like to point out that it was not advertising or promotion by the current Urantia Foundation or any of its subsidiaries, it was not via a person, religious affiliation, mortal suggestion or influence of any kind that I found my way to the Fifth Epochal Revelation (which I was appalled to later realize had been available for discovery for decades).  I had received the 1111 prompts for years, to the point of frustration, but could find nothing on 1111 that ever guided me to the Urantia book.

Succinctly, it was my Thought Adjuster and the work of my personal guardian angels that led me through the maze of circumstances and other teachings until the word “Urantia” was audibly spoken to my ears and everything inside me said THAT’S IT…FIND OUT WHAT “URANTIA” IS, and my search began.  I had to guess about how to spell it to even search for it.  When I finally found and purchased the Kindle version I was excited and shocked.  My world was about to be turned upside down and violently shaken…yet at the same time I would receive confirmation of many things that my Adjuster had been speaking to my mind for years and years.

In the beginning I kept thinking “why didn’t somebody tell me about this book…I’ve wasted so many years I could have been learning from it?”.   My Adjuster pretty much said I wasn’t ready for it until now.  As a side note, after I had been reading the Urantia Book for a few months I looked online for any local study groups but when I found one my Adjuster very firmly said "NO".

I share this because I honestly question the effectiveness of any marketing or promotional ploy that might be enacted for the Sixth Epochal Revelation to “get through” to the general population and impact them enough to spark more than a moments passing notice, let alone curiosity.  Without the influence and “unction” of one’s Thought Adjuster and personal guides working overtime in their wards conscious awareness, I say good luck.  In my opinion people don’t find what they’re NOT looking for or wanting in the first place.  Many here have shared their experiences of gifting copies of the Urantia book to friends/family only to find them collecting dust on a shelf somewhere.

Also, I note that advertising and promotion have so accosted us in our personal lives and professional activities as to become no more effective than swatting at annoying bugs buzzing around your head that you just wish would buzz off and leave you alone.  If we have to find ways to “sell” the Sixth Epochal Revelation to an uninterested populace then I believe we will have little more success than previous efforts.  You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink!  Without an appetite or interest already existing in the consumer it is a pretty futile effort.

To briefly touch on the influence of personal choice, it is my perception that the religionist is faithful to the concept of their religion and I believe they have chosen that particular religion because it is in line with their preconceived ideas of who they want to be and what they want to worship.  The “free thinker” is unlikely to latch on to anything that requires the dedicated study of “epochal” or any other revelation that also requires them to question everything they are and furthermore choose to accept Fathers mandate…they like a ‘smorgasbord’ of options to feed on and plenty of options to bounce around (like a pinball) and are repelled by any specific diet that requires conformity of any kind.  Those are the two ends of the spectrum as I see it.

My point here is that I believe the driving force required to search out, and even consider, revelation will always be personal appetite or desire within the individual mortal which can then be influenced by the personal Thought Adjuster and destiny guardians and entice someone to give epochal revelation more than a fleeting glance.  However, if there is no Sixth Epochal Revelation to guide them toward then the only other option is the Fifth Epochal Revelation and any outdated information it contains (which will later have to be untaught and re-introduced).  It is kind of difficult to follow the directions of an outdated manual and constantly deal with “work-arounds” in the learning process (providing you are aware that updates to the manual even exist).

It is a conundrum for sure but my confidence is in the ability of the personal Thought Adjuster and attending guides and guardians to get the job done to direct their mortal wards to the proper educational tools available for personal growth and ascension, don’t forget they have a personal interest in this as well.

My comments above are also based on the assumption of there being no "visible" global celestial guidance or influence via members of Missions on this planet.  That would introduce a whole new set of variables.

Domtia
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Wenebojo on October 05, 2019, 12:16:03 AM
Ron, I've had these thoughts on this subject for a while. That is, if you could some how get The Origins book published, that would be for obvious reasons a best seller, let alone earn you probably The Nobel Peace Prize for anyone that could come up with the cure for AIDS. This popularity would in turn be a precursor for a larger audience to at least pick up and buy the 6th Epochal Revelation. Just a thought I had on this subject. Just imagine a interview with Ron Besser on Oprah Winfey Show and Jesus Christ or Martin Luther King decide to make a comment through Ron on the complete lack of understanding to further their teachings they left behind for all mankind ? 
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Clency on October 05, 2019, 03:32:10 AM
What are we to do with those bad news constantly flowing our way ? When I open the forum site every morning, the first thing is to ask myself what is waiting to befall us for to-day. It does not make sense to me for keeping back the SER while it is ready for dissemination. What is wanted right now is something that people can chew in and I think the SER can make the difference only if we are able to show them it has been brought forth by human will not, but that it is celestial in the make-up.

We don’t have to do more than that to promote the Book, we just have to let the medias do the rest and wait for the fallout. It will spread like wild-fire, the whole world will know about it in less a time, and everybody would like to have a hand over it. Unbeleivers will change the way they look at it and many will want to know more by purchasing the book, so as they can make their own opinion. The medias are fond of this kind of news and there are even some of them who are specialized in this field.

The US president is now extending his war trade to the world by imposing taxes on consumer products from european countries, it is likely to escalate until it ends up in a nuclear war, albeit many lost of lives due to cataclyms looming ahead. So, will there be any good news ? Domtia
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: 7inOcean on October 05, 2019, 06:58:40 AM
Well said Newstarsaphire and Ron. Dreamcat, I think it is reasonable to react as you did, yet we also need to remind ourselves to tread carefully in the the World of the Cross. I have to agree with arguments stated above in Ron's post as they are legimate concerns. Mother Spirit does have a point to make and so does everyone else. I am in favour of releasing the book in one piece rather than having it in pieces as suggested in a News Feed as that can get so spread out and fragmented and not in a more coherent and logical placement as it would appear in one big book, no matter how many pages the SER is. If any one has seen the highly acclaimed and popular show Game of Thrones, it too has big books for readers to read, and the same goes for others such as The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter and the Hunger Games.

Perhaps a big movie would start things off and have the book with it too!  Come on! I would have thought those artisans would come up with that one! Just yesterday, I read a news article that NASA has some findings of alien life but they are not releasing it just yet due to the unpreparedness of the public who may find it shocking to know. The SER would do just that too! If Mother Spirit has her point right, the withholding of the SER after the fact of the earth changes and population decimation in over a decade is probably a sensible choice, yet I find it a case of "too little too late" when things get more difficult to make traction. It is wise to go while the iron is hot and let nature take its course. Newstarsaphire in her post above has shown how we are led by the Spirit's leading in our lives and find the truth as we seek it. It is how we are all led here and remain steadfast to know the Father will shine His light and His compass.

I recommend we try something like it is done in clinical trials, to canvass respondents in being the new readers and see how the SER is being understood by these volunteers who participate in it. Could this be an option to trial? My main concern is that although this is clinical, I still think it best to just let the SER do what it does best, to be found and valued and have its profound impact on the reader as it is meant to do. That is what the FER has done for me as it speaks more volumes in truth to the beauty of the divine presence of God in our lives and more. It underlies as to what Jesus was about and for. It answers so many questions the biblical scriptures did not even have and it grants us all the history and the cosmology of the vast universe we are yet to be aware of. Sixteen years is a long time, and still if it were to present itself sooner, a team of divine teachers as listed above to come to help foster the dissemination of this huge book would be most welcome indeed. Bring it on Father and try us if you will.

Of course, as always in these matters of superb Revelatory work, may the Father's will be done for our beloved Urantia. We await with eager anticipation. Godspeed Father Michael.

Sue/7inOcean
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: gitz on October 05, 2019, 12:05:22 PM
Hi Sue,

Love your "Bring it on Father and try us if you will."  Where would HE find such a motley crew of Agondonters but here.  Bring it on and watch us stumble our way into helping all of YOUR winning ways. 

The question I have is this:  Is the dissemination of the SER to take place before the tilt of the earth and upheavals allowing at least a part of humanity to come to the knowledge of the TEAM that exists to help Urantia, or is it to wait till after the catastrophes?  If the latter, then 16 years is a reasonable time period to expect the return to normalcy of sorts.  It takes a minimum of 10+ years to get a coastal community to fully recover from a single category 3 or 4  hurricane.

So, here's hoping we hear the Will of God trumpet the sound, "LET'S ROLL."

Steven

Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Ron Besser on October 05, 2019, 12:24:35 PM
Okay!!!!!

WE FINALLY GOT SOMETHING!!!!

This morning for two hours the harangue with spirit over the coming 7th epochal revelation was hammered out one again.  Ron, they said, we now see this as you do and those on this web site discussion forum. If we do not act at once and give you the book to photograph and then disseminate, we lose a huge chance to make it work as a God send instead of a museum piece for help on Urantia.

I state this after they all but burned my ears off.

As soon as they oil and grease their materializing machine to start it up to produce one new epochal revelation on my dining room table, there will be one there for me to do  this first:

1 Photograph it and place photos on this list
2 The photos will got to Facebook if I an figure out a way to do that because I think that weird list how censors promoting self help books . . .
3 Bulletin 3 will go out announcing its appearance ASAP
4 The Urantia Foundation, the Fellowship, and assuming other interests can be addressed, will receive an invitation to come to York to talk about what they ought to do or should do or can do.  That is out of my hands right now.  For now:

I leave this to ponder over:  York will have an office building with a secretary and a couple of us to stand there in the cold and tell people we have something new to sell.  How much they buy or read or take or run with is up  to them as the new Foundation will never behave like the old Urantia Foundation, mostly I fail to understand what they spend all that money on and there is no translation except Spanish to be done.

ATTENTION:
A Spanish translation is already almost finished by Spirit.  This time read the revelation as it was meant ot be heard to all who use Spanish as their main language.

The French translation will have to wait for a year and Spirit will do that one too.  These translations are good but not good enough!

Russian and Chinese translations are very special problems and no final decision has been taken about what to provide here at all.  Stand by maybe for years while spirit looks at these nation states and how much they need a language to read more comfortable to them than English is to most other readers.

I leave it for that now as things are brewing again I understand a lot better than I did in the past week of fights with the RESIDUAL SUPREME and the Undulating Ultimate which never lets up on Urantia these last few days.

RON
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: amethyst on October 05, 2019, 01:26:13 PM
Love all your comments here.  Newstarsaphire, I agree marketing was not the reason I too, got the book, or maybe I should say the book found me.  My brother brought it home from college for my mother.  It was one of his textbooks.  She was not interested, but once I opened the pages, I didn't put it down for weeks.  I just about went into hibernation with it. I believe each of us received the book because of our angels and Thought Adjusts, as Newstarsaphire says.

I am so happy to learn that it will be coming our way soon, and like Steven I wonder if it will be after the axis shift of the earth.  Ron brings us great news, but seventh? epochal revelation.  Opps it looks like I have to go back and re=read something that I missed.  I probably read about it being the seventh, but forgot.  I can't wait for the photo.
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: prozonov on October 05, 2019, 01:59:50 PM
Until the end of the cataclysms, the publication of the sixth epochal revelation is meaningless !!!


Who will read or listen to these revelations?


Christian churches do not worship and pray to the Father, but to Savoof and Jägva (volcano). They have Christ - a member of the trinity, the mother of Jesus, who gave birth to 9 children - a virgin, they pray to "saints", icons, relics, they, although "believers", but hate each other. For them, the gospel or the preaching of "father" is an indisputable authority. Yes, in the grave they saw this Urantia Book. I was convinced from my own experience. When he began to speak about the truths of the fifth epochal revelation, he became an enemy and heretic for them.


The second obstacle is the living ideology of the supreme, lucifer and caligastia, set forth in the torus. As long as there are adepts of the Torah, the Almighty and Lucifer are alive.


Only after the global cleansing of the planet from the bearers of the uprising is it possible to revive humanity on the new ideology of the Father and Christ.


He who survives will understand the divine truth.


We will not throw beads in front of pigs (atheists), which, unfortunately, the vast majority on the planet.


Give disasters!


H.S. And readers in Russian, if there is a translation, will be no less than in other languages. Offensive neglect ...
 


До окончания катаклизмов публикация шестого эпохального откровения БЕССМЫСЛЕННА!!!
Кто будет читать или слушать эти откровения?
Христианские церкви поклоняются и молятся не Отцу, а Савоофу и ягве (вулкану). У них Христос – член троицы, мать Иисуса, родившая 9 детей – дева, они молятся «святым», иконам, мощам, они, хоть и «верующие», но ненавидят друг друга. Для них евангелие или проповедь «батюшки» - непререкаемый авторитет. Да в гробу они видели эту Книгу Урантии. Убедился на собственном опыте. Когда стал говорить об истинах пятого эпохального откровения, стал для них врагом и еретиком.
Второе препятствие - это живая идеология верховного, люцифера и калигастии, изложенная в торе. Пока есть адепты торы, жив всевышний и Люцифер.
Только после глобального очищения планеты от носителей восстания возможно возрождение человечества на новой идеологии Отца и Христа.
Кто выживет тот и поймет божественную истину.
Не будем метать бисер перед свиньями (безбожниками), которых, к сожалению, подавляющее большинство на планете.
Даешь катаклизмы!
H.S. А читателей на русском, если будет перевод, будет не меньше, чем на других языках. Обидное пренебрежение…
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: 7inOcean on October 05, 2019, 02:52:07 PM
This looks good Ron, YAY! Steve, I agree with 'bring it on' and soon not later. Amethyst, if it is not a typo error, I think it may be the Seventh Epochal Revelation due to the revision done on the Sixth Epochal Revelation due to the changes that occurred with the death of God the Supreme and a rewrite had to be done again on the book. Let's wait and see shall we...and thank you Ron and Father Michael.

Sue/7inOcean
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Ron Besser on October 05, 2019, 03:33:01 PM
Prozonov, you sound as sour as the Kremlin when we offer orchids of joy!  What is the problem of having the sixth epochal revelation to read as you have lunch at work?  Can we try just a little smile for Mantutia, huh, please?  He works as hard as Putin does to surprise us with good news.  Let us hope that Mantutia does a little better though, as we have to hold on to the new sixth epochal revelation for decades more than we held on to the fifth epochal revelation, for sure!  Ron

Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: prozonov on October 06, 2019, 06:42:28 AM
For Ron. We have such a proverb: "I told him about Thomas, and he told me about Yerema."
And here is the sixth epochal revelation?
The point is who will read, perceive and understand it.
The current population of Urantia is unable to accept it.
Proof - membership and traffic to our site.
Ron - tell the truth, we will understand and get ready.
Believe me, the majority do not give a damn about what we are discussing here.
 
Для Рона. У нас есть такая пословица: «Я ему про Фому, а он мне про Ерему».
Причем тут шестое эпохальное откровение?
Смысл в том, кто его будет читать, воспринимать и понимать.
Нынешнее население Урантии принять его неспособно.
Доказательство – членство и посещаемость нашего сайта.
Рон – говорите правду, мы поймем и приготовимся.
Поверьте – большинству наплевать на то, о чем мы тут рассуждаем.
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Ron Besser on October 06, 2019, 09:03:57 AM
Dear Prozonov, you speak the truth and I fully agree with your analysis.  At least that is true of the fifth epochal revelation.  You I assume love it as much as I do and together with those who love it too, it lives and has it place among our lives and in our future adjustments for what God wants from us.  I cannot disagree with your views on it; however, here is a point to be made you do not look at and why the sixth epochal revelation is so important to promote:

Mantutia Melchizedek runs the Revelatory Commission that rewrote all the epochal revelation for Urantia over the past six years.  HE rewrote the sixth epochal revelation at least four times, mostly because changes so big keep happening the written book becomes outdated as fast as they rewrite it.  Now all of a sudden on Urantia, we have an angry Supreme Being, and we call that angry Supreme Being, the Residual Supreme.  Those are English words that I think may be hard to translate into Russian.  Let me define the English word "RESIDUAL," the way we use it here.

To be "residual" means to be "left over."  If you eat from a dish at supper time and you send the dish back to the kitchen ot eating all on your dish but do not want it anymore, the food left on your dish to throw out is really a residual of your supper.  Or to put it another way, the Residual Supreme, is what is left of God the Supreme in our minds and bodies on our planet Urantia.  For our information, in our Local Universe of Nebadon, all human planets in particular, are being brought up in their human development so as to embrace the work of God the Supreme and not entire Michael of Nebadon.  Michael of Nebadon is a Creator Son and as such his prerogatives and choices meet the standards if HE were the Supreme, but he chose to have God the Supreme do all of it for us and he would step back for our own good as a future perfected being called a Finaliter.

Now what the Residual Supreme has done to humans on Urantia is really scary.  HE is making it impossible for the Creator Son, Michael of Nebadon, send his Mission work to Urantia.  The Residual Supreme is challenging every move the Creator Son, Gabriel, Mother Spirit, and everyone else from Salvington, to move to remove the influence of this left over and angry God the Supreme, so they can restart our lives on Urantia and elsewhere to be under the loving care of our Father on Paradise.

The Residual Supreme thinks it must st all any chance for an epochal revelation from appearing in your or my life time Prozonov.  And that goes for every other human on Urantia, such as your wife or your mother or your boss at work and all the people you see walking up and down the street you live on.  Moscow is full of a hateful Residual Supreme and so is Washington DC and so is Beijing of China, and collectively, the angry and broken Residual Supreme, is forcing people to conclude there is nothing to do with their lives but live hopelessly without God the Supreme as their destiny to be happy someday.  That Residual Supreme no longer supports the word happy for mankind and is determined to bring us to war if nothing else to remove Urantia from any state as any kind of good planet left at all for itself.  That is truly what is being battled with Urantia, and its Planetary Government, and this web site and all else you see as a loss to your view that we can do any good at all.

Now that I said that here is the thing about the sixth epochal revelation.  First, it replaces the total failure of the fifth epochal revelation to catch on with any amount of readership.  You point that out fully and truthfully.  You reason then, it will happen to the sixth epochal revelation too, but if I live to get through this horrible mess the Supreme threw at me to be rid of me, I tell you I will direct it far differently from what you see how the fifth epochal revelation was handled and really killed it off before it had half a chance to make something of itself for all mankind.

My intention Prozonov is make the sixth epochal revelation sing a song of a huge triumphant chorus of a Book of Revelation.  We will let the Orthodox Church, and the western Church in Rome, and all of the little churches around Christianity and Confucius and Buddhism and Hinduism and even Zoroasterism  and the Jews learn that God has a new covenant with man and has issued his view of why he renews his love and care for all of mankind and this book explains most of why it is so important for man to know it.  I will advertise it on television and we will establish schools to teach its means to help us, all mankind and womankind, and make it so big in the public eye they will talk about it a lot.  That is the effort I promise you I will make to make it a mysterious but healthy household world to review with the eyes and mind of the autoworker, and the army sergeant, and the CEO of a big corporation, even if they make not great sense of it, they will know something of it in the billions and nor a few millions as we now have it with the fifth epochal revelation.

When we do that, we throw out the old model that epochal revelation is exclusive and to be read among we elite who had to work so hard to understand its great value.  Now we are going to make it available as a covenant with God and people will have it at least sitting around like the Bible sits around today because people feel obligated to take it on sometimes.  Here is the Chief for that new epochal covenant, Mantutia Melchizedek:

MANTUTIA MELCHIZEDEK - "wE ARE IN TOTAL AGREEMENT with how Ron wishes to force the world into reading a new revelation almost in the style of John the Revelator.  There are billions of people who rather read the Biblical Book of Revelation everyday than look at a book like the sixth epochal revelation.  Ron said to us, is there anything wrong to promote this book like JOHN WROTE THIS BOOK as final gift to mankind from God  to help him find peace and prosperity?

"At first we did not like the idea at all.  Then Ron points out that the Urantia Foundation treats itself as chosen and all else must learn their ways or get lost.  When we examined how the fifth epochal revelatio was handled, we decided Ron should do it his way, as we have asked Ron to shepherd the sixth epochal revelation into the lives of people all over Urantia.  To do that he must advertise and explain in no uncertain terms this book is dynamite and a must have in the home to read when the spirit strikes them to do so.  I rewrote the sixth epochal revelation four times, and each time it was made simpler and easier to understand, and finally it has a full teaching in the back as Part IV not but as Part V as we added a new section in this new epochal revelation you never got in the fifth epochal revelation.  We expect this to work much better and Ron will have a budget to make his claims work as he will advertise it and print it until we cover the world with tis presence.  Good for God!  For a change!  and we mean that totally for you who work hard on this site to make sense out of the terrible situation you find yourselves in this morning.  That is news for later today, but the world inches toward nuclear war if we cannot find a way to stop Iran  and Washington from eyeing each other as the Satan let loose on a world of otherwise good people.

"We intend to announce our incarnated appearances to save Urantia with the sixth epochal revelation as our introduction to God, and then use it to teach how to work and live better.  Do not put it away from your heart before you see how it is to be used for all mankind shortly. I am Mantutia, and I wish you all a good day. MANTUTIA MELCHIZEDEK."

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "Ron remains badly ill and done in this morning but insists that the only way to make the covenant with God a two way street is to force the issue of the old religion with the new understanding of God, as being synonymous for each other.  I never thought of it that way, and he has every chance now to do that with an advertising campaign to make people listen and work hard.  Do not mistake this advertising campaign to be evangelical, but more Star Wars type Hans Solo and Princess Leia, as I am there pushing hard to keep it well stated for us too.  We are ready to go as soon as I can figure out how to materialize a volume to photograph it for this site and others to show you it is real and ready  to be useful.  I am MICHAEL OF NEBADON and wish all a good day."

END


Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Clency on October 06, 2019, 10:40:08 AM
Thank you Ron for bringing out a clear schema about how the SER will be presented to the world. I love the idea of you announcing at the tv, particularly if it is at a moment of great audience, showing the Book in a well-binded leather coverage in blue color and whose printing is wholly from Spirit domain. There will be investigations for sure beforehand, but the medias will come out eye to eye with reality, when there is an incarnated personality to approve the fact. This is the news I am waiting for.  Domtia
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: roger krupa on October 06, 2019, 08:48:10 PM
I am sorry to say that I must sympathize with prozonov about this world's interest in revelation.  Few people have ever read the Urantia Book with much comprehension and fewer still have seen the implied promise of further revelation.  This knowledge was meant for all the world, for each man to absorb to the best of his ability.  It was never meant to be dogmatized, crystalized or made into a cult.  I believe the injunction was "Guard the Secrets, Reveal them Constantly."  The Urantia Foundation did the first part but failed the second part.  There are a few of us who know the truth of these matters, but as prozonov said, most people don't care.  You simply cannot teach somebody who thinks he knows it all.  I will be the first to admit that there is much that I do not know, but I am curious enough to learn as much as I can.  As for how I came into this fold, I had read PD Ouspenski's book "Tertium Organum" and was looking for more of his books when I saw the Urantia Book on the shelf.  I didn't pick it up that day because I was low on funds but for the next week I was obsessed about it.  One week later I spent twenty dollars and took it home and began to read it.  I didn't give up on it, I just kept reading and understanding more and more over the years.  However I never had any interest in seeking out any Urantia Book study groups.  Seems I too was warned away from such things.  Now why could this have been?  

A strange thing has happened to me lately and at a few times in the past.  I was lying in stillness and I saw reams of documents scrolling across my screen, way too fast to read, but I saw diagrams and schematics as well as much writing.  I have read in the Urantia Book about how certain essential information is stored in the minds of certain reserve corps members.  I wonder if this may be the case here because I cannot seem to access this information myself.  I only get shadows which are probably subconscious.  I will not worry myself over this.  God's will be done.  

Domtia, Roger Krupa
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: amethyst on October 06, 2019, 10:25:28 PM
This discussion reminds me of something my Adjuster told me many years ago.  He said, "God can make people see the truth, but He cannot make them care about it."  That will be up to each one of them.  I for one am thrilled about the coming revelation and the way in which it will be disseminated.  In the end, those who actually care to learn it will be given ample opportunity to do so without having their current beliefs stripped away from them, a very wise thing indeed.  It will come down to how they use their freewill, and will they have the intelligence to use it wisely.  

Another question--Will we get ample time to study it before it is released, or will it be released to all at the same time?  If I am asked questions about it, I would like to be prepared to have at least some answers for folks.
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Ron Besser on October 06, 2019, 11:25:07 PM
Amethyst, I hear now that the sixth epochal revelation is stored near me but unavailable until they figure out how to materialize one copy and not the whole barn full of them at the same time.  But once materialized, and released generally, that is not to occur until the advertising campaign is released for a day or two, they say, and then the cartons holding all these books will be released to me for mailing purposes.


If the advertising is successful, and there is an inundation of books to mail out, out the books go to the book stores from me to them to distribute and maybe to Amazon too.  But do not forget Amazon is kind of contaminated and is still selling from pages of the old Urantia Book or fifth epochal revelation.  Frankly, I do not know how the powers to be are going to handle this initial conflict if it does happen.


But the idea is this.  Nobody gets a lead time to know the book before it is sold to the general pubic.  That is how I read the policy right now.  My work is to be a mailman at first and then worry later how what I mail fits the uses of the old epochal fifth revelation at that time.  I intend to carry it out as directed and I am not especially worried about problems that are conflicts with what the Urantia Foundation may be doing on its own.  We have no indication right now the Urantia Foundation will even be sensitive to
the fact the sixth epochal revelation is now in simultaneous existence with the book of the fifth.


MANTUTIA MELCHIZEDEK = "Ron has it right on the center of the noggin he uses to think.  He sees it going going going regardless of what the fifth epochal sales volumes are doing at the same time.  That was our decision lately to dam the torpedoes and we take the consequences as they arise and let us see the reaction of the Urantia Foundation if it takes no measure to work the fifth epochal revelation out of circulation which is what it has to do if it is coordinated at all. K."


MICHAEL OF NEBADON-  "Amethyst, you worry too much over fine threads when trying to darn a big hold in your sock.  The truth is the fifth epochal revelation is now all but useless due to huge gaping errors caused by so many changes the old book reads like an eighteenth century hymnal, as the language is poorly perceived now and the trial of information so ludicrous to the average mind, it does not compute any more but this new one will and we see Ron making great strides to do it as it comes down to him to do it.  Let us see what happens when we set it loose soon enough!  Michael of Nebadon."

END
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: prozonov on October 07, 2019, 03:44:02 AM
Дорогой Рон! Спасибо за подробный и детальный ответ!

Если шестое откровение будет на русском языке в оригинале, я готов развивать и поддерживать свой собственный сайт в Интернете. Есть такой опыт.

С уважением,
Александр Прозонов


Дорогой Рон! Спасибо за развернутый и обстоятельный ответ!
Если шестое откровение будет на русском в оригинале, я готов разработать и сопровождать собственный сайт в Интернете. Опыт есть.
С уважением,
Александр Прозонов
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: 7inOcean on October 07, 2019, 05:55:53 AM
I used Google translate for Prozonov's post in Russian into English:

Dear Ron! Thanks for the detailed and detailed answer!

If the sixth revelation will be in Russian in the original, I am ready to develop and maintain my own website on the Internet. There is such an experience.

Respectfully,
Alexander Prozonov


Dear Ron! Thank you for the detailed and detailed answer!
If the sixth revelation will be in Russian in the original, I am ready to develop and maintain my own website on the Internet. There is experience.
Respectfully,
Alexander Prozonov
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: JuliodaLuz on October 07, 2019, 06:42:10 PM
Subject: A humble proposal for a solution to overcoming the interference of God, the Supreme Residual on our planet and our local Nebadon universe, as well as gradually returning to normality in the universe of universes.

After the two successful eye surgeries I am effectively returning to comments on the Serara Forum.

In my view, I repeat, after the death of God, the Supreme, and because of the existence of God, the Supreme in a residual form requires a greater Deity to replace in its entirety, even the residual part of God, the supreme.

In my view, as I commented earlier here at the Serara Forum, we humans and personalities of the local universe of Nebadon should seek connection first with Michael de Nebadon and Divine Minister Nebadonia, then together the search for connection. , with God the Absolute.

To me, this is the answer to overcoming this whole situation that is currently happening, and in this I am using my co-creative energy.

God the Supreme was part of God the Absolute who is the chief Deity of the universe of universes.

This solution, in my view, may be the answer to overcoming the interference of God, Supreme Residual on our planet and in our local Nebadon universe.

Finally, in conclusion, I repeat that it is only a humble opinion of an evolutionary human being of time and space, and the foremost of all is the will of God, Universal Father of All.


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Assunto: Uma humilde proposta de solução para superar as interferências de Deus, o Supremo Residual em nosso planeta e no nosso universo local de Nebadon bem como a volta, aos poucos, a normalidade no universo dos universos.

Após as duas cirurgias nos olhos que foram realizadas com sucesso estou retornando efetivamente aos comentários no Fórum Serara.

Em minha visão, eu repito, após a morte de Deus, o Supremo e em razão da existência de Deus, o Supremo de forma residual é necessário que uma Deidade maior substitua, em sua integralidade, ou seja, inclusive a parte residual de Deus, o Supremo.

Em minha visão, como comentei anteriormente aqui no Fórum Serara, nós seres humanos e personalidades do universo local de Nebadon devemos buscar a conexão em primeiro lugar com Michael de Nebadon e com a Ministra Divina Nebadonia, em seguida, em conjunto, a busca de conexão, com Deus, o Absoluto.

Para mim, esta é a resposta para superação de toda esta situação em que está acontecendo no momento, e nisto eu estou usando minha energia co-criativa.

Deus, o Supremo fazia parte de Deus, o Absoluto que é a principal Deidade do universo dos universos. 

Esta solução, em minha visão, pode ser a resposta para superar as interferências de Deus, Supremo Residual em nosso planeta e em nosso universo local de Nebadon.

Por fim, concluindo, eu repito que é apenas uma humilde opinião de um ser humano evolucionário do tempo e do espaço, sendo que o principal de tudo é que seja feita a vontade de Deus, Pai Universal de Todos.
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: JuliodaLuz on October 07, 2019, 09:32:19 PM
...[...]...

My intention Prozonov is make the sixth epochal revelation sing a song of a huge triumphant chorus of a Book of Revelation.  We will let the Orthodox Church, and the western Church in Rome, and all of the little churches around Christianity and Confucius and Buddhism and Hinduism and even Zoroasterism  and the Jews learn that God has a new covenant with man and has issued his view of why he renews his love and care for all of mankind and this book explains most of why it is so important for man to know it.  I will advertise it on television and we will establish schools to teach its means to help us, all mankind and womankind, and make it so big in the public eye they will talk about it a lot.  That is the effort I promise you I will make to make it a mysterious but healthy household world to review with the eyes and mind of the autoworker, and the army sergeant, and the CEO of a big corporation, even if they make not great sense of it, they will know something of it in the billions and nor a few millions as we now have it with the fifth epochal revelation.



Hi Ron I fully agree with the widespread dissemination of the Urantia Book II, which represents the sixth revelation of the time, widely on all television channels. Television is the main means of communication on our planet. Billions of people, a large part of the world's population, watch television daily.

When I first read the Urantia Book in 2010, I felt that the Urantia Foundation's biggest misconception was that it was not widely disseminated by the media, especially television.

I will just report an example here in Brazil of the importance of television.

Experts in Brazil do not know why there is little movement of the population for measles vaccination (ie measles or measles) that has returned worldwide, including in Brazil.

A new vaccination campaign began today in Brazil, October 7, 2019, with very little movement of the population according to television news.

I know the reason and I will explain.

Formerly, previous Brazilian governments spent on many paid advertisements on all major television channels broadly informing the population of vaccination campaigns. And these advertisements worked. The population of Brazil was going to vaccinate in large quantities.

Nowadays the federal government in Brazil spends little on paid advertising for the wide spread of vaccination campaigns of various diseases.

There are few federal government programs considering the importance of the theme for public health. Yes, there is some advertising, but very little, especially regarding the governments of decades ago in Brazil.

Another example of the power of television. When a television show passes a subject with an interview, for example, from people dealing with various subjects, there is a huge demand from people for the subject.

For example, when a documentary was made on a television program about the "Community Supports Agriculture", there was a great demand here in Brasilia for this type of food production, which here in Brasilia is mainly for organic food, without production of food. pesticides.

Another example, every year when there is, for a period, the annual "dance of the famous" program on television, dance academies across Brazil are filled with people who want to learn to dance.

Today, the power of television is immense for outreach.

I always thought that the Urantia Foundation should have sought to spread through television what it did not do.

Now, in these new times, I believe that one should seek dissemination in the media most used by people to hear the news, especially television, doing interviews on all television channels that make room for it.

I saw this week at home a movie about Winston Churchill Prime Minister of England in World War II. The British prime minister used the radio to request all civilian boats to evacuate the English who were besieged in Europe by the Nazis so that they could escape to England. At that time, the main means of communication was the radio. And it was used successfully because, according to the film, thousands of civilian vessels helped rescue nearly 300,000 Englishmen who were blocked by the Nazis back to England where they sought to defend the English nation.

In the recent past, radio was the main means of communication. Today, the main means of communication is television. In the future, who knows what will be the main means of communication for peoples around the world?

What I mean is that to get results you have to use the main existing media.

Finally, just as a curiosity, there is a popular proverb in Brazil; "Advertising is the soul of business".


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Oi Ron. Eu concordo plenamente com a ampla divulgação do Livro de Urantia II que representa a sexta revelação da época, amplamente por todos os canais de televisão. A televisão é o principal meio de comunicação em nosso planeta. Bilhões de pessoas, uma grande parte da população mundial,  assistem os programas de televisão diariamente.

Quando eu li o Livro de Urantia pela primeira vez no ano de 2010, eu senti que o maior equivoco da Fundação Urantia era a não divulgação de forma ampla pelos meios de comunicação principalmente a televisão.

Apenas vou relatar um exemplo aqui no Brasil da importância da televisão.

Os especialistas do Brasil não sabem por que está tendo pouco movimentação da população para vacinação contra o sarampo (ou seja a doença conhecida como sarampo ou em inglês measles) que voltou em todo mundo, inclusive, no Brasil.

Uma nova campanha de vacinação começou hoje, no Brasil, dia 07 de outubro de 2019, com pouquíssima movimentação da população segundo as notícias da televisão.

Eu sei o motivo e vou explicar.

Antigamente, os governos brasileiros anteriores gastavam com muitas propagandas pagas em todos os principais canais de televisão informando amplamente a população das campanhas de vacinação. E estas propagandas davam resultado. A população do Brasil ia vacinar em grande quantidade.

Hoje em dia o governo federal no Brasil gasta pouco em propaganda pagas para a ampla divulgação das campanhas de vacinação das diversas doenças.

São poucas as progagandas do governo federal considerando a importância do tema para a saúde pública. Sim, é feita alguma propaganda, mas muito pouco, em relação principalmente aos governos de décadas atrás no Brasil.

Outro exemplo do poder da televisão. Quando um programa de televisão passa um assunto com entrevista, por exemplo, de pessoas que tratam sobre os diversos assuntos, há uma procura enorme das pessoas em relação ao assunto.

Exemplo, quando foi feita um documentário em um programa de televisão sobre a "Comunidade Sustenta a Agricultura", houve uma procura muito grande aqui em Brasília deste tipo de produção de alimentos que aqui em Brasília, se voltam principalmente aos alimentos orgânicos, sem produção de agrotóxicos.

Outro exemplo, todo ano quando há, por um período, o programa anual de  "dança dos famosos" na televisão, as academias de danças do Brasil inteiro se enchem de pessoas que querem aprender a dançar.

Atualmente, o poder da televisão é imenso para a divulgação.

Eu sempre pensei que a Fundação Urantia deveria ter buscado a divulgação através da televisão o que não fez.

Agora, nesses novos tempos, eu acredito que se deve buscar a divulgação nas mídias mais utilizadas pelas pessoas para ouvir as notícias, principalmente, a televisão, fazendo entrevistas em todos os canais de televisão que abrirem espaço para isto.

Eu vi nesta semana em casa um filme sobre Winston Churchill primeiro-ministro da Inglaterra na segunda guerra mundial. O primeiro ministro inglês usou a rádio para requisitar todos os barcos civis para evacuação dos ingleses que estava sitiados na Europa pelos nazistas para que conseguissem fugir para a Inglaterra. Naquela época, o principal meio de comunicação era o rádio. E foi usado com sucesso, pois segundo o filme, milhares de embarcações civis ajudaram a resgatar aproximadamente 300 mil ingleses que estava bloqueados pelos nazistas de volta para a Inglaterra aonde buscaram defender a nação inglesa.

No passado recente, o rádio era o principal meio de comunicação. Hoje, o principal meio de comunicação é a televisão. No futuro, quem sabe qual será o principal meio de comunicação para os povos do mundo inteiro?

O que eu quero dizer é que para que haja resultados é necessário usar os principais meios de comunicação existentes.
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Por fim, apenas como curiosidade, existe um provérbio popular no Brasil; "a propaganda é a alma do negócio".
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: weydevu on October 09, 2019, 10:58:35 AM
Hi Ron, your post to Prozonov in delivering the SER the world's population was I think the most inspiring post in some time, I thank you, Mantutia Melchizedek and MICHAEL OF NEBADON for keeping our hopes alive for what is most desperately needed on Urantia at this time.

I have a question, you said:   " the angry and broken Residual Supreme, is forcing people to conclude there is nothing to do with their lives but live hopelessly without God the Supreme as their destiny to be happy someday."

Most on Urantia have no idea who God the Supreme is unless you are speaking of how we perceive him in our unconscious mind?  The only time I heard reference of God the Supreme outside of TUB was through those who practice Islam and they refer to Allah as the Supreme Being.

Domtia

Weydevu
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Ron Besser on October 09, 2019, 12:50:08 PM
Hello Weydevu.  You speak and clearly stated.  I am forced everyday to concede we are not dealing with a fair situation to us or to even the Local Universe.  It is so hard to evaluate situations purposefully kept from us in order to have constant maneuvering room.   This morning I am fighting a battle with unknown individuals over to include God the Supreme with my uses of service.  It infuriates me to the point I am ready to throw the baby of service out with the bath water.  There is no excuse for any of it in my tiny mind and yet I am blasted daily with unremitting painful situations and a desire to distance myself from the gravy train we think is at last a restatement for epochal revelation on Urantia.  I doubt the good motivation of some who seems to support but really are wolves in sheep clothing.  I will never tolerate them or the cross purposes they represent.

That said, Weydevu, you state succinctly what I fully believe in.  The SER exists because it has to.  It exists conditionally to man only because it is also a political football, yet you yourself seem to be naive about such tings to the point that when we state the SER is ready to appear, you are happy to see it do so almost in the vacuum of a non political happiness.  It cannot so appear, but it can appear with you non political view in mind and that is what I support above all other cost to do.  I have no real reason to blast anyone, except I do fully expect some honesty at some point just what the game is to be played here to avoid the worst political repercussions the appearance of a new epochal revelation does to those who have cast their entire lives upon the perpetuation of the fifth epochal revelation.

My philosophy contends that if you play politics with us from the spirit side than you open the door to the inevitable conclusion you, spirit, have no real deep conscious view of how that works against the simplicity of Jesus in his day:   tell it like it is and let the consequences alone be God's.   I simply fail to understand why we are subject to complex political struggles regarding the issuance of the coming epochal revelation however it is viewed in higher territories than Urantia or ourselves.

You and Clency and several others here are clear voices and I refuse to accept you are wrong to need some assurance that they mean what they say without giving us the Brooklyn salute every time we tear up for the sake of God and what these revelations could do for at least a few of us.  And there are enough of us who truly care we get progress with what God does so well and that is to tell us like it is for we live in a tools Paradise all the time otherwise.
Ron






Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: SonsofGod on October 09, 2019, 07:40:06 PM

Mother Spirit has valid points for the potential outcome of both, having one large book released versus having a Newsletter called MAGISTERIAL MISSION HEADLINES. I would think it would be great to have both, whereas each new issue of a periodic newsletter would bring into focus parts of the SER Urantia book, quoting a segment with some added explanation from, or views of the Spirit, with easy readability. It could complement and make the Urantia book revelation 'alive' in the site of new readers, while promoting its existence and reception by default. As a result, one could feel engaged in universal affairs as opposed to reading a book that had a closure in times past, even if recent past. The Newsletter could also be the outlet to reveal and discuss changes occurred or evolved since the release of the SER, ensuring that the original revelation would not get 'outdated' or incorrect as it happened with the fifth to the point of being unworthy for circulation. (I understand that the final most tragic stroke on it was by God the Supreme and I stand baffled that the Residual Supreme cannot be stopped to take from and harassing Ron, or be removed from him? / his mind? The whole subject is over my comprehensibility.)
 
The newsletter could also be an important channel to send timely messages to humanity with the potential to becoming the most prominent one on Urantia. Thus, it would serve as a source of revelation of the purpose and government of the Magisterial Mission. Importantly, it should include writings from Spirit only without human input, then twelve issues of the monthly newsletter or four quarterly could be bound into one book annually, to collect and cherish, and build into a library along the SER UB. I would also suggest to start with small production numbers for the SER UB that could be revised with each print if needed, in concordance with the newsletter.
 
Concerning the reception of such huge revelation as SER, that will vary with each individual, as 'newstarsaphire' well said, and it will take its evolutionary course. Perhaps this fact invalidates all speculations when would be the best time to release the revelation. The answer is always the right time for some, and never a good time for others, expect for the positive effect that the availability of information would create. Void of information would create spiritual void and greater confusion among religious groups, for combining various untruths will never birth truth into existence. Thus, I see the tremendous need for enlightenment and dispensation of new revelation sooner than later, as "darkness covers the earth and thick darkness the people". So as the enormous need for the manifestation of what we have learned and teach, the LOVE of our Father, Michael on Nebadon. With major earth and social changes on the horizon, we will have plenty of opportunities to walk in truth and love, when peaceful study and meditation time might not be an option for those afflicted (and that will include most or all survivals). Accordingly, having substantial number of UB distributed may fall behind the Lord's return, as Mother Spirit suggested.
 
Highest Praise to our Father and Mother, and thanks to all of you, especially Ron. 
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Ron Besser on October 09, 2019, 10:09:25 PM
SonsofGod, The Newsletter is already being worked on.  click on the attachment below to view the template being studied to see what we might produce somehow.  I liked your ideas and I thank you for posting them.  RON
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: 7inOcean on October 10, 2019, 03:13:58 AM
Ron, I loved the work being put into the Newsletter that is fabulous. There are a few typo corrections to be made, however. One of the boxes ended in mid sentence, for an example,  the first one on page one. I enjoyed SonsofGod's ideas and I agree we need both too, very well put SonsofGod. We need both the SER and the Newsletter as you have explained and it makes good sense for what both can achieve in double time. Both in relation to education and to keep updated and abreast on the ongoing happenings and changes that can be broadcasted to us from our Local Universe Capital of Salvington and also from Orvonton's Uversa. Ron, when doing the Newsletter you may need to have someone to proof read the text and keep typo errors to a minimum before publication. Accuracy in written material for public viewing is so vital and keeps it neat as well as to avoid embarrassing mistakes people will likely jump on it with unnecessary vitriol. Well, you know what I mean. If you need help with this, ask any of us to be of use in this department if required or use the spellcheck feature in the document settings you are using.

Also, I noticed there is no date placed in the header at the top of the page. I think it wise to have the day, month and year, so people know the date of publication and the relevancy of the discussion placed below it.

If any one else can add to this and find some improvements or helpful suggestions here, it would be great to bring it up here as this will help in this work for Ron to use. Thank you Ron for sharing this template as it is great to give us some idea how to go about these inputs in a more relevant way for readers to enjoy. I loved the 'did you know?' boxes. Good little snippets of info right there!

Sue/7inOcean
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: wendy.winter on October 10, 2019, 03:28:07 AM
@Ron, I'd love to include this monthly newsletter in the MFOA website too. Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Clency on October 10, 2019, 11:24:08 AM
The idea of a monthly newsletter brings me many years back when I was in touch with a biblical study group, which some of you may know as the Watch Tower. Eventhough this group is spreading wrong teachings, one cannot ignore that it is well organized in publicizing two periodics on a weekly basis in different languages. It is the work of one person not, but a team consisting of different departments, with experienced personnel. These periodics are used mainly for studying chosen parts of the Bible and at the end of a whole year they are put together to make a reference book.
 
In regards to the epochal revelations, we must be careful not to look like an evangelical institution in what we are planning to do. My fear is that people may be confused by assimilating our work with that of a new religionist and this is not what we want. It is perhaps too soon to engage ourselves on this path ; we must wait for the dissemination of the SER and the creation of the Adam&Eve schools. Just a thought. Domtia
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Ron Besser on October 10, 2019, 11:31:51 AM
Thanks to both of your for your fine encouragement.

Sue, I threw that thing together as a trial run and just put ideas out not evaluated much at all and of course the usual Besser typos crop up and I am not serious about that particular rendition being the Newsletter even.  However, I see your serious points and agree with you Sue about pristine error free copy.  I sure have a horrible time getting that ever.  I also mention Sue that the conversion over from my word processor to the template in PDf cost us that box to end in mid sentence.  That is typical of problems you run into when converting formats if you are not really watching which I was not as I placed it out to see the idea at work and not necessarily to write THE first newsletter.

The fact you two liked it and Wendy would like to reproduce it on her web makes me feel honored and I thank you very much.

I have this problem yet too:  I do hot have the  time to do it well done right off the cuff.  It took me about three hours to do that and it was to see if my word processor could handle the formatting it took and if subject material was available, not only for good information from the SER review, but also some fun to read for a change to relax the mind with some food type you are not used to in working on this site.  That newsletter is not hard to put together but some better rules of formatting have to be applied too.

The issue of no date was intentional Sue.  It was a template and I did not want to date it.  Second that header on every following page had to be reproduced without a date if I was to automate its appearance as just as template, at least in my view to work with it.  The page number automatically updates correctly to the next page with a word processor code, but the date requires taking out the template date and renewing that date every time I do a new one.  I allowed that volume I number 1 at least told the reader the sequence, but since this material can be perishable, a date has to be entered when the real newsletter might occur. 

Wendy, I would be happy to see that newsletter to be put to work on your site.  You are welcome to download that template and refine it with your edits and add a date inside those page headers.  Download the PDF from the site, convert it to an edit mode, clear out typos, and post to what you like with it as the info is timely at least for this October.  As I say there is no real newsletter yet as that has to be modified somewhat and I am not quite ready to do that until I see where the SER comes and goes.  Then we have a good reason to start that thing off right.  It is entirely up to you to let what is there now alone until you have something permanent to be done.

Now, that reminds me to say this:  Phyllis Simpson, our Newstarsaphire's real name, what you do you think if I pass this newsletter up to you once composed for you to put into an error free presentation and you can post to whatever it gets posted to at the time.  Are you interested?  You did the proofing and typing for the book ORIGINS so well this is a natural follow on if we can get this working when we have the proper foundation in place to do them.   How often?  What is your recommendation all of you?  Do you want a subscription list instead of putting it on this web site?  Comments please?

RON
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Ron Besser on October 10, 2019, 11:41:46 AM
Thanks Clency.  You suggest I believe that this newsletter should be by subscription only, I believe.  That is your concern over appearing evengelical too much, or worse shooting headlines over the capacity of the public in general just not following the issues at all.  I fully agree with that view too, but there needs to be a publication the general public might enjoy too.  Please, have you a suggestion for that mode by any chance?   Ron

PS would you like to do this with us in translation to a French version?

RON
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Clency on October 10, 2019, 12:06:29 PM
It is okay with me Ron, but I suggest that the french translation stay on the forum site for viewing by all, members and guests alike. Of course, it will be in word format, with templates if it is possible. Just give me a go-forward when it is ready. Domtia
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: newstarsaphire on October 10, 2019, 01:53:46 PM

Now, that reminds me to say this:  Phyllis Simpson, our Newstarsaphire's real name, what you do you think if I pass this newsletter up to you once composed for you to put into an error free presentation and you can post to whatever it gets posted to at the time.  Are you interested?  You did the proofing and typing for the book ORIGINS so well this is a natural follow on if we can get this working when we have the proper foundation in place to do them.  

No problem Ron I would be happy to take on this task.  

Once the style and recurring areas of content are decided upon you would have only to provide the content and title for each area in regular text and I will take care of the required formatting.

How often?  What is your recommendation all of you?  

I would suggest monthly production for the moment dated month and year, eg.  OCTOBER 2019, without issue numbers as they can imply there should be more than one issue expected each month.

Should there be a need or desire for a Newsletter providing "time sensitive special news" before month end we can always call it a "SPECIAL EDITION" OCTOBER 2019 for example; and this can be clarified in a footnote to this regard in regular monthly issues [eg.  'Time sensitive news within any given month will be provided via 'SPECIAL EDITION" Newsletters prior to issuance of the regular monthly Newsletter summation.]

Do you want a subscription list instead of putting it on this web site?  Comments please?

RON

My thoughts on this are that we have a category on this website for the Newsletter but provide only a downloadable link each month to the newsletter itself for interested parties to access and download if they choose.

Reasons:  

1.  Lists become outdated these days almost as soon as they are created and unnecessarily eat up enormous time and resources to manage.  Also removes the issue of dealing with outdated and dead email addresses.  People are notoriously lazy in managing their email addresses or even accessing them and this also prevents issues with overloaded recipient email boxes.
2.  The onus is on the interested reader to avail themselves to this material via the link given through access to this site in the Newsletter category.  Members can always share the link address with those who are not.
3.  Documents posted here are not picked up by search engines that would direct people to this site anyways.
4.  Posting the actual Newsletter documents on this site unneccesarily uses up data storage that is better served for Forum discussions.

P.S.  Once the Formatting is set up as a template,  I could provide Clency and Andre and any others the Magisterial Mission and Ron Besser approves of as translators, a copy of the template document for them to use.
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: JuliodaLuz on October 10, 2019, 02:51:53 PM
...[...]...

How often?  What is your recommendation all of you?  

I would suggest monthly production for the moment dated month and year, eg.  OCTOBER 2019, without issue numbers as they can imply there should be more than one issue expected each month.

Should there be a need or desire for a Newsletter providing "time sensitive special news" before month end we can always call it a "SPECIAL EDITION" OCTOBER 2019 for example; and this can be clarified in a footnote to this regard in regular monthly issues [eg.  'Time sensitive news within any given month will be provided via 'SPECIAL EDITION" Newsletters prior to issuance of the regular monthly Newsletter summation.]

Do you want a subscription list instead of putting it on this web site?  Comments please?

RON

My thoughts on this are that we have a category on this website for the Newsletter but provide only a downloadable link each month to the newsletter itself for interested parties to access and download if they choose.

Reasons:  

1.  Lists become outdated these days almost as soon as they are created and unnecessarily eat up enormous time and resources to manage.  Also removes the issue of dealing with outdated and dead email addresses.  People are notoriously lazy in managing their email addresses or even accessing them and this also prevents issues with overloaded recipient email boxes.
2.  The onus is on the interested reader to avail themselves to this material via the link given through access to this site in the Newsletter category.  Members can always share the link address with those who are not.
3.  Documents posted here are not picked up by search engines that would direct people to this site anyways.
4.  Posting the actual Newsletter documents on this site unneccesarily uses up data storage that is better served for Forum discussions.

P.S.  Once the Formatting is set up as a template,  I could provide Clency and Andre and any others the Magisterial Mission and Ron Besser approves of as translators, a copy of the template document for them to use.




Subject matter:
Monthly and extraordinary (special) newsletters with summary of information from the Serara Forum.

The historical value of this information from newsletters revealing, above all, the dynamics of the evolutionary worlds of time and space where designs are constantly refined and reformed to evolve from imperfection to perfection.

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Initially, I note that I am in favor of having monthly and extraordinary or special summaries of newsletters when an important event is required to be published before the monthly newsletter.

I myself created here in the Forum Serara a topic representing a newsletter for the Portuguese public, just as Clency did for the French public.

In my view, summarizing information through newsletters is very interesting for people to view information.

In my view, the summary through a newsletter is important, because this is how news is reported in a newspaper, magazine, radio, internet, or television, where a prior analysis of the information is made to highlight any specific subject.

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Thus, I agree with the comments from newstarsaphire (Phillys).

I would just add that the monthly newsletter, with month and year, as well as special edition, when there is an extraordinary fact that deserves publication before the monthly publication, all these informative should be permanently.

That is, even if there is a radical change with the previous information, the newsletter will remain as historical information of the intentions or potential of what would be done at that particular time.

Regarding the topic, I note that, unless mistakenly, every six months topics without new information are automatically deleted by the Serara Forum.

Of course, if there are monthly newsletters, the topic will not be out of date.

But it may happen that special editions have a rarer frequency, and over six months with a new special edition newsletter, so the registration. Perhaps a simple answer is a small publication at least every six months, with some simple information solving this.

On the other hand, it is important, in my view, to create only one topic for the newsletter. I will explain why: - The six month period is by topic.

Incidentally if the topic is just "newsletter", containing monthly newsletter and special or special newsletter, it probably won't happen to be outdated for more than six months.


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Assunto: 
Boletins mensal e extraordinário (especial) com resumo das informações do Fórum Serara. 

O valor histórico destas informações dos boletins que revelam, acima de tudo, a dinâmica dos mundos evolucionários do tempo e espaço aonde os projetos são constantemente aperfeiçoados e reformados para a evolução da imperfeição para a perfeição.

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Inicialmente, eu registro que sou favorável da existência de boletins, com resumos, de forma mensal e extraordinária ou especial, quando um evento importante for necessário a publicação antes do boletim mensal.

Eu mesmo criei aqui no Fórum Serara um tópico representando um boletim para o público no idioma português, assim como Clency fez para o público francês. 

Em minha visão, a síntese de informações através de boletins é muito interessante para as pessoas visualizar as informações. 

Em minha visão, o resumo através de um boletim é importante, pois esta forma é como são informadas notícias divulgadas em um jornal, revista, rádio, internet, ou televisão, aonde é feito uma análise prévia das informações para ressaltar algum assunto específico.

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Assim, eu concordo com as observações de newstarsaphire (Phillys).

Apenas acrescentaria que o boletim informativo mensal, com mês e ano, bem como, edição especial, quando houver um fato extraordinário que mereça publicação antes da publicação mensal, todos este informativos devem ficar de forma permanente.

Ou seja, mesmo que houver mudança radical com a informação anterior, o boletim ficará como informação histórica das intenções ou potencial do que seria feita naquele determinado momento.

A respeito do tema, eu registro que, salvo engano, a cada seis meses os tópicos sem nova informações são apagados de forma automática pelo Fórum Serara.

Logicamente, se houverem boletins mensais, o tópico não ficará desatualizado. 

Só que podem ocorrer que as edições especiais tenham frequência mais rara, e supere os seis meses com um novo boletim de edição especial, por isto o registro. Talvez, uma simples resposta é uma pequena publicação no mínimo a cada seis meses, com alguma informação simples resolva isto.

Por outro lado, é importante, em minha visão, que seja criado apenas um tópico para o boletim. Vou explicar o motivo disto: - O período de seis meses é por tópico. 

Aliás se o tópico for apenas "boletim", contendo boletim mensal e boletim extraordinário ou especial, provavelmente não acontecerá de ficar desatualizado por mais de seis meses.

Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: 7inOcean on October 10, 2019, 03:17:07 PM
I am leaning more to the subscription idea mainly because of a few reasons I state below:
1. Due to a subscription, it opens up the material to the wider public who wish to take an interest in these developments.
2. Placing it on the Forum site poses some problems, because only members can access the link. Guests cannot see the template as members can, so this limits the intention of the newsletter for public consumption.
3. Subscription would allow the fund raised to keep these editions flowing and cover the running cost of the website to have them available for anyone to enjoy.
4. It is a neat way and a dedicated way of service as a reach out tool to keep the public updated as per the reason for the Newsletters to be produced in the first place.
5. I like Phyllis's ideas on the way around specifying the edition in certain cases, this allows some area of manuevering around circumstances we may find ourselves in. Hence, the flexibility of additional material.
I have to go to work now, these are the ones I have thought of at this stage, this is a great step forward Ron and, although I can be eagle eyed on typos, in the final cut, these publications would do a lot of service to allow people the awareness of what our divine administration have to share with us all. Even if it can be achieved with as much effort as can humanly be afforded. Thank you so much.

Sue/7inOcean
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: roger krupa on October 10, 2019, 04:42:55 PM
I like the idea of a downloadable news letter.  I have downloads of the ABC Summaries and most of the Flurry's.  I think at years end they should all be bound in a yearbook with a summary detailing changes and events over the year.  When the yearbook is on line the previous newsletters can be deleted since they are redundant.  Just a thought.
Domtia, Roger
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Billabong on October 11, 2019, 03:38:13 AM
Hello Ron and forum members,



Back in early September, we received this from Machiventa in a post by Ron:


"We in Nebadon have recently experience a insurrection of the worst kind.  The total carnage is on Nebadon's capital, one thousand forty-five Sentoras dead or dying; three hundred Supreme Seraphim who refuted the Supreme after his rebellious behavior; sixteen thousand five hundred Morontial Beings on Uversa under the guidance of Lanaforge and who was denied further access to the Federated Local Universes after attempting to murder the human Ron Besser and three others names unknown to Urantia; seven hundred twenty-two morontial beings on Salvington working as liaison officers with Urantia and Panoptia; five hundred twenty-six humans on Panoptia were struck dead for delivering an ultimatum to the Planetary Prince, then Lanaforge. and who are now fully revived but unwell for sometime to come; ten thousand heartless deaths on Urantia over the issue of God the Supreme and the disposition of its children then under the Planetary Supreme, aka Gaia, and the final funeral rights for sixteen thousand morontia beings on Satania on mansion world six, not excluding the people who worked on and prevented any further misuse of the fifth epochal revelation under the auspices of the leadership of the Trustees of the Urantia Foundation of Chicago.  Let it be known that Ron Besser, told others of the Urantia Foundation, that its staff was proposed to be helpful for the dissemination of the sixth epochal revelation, but now that the Supreme has utterly destroyed the plates for the sixth epochal revelation, we must redo the entire printing for the sake of brevity and heart rather than force Ron Besser to redo the plates too.  He is fully capable of doing these things and will do so;


I find this difficult to understand--- are plates, as in printing plates, still used in making the SER, on Salvington?


How then, can copies of the SER be warehoused nearby, unmaterialized?



Will producing one copy be a manifold task? What technique is utilized in "materializing" ? Are plates materialized, then transferred to a local printer and physically printed and bound into a book?


When the finished copy is there for photographing, would it be possible to have Dominick Ohrbeck there, holding the book in the photo and vouching for it's authenticity?


Also, speaking of books, do we have any update from Steven Gitz on the progress of "ORIGINS" book and Ann May?


Thank you for any updates that can be provided.


White Stone 
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Ron Besser on October 11, 2019, 11:37:34 AM
White Stone it feels like ten years ago for that information as then presented.  If you recall on September 26, 2019 we had the expression of the Supreme in total annihilation, and the stark reality of now dealing without a time cohesion to the sense of a time universe even existing.

Of course it, the cohesion, still exists, but you are correct to pull those statements backup and ask what gives?  In some ways I am still back on 26 September and asking why repercussions for this outrageous statement do not clear from our lives and learn to deal with what we have left.  I state the following to you and it is as much as I think I know:
1 -  Machiventa Melchizedek was to explain, in terms we comprehend, that the ability to produce a written copy of the sixth epochal revelation, was destroyed.  I sincerely doubt they use plates ever, as that is a 1930's expression to speak to the materialization of all the Contact Commission work into paper and ink rolling off the printing presses near Chicago, Illinois.  What the Supreme apparently did was to take the hallowed mechanism they use to materialize printed material for human consumption and turn it upside down until the essence of its ability to express materially what we could read.  That stuff is a super secret process and never divulged, hence the word explanation "plate" had to do.

2 - Today, and recognize we never lose the finished epochal revelation-- just the means to materialize it as stated by Machiventa Melchizedek-- we have the SER returned and the mechanisms in plate to materialize it into a book again we can read.  I am informed it exists, that is the SER, and is ready to hand over the moment it is to be materialized for distribution.

Yet, I am almost sure there is a storm cloud in the sky around this publication.  They do not mention the storm cloud to me, but like you, it is obvious we sit with empty hands and blinking in place without a single thing to hurry up or slow down.  That might be a time portention working its way out, but then again there is no reason I can see that we wait out nothing.  I confess I know nothing more at this point, as you express it well and I wait for the same to show up, and it is hardly a speck on the horizon moving toward us.  White Stone I do not know the answer to some of this either.

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "Ron is being brutally honest and without fanfare is so ill this morning he wonders "why bother?" and I tell him this and the rest of you too:

"We have just learned that Urantia is without a father or a mother again this morning, and t hat is over the fact that the nation states on Urantia are cavorting like a bunch of grey squirrels in a forest of dead oak trees without any sense of what they are approaching to end the world as you know it.   I withdrew from Ron again at 4am this morning with him fully awake wondering why the Infinite Spirit appeared in his bedroom, and fully awake, he saw a representation on the dark ceiling of his bedroom the Isle of Paradise, and the seen superuniverses in lighted motion around it.  It did not last momentarily, but a full minute and more so that Ron put his hands behind his head and just watched it glow in his bedroom.  He said to me, "Michael no one would ever believe me what the Conjoint Actor just showed us on the ceiling here."  I fully agree, but what did not follow was the Christening of Ron out of misery and this morning he asked why we placed him be burned at the stake as that is what it feels like.  I have no good answer except to tell you and all others, this:

"Urantia is on the door of entering its death.  I cannot help that.  Father can help that, but as he told Ron this morning, why provide a sixth epochal revelation while Urantia burns from radio activity so bad, nothing will grow on hot spots Trump wants to employ in Iran and Korea.  My answer to the observation by Father is, 'okay, we let it happen, but then what do I do about the sixth epochal revelation, and Ron, and the Contact Commission, and the Urantia Foundation, and every question conceivable having to do with the redemption of a planet that has provided so much to Nebadon, I refuse to give it up?  His answer was given to Ron at 430AM this morning: suffer little children perhaps but we (meaning the Paradise Father), suffer nothing more than to abandon you and all else on Urantia.  You cannot even save yourselves with all the help we could give you on top of that.  HE left Ron and the rest of us cold and it is still that cold this morning.

"Ron fell back to sleep before 6 AM this morning and awoke a little after nine AM and tried to get up.  HE discovered he had to move his legs to over the side of the bed by using his hands to push them there.  He was totally paralyzed again and his head range like the cook calling lumber jacks to breakfast with dinging and danging in the cells up there.  He now knows there is nothing left but to wait out dissolution and no choices for our plans to materialize without a change of heart from above.  It is not coming anytime soon, but then what do you do White Stone, or Lemuel, or Clency, in the meantime.  As Ron says to you above, "I do not know."  There is a storm cloud right above the immediate place you all stand to wait this out for good or for some sort of end.  But this:

"Ron asked this morning, why do we bother Michael?  You and the rest let me burn up in great pain from my limbs on the ground to my shoulders now, that is how bad it has progressed.  I say there is no answer except in your Adjuster Ron, and HE is mum on anything to be done.  Ron says I am unable to move except with a shuffle this morning and I cannot take care of my morning libations, yet I am awake and questioning in great discomfort.  Why keep it going with me alone, much less the others who see as I do waiting to carry through your plans for us.

"As a result we let him get to the computer to sit down and see what developed over night with this list, and frankly the list is dead.  Wenebojo is barely speaking to himself anymore over issues he likes to talk about and can get not response from the list because they fail to see the beauty of Christ worthy of speaking when the planet is battling a Supreme Being who seeks to kill off my spirit and morontial workers daily.  HE is not out of the picture well enough, even with his self immolation on 26 September in your calendar year on Urantia.  Ron battles the Residual Supreme daily and this morning got rid of the Adjuster just long enough to realize there was nothing left but extreme pain in his entire body over what?  He still does not know.

"Consequently, White Stone, your questions hit a dull thud in him because he feels you rightly should ask and that we rightly should know one way or the other what gives.

"well, nothing gives.  Machiventa Melchizedek saw Ron try to get out of bed this morning and pouted to him, well you are alive anyhow . . . and Ron did not even answer him.  So where do we go from this point with a living creature on Urantia taking it so hard we worry for him and the Midwayer Bzhutu is still at his side to take him through morontia land if he has to go quickly to avoid an atomic blast near him.  We are sure York would be destroyed by what is planned by enemies of state against the United States. . . . . "

"We surely disagree, Michael, not [MOTHER SPIRIT NOW SPEAKING].  But Ron has no heart left to deal with all of this while his limbs burn brutally and sees so poorly and cannot make sense out of what happens around him when the Infinite Spirit projects a model of Paradise with its rotating superuniverses animated going around it.  Why do we cure him of despair and then add more to it?  There is not answer to that on Salvington this morning, or on Urantia, or with the Time Lord, Machiventa Melchizedek, who is very proud of Ron and how he manages to make things known in spite of a total ban on his presence by people who read the fifth epochal revelation only.  We submit this:

INFINITE SPIRIT = "White Stone your questions are relevant but dated.  That is what Ron was telling you at the very start of his post above.  He also knows what else has happened is not available to him so he calls that situation a "storm cloud: that sits on top of hopes on Urantia.  I am not personally involved with Ron since Serena trounced off swearing never to touch Urantia or Ron ever again, and I had to agree with HER she cold not do a thing for anyone anymore so long as the Residual Supreme was appropriating man on Urantia to blast each other with atomic bombs.  We sincerely doubt Urantia will survive these exchanges without blowing itself apart in volcanic actions to relieve the terrible pressure and heat in the core of your planet and its lack of a magnetic field now..  Ron feels that lack daily and knows why all the time but we let that lie for now.

"In looking at the problems Ron faces, we deal no blow to his hopes right now.  I showed him Paradise and the lit superuniverses moving around the Isle of Paradise, and he watched it on his ceiling as it played out to his eyes believe it or not.  He saw clearly yet he is all but blind now.  Given that situation and the fact he is quite alone, we have decided to remove him, but the Thought Adjuster intervened and fought us to do anything and asked for a day more to answer Ron himself: "what are you doing to me?  The answer is not even clear to Michael of Nebadon and never to me, the INFINITE SPIRIT as I must relay information in this case without entering into those decisions by a Thought Adjuster that surely kjows the consequences of what he has done. 

"That Thought Adjuster petitioned the Court of the ANCIENTS OF DAYS to remove Ron from Urantia for good starting yesterday.  He felt horrible but got through the day as usual.  Finally the Infinite Spirit is called by Paradise to examine the patient as Ron calls himself now, and I found him fully prepared to serve so long as he had no physical impairment to hold him back.  But the Father spoke, and said that the Thought Adjuster was asking for another 24 hours to determine what it was that mattered so much to Ron to finish this work on Urantia.  It is now developed that Ron sees the end from the beginning, and he must leave Urantia alone for good once he leaves and becomes whatever destiny holds for him.  Yet the Father abides not with Ron, but with Michael of Nebadon, and insists that Michael get out of Ron what he needs for you and Urantia and frankly, for the Midwayer Bzhutu, who is convinced Ron is daily washed with the Deity Absolute to stay the course and wait out a moment when God the Supreme is perhaps either restated or revested or fully dropped from universe plans totally. 

"I am the INFINITE SPIRIT, yet these forecasts are not available to me and I act in accordance with actual practices of Paradise to move Urantia and Ron and the Magisterial Sons, as they must be moved, or we lose the entire idea of Missions for any planet, and that is not just in Nebadon.  So to speak, we are faced with this this morning:  Finally this:

"Ron stopped to check spelling and found he was okay but that I am not and waste no more time on the issue on Urantia, as the entire matter has once more been sent to the Council of Equilibrium on Salvington and they have decreed Ron is to leave Urantia not and to stay the course and he will be made whole again, PROVIDING, there is some reason to save Urantia, as the terse remarks of Trump this morning is, he is fed up with the entire lot of recalcitrant nations and will end it with a few well placed statements of corrections from him with an atomic exchange.  I doubt Ron will ever survive the first light flash in the skies above York, ever.  That is what we are facing this morning with a President that worries only about himself.

"Fully understood, the sixth epochal revelation hangs fire over Ron's head.  If he gets it to send to all of you, you are through this crisis with a President Trump, who leads the way to infamy all the time.  Need we say this gets over long in words, but in deeds, it is to be quick and easily done if Trump pulls the trigger on Iran and the mini state of Stalin's Georgia, for there are plans afoot to horrible to contemplate right now.  In any case, learn to discover that the entire matter of Urantia and the sixth epochal revelation is not moot, but is truly a matter of State up here as to give a major new revelation to a planet that is about to commit suicide?  The INFINITE SPIRIT."

RON HERE - "I feel like a dust mote subject to currents of evil we cannot hide from.  I will avoid the political implications and only state that this is one hell of a way to start what is a truly beautiful fall day this morning in York.  The SER is ready and waiting.  I do not doubt that, but the book hangs heavy over us due to conditional restraints we do not understand fully.  The Time Lords wait it out too. And I cannot think of more to say now other than, you have just been answered as best you can White Stone to your perfectly good questions, all the while unable to fathom why no answer right now is a good answer.  Thank you.

RON







Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Wenebojo on October 11, 2019, 01:00:16 PM
Ron, I have been having quite a lot of dreams involving people that I know have past on already. These aren't scary dreams but nice ones. Of course the UB states the dead relatives can't come back to visit us. But it doesn't say anything about our connecting with them briefly, for those of us that have that ability ? Like yourself, I have been extra tired as of late. And want only to sleep all the time when I'm not needed at work. Most if not all my other dreams are showing me a vast reconstruction of our earthly plane. Which I am being privileged to view for some reason. I say that with a little sarcasm. As I doubt I would live that long to witness Urantia  anew. One of your previous posts mentioned Michael of Nebadon stating that they saw no reason to upgrade our life circuitry any more. Your post does answer a few questions of an uneasiness I'm sure we are all feeling, like a disturbance in the force ( a Star Wars reference), so to speak. I am still trying to hang in there with all of you.
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Billabong on October 11, 2019, 01:09:05 PM
Thank you, Ron, for spending so much time to answer my unnecessarily difficult questions this morning. I apologize for the interruption and wish you Godspeed in your endeavors today.


I used to listen to music from the original band called "Yes" to get messages through their lyrics. Here's one from 1970 called "Your Move".
Wenebojo, this is for you:




Take a straight and stronger course
To the corner of your life
Make the White Queen run so fast
She hasn't got time to make you a wife.


Move me on to any black square
Use me any time you want
Just remember that the goal
Is for us all to capture all we want.


Don't surround yourself with yourself
Move on back two squares
Send an instant karma to me
Initial it with loving care, yourself.


Cause, this time, is timed
In time with your time
And His news is captured
For the Queen to use.


Your move.
White Stone
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Billabong on October 11, 2019, 01:32:32 PM
Another one for pondering:


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Spare a little candle

Save some light for me

Figures up ahead

Moving in the trees

White skin in linen

Perfume on my wrist

And the full moon that hangs over

These dreams in the mist


Darkness on the edge

Shadows where I stand

I search for the time

On a watch with no hands

I want to see you clearly

Come closer than this

But all I remember

Are the dreams in the mist


These dreams go on when I close my eyes

Every second of the night I live another life

These dreams that sleep when it's cold outside

Every moment I'm awake the further I'm away


Is it cloak 'n' dagger

Could it be spring or fall

I walk without a cut

Through a stained glass wall

Weaker in my eyesight

The candle in my grip

And words that have no form

Are falling from my lips


These dreams go on when I close my eyes

Every second of the night I live another life

These dreams that sleep when it's cold outside

Every moment I'm awake the further I'm away


There's something out there

I can't resist

I need to hide away from the pain

There's something out there

I can't resist


The sweetest song is silence

That I've ever heard

Funny how your feet

In dreams never touch the earth

In a wood full of princes

Freedom is a kiss

But the prince hides his face

From dreams in the mist


These dreams go on when I close my eyes

Every second of the night I live another life

These dreams that sleep when it's cold outside

Every moment I'm awake the further I'm away


These dreams go on when I close my eyes

Every second of the night I live another life

These dreams that sleep when it's cold outside

Every moment I'm awake the further I'm away


Songwriters: BERNIE TAUPIN, MARTIN GEORGE PAGE


White Stone
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Ron Besser on October 11, 2019, 02:13:52 PM
White Stone, you are a soul that belongs to the era of the folk song complaint about reality.  I have my most longing memories from that era myself, being older than you when we all went through it.  Today the lyrics speak very little to me except to sigh and wonder where the wind is blowing today with its answers.

Wenebojo, I have been thinking about you and your evasive view of life at times.  Honestly, you work so very hard to decide the traditions are still the best answer to cold feet.  You yourself are going through a transition and you are fighting every inch of it.  Believe me, if you could see the long distant path you seem to have taken to this point, it should have been no surprise to you you are getting pleasant dreams from the past.  Nowhere do yu explain it but I can guess and now I say this to the dreaming man inside your skull, let it flow, for God's sake and be happy you are getting free of the heartless view of Christianity, that death is better than life if Jesus is around to comb your hair.  With all due respect to Jesus, I say that with no little sarcasm you lent us in your post above.  What I am saying is that White Stone is a groupie that speaks lyrics in his heart but is a scientist without culling the sheep as you do.

What is coming folks is my most unfavorite story of all:  family triumphs over wisdom and pride of knowing more than the Church knows itself.  What am I talking about.  Tribalism and all of its infanticide and polygamy if they can get away with it, and nice Thanksgiving diners if you want, but so help me God, if i hear one more Mick Jagger sing songs of pantheistic goop I will stick 'em up your nose white Stone.  Anatomy notwithstanding my crudity, we have a bunch of nihilists with pimples running around with skulls on their pull overs and red spiked hair to remind us bad taste triumphs most of the time. 

White Stone you are among my favorite losses as I never quite seem to understand you are profoundly disenchanted as bad as I am, yet we express it so differently.  You are the revolver type and I am the "you have got to be kidding!" type. Wenebojo you carry the day in between us I feel fairly sure.  The point to be made is that you Wenebojo  are escaping with your life through spiritual progress, and White Stone and I are facing the Sarajevo civil war all over again with our eyes wide open and disgusted we have to watch children run the earth.

In passing Wenebojo, you are experiencing a small discomfort over meeting the past so pleasantly for the most part and wonder like i do when I get these kinds of dreams too.  It seems, and this is conjecture, that the mansion worlds have gotten the boot over some issues we find so obscure, they are, for now, saying good bye as a play ground for our future hopes of salvation.  Do not forget they are the landing place we have to look forward to someday, and I do not find it overly well exciting to address my mother again who still wonder from mansion world two and one half, what that crazy son of hers is doing to win something here and there and never get free of his own problems.  Wenebojo, your fellow earth travelers see us as increasingly moody and we find ourselves increasingly well informed.  The connection leaves me wondering if it is education we need? 

Furthermore, the dispensation we are living under right now has been, now wait for this . . . .  and also be prepared to be shocked again! . . . .   the FOURTH!  All of us here have lived a part of the fifth and some of the sixth and with the Supreme blowing all the fuses in the Local Universe of Nebadon, the powers to be forced the clock back to the fourth dispensation on earth.  Earth has not a seraphim left on it, nor does it have a bunch of Melchizedek Receivers any more, but it does have the RESIDUAL SUPREME, banging on the door wanting back in and the FATHER has locked the door!  Honest to God be glad you have dreams at all and that I am happy to report this personally to you Wenebojo:
"You have crashed through mansion world two with your soul visits just as I did six years ago and nothing has been the same since.  I dare not tell you what that means, but you are going to experience a trial of thought you do not like dealing with, and that is to inform yourself you have had it with normalcy that keeps you playing games of earth life that does not expose the childish versions earth must deal with until it grows up under the auspices of a new Bestowal Son.  The fourth dispensation is the Jesus dispensation and it lasted over 2 thousand years to boot.  Dreams for you are prophetic under this new regime.  Pay attention to them and interpret them using your own unique life experiences and worry not what other might say about them if they knew them.

"I quote these last three paragraphs because Michael of Nebadon is feeding directly into my voice here.  Wenebojo, time is really coming to an adjustment that I fully disfavor and I dislike it so much I am ready to get out of here, but most earth people prefer the staid course of changeless attitudes toward evolution and empty nesters over discovering a better way of growing up through maturity to embrace the morontial life.  That is never me, and White Stone is just confused by it, and I think you rather like the idea of reverting back to a slow adjustment to get being an "older person."  I am almost positive we are in for it in the short range but the grand total is without Supremacy and Supremacy was the drive for perfection through what ever change to do to get it.  I let the rest alone for now.  Thanks for the posts gentlemen, and may your day be fulfilled with good news."

Ron for Michael of Nebadon and a few others who are too shy to be quoted at the moment.

K

 
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: SonsofGod on October 11, 2019, 02:30:16 PM
Thank you Ron for your comment and the link. I really like what you have done so far, breaking in with Spirit power. In my post I have suggested to have writings from Spirit only, but it is more personable this way to the reader as long as the newsletter would not give place for human interpretations of the UB as it became a problem with FER.
You are directing the readers to articles on the forum by giving the links, which are long and I believe easy to miss reproducing. Would'n it be possible to include the article instead? There might be hard times coming when not everyone will have internet access. (?) Also, I am sure you are aware of the need for correction of some spelling and formatting errors (text cut off).  

I have designed a simple header and footer that you might like (sample attached), but please do not feel obligated at all. I hope you do not mind that I done it uninvited, I just love to design and felt inspired.  

Valerie / Sons of God
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: Ron Besser on October 11, 2019, 04:27:33 PM
I like your heading SonsofGod.  Will attempt a test run of it later.
Here is another test run of the newsletter using a different layout and shows only page one/

CLICK ON THE ATTACHMENT BELOW.  Shows 333 Newsletter test
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: CharlesL on October 11, 2019, 07:34:10 PM
I love this newsletter.
Title: Re: Mother Spirit as Nebadonia and Review about Issuing 6th Epochal Revelation
Post by: bradcooke on October 14, 2019, 09:27:15 PM
Hi All,

Interesting that the FER has been referred to as 'the best kept secret' of our century! Seems that it was inherent in the Foundation to limit it's intro to society. The tools to it's dissemination were limited and few compared to what's available today.
Back in the '30's, 40's and 50's you had radio, TV, printed matter. Today you can add the internet, and a much more pronounced media when it comes to print, TV, radio. Now if you consider that with all the available methods to spread the revelation, why did it not strike a cord and catch fire and spread like there is no comparison?
I think, my opinion, mind you, that you need two items to consider. You need to have a message in a format that will capture the attention of the public at large, or you need to have an audience that is put in a situation where it will not be able to overlook the revelation.
I sometimes think that an overt presentation at the UN would capture the attention of the world...maybe!
Sad, but the vast majority of our people on this forum got their intro to the FER by very small means, intro by someone, stumble onto it. I believe that handing out books, free, or not, does not guarantee that the wisdom, the knowledge contained therein, will be used, read, absorbed, acted upon. Also, it does not take much to be labeled as, or in fact, become, cult-like, true?
Anyway, I am flexing my small grey matter on this, but fail to come up with something that is innovative, and effective.
Domtia.