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Title: Look At What We Found
Post by: Ron Besser on December 03, 2019, 10:57:14 am
edit 06DEC19  Picture post and picture removed.  See last paragraph here and discussion page down.


There is a red arrow placed on this picture pointing to a slightly smeared light source.  Well, guess what folks, it is part of the Salvington headquarters spheres that have visible light,  The capital of Salvington is not visible they tell me since its light is mostly spiritual and not visible even to the remote viewing of Hubble.  But one or two of those planets around Salvington are in the visible light spectrum.  They told me this morning that the arrow points to the University Sphere Number 16, and that is all they tell me.  A lot more is told in Bulletin 7 when I can get that thing out, as it is hard to write without getting into detail that is still too hot to handle to be known at all.  


So without further do, look at this picture for your own edification:  the picture has been removed due to identification of sectors in it cannot be fully ascertained.  My apologies to those who may have taken ti and exclaimed at what it was said to be.  You need to see the arguments much further below to see what we is at issue here and why I just remove it for the sake of  just not getting into controversy.  Thank you!!  Ron Besser
Title: Re: Look At What We Found/From Unreleased Bulletin 7 to date
Post by: Ron Besser on December 03, 2019, 01:46:18 pm
I think you should see this graphic supplied with the help of the Deity Absolute.  Now mind you I work with truly awful software to draw this stuff, and please allow me some distortions because I am not always told what not do to do, but this one is of the Central Universe and a few facts you might enjoy reading.

CENTRAL UNIVERSE
BLUE SPHEROID PICTURED IS PARADISE, a real fatty compared to how certain artists depict it in old study aids

BLACK GUM DROPS ALL around Havona, those are the famous black gravity bodies that hide the central universe from time space observation.  Telescopes just detect deep black starless lost and deep space from time.

See graphic photo below from Bulletin 7(https://app.box.com/shared/static/0p7gv132tiucjijwfbh7wzt2na8n3up6.jpg)
Title: Re: Look At What We Found from Rayson-Father-Deity Abs -Salvington
Post by: Ron Besser on December 03, 2019, 02:04:44 pm
Bulletin 7 also produces this graphic to explain the most basic description of the entire Master Universe and what its most basic components are.

I am providing this one as a complete unit of graphics I think best represent, the two above plus this one, as a most startling revelation yet to come.  And that is that URANTIA is part of a new second coming to set the record straight for Nebadon, not just Urantia, and I assure you that must be explained later and what that does to space organization to the OSL's is still pending, because Nebadon is ready to release information concerning the results of a great nation building 3 DEC meeting on Salvington today.


FYI: Our earth is in area 2, and area 2 is time and space.  How vast this universe is!  WE are born and run around like chickens with our heads cut off in the smallest room in  the proposed Master Universe!  Only areas 1 and 2 are inhabited.  Areas 3 through 7 will be inhabited some day, but they do not use time as sequence to learn.  They may look like us someday, but they do not learn by going to school as we must do, they learn by understanding first what we as humans learned to today in time.  The idea is so vast no one can really get their heads around this thing.  We can thank our Father in Heaven for telling us what the place looks like and something about how it is designed.


Here is the graphic as though the CONSUMMATOR OF UNIVERSE DESTINY drew it to show an investor to put it into place.
(https://app.box.com/shared/static/9ywbhjsli8zmtglks0fa9842qejumwra.jpg)
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: Clency on December 03, 2019, 02:11:04 pm
Is the brilliant blue light circle at the bottom right of the hubble picture the CENTRAL UNIVERSE, the PARADISE ? Just try to figure out. It is indeed a beautiful sight, but at the same time it looks so chaotic out there. Domtia
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: wendy.winter on December 03, 2019, 04:38:23 pm
Thank you Ron! Ignoramus me had no idea Salvington is a complex of architectural spheres. 
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: Ron Besser on December 05, 2019, 02:36:00 am
Clency, the picture near center above middle is the Constellation Cetus,  The beautiful blue white object to the lower right corner is unknown to me and I have been searching four hours to find it named somewhere and I am not getting success.  Cetus is part of this photo, but Hubble calls this photo the Galaxies in Abell 370, a so called Frontier section of the universe it finds a lot of mysterious objects in.  The smeary white arcs in the photo are near earth asteroids and the  blue white object could be a cluster of brilliant white starts, but I be darn can I easily find their or its name.
Here is my caption text too:
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If you find the name let me know as it is a beauty.  RON

MICHAEL CALLS OUR BEAUTY ALPHA CENTAURI
MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "That is a cluster of start Ron as you correctly guessed.  It belongs to Alpha Centauri but is not Alpha Centauri itself ,  You found it but decided you could not fully classify it and it is a white hot start system out of context with the yellow white star systems found in this part of the sky, which is below the equator on earth.  It is not an easy system to describe and it was caught by Hubble so well it out shone all other objects nearby.  The photo is slightly distorted due to gravitational lensing they use to shoot the universe pictures now.  All that means is they allow the  lense to stay open for a longer exposure time and that adds detail to the picture,.  In this photo of Alpha Centauri  itself, as AC is the middle star in the cluster which blurs together in this photo.  Alpha Centauri does not belong to Cetus but Hubble took a wide shot.  K  MICHAEL OF NEBADON."   

Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: Ron Besser on December 05, 2019, 11:25:56 am
December 05, 2019

Change to Graphic insertions

FYI:  I have modified the above posts containing graphics of the Master Universe and Hubble and so on to a direct link to  the picture and deleted the attachment photos.  My intention by changing to a direct image insertion is so that Guests could actually see the pictures for whatever reason they may wish to do so.   Members will not  see much difference.  Thanks.

RON

Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: roger krupa on December 05, 2019, 08:20:45 pm
Looking at the graphic of the Salvington complex reminds me of a vivid and unforgettable dream I had some years ago.  I was traveling through space along an energy lane and I came to a place where there was a cluster of beautiful world's.  As I focused on one of them I saw a figure that looked like an ancient patriarch like I would visualize from the Old Testament sitting under a tree.  I have never forgotten this vision.  Could it be that I actually visited our Local Universe Capitol?  This graphic only serves to strengthen my already considerable faith.
Domtia
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: White Stone on December 05, 2019, 08:46:35 pm
Hello, Ron and others viewing this post,
I have determined that the bright star at the bottom is Diphda Deneb Kaitos, the brightest "variable star"in the Cetus constellation.


That being determined, the star being pointed at with the red arrow is Eta, fourth brightest star in the constellation of Pisces. It is somewhat super-imposed over the M74 Galaxy, much further away.


These constellations are in the northern part of the zodiac, and are visible in the northern hemisphere around September, while Alpha Centauri is next to the Southern Cross and not visible above 20 degrees north of the equator.

Consequently, the information is faulty.


"Gravitational Lensing" is seen in the distant galaxies looking blue, as their further distance beyond the Cetus constellation is altered as the
light passes through to gravitational lens of Cetus itself.


The asteroids seen as curved white lines, are more "near field" objects, unexpected by those who produced this copyrighted photo.


You can trust this information. I can give more details on distances, if desired. I really enjoyed the challenge!



White Stone 
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: Ron Besser on December 05, 2019, 09:48:22 pm
Yes, our information is diagonal, meaning I took this by dictation and it is one hundred eighty degrees from yours.  I do NOT know what to make of that, can you?  I am not arguing your information at all, but I do wonder why the glow of the planet you refer to as part of Pisces is also determined to be planet 16 of the Salvington complex.  You may have it right, and it would not be unusual for gazers to be in a well known constellation but looking through a parabola.  See further down.


The NASA photo is to be found on at least five web sites catering to Hubble, and the area taken a picture by Hubble is dated  2009 and 2017, (ours is 2017)  and one web site compares the two shots, one  with without gravitational lensing and with in 2017.  It makes a vast difference in  those two pictures.  I also say that taking dictation about space areas that spirit has star maps about and NASA also takes pictures of using its start maps, makes this hard to do.  Michael of Nebadon says that Cetus truly lays in the southern hemisphere, but which horizon is he talking about?  That is why I left the identification stand as dictated and assume the Cetus was not the entire photo field NASA shows, but that we were looking through Cetus to a back area that rises in our southern skies.  That make me a tad cross eyed but I think it likely true.   It is also a lesson of importance although I doubt I will ever get to compare another Hubble photo with Michael pointing out what is going in that ever again.  I hope you know what I am talking about because words are hard to find when saying the NASA dimensional photo is flat and that star light is actually photographed through the volume of a parabola.  Pisces rises here in York as I have seen it.  I do not know Cetus ever, and wonder if this dictation is the truth from Salvington only.  You have me.  But he is sure enough to say we see a visible university planet and points to it as I have arrowed down to it.

I thank you for the trouble you went to and let it stand as I did the dictation involved when this was pointed out to me as I worked with Hubble photos that night. RON
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: White Stone on December 06, 2019, 02:35:03 am
Greetings Ron and Serara Forum,


The star grouping called Cetus, is depicted as a "sea monster" or, in the English language, a whale. As Michael of Nebadon has stated, Cetus is in the Southern Hemisphere, but only by a few degrees off the ecliptic.


It resides just south of Pisces, and the "head" of Cetus almost reaches the Aries grouping.  Regarding Pisces, this grouping depicts a pair of fish, tied together with a rope connecting their tails. The star I referred to as Eta is also known as "Kullat Nunu" that translates as the "cord" tying the fish together.


Eta Piscium, or Kullat Nunu, is 349 light years from Urantia. But Messier 74 is 32 million light years from Urantia and it's light picked up by The Hubble telescope appears left of, and underneath Kullat Nunu.


One other consideration we must make:  the UB states that the distance from the outermost edge of Orvonton (our superuniverse) where Nebadon currently finds itself, and the center of our superuniverse, is around 250,000 light years. Consequently, the distance from the outer edge of Nebadon, to the exact energy center of our local universe (Salvington) must be less than 250,000 light years.

We aren't told in the UB how far away Salvington is, from Urantia. We are, however, informed that Salvington (a solitary architectual sphere) has 490 satellite spheres, grouped in ten clusters of 49 spheres. The world known as "Melchizidek" is said to be in close proximity to Salvington.


Could this star, Kullat Nunu, really be Salvington? I have my doubts. I am fairly confident that Alpha Centauri is completely out of the frame. But the M74 constellation is a possibility. The distance to it, however, puts it, most likely, in another superuniverse. Attached is photo of Messier 74.




White Stone






Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: Ron Besser on December 06, 2019, 10:44:19 am
White Stone, I do enjoy your depth of knowledge.  You are leading me to review the map in a way that defeats the intention of the Father to give some idea what area of the sky lies the Salvington complex.  I take your information to be literal and true.

What bothers me so much about what you say is that it is literal.  You are the type of human that says if you can see it and locate it, it is the truth.  The old idea of. "if it quacks like a duck, it is a duck."  The star photo of Abell 370 above is an excellent example of what turns out to be mis-identification of the object said to be the light of a star that belongs to the inner sanctum of the Nebadon local universe.  I accept it is the tail of Pisces, and I accept that is all it is.  But what in the world is spirit telling us that provides the answer, "Ron, White Star is literally correct, but he is wrong."

That is what I hear from spirit other than Michael too.  I agree with you White Star, it is above all the tail of Pisces we arrow down to.  But what is going on with high spirit when they say the whole idea of the star picture is entirely confounding the idea that you (meaning science), do not understand that which you take pictures of/  What could that mean White Stone?

Apparently, most of what we see either in star photos and even each other, is a fable to highest spirit if I follow this back far enough as to what they mean to tell us.  I happen to understand well what you tell us, and it appears that this sector of the sky has nothing to do with what we searched for, but what is galling to some extent is they insist the photo DOES indicate the light of a university planet.  We just have to call it that instead of Pisces.  To you and to me, it is Pisces.  To actual regions of space we point to with that red arrow, that is indeed the level we have only and they are saying Nebadon is there too in the form of star light we see briefly because of the timing of the photo being taken.

You do not take contradictions as real.  Yet, the entire matter of a mission to Urantia is like this star photo to our eyes today.  But we are presented nothing but contradictions for decades and those contradictions point to an insolvable crime of perdition spoken to by a rebellion that distorts even our fables.  This site was founded on the idea we have the straight talk through the mind of man of what the designers of the universe prefer us to take up and believe.  I hold no one of these high spirit personalities to be wrong, nor do I think you are wrong.  But the truth is a funny thing these days, and I am too human to see through their glass darkly, but I am not even sure it is their glass at all.  We state what we know, or think we know, and we get nothing back but a contradiction.

I let this lie in your corner White Stone, as we all must.  Yet I get an unrepentant Creator Son saying "you are wrong to doubt me Ron."   Okay I hide my doubt and wonder how such could be right because I misunderstand what a camera really is picking up.

I will say this too, and it is to remind us how complicated this reporting can be to deliver with any sense of veracity at times.  Michael has made it clear that entire picture of a Hubble snapshot is entirely dependent on that camera understanding it uses light frequencies it can make a photo out of.  That includes infrared.  This picture is take with infrared as normal white light frequencies.  But it does not have the design to take a picture looking for light that lies in the higher ranges beyond ultraviolet and that is where spirit light presumably exists.  Four of the planets that constitute the group called Salvington, lie in this range and are not visible to the naked eye except through spirit transponders available to galactic space travelers with advanced devices.  This is to prevent their ships approaching no-fly zones and help them avoid harassment by the police forces that prevent over flights of local universe capitals.  The entire Salvington complex which includes the capital spheres as well as the 400 plus university spheres, emit light in the spirit range and justare not viewable to a Hubble device.  But two of the university spheres do emit ultraviolet light with white light too.  This is what Michael was pointing out to me as existing in that photo. 


What was attempted then by telling me these things was to alert me that Hubble takes a lot for granted they are seeing all space constructions in Abell 370 or any wide angle  lens photo, including huge planets and light objects designed to evade lower grade optics of even space travelers who have not yet earned the right to land on a sphere that emits super high frequency light emissions.  Okay.  I do get that.  But what should that arrow describe in a proper context to what it points to?  I am not sure that is even a sane way to ask the question, but that is the best  I can do right now.  And I do thank you for all that good knowledge your bring to bear on the Hubble photo.  RON

MICHAEL OF NEBADON = "I accidentally started this controversy when I spoke too fast while Ron was looking at space background maps for graphical usages.  Now I see it has spawned a distortion free remark from Ron on the conundrum he faces when he deals with the highest spirit frequencies in deep space.  They are, simply stated, invisible to photography because we want them invisible to photography.  He states the case well and never leaves you alone as being right too White Stone.  He admires that kind of knowledge he flunks at all the time. as his brain is spiritualized too high at the moment to comprehend why the fake news people are at it on Urantia full force.   We do not report fake news ourselves, but when a literal photo takes a picture of a visible star in white light, there is no compensation for that fact, that sitting right beside it is a spirit sphere designed to hold the work of a local universe of spirit design.  That is what happens in this photo.  Hubble looks at this field of galaxies and computes light years fully correctly but has no idea that it looks past thousands of complexes, as is true with thei phot, still invisible to Hubble.  We now are forced to back track off the idea we see anything of Salvington, but indeed we are seeing Planet 16 of the 400 university worlds around Salvington in that photo right where the arrow points.  Ron correctly guesses that but Hubble technology is ancient to the start ships that would overfly our complex if we did snedout a white light abstraction to them as we do with Planet 16 to warn them to stay out of range of flying over us.

"Ron says to me, "then Michael, we need to take down that photo?"  The answer is yes if he wants to avoid comments from Urantia Book readers he points to Pisces.  But the answer is no, because the arrow points to the sphere that sits next to the Pisces star.  I have to leave it at that for now and suspect this only fuels fire of more discussions like this in the future.  MICHAEL OF NEBADON. K"

END
 

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Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: White Stone on December 06, 2019, 11:48:39 am
We may as well, admit that it is all an illusion that we produce in our minds. The sources of the light perceived by the Hubble telescope have taken many years to reach us. They might have all been removed by now and we are seeing residual light only. Who can say, other than those who know?


Ron, do you "brush up" on your UB knowledge occasionally? Or, do you only go by what you transmit? Your information about Salvington doesn't follow the UB teachings, so I must assume you expect your transmissions to be "right as rain" even when they disagree with the UB information.


You must be right and my view, though based on information I have always trusted, is now in question. I stand corrected; bent over, looking at my toes.


I will not respond again unless asked directly, "What is your opinion, White Stone?"  I doubt that will happen. Enjoy your forum, Ron. I will bide my time while I bite my tongue.


White Stone 
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: Ron Besser on December 06, 2019, 12:45:03 pm
White Stone, a man truly divided.  I know the book very well, and it is full of error now but that is neither here or there as I am aware what it says quite well.

I never quite get your shade of disapproval White Stone, but I let it ride only because you are my critic and I do not mind it so long as you do not fling yourself off the roof again over a mismatch of thought between us.  Your opinion is always asked for, as are the opinions of others on the site welcomed, and you may guess I happen to agree with you in spite of what you think is maybe a rejection of what you told me here. 

Which reminds me, the whole reason this picture came to light is that Bulletin 7 deals with the dicey proposition that the space sector in question was severely damaged by opposing forces of a spiritual nature.  I doubt that is easy for you, but a major sector Nebadon itself was damaged by a marauding power quite unlike anything seen since the forces of the same filled the area set aside for time and space, was filled with space.   I edited out how space gets moved to fill a new area, just for you and your peace of mind.  I have rewritten Bulletin 7 up through the letter F, six times, and my files get edit sequence letters names, and I might have to rewrite it again to preserve your life.  Isn't that just awfully fair?

RON
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: VitoLan on December 07, 2019, 08:01:41 pm
Alpha Ceti vs Alpha Centauri.
I was wondering if AC refers to Alpha Ceti (named Menkab), the Alpha star of Cetus, only 8 degrees from Abell 370, both in Cetus.

Alpha Centauri is the closest star of our Sun, only 4 light years and belongs to Centaurus.
Salvington isn´t so close !  Or is it ?

Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: Ron Besser on December 07, 2019, 10:05:14 pm
Hello VitoLan,

I cannot untangle enough to answer your question.  My gut feeling is that Salvington is tens of millions of light years away from anything remotely part of Cetus or the Abell 370 area of galaxies.  The photo originally used to start this thread was properly recalled from showing it because it is not remotely interesting to the Salvington government.  I now also completely recall what was to be Bulletin 7, for additional misunderstands occurred over a battle with God the Supreme to report damages but got so confused I refuse to deal with the intent of 7 to explain how badly Nebadon got hurt in this.

I am glad you said something Vito Lan, as it needed to be questioned, but I do not know the answer to what you asked either.  Thank you!   Ron.

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - We can answer your question VitoLan, You wrote: "Alpha Centauri is the closest star of our Sun, only 4 light years and belongs to Centaurus.
Salvington isn´t so close !  Or is it ?"



"Salving on does not lie in this space plane Abell 370.  Ron confused the idea of Sector 10 being around Salvington, and it is true, but it got damaged by a disaster of God the Supreme seeking revenge over the issue of our Federation, and of out decision to use Urantia as a starting place to populate the OSL1 (Outer Space Level One), with new life shortly.  Now those plans, all of them, have been aborted.  But the OSL 1  area still requires population even while Urantia itself is in need of a spirit Mission to redo the population and re examine the need for further elucidation of the space port Ron insists is so necessary to provide Urantia a fresh start for life and living again.


"Ron has no refuted doing Bulletin 7 at all however, so many mistakes, he cannot redo it at all and have a viable report and keep well on subject about Space Sector 10.  I did tell him that the photo of Abell 370 contained Space Sector 10 for remediation, but I forgot that Ron has to be literal on things like this and marked a piece of the photo with a star I thought was a peep at University world 16.  As White Stone well pointed out to Ron, that arrow just pointed to a piece of the Pisces Constellation.  Ron countered that is correct as he now sees it, but Hubble is looking through a crystal glass in the shape of an elliptical parabola.  He said and I quote him, "Michael has a star map that is curved and not flat as we have to see them.  That, he said, can cause Michael to see Alpha Centauri in a different place then we do when photographed on a flat sheet of photo paper.


" That said, White Stone sees it correctly, and that is those stars properly belong not just in Cetus but grandly done as the Constellation COPELLA not of record in your start history recordings, but quite and grandly visible from the southern hemisphere best.  Salvington is best described as sitting in Space Sector 10, in direct opposition to Abell 370 at all and we leave it at that for now.  K:"


MOTHER SPIRIT - "Ron feels entirely warped over this fiasco of Bulletin 7,  Nightstarsaphire put together a wonderful Bulletin copy of Bulletin 7 to send out and God the Supreme completely messed her over by scrambling the presentation totally, and set the program mess to Ron to look at.  Ron looked at it and told Phyllis to stop working on it entirely and he would see if he could revive any of it at that point,  She replied nothing further  could be done until he indicated how to proceed.  Today, Ron folded the program as he fully realizes the project is not advisable under the present conditions.

"But what Ron does not know, is that Michael flew the coop when he saw Ron reproduce Abell 370 as the sector our university world 16 could be seen.  Actually it can be seen right where the arrow points to but is hidden by the Pisces object.  Ron is excellent in dealing with the truth: if it does not cut the mustard right in its telling, then do not tell it, he says. That start is actually Pisces but behind if a few light years down the arc behind it our Planet 16 glows away.  How Ron got that I do not know but he dose that  a lot lately and we are at a loss to explain it at all.


"Now Ron complained to Michael of Nebadon, that his brand new computer chair was starting to peel its leather composite after only three days of use.  When talking to Phyllis he mentioned it and she agreed she has a similar situation.  That is when Rayson interrupted their phone call to report that Ron was bleeding Protons in enormous quantities.  Ron says to Rayson, 'Rayson, we need your help to somehow reverse this flow particles over issues we have no idea why that happens."  Rayson, replied he could help but he did not know what it was about; well, it is about the hated Supreme as the Supreme is systematically harming people who refute the Supreme as useful on Urantia anymore.  It turns out that Nightstarsaphire is emitting large quantities of protons too.  So is Lemuel.  Amethyst is just starting to emit these excessive protons.  Humans are never to emit protons in gasses or liquids of any kind.  It turns out these individuals are converting to morontial forms as we see them and Ron has been harmed quite a bit by that transition.


"Space Sector 10, when it was damaged, broke into the Ultimatonic range of plasma and that changed the space it used to keep things stable among objects such as a group of spheres called Salvington.  Why these individuals are emitting protons so greatly remains a space mystery.  Nor do we know consequences of the situation.  But Ron of all people also sees the end from the beginning it is killing him and shredding his chairs of their composite leather covers.  So Phyllis sees the same.  Where we have this end is unknown but it must as we gather around Ron today to tell him he is found but slowly to recover due to proton emission storms he sends out. This is reported here because Sector 10 damage is likely what is causing these things to occur.


RAYSON   "i AM STAR STUDENT NUMBER 64 something , and I long ago tried to answer questions like that before.  He is not easy to deal with today due to the lack of transmission candor and just waits for it to improve.  It may not.  or it may get so much better he dare not use it on Urantia.  In either case he is losing his status to Michael not but to Machiventa who sees the change with horror, not for Ron, but for the Supreme on Urantia, and we see others converting too.  How does this work up here:  We do not understand it well enough to forecast what it likely does but it will do something for sure.


"As Rayson, I see Ron as the ideal candidate for so much to be done on Urantia, but some agency is forcing an issue to death and Ron is deeply bitter at such useless controls.  However, he has also made it clear the Supreme never wins a damn thing and he is sure it kills him but the battle is never won by the supreme, ever.  For this reason we now know that the people who are converting with him, are also under the gun to prevent the Supreme from enveloping Urantia to the point the planet gives up not the Supreme, but all Deity if it dares to cross the line of abrogating life in the name of compliance.  We now see this as a battle of wits between the Supreme, and the Ultimate, and the Deity Absolute, over experiential control in all matters by the Supreme in particular.  Ron sees nothing.  Either does Nightstarsaphire or Amethyst or Lemuel.  Only Amethyst stays well and the other three are now wrecks of health and while of sound mind, they dislike being accosted by a cold hearted God tremendously.  Who knows what this leads to but they are being sacrificed over nothing as far as Ron sees it and he makes a racket because of it.  Good day.  RAYSON."


Ron here:  I am shutting this subject down as it gets into issues that just go on and on and this post has already answered VitoLan and a little more.  I never wish to interfere with posts or dictation ,but this time I just shut it off as no answers are available yet.  Thanks to all and I do not think this entire matter can be swept under the rug and that we will be back if we can be on it and more later. 


Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: 7inOcean on December 08, 2019, 01:43:41 am
Well, this explains things a lot.  A battle is still on. I do not seem to have this condition as my leather chair is still intact, but a couple of weeks ago my ipad went dead and useless. I got something else instead to replace it. Now I keep getting an upper eyelid twitch and I have to sleep it off to calm down the cause of it. It seems like a sort of battle happening in different forms. The proton bleeding is unusual and how this works is also so unheard of. Anyhow, thank you Ron for such an interesting occurrence and the star thingy is not something I am good at and need to study this type of subject as I have no idea about the stars and mapping and what not. I do know where the Southern Cross is in my familiar southern night sky along with the Milky Way. These stars are just amazing and I am thinking the University spheres mentioned are most likely in the morontial form as it would not be visible to our eyes to see them. Although light emitting entities may be showing from these sources of energy manifestations and perhaps Hubble captured the tail end of this lit entity.  The Hubble telescope/camera device is a marvellous invention and is showing some scope of what it can capture, yet the images that was caught by the Cassini probe project is just as amazing as it travelled towards and into Saturn and around its moons. I saw a doco on it and was amazed with the story, the images and the science in it for all those in the team who stayed with Cassini to its end. I would eventually loved to take up the area of study in the Star Study Classes that Michael has going on the Mansion Worlds. That would be super cool to see all the star maps up there in such a different dimension than what is going at the moment on earth. It still seems so incomplete as it is. Earth's Scientists/Astronomers etc are on the hunt in any case and it remains to be seen how much more can be found with all the technologies now being put in place to see what they can see.  The "domed" look versus the "flat" look does present to our human scientists to consider that there may even be some distortion to what they are looking at. Then that raises the question as to just what is not being seen when it is "flat" and not showing other dimensions of reality. Interesting stuff to consider. 
Sue/7inOcean
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 08, 2019, 08:34:26 am

From what I've noticed, in these latest posts, a lot of weird things are happening to several members of the Serara Forum.

As for me, I woke up today at dawn, but I lay still and felt a strong spiritual energy hovering over me. Then this spiritual energy came in and stayed in my brain. I believe this spiritual energy is linked to God, the Infinite Spirit or the Holy Spirit. Anyway, because it was an extremely unusual situation, I am informing everyone.

This happened at dawn here in Brasilia (Brazil) a few hours ago, so now it's 10:27 (local time or 13:27 UTC-Z and 08:28 time in New York, USA and on the east coast of USA ).

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Pelo que eu notei, nestas últimas mensagens, muitas coisas estranhas estão acontecendo com vários membros do Fórum Serara.

Quanto a mim, eu me acordei hoje de madrugada, mas continuei deitado e senti uma forte energia  espiritual pairando sobre mim. Em seguida esta energia espiritual veio em direção e ficou em meu cérebro. Eu acredito que esta energia espiritual esteja ligada a Deus, Espírito Infinito ou ao Espirito Santo. Seja como for, por ter sido uma situação extremamente incomum, estou informando a todos.

Isto aconteceu nesta madrugada aqui em Brasília (Brasil), há poucas horas atrás, portanto, pois agora são 10:27 (horário local ou 13:27 UTC-Z e 08:28 horário em Nova Iorque, EUA e na costa leste dos EUA).
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: Ron Besser on December 08, 2019, 10:02:09 am
Julio, I am asked to respond to your post through Michael of Nebadon.

You experienced God the Supreme.  He is ready to leave Urantia, and was saying good bye as he is how considered a lost candidate to run Urantia from the perspective of Deity control of a planet.  I just posted great and bad news at the same time in another thread and so update yourself there.  Be assured we have a Planetary Prince who will announce  things needed to be shortly, but  I have to get this day underway or get behind schedule for some important matters pending.  As for your experience, it is the last of the Supreme on Urantia and even the Ultimate must consider a change of chances for him, as I have had it with experiential Deity pulling rank everytime I turn to do something.  I just have to sit back and patiently wait out what this day is suppose to present to me and maybe the rest of you.  Best wishes Julio for your trials to be over soon too. 
END
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: Andre_P on December 08, 2019, 11:53:47 am
We were once told that even tree spirits and other dwarfs are agents of God the Supremethe. How is it now?
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: Ron Besser on December 08, 2019, 12:25:29 pm
Andre, the celestial life of God the Supreme has been horrified what has happened.  Ron feels they could be friends but they are so upset with Ron and his treatment of the Seraphim who defend God the Supreme, they vacated his site at once.  However, now they see Ron cannot help it as Ron calls it, "I break out in a rash with God the Supreme--  I am actually allergic to that Deity and his ways--  I mean no harm to anyone, but the Supreme harms me!'  They now understand it is a genetic disposition that dislikes the Supreme to the point it has made Ron ill.

Mother Spirit of Nebadon also states that I, Ron, have no more closure to this problem than the man in the moon lately, and that the spirits the Supreme placed on Urantia, are foolhardy enough to think that Ron has a solution to their problem of abandonment.  We are unsure what that might be and that is thinking too hard Ron, on a solution offered to you and not to them for the moment.  Perhaps. But they abound near Ron again as they now know he is not fighting them or their creator, but his own genetic situation that makes it difficult to live at all.  In any case the entire matter is being looked at by the Council of Equilibrium for an adjudication to coincide with the appearance of the SER,  Let us see how that works, and they know you Ron might trigger tha with the reception of the book on your table one day.  

END
Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 08, 2019, 02:07:08 pm
Julio, I am asked to respond to your post through Michael of Nebadon.

You experienced God the Supreme.  He is ready to leave Urantia, and was saying good bye as he is how considered a lost candidate to run Urantia from the perspective of Deity control of a planet.  I just posted great and bad news at the same time in another thread and so update yourself there.  Be assured we have a Planetary Prince who will announce  things needed to be shortly, but  I have to get this day underway or get behind schedule for some important matters pending.  As for your experience, it is the last of the Supreme on Urantia and even the Ultimate must consider a change of chances for him, as I have had it with experiential Deity pulling rank everytime I turn to do something.  I just have to sit back and patiently wait out what this day is suppose to present to me and maybe the rest of you.  Best wishes Julio for your trials to be over soon too.  
END



Thank you Ron and especially to Michael de Nebadon for the reply on what happened to me in the early hours of today. Yes, I have just read the latest updates, with the good and bad news. However, I don't know why, but I feel calmer no matter what happens. Perhaps it is because my main prayer and request is that above all will be done the will of God, the universal Father of all. With much love to all. Julio

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Obrigado Ron e principalmente para Michael de Nebadon pela resposta sobre o que aconteceu comigo na madrugada de hoje. Sim, eu li agora a pouco as últimas atualizações, com as boas e más notícias. No entanto, eu não sei o motivo, mas eu me sinto mais calmo, independentemente do que venha acontecer. Talvez seja porque  minha principal oração e pedido é que acima de tudo seja feita a vontade de Deus, Pai universal de todos. Com muito amor a todos. Julio





Title: Re: Look At What We Found
Post by: weydevu on December 10, 2019, 11:03:54 am
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