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Title: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: Ron Besser on December 12, 2019, 11:34:18 pm

          Bulletin 9
GENERAL STATEMENT (from)
DIRECTOR OF THE MAGISTERIAL FOUNDATION
December 12, 2019

 

Ronald Besser, Director
The Magisterial Foundation

 

THE WORK OF GOD THE SUPREME
A Therapy Session to Evaluate Its Role
 
 
Origins of Urantia By the Supreme
What inspired this document to be written is our member who calls herself Amethyst. She and most others on this site– and I dare say most readers of a revelatory text we all know here– do not grasp very well what God the Supreme is or does, and why it works mostly as a truancy now on the planet most call earth, but God calls it Urantia.
 
In fact the very name of earth is called Urantia, and that name is derived because God the Supreme named it. Michael of Nebadon, that being the name of our founding Deity of our local time-space area, did not name it. A giant galaxy brought it into existence, but naming it was the right of God the Supreme to do so. The Deity of God the Supreme rules individual planets, and there are billions and billions of them in the time space universes. Time with and including the controlling central universe together is called the Grand Universe. Future areas are to be added without time in them, and all of it together, is called the Master Universe. God the Supreme rules only that which is time conditioned, and no more.
 
God the Supreme, as soon as the decision was made to accept this ball of rock and gasses, designed a divine entity to send to Urantia, and that was to see to the new planet the means to introduce to it the fishes and the animals before man appeared. God the Supreme decided to call this planet URANTIA, after the name he gave the Deity entity to us many of you call GAIA, not knowing who She really is.
 
 
URANTIA is a universe language word that means: “that which abounds in the favor of God,” God the Supreme provided some experiments too, and gave URANTIA a lot of extra species to learn how some unusual design work stands up in the battering work of survival of the fittest, a true Darwinian understanding he brilliant described in the 1850's to his colleagues who, unfortunately, were creationists, with no understanding of how the progression from small to complex organisms results in the evolution of complex forms like man himself,
 
 
He named Her URANTIA, and many call Her Gaia these days and that was about one billion years ago to start her work.. This new entity entered into one sea with one continent by then and directed the Life Carriers where to plant the life plasm the Deities decided to should be started here.
 
We now examine the effects of the Gaia/Urantia divinity and Deity, as that work constitutes the foundation upon which all life is built, biologically only, for what this planet looks like today, as the character of man is profoundly associated with the Deity which originates the creation of a particular species on one particular planets, and the reader should understand that is why man is so associated with God the Supreme on Urantia, but plans like this have hit a snag, so profound, even Gaia/Urantia has no real understanding what is to happened with her or to her as the result of the crash of the Deity of God the Supreme ran into lately.
 
 
 
ORIGINS OF LIFE WITH THE SUPREME IN MIND
 
 
It takes major revelation to discuss this part. I have requested permission to relate dome of the truth concerning life implantation of life for the sake of human understanding who and how some of life implantation is made possible. The reader must understand I am highly limited and speak only to our own planetary origins of human life, you and me, on Urantia with the help of the Divine Local Universe Sons, in all probability true sub-absolute Deity of Supremacy entirely. I have asked permission of the Deity Absolute, another Deity in Infinity and probably the most powerful Deity, aside from the Universal Father, that exists to promote the expansion of the Grand Universe into the magnificent intended Master Universe itself, to help guide me into the rational part of this story for all to read and be comforted by, as it is a beautiful story.
 
Paradise itself is the origin of life. What life is REMAINS a huge secret hidden in the unfathomable heart of the Creator. HE lives as Father, but He also lives as a magnificent Co-Creator with the CONSUMMATOR OF UNIVERSE DESTINY, there being twelve such Destiny Creators and Designers.
 
Each Consummator of Universe Destiny, and there are twelve revealed here, each one creates and provides Commissioners to aide the Consummator. The Universe Father is the Consummator of Universe Destiny Number Six, and four other Consummators of Universe Destiny reign with him outside of INFINITY. I discuss this Infinity relationship aspect later for our readers here.
 
The universal plans for life animation is a great secret. We are asked by this writer if he may speak to one aspect of life as electro magnetic. We dare not allow him his head on this because he is fully able to detail some of it; however, suffice it to say that man knows something about electro magnetism, but never enough, ever, to be become too dangers using it. Electro magnetism (I use it as two words but it is usually spelled as one word), is used by God the Father only, and it is layed to rest only in the Eternal Son, as a viable conduct toward producing life animation in part only.
 
Notice that procreation is the transfer by God the Supreme for animals to produce off spring without having to produce divinity. Animal begets animal and so on, and only God produces life that is divine (that means perfect and knowing it). God the Supreme is a special favor given to the majority of Local Universes in order to provide life procreation at the level of God knowing animals. Humans are animals and live their entire lives on a material planet in order to know God well enough to transfer their ability to climb to the glory of perfection through something called an ascension career. All ascension careers, regardless of the planet one takes origins upon, are uniform, and it is God the Supreme which makes that possible both as a common aspect to enjoy, and to do with the mutuality of being with others with you at the same time to achieve that progress to know God fuller.
 
 
LIFE DESIGNS ARE PERMEATED WITH THE
SPIRIT OF THE SUPREME
 
Amethyst, and others. I do not have any difficulty with what you have to say Amethyst, but perhaps it would help you to understand something readers of the Urantia Book keep missing and missing and missing. It is so bad I wonder if they are capable to understand that God the Supreme is a biological entity! What do I mean by that? God the Supreme permeates biology by being present in our cell protoplasm. It is NOT because the Supreme is present as an indwelling of the mind or the intellect per se; no: it is more fundamental than that and he partakes in minuscule ways in all of our bodies to the point we live and move within the Supreme because of it. A kitty cat has six pads and one pad claw not, but all pads are clawed, and that is the invention of God the Supreme to support a cat in its ability to trap food much easier than with just one claw that was true in the Sabre Tooth Tiger of this past ice age. That provides the reader the marvelous thought just how the human form has been changed over the past fifty thousand years to live better without all that hair and fang. Painting in the caves is the inborn intellect being used, but until man had a larger brainstem, a Vermeer was not possible ever. All of the evolutionary perks to man, other than his form and intellect, are the result of God the Supreme adjusting the concept of mankind or humanity everywhere, is because the Supreme was fully capable of understanding what existence had to have on these lowest possible levels should be and now what mankind was essentially born with.
 
The idea of superb talents in music and painting and in administration and outstanding leadership, is and still belongs to the Father, but the Supreme is relegated to the high ideal of who should use it best and not just anyone. In most cases superb talents are still the prerogative of the Universal Father to grant, and even the issue of gay or not gay is a prerogative of the Universal Father at best.
 
Up until this late September, the Supreme was competent in this use of our organism to determine the true evolutionary rate of entire planetary populations by species. He not only indwelt humanity but was in the cell structures of body and mind down to the single cell amoeba. This is why the Supreme is still a residual in us and everything one else on Urantia including the rocks and the trees and the water.
 
I make the mistake when I explain the Supreme of not speaking to this fundamental charge of God the Supreme on Urantia or any other planet with life on it. It is well explained in the Urantia Book, but it has never been well written about. Now I will show you something of great importance that needs to be explained very well if we are ever to grasp why God the Supreme may HAVE TO REMAIN A RESIDUAL DEITY and not a discrete Deity under the control of the Paradise Trinity.
 
 
First, realize the Paradise Trinity never controlled God the Supreme, but God the Supreme was in the Trinity as the first experiential Trinity in the Trinity of Trinities. Master Spirit Four explains that this entire operation of Supremacy was never meant to be fully controlled by Paradise, but to be controlled by the evolution of OTHER SUPREME ACTING ENTITIES, neither God the Supreme or God the Father, but an in-between synthesis of power synthesis and life synthesis conglomerations. These entities-to-be expected and who actually arrived on Paradise, six months before the Supreme blew himself up on the third circuit of Havona on the Urantia calendar date of 26 September. 2019.
 
Ocilliaya (Master Spirit Four who represents the Father-Son Deity union) states that God the Supreme knew who they were, but was troubled by the fact that there was no instruction with them as to how they should be used, or how they could be instigated into the rulership of God the Supreme, when he had achieved synchrony with the Father and Son and Spirit on Paradise. The Paradise Trinity was not any part of these proposed uses of the new entities recently presented to God the Supreme, but the Supreme was so unusually upset by their appearance he saw to it that they all died but one when the primary eruption occurred removing the Supreme from service.
 
 
The Triunity of Spatial Resolve, which I believe is Triunity Fourteen and not published in our Urantia Book, nor is it so stated in the new Urantia Book, the Sixth Epochal Revelation.
 
 
TRIUNITY 14
 
I quote from the Magisterial Son of Scientific teaching. Who states:
 
 
“Those who understand science well never have all their attention directed to the mathematics of being, but to the precision of quantities to measure forces.
 
“For that reason, the Father has a Counsel available named TRIUNITY 14, and that is to consume your interest enough all of you to realize that God the Supreme was entirely primarily for processing what Triunity 14, was all about. Triunity 14, states in part, ‘all men and women are to be one breed in the future, regardless of their origins on millions and millions of human planets scattered throughout the time-space universe. In that conception no one must ever leave the idea along that the Order of Man, is to be duplicated once the era of time-space is completed under his guidance. Be assured this is a concept only, and no such decision was ever taken to cut the idea of humanity off at the knees, and therefore prevent further human types from occurring ever.
 
“Further more, the trial of being man with woman, keeps the entire matter open for debate, for the human who is able to do this revelatory work, observes that procreation produces a type of man who is disinterested in spirit learning, and therefore is useless to live with as a projector of spiritual faith except to a few like him, who sees nothing more than learning as the way to proceed as to a career in high administration in the Local Universes as a spirit being.
 
 
“Triunity 14 speaks to the idea that all progression is family oriented, yet the precise definition of family is never given and we have extended families, work families, church families, government families, all of which aid in the esprit de corp for families to feel safe with each other and to achieve high exercises in achievement, On Urantia, so much bias attends to same gender families, this transmitter chokes on the idea that has anything to do with children, but then Urantia cannot keep its hands out of that area either to its harsh condemnation by most other planets who view the growth of the idea of “gay” being actually practiced as legal marriage.
 
“God the Supreme is, or was, bemused by this mind game Urantians play over sex and culture and prison and women’s rights and so on. But he never grasped the truth when Ron says to all of us, ‘you dare not deny love wherever or whenever it takes hold, and the idea of gay is preposterous but love making preposterous too.
 
“Triunity 14 also states that all comprehension is not to be directed to procreation, but Urantia and the Supreme severely disagree with that proscription to the point the Urantia planet contains fiur times the number of people it can carry safely to supply them with good food and water and raw materials to build the structures civilization works and lives in.
 
“Triunity 14 also proclaims that the idea of Platonic love is better than no love but this transmitter says that if it is experiencable at all, it is the Rotary Club doing a chicken bake for the elderly and no one else.
 
“As Rayson, I further state that the idea of God the Supreme was so noxious to all of us while he pillaged the Local Universes of Nebadon and Henselon in particular, that nothing was left in them worth mentioning in administrative sections as well, that the entire of a Supreme being became an anathema to this Transmitter too as the Supreme savaged his frame to the point he often lies dying bit by bit in the spit of disgust over what he just encountered.
 
“God the Supreme never mentions Triunity 14 because the Supreme never quite contemplated a universe without humanity to begin with, but at the same time, never cared for it during the Lucifer rebellion on Urantia or Henselon or Alvoring or even Avalon, among the many the rebellion touched and never mentioned in the fifth epochal revelation known as the Urantia Book on Urantia.
 
“The supreme also knew that Urantia was a peculiarly difficult planet to administer to, just for the fact it never had a Planetary Prince to manage it in visible form, as normal planets have a visible spiritual government to prevent the rise of churches and the personification of cults, which the idea of Jesus has too often become on Urantia.
For that reason God the Supreme petitioned the Eternal Son for instructions about how to use fifteen thousand new entities sent to him by the Paradise Trinity. He knew full well that Triunity 14, was not ready for use on Urantia at any time and would never be useful to be applied to the Planetary System now yet called Satania, but a new name will be applied to this planetary system because the present name is using the name of Satan in it as he, Satan, a long time ago, was honored as an excellent administrator of most planets in Satania then. For that reason the Supreme questioned what he was to do with 15,000 new entities to run Urantia in particular– so he thought– and fell ill when the Eternal Son, he would use them to advantage when the time came.
 
“The Eternal Son indicated they would meld into the superstructure of the Supreme when that individual was prepared to take on the administration of the Local Universes in the Grand Universe, especially those who were destined to work in the Supreme-Ultimate, first outer space level (OSL1) However OSL1 was to be stationing its first use of spirit life as early as five to seven Urantia years from now based on the success of the Local Universes near the wall of Galaxies, which is the outside “skin”, or front side, of OSL1. (This concludes Rayson’s remarks.]
Near the last of September this year, the Supreme Being ordered the 15,000 new entities to attend a briefing before him, and then blew himself up killing all but six of the 15,000 beings donated to his cause by the Paradise Trinity through the Eternal Son.
 
God the Supreme proceeded to destroy those 15,000 entities presented to him earlier by the Eternal Son. The Supreme maimed at least fifty thousand administrators on Salvington and Alvoring combined, and never stopped on Salvington until all entities used to support he Bestowal Commission on Urantia we either killed or crippled to the point they could no longer attend to their duties.
 
We now turn to the theory of Evolution, and just what God thought he was doing to preserve his views as the chief control over evolution on the material spheres of time.
 
 
EVOLUTION IS NOT SUPREME
THE SUPREME USES IT BUT DOES NOT DESIGN IT
 
I know very little about what evolution is. I know it from the fossil record and people much smarter than myself who can determine how these changes are defined as part of the evolutionary record on our planet.
 
This evening I looked up where evolution stands to get vocabulary that reflects what God the Supreme deals with in terms of useful scientific terms and then to explain how the Supreme might, or might not, use those areas for his own development. I learned there are three prevailing theories in the universities today and they are defined as;
 
1 - Orthogenesis: the theory that life has a built in ability to change itself to live better either in body form or in mind form;
 
2. Ontogeny - The within nature of an organism to transform say from and egg to an adult. These are examples of truth of being and are not an evolution but a transcendency of growth forms by genetics.
 
3. Lamarckism - Acquiring characteristics from the environment influend only. Heavy beards would be an example and the body adaptation to easily grown them in constant arctic conditions.
 
 
Here is the lecture printed which I read to show the categories in evolutionary theory from a speech in 1995 by Ernst Mayr. (See attribution note at the bottom of this quoted paragraph.]
 
“These three theories were trans-mutationism, the claim that evolutionary novelties originate by major mutations and by the saltational origin of new kinds of organisms, and two transformational theo-ries, which explained evolution in terms of the gradual change of a preexisting entity. These transformational theories took their cue from ontogeny, and believed that just as the fertilized egg is gradually trans-formed into an adult individual, so an evo-lutionary lineage is gradually transformed. There are two very different conceptions of the nature of this transformation, that is, how the transformation is caused. One of them, orthogenesis, Lamarchism is the theory that in the world of life there is some built-in tendency or drive toward progression, improvement, and finally, perhaps, even perfection. The other, Lamarckism, is based on the belief in a direct influence of the environment on the genetic material and an inheritance of ac-quired characters. From 1859 to about 1940, these three opposing theories . . . . “
 
ATTRIBUTION:
THE MODERN EVOLUTIONARY THEORY ERNST MAYR Museum of Comparative Zoology, 26 Oxford Street, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA 02138 Capstone Address, Presented at the 75th Annual Meeting of The American Society of Mammalogists, Burlington, VT, June 1995
 
 
The whole point of doing this is to provide us a way to refer to the work of God the Supreme concerning earth orientation of human development on any material planet which raises human for ascension to perfection.
 
God the Supreme deals only with Ontogeny. That is the part of evolution that transcends temporary forms to be an adult from an egg to Suomi Wrestler, for instance. While Orthogenesis is the Eternal Son and the life endowment operation to animate matter with its propensity to bloom or become perfect.. Orthogenesis is also a major secret of universe endowment of spheres like Urantia, which is a particularly creative group of humans far beyond what is normally seen in the planetary systems of Satania.
 
The problem with the Supreme removing himself is that a lot of similar operations he control on Urantia can be produced on Urantia from other sources to come in and maintain ontogenesis. Thought Adjusters develop the uncanny ability to remove unwanted genetic material in man, and actually, in my case as your author, removed cysts in my feet in order to stabilize my walk easily. God the Supreme does this for most humans by establishing growth to prevent giantism or dwarfism, and the Supreme routinely did this, in order to maintain a healthy population here. The Urantia Book also mentions that it thinks God the Supreme determined the axis tilt on the planet to keep it from overheating in its early days. All of that is called ontogeny or ontogenesis as another form of the word.
 
The removal of God the Supreme on Urantia will entail losing the cell structures we currently use to grow our evolving bodies toward body design perfection. I tend to feel we are, at least in beauty appearances of abstract forms of men and women, reaching the most that can be done with our style of body. MICHAEL OF NEBADON reports that human bodies born today are almost twice as effective at reproduction rates than bodies were in 1930. However, the mental capacities in most humans today drop about four (4) point in IQ as the brain stems are over fed and the heartless wars of attrition force the mind into so much fear, the mind becomes encumbered with fear antigens instead curiosity antigens through the Adjutant Spirit series produced by the Creative Spirit or Holy Spirit depending on the title you are familiar with.
 
God the Supreme encouraged the use of school studies to learn the way to live on Urantia, but the Father much prefers direct experience, and but for teachers, Urantia might go back to the old idea all born here are laborers except for college professors who must lean all the an to keep pace with the arrival of the Magisterial Sons shortly on Urantia.
 
 
The MAGISTERIAL SONS TO
CLEAR URANTIA OF THE SUPREME
 
Finally, how does thing resolve for Urantia, and perhaps for Nebadon? The answer likely lies in the proposed divine Missions by the Magisterial Sons, to clear Urantia of God the Supreme now. But that will likely take hundreds of years to do fully, but in the mean time, the Magisterial Sons slated to return to Urantia to do this work are being re-named as we speak, and the familiar names of SERARA and MONJORONSON are likely to disappear for good now that we have a full court hearing over the issues of names again. I am partly responsible for the name MONJORONSON permeating the speech of many who knew of the pending Magisterial Missions, but I had nothing to do with the name SERARA. Appearing at all, and now learn that SERARA is really one named MONJORONSON and it gets so confusing Paradise renames them all to start without these confusions erupting for anyone. We expect that Monjoronson might be retained but that SERARA may be another and unknown to us at this time.
 
God the Supreme is to be removed from Urantia, at least that is the plan now. Normal procedures are soon to be followed, but the damage to me and the rest of who supported the Farther way without being interfered with has a cost so high to some, that it may be impossible for me to stay much longer. Much has to do with the idea of penury not, but with the instability of a human platform that has a lot of miles on it too, In any case God the Supreme has to be removed carefully and fully or conflicts will start rising when Adam and Eve arrive to teach from the book of the sixth epochal revelation. In that case we stand well, and hope this Bulletin has taught some what the Supreme is, what was intended to do with the Supreme, and so on.
 
We bid you all a good day, and God Bless all.
 
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Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: amethyst on December 13, 2019, 03:10:11 am
Ron—
WOW!    I thank you profusely for this.  
I had no idea that the Supreme was so involved in biology as I never read that in the UB. I don’t know how I could have missed it because I have studied it for many years.  I always thought that it was the Creator Son that designed life patterns for his particular local universe, and was in charge of the biology.

I started reading this post about 1:45 am, and as I look at the clock, its nearly 3:00am.  I spent a lot of time earlier this evening re-reading for about the 20th time the forward of the UB trying to learn more about the different layers of deity, and I did.  Each time I pick it up, I see things that I had missed before.

After reading the section on God the Sevenfold, I noticed that the Supreme Being was number four on our sevenfold approach to Deity.  This tells me that the whole ascension plan will probably be modified in some way.  I can't help but wonder if it will take another generation or so before the SER is released as the Supreme must be removed so carefully and I assume that means slowly.

At any rate this is awesome and tomorrow I am going to go over it again as it is a treasure trove of information.  I’m sure there will be more questions.
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: wendy.winter on December 13, 2019, 04:08:22 am
@Amethyst, I echo your sentiments. Christmas came early for us and Bulletin 9 is a treasured gift indeed. So much is becoming clearer to me with respect to the biological conflict between Adjuster fusion and the Supreme that many of us continue to experience, resulting in physical pain and discomfort. I too will have to re-read Bulletin 9 to have this revelation sink in. Happy learning! Wendy 
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: Clency on December 13, 2019, 05:54:23 am
[ I am here attempting to make a synthesis of a part of Bulletin 9, for a clearer understanding, in regards to the relationship of God the Supreme with us, humans and how far our life, present and future, can be dependable upon His work ]
[ I am opened for any further clarification or correction. I will try to proceed even more with this synthesis later on so as to cover the entire bulletin. ] Domtia
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 13, 2019, 10:14:08 am
...[...]...
After reading the section on God the Sevenfold, I noticed that the Supreme Being was number four on our sevenfold approach to Deity.  This tells me that the whole ascension plan will probably be modified in some way.  I can't help but wonder if it will take another generation or so before the SER is released as the Supreme must be removed so carefully and I assume that means slowly.

At any rate this is awesome and tomorrow I am going to go over it again as it is a treasure trove of information.  I’m sure there will be more questions.



Amethyst. Similarly, yesterday I was researching God the Sevenfold in the Urantia Book:
1) God the Father;
2) God the Son;
3) - God, Spirit;
4) - the Supreme Being;
5) - the Seven Master Spirits;
6) - the Ancients of Days;
7) - the Creator Sons of the Local Universes (Michael and Divine Minister).

With the extinction of God, the Supreme His attributions are in principle replaced by God the Sevenfold.

From what I read in the Urantia Book I understood that the Supreme Being and God the Supreme are the same.

But then comes the question, the million dollar question:

And if the Supreme Being and God the Supreme are the same, how is the new configuration of God the Sevenfold?



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Amethista. Da mesma forma, ontem eu estava pesquisando sobre Deus, o Sétuplo no Livro de Urantia:
1) -  Deus, Pai; 
2) - Deus, Filho; 
3) - Deus, Espírito;
4) - o Ser Supremo;
5) -  os Sete Espiritos Mestres;
6) -  os Anciões dos Dias;
7) -  os Filhos Criadores dos Universos Locais (Michael e Ministra Divina).

Com a extinção de Deus, o Supremo suas atribuições, a princípio, são substituídas por Deus, o Sétuplo.

Pelo que eu li no Livro de Urantia eu entendi que o Ser Supremo e Deus, o Supremo são os mesmos.

Mas então vem a indagação, a pergunta de um milhão de dólares:

E se o Ser Supremo e Deus, o Supremo são os mesmos, como é que fica a nova configuração de Deus, o Sétuplo?
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: amethyst on December 13, 2019, 12:53:03 pm
Julio--Exactly!  That is the very same question I have.  I do not yet know how this changes the configuration of God the sevenfold.  It may have been given to us and I missed it.  That is very easy for me to do when topics get very complicated.

It is my understanding after reading the forward again the the Supreme being was made up of two parts, one, the Almighty Supreme, and two, God the Supreme.  That really gets confusing, I know, but the Almighty Supreme was the power the Supreme was given.  But now that it is gone I guess it doesn't make any difference.

Clency-I like the way you summarized this.  I think it clarifies the bulletin very well.  Almost all of this is stuff I did not know about the Supreme.
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: Ron Besser on December 13, 2019, 02:27:19 pm
Hello Amethyst and all.  No one seems to grasp that the Deity of the Supreme is one, but it is made up of two parts just like your brain is one but has two hemispheres.

God the Supreme was brought into existence by the ideals of another realm we may never be allowed to fully speak to.  I still think we need a primer course from any new revelation about CREATION,  The churches are mumbly and truly useless and I think they should be sent home to any spiritual parent to put them to bed and lock the door against them ever being used again.  No wonder we have sociopaths who thing they can do anything because they have "rights." that transcend the Ten Commandments.

God is ONE and all of you truly subscribe to that basic tenet {rule).  But what happens when you divine the oneness of God into creative distances and life patterns by difussion oneness into trillions of life forms and gravity style planets, you create a duality.
UNDERSTAND THE SUPREME PARTS THIS WAY:

The FIRST SOURCE AND CENTER (God existing after I AM, and before he was called Father) divided reality into two parts:

1  The Deified

2  The Nondeified
God the Supreme must be both.

The Defied is the universe of all living beings willed and non willed and anything else available by Deity fiat.

The Nondeified is all inanimate creations like galaxies and planets and water and salt and billions more of examples.

God the Supreme operates only in the Deified parts of the universe.

God the Almighty operates only in the Nondeified parts of the universe.

The DEITY OF THE SUPREME is neither God the Supreme or the Almighty Supreme. The Deity of the Supreme is more the Trinity, but has been usurped by the Almighty seeking immediate restitution to open the first outer space level to life he says is sufficiently developed to seize control of Urantia.

Why Urantia?

The Almighty Supreme reasons that Urantia has been designed to be the open door to settle the first life in the first outer space level, and therefore must be brought under his control.

I have not yet written the bulletin that explains all this, but you and all others here must learn to understand that Bulletin 9 has to be understood before Bulletin 10 can be read and understood, so I have to wait until you Amethyst and Weydevu and Clency and all of you have some replete understanding of the importance of the Supreme work on Urantia.  While God the Supreme is biological in all phases on Urantia, the Almighty Supreme is replete Deification of all that is material.  Literally, the Almighty Supreme wants you to walk on divine dirt!  I hope you can comprehend that as silly as it sounds to a mortal mind much better centered on reality than the Almighty Supreme is settled on right now.

The Almighty worries about gravity and solar systems and planets that tilt the wrong way and works with Power Directors only and that which works the material universes.  Interestingly, I am not aware that the Almighty Supreme works at all with the Unqualified Absolute which is the Infinite part of how planets and suns get the energy to materialize in our Grand Universe.  God the Supreme never works with Ultimatons, but the Almighty does once they are available to use outside of Paradise.

I know just enough to say that God the Supreme has no clue why underneath the Superuniverse of Orvonton, our Superuniverse we on this planet live in, there is a very deep pool of too hot Ultimatons that must be allowed to cool there, individually for millennia of Urantia time they are so hot.  The Almighty Supreme visits this pool everyday and tells the Father just how many Ultimatons exist there, and how many are cooled and so on that allows HIM, the Father,  ro release them into deep space for sub particle building.

That is the difference between the Almighty (undeified) and God the Supreme (Deified), and it just is not hard to see the basic elements of all reality in this understanding of what parts make it up.

Further stated, and I do not want to go further than this as it constitutes a slightly different form of a lesson than this statement allows, the Deity Absolute contends we are at a limit even for this to be said and I back off . . . .

The Deity of the Supreme, and that is not the Almighty part or the God part, has never violated what the Supreme should be, but it is the Almighty part that got angry and seized what Michael would not give to the Almighty as a gift:  Urantia and all of Nebadon to use as a staging place to launch the population of the First Outer Space Zone.  Now it is far more complicated than that too ,but for our understanding and why we got hit as transmitters, that is what happened when Michael would not give the Almighty his desire to use Urantia and Nebadon as the staging area for the OSL1 places.

Thank you
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Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 14, 2019, 07:23:18 am
Now I'm on vacation, so I have more time to participate in the Serara Forum.

I will report my personal opinion on various subjects as an observer only. If my view is wrong I apologize to everyone in advance.

With the news that God the Supreme is with God, the Eternal Son but is inactive, comes the first and most profound reflections on the universe of universes, on what happened, its causes, and possible solutions.

I will write the messages in part as many subjects are coming to my mind for everyone's reflection.

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Agora estou de férias e, então, tenho mais tempo para participar no Fórum Serara.

Vou relatar minha opinião pessoal, sobre vários assuntos, apenas como observador. Se minha visão estiver errada eu peço desculpas antecipadas a todos.

Com a notícia de que Deus, o Supremo está com Deus, Filho Eterno mas está inativo, vem as primeiras e extremamente profundas reflexões sobre o universo dos universos, sobre o que aconteceu, suas causas, e possíveis soluções.

Irei escrever as mensagens em partes, pois muitos assuntos estão vindo em minha mente para reflexão de todos.
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 14, 2019, 07:44:10 am
Part I

First statement. God the Supreme is with God, Eternal Son, but is inactive.

So God the Supreme may have even been self-extinguished, but has risen and is now inactive with God the Eternal Son.

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Let's do it then. a comparison of God the Supreme with the character Groot (the tree) of the fictional movie Guardians of the Galaxy. As there are several messages, I ask you to wait until the last message ends and then reflect on the whole work, or reflection.


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A little initial remark:

The references below are websites in Portuguese language about the character "Groot" but can also be found in the English language and possibly in other languages:

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groot

https://br.ign.com/cinema-tv/53998/news/diretor-de-guardioes-da-galaxia-confirma-morte-de-groot-no-primeiro-filme

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Anyone who watched the movie knows that the character "Groot" (The Tree) died in the first movie.

(Sorry for telling this to those who didn't see the movie, spoiling the surprise).

However, from the remains of the dead tree (character Groot) appears the resurgence of "Baby Groot" in the following films.

Some say, as one of the sites mentioned above, that it is not the same "Groot" character, but another "Groot" (dumber!).

Unless mistakenly, the conception of the character "Groot" is as if it were a strong character, originated from the biology of evolution, as a tree, but dumb. I do not share with this view of the character "Groot" because in my view, it is just an evolutionary fiction character that goes from imperfection to perfection gradually. Of course, baby Groot is more "dumb" because he was born and then has to accumulate the whole experience again until his vision of reality improves.

I already make it clear that in my view (which may be wrong) I do not consider God the Supreme "dumb" at all, but inexperienced, as if he were a teenager in the universe of universes.


(To be continued)



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Parte I

Primeira afirmação. Deus, o Supremo está com Deus, Filho Eterno, mas está inativo.

Então, Deus, o Supremo pode ter até ter sido extinto, por vontade própria, mas ressurgiu e agora está inativo com Deus, Filho Eterno.

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Vamos fazer, então. uma comparação de Deus, o Supremo com o personagem Groot (a árvore) do filme de ficção  Guardiões da Galáxia. Como são várias mensagens, peço que esperem até terminar a última mensagem para depois refletirem no conjunto da obra, ou reflexão.

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Uma pequena observação inicial:

As referências abaixo são sites no idioma portugues sobre o personagem "Groot" mas podem ser achados também no idioma inglês e, possivelmente, em outros idiomas:

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groot

https://br.ign.com/cinema-tv/53998/news/diretor-de-guardioes-da-galaxia-confirma-morte-de-groot-no-primeiro-filme

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Quem assistiu filme, sabe que o personagem "Groot" (A árvore) morreu no primeiro filme.

(Desculpe por contar isto para aqueles que não viram o filme, estragando a surpresa).

No entanto, dos restos da árvore morta (personagem Groot) aparece o ressurgimento do "Baby Groot", nos filmes seguintes.

Alguns dizem, como um dos sites acima referidos, que não se trata do mesmo personagem "Groot", mas um outro "Groot" (mais burro!).

Salvo engano, a concepção do personagem "Groot" é como se fosse um personagem forte, originado da biologia da evolução, pois uma árvore, mas burro. Não compartilho com esta visão do personagem "Groot", pois na minha visão, é apenas um personagem de ficção evolutivo que vai da imperfeição para a perfeição aos poucos. Logicamente, o baby Groot é mais "burro" pois nasceu e então tem que acumular toda a experiência de novo até melhorar sua visão da realidade.

Já deixo claro que, em minha visão (que pode estar errada) não considero, de forma alguma, Deus, o Supremo "burro", mas inexperiente, como se fosse um adolescente no universo dos universos.


(Continua)
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 14, 2019, 12:57:30 pm
Part II (Continued)

Continuing my personal opinion. If I have been wrong, I apologize in advance and ask them to correct me.

In Part I I reported on the previous statement released here among the latest news from the Serara Forum, namely:

- God the Supreme is inactive with God, Eternal Son

Thus, if God the Supreme is inactive with God the Eternal Son, then God the Supreme may have risen after his extinction in September 2019.

I made a brief comparison with the fictional character "Groot" (a tree) in the movie Guardians of the Galaxy who dies, but after death resurrects the "baby" Groot.

Now in Part II, I will continue on this initial reflection.

Since God the Supreme is young in eternity, he may have made a mistake in his interpretation of the facts.

This is very common, for example, among teenage humans who often make mistakes. This does not mean, however, that an adolescent human being who errs has error as his destiny; however, his error must serve as a reflection.

Perhaps, ideally for God, the Supreme out of inactivity is when he reaches a mature age in the universe of universes, for example, when most of the local universes are in the Age of Light and Life.

In this period, while a large part of the local universes are evolving from imperfection to perfection in pursuit of the Age of Light and Life, it is best for God the Supreme to be inactive.

As I understand it, God the Supreme summarizes the evolution of the personalities of the worlds of time and space.

However, while a large part of the local universes have not yet reached the Age of Light and Life, the synthesis made by God, the Supreme is also incomplete and may cause errors in interpretation of the incomplete facts of the evolving universes. God the Supreme.

For example, we imagine that less than half (less than 50%) of all local universes of the seven superuniverses are in the Age of Light and Life.

Then most of the planets would be in evolutionary phase, and thus, with many errors and misconceptions to overcome.

In this phase of the universe of universes, or rather, at the grand universe level, of the evolutionary planets of time and space, it will occur that the synthesis will also be equally incomplete and possibly full of errors and misconceptions that will be overcome.

What I mean is that everything has its time.

What happened to God the Supreme may have happened because of the immaturity of the evolutionary worlds of space and time in the grand universe that reflected in God the Supreme.

I believe that most of the evolutionary local universes of the grand universe have not yet reached the Age of Light and Life.

(To be continued)

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Parte II (Continuação)

Continuando minha opinião pessoal. Se eu tiver equivocado, eu peço desculpas antecipadas e peço que me corrijam.

Na Parte I eu relatei sobre a afirmativa anterior divulgada aqui entre as últimas notícias do Fórum Serara, ou seja:

-  Deus, o Supremo está inativo com Deus, Filho Eterno

Assim, se Deus, o Supremo esta inativo com Deus, Filho Eterno, então, Deus, o Supremo pode ter ressurgido após sua extinção em setembro de 2019.

Fiz uma breve comparação com o personagem de ficção "Groot" (uma árvore) do filme Guardiões das Galáxias que morre, mas depois da morte ressurge o "baby" Groot.

Agora na Parte II, irei continuar sobre esta reflexão inicial.

Como Deus, o Supremo é jovem a nível da eternidade, pode ser que tenha cometido erro em sua interpretação dos fatos.

Isto é muito comum, por exemplo, entre os seres humanos adolescentes que muitas vezes erram. Isto não significa, no entanto, que um ser humano adolescente que erra tenha como o destino o erro, no entanto, seu erro deve servir de reflexão.

Talvez, o ideal para Deus, o Supremo sair da inatividade é quando chegar a uma idade madura a nível do universo dos universos, por exemplo, quando a maior parte dos universos locais estiverem na Era da Luz e da Vida.

Neste período, enquanto uma grande parte dos universos locais estão em evolução da imperfeição para a perfeição, em busca da Era de Luz e da Vida, o melhor é que Deus, o Supremo fique inativo.

Pelo que eu entendi, Deus, o Supremo faz a síntese da evolução das personalidades dos mundos do tempo e do espaço.

Só que, enquanto uma grande parte dos universos locais, ainda não chegaram a Era da Luz e da Vida, a síntese efetuada por Deus, o Supremo também está incompleta, podendo ocasionar erros de interpretação dos fatos incompletos dos universos em evolução, por parte de Deus, o Supremo.

Por exemplo, imaginamos que menos da metade (menos de 50%) de todos os universos locais dos sete superuniversos estejam na Era da Luz e da Vida.

Então, a maior parte dos planetas estariam em fase evolutiva, e assim, com muitos erros e equivocos a serem superados.

Nesta fase do universo dos universos, ou melhor, a nível de grande universo, dos planetas evolutivos do tempo e do espaço, ocorrerá que a síntese também estará igualmente incompleta e, possivelmente, cheia de erros e equívocos que serão superados.

O que eu quero dizer é que tudo tem o seu tempo.

O que aconteceu, com Deus, o Supremo, talvez tenha acontecido em razão da imaturidade dos mundos evolutivos do espaço e tempo do grande universo e que refletiram em Deus, o Supremo.

Eu acredito que a maior parte dos universos locais evolutivos do grande universo ainda não atingiram a Era da Luz e da Vida.

(Continua)

Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 14, 2019, 01:53:46 pm
Part III

Continuing my personal opinion. If I have been wrong, I apologize in advance and ask them to correct me.

In Part II, I reported that possibly most of the local universes are not in the Age of Light and Life.

He said that from what I understood in the earlier messages of the Serara Forum, God the Supreme represents the reflection of the synthesis of the personalities of the evolutionary worlds of time and space in the grand universe.

Thus, as most local universes possibly need to evolve, the synthesis made by God, the Supreme is incomplete and thus subject to error and misunderstanding.

I have narrated that perhaps it would be best for God the Supreme to remain inactive until most of the local universes of the evolutionary worlds of time and space in the grand universe are in the Age of Light and Life.

I then continue with part III.

Initially, I supplement the previous sentence by saying that perhaps it was better than God, the Supreme would remain inactive until most of the local universes, or TOTALITY, of the evolutionary worlds of time and space in the grand universe are in the Age of God. Light and Life.

We evolutionary humans of time and space seek to evolve toward perfection.

Yes, we are imperfect. But although we are imperfect, and we know it, we seek to evolve, we seek to perfect ourselves constantly.

God the Father, which means love, is also the chief reference in pursuit of perfection, for God the Father teaches: - Be perfect, as I am perfect.

As evolutionary humans of time and space, we are imperfect, and we are subject to many errors, misconceptions, and negative emotions of animal origin.

Yes, we have animal origin, and so it often happens that we have negative emotions of animal origin, such as fear, among others, that must be overcome.

If we think we can have eternity in the heavens to do all the really important projects, even after the physical death of the body, why are we afraid?

Yes, we have the possibility of eternity in heaven by believing and submitting to the will of God the Father.

As we are imperfect, so often in our thoughts come wrong, misguided ideas.

In order to evolve, the indwelling spirit of God, the Thought Adjuster, must prevail in our minds, that is, in our case as evolutionary human beings who believe in God.

The indwelling spirit of God, the Thought Adjuster, is a part of God the Father who represents perfection.

The indwelling Spirit of God, the Thought Adjuster, must prevail over negative emotions of animal origin, such as fear. This will allow us to evolve from imperfection to perfection.

When I am in doubt, when my thoughts are in doubt, I say, in my mind, above all that is done at the will of God the Father, for I recognize the wisdom and love of God the Father.

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So let's say God the Supreme represents the reflection and synthesis of the personalities of the evolving grand universe, most of which still need evolution to reach the Age of Light and Life.

So, just as mortal human beings are evolving, so is God the Supreme evolving.

As I understand it, in the last messages here of the Serara Forum, God, the Supreme is originated by the Paradise Trinity (God, Universal Father; God, Eternal Son and God, Infinite Spirit), but also has connection with biology, ie life on the evolutionary planets of time and space.

Thus, with the connection of God the Supreme with biological life, the reflection of most evolutionary worlds that have not yet reached the Age of Light and Life, has, for the time being, at this stage of the grand universe even stronger. the emotions of animal origin, than the light of the teachings of God the Father.

In a hypothetical mathematical equation, it is as if more than half of the thoughts were misguided and full of errors from animal origin and have not yet been overcome by deep reflection on God the Father.

When the hypothetical mathematical equation has most thoughts in the right, right values, derived from the reflection of the teachings of God, Father, at this time, the reflection and synthesis of God, the Supreme will also have as its greater object the teachings of God. God the Father added the experiences that will work out in the evolutionary worlds of time and space.

The hypothetical mathematical equation that reveals, then, the best time out of God's inactivity, the Supreme, is when most or all of the local universes of time and space were in the Age of Light and Life.

I clarify that the hypothetical mathematical equation represents thought, the synthesis of the thoughts of the evolutionary worlds of time and space.

It also has the relevant issue that God the Supreme assimilates all extinct personalities who have become extinct because of sin and iniquity.

To be continued


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Parte III

Continuando minha opinião pessoal. Se eu tiver equivocado, eu peço desculpas antecipadas e peço que me corrijam.

Na Parte II, eu relatei que, possivelmente, a maior parte dos universos locais não estejam na Era da Luz e da Vida.

Disse que, pelo que eu entendi, nas mensagens anteriores do Fórum Serara, Deus, o Supremo representa a reflexão da síntese das personalidades dos mundos evolucionários do tempo e do espaço, no grande universo.

Assim, como a maior parte dos universos locais, possivelmente, precisam evoluir, a síntese efetuada por Deus, o Supremo está incompleta e, então, sujeita a erros e equívocos.

Narrei que, talvez, o melhor seria é que Deus, o Supremo continuasse inativo até que a maior parte dos universos locais dos mundos evolucionários do tempo e do espaço, no grande universo, estejam na Era da Luz e da Vida.

Continuo, então, com a  parte III.

Inicialmente, eu complemento a frase anterior, dizendo que talvez fosse melhor que Deus, o Supremo continuasse inativo até que a maior parte dos universos locais, ou a TOTALIDADE, dos mundos evolucionários do tempo e do espaço, no grande universo, estejam na Era da Luz e da Vida.

Nós seres humanos evolucionários do tempo e do espaço, buscamos evoluir em direção da perfeição.

Sim, somos imperfeitos. Mas apesar de sermos imperfeitos, e sabermos disto, buscamos evoluir, buscamos nos aperfeiçoar, constantemente.

Deus, Pai que significa amor, também é a principal referência em busca da perfeição, pois Deus, Pai ensina: - Sejam perfeitos, como eu sou perfeito.

Como seres humanos evolucionários do tempo e do espaço, somos imperfeitos, e estamos sujeitos a muitos erros, equívocos e emoções negativas de origem animal.

Sim, temos origem animal, e assim, muitas vezes, acontece que temos emoções negativas de origem animal, como medo, entre outras, que devem ser superadas.

Se pensarmos que podemos ter a eternidade nos céus para fazer todos os projetos realmente importantes, mesmo após a morte física do corpo, por que temos medo?

Sim, temos a possibilidade da eternidade nos céus, ao  acreditar e submeter a vontade de Deus, Pai.

Como somos imperfeitos, muitas vezes, em nossos pensamentos vem ideias erradas, equivocadas.

Para evoluir, deve prevalecer  o espírito residente de Deus, o Ajustador do Pensamento, em nossas mentes, ou seja, em nosso caso como seres humanos evolucionários que acreditam em Deus.

O espírito residente de Deus, o Ajustador do Pensamento, é uma parte de Deus, Pai que representa a perfeição.

O Espirito residente de Deus, o Ajustador do Pensamento deve prevalecer sobre as emoções negativas de origem animal, como o medo. Assim conseguiremos evoluir da imperfeição para a perfeição

Quando eu estou em dúvida, quando os meus pensamentos estão em dúvida, eu digo, em minha mente, acima de tudo que seja feita à vontade de Deus, Pai, pois eu reconheço a sabedoria  e o amor de Deus, Pai.


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Então, digamos que Deus, o Supremo representa a reflexão e a síntese das personalidades do grande universo, que está em evolução, sendo que a maior parte ainda precisa de evolução para chegar a Era de Luz e de Vida.

Então, assim, como os seres humanos mortais estão evoluindo, da mesma forma, Deus, o Supremo, está evoluindo.

Pelo que eu entendi, nas últimas mensagens aqui do Fórum Serara, Deus, o Supremo é originado pela Trindade do Paraíso (Deus, Pai Universal; Deus, Filho Eterno e Deus, Espírito Infinito), mas também tem ligação com a biologia, ou seja a vida nos planetas evolucionários do tempo e do espaço.

Assim, com a ligação de Deus, o Supremo com a vida biológica, a reflexão da maior parte dos mundos evolucionários que ainda não chegaram a Era da Luz e da Vida, tem, ainda, por enquanto, nesta fase do grande universo, mais forte as emoções de origem animal, do que a luz dos ensinamentos de Deus, Pai.

Em uma hipotética equação matemática, é como se fosse que mais da metade dos pensamentos fossem equivocados e cheios de erros oriundos da origem animal e que ainda não foram superados pela profunda reflexão em Deus, Pai.

Quando a hipótetica equação matemática estiver com a maior parte dos pensamentos em valores certos, corretos, oriundos da reflexão dos ensinamentos de Deus, Pai, neste momento, a reflexão e síntese de Deus, o Supremo também terá como objetivo maior, os próprios ensinamentos de Deus, Pai somados as experiências que derão certo nos mundos evolucionários do tempo e do espaço.

A hipotética equação matemática que revela, então, o melhor momento da saída da inatividade de Deus, o Supremo é quando a maioria ou a TOTALIDADE dos universos locais, do tempo e do espaço, estivem na Era da Luz e da Vida.

Esclareço que a hipotética equação matemática representa o pensamento, a síntese dos pensamentos dos mundos evolucionários do tempo e do espaço.


Também tem a relevante questão de que Deus, o Supremo assimila todos as personalidades extintas, que foram extintas por causa do pecado e da iniquidade.



Continua
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 14, 2019, 02:35:56 pm
Part IV

Continuing my personal opinion. If I have been wrong, I apologize in advance and ask them to correct me.

In Part III, I reported a hypothetical mathematical equation in which most of the local universes, evolutionary planets of time and space have not yet arrived in the Age of Light and Life, and thus with many errors and misconceptions that may cause reflection and synthesis of God, the Supreme must be perfected, as with the ascending evolutionary human beings of time and space.

I also related, in the final part, about the important question of God, the Supreme assimilating all personalities that were extinguished because of sin and iniquity.

So, I continue with Part IV.

God the Sevenfold is represented in the grand universe by:
1) God, Universal Father;
2) God, Eternal Son;
3) God, Infinite Spirit;
4) The Supreme Being;
5) The Seven Master Spirits;
6) The Ancients of Days;
7) The Michaeis Creator Sons (and the Divine Ministers)


For those visitors who know little about the Urantia Book, I first clarify that Jesus Christ, or rather Joshua Ben Joseph, simply Joshua, as he prefers to be called, is a Michael Creator Son who was on our planet Earth, known and named as planet Urantia, in the universe of universes, by God the Supreme.

For this reason the name, Urantia Book that represents the Fifth Reveal of the Era, which, however, is deeply outdated, according to news published in the Serara Forum.

Mantutia Melchizedek is responsible for editing and revising the Urantia Book, when information from various celestial beings was collected and disseminated to a group of Americans, and published in the English language in 1955.

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God, Universal Father; God the Eternal Son and God the Infinite Spirit form the Paradise Trinity.

In turn, the Micheal Creator Sons are children of God, Universal Father and God, Eternal Son. Divine Ministers are daughters of God, Infinite Spirit.

Similarly, the Supreme Being, the Ancients of Days, and the Seven Master Spirits are from God the Father; God the Son and God the Spirit individually, associatively, or through the Paradise Trinity.

As I understand it, however, the Supreme Being has a peculiarity.



God the Supreme also has a connection with undidified personality, unlike the other six of God the Setuple, which are exclusively formed directly by God the Father; God the Son and God the Spirit, individually, associatively or by the Paradise Trinity

In my mind, from the readings of the Urantia Book, comes the division between the Deity Absolute and the Unqualified Absolute. The latter (Unqualified Absolute) has only connection with matter and energy.

Precisely because of this peculiarity, the Supreme Being, who is the God, evolutionary, experimental, is subject to errors and misconceptions of evolution itself.



Evolution that reflects the evolutionary planets of time and space that come from imperfection to perfection.

Perhaps the importance of God the Supreme is revealed by some deity, divinity, or celestial being, such as the Council of Balance or the Finisher of the Destiny of the Universe.

I, in my humble opinion, see God the Supreme as the balance of evolutionary worlds that evolve from imperfection into the Age of Light and Life toward, then, the pursuit of perfection.

God the Supreme, in reflecting on the synthesis of evolutionary worlds, can, when all local universes are in the Age of Light and Life, make a synthesis of the good experiences that have worked thanks to the efforts of the various personalities of the universe.

Why is this synthesis necessary?

The grand universe, our place, the domain of the Supreme Being, is only a very small portion of the master universe.

The more positive experiences are synthesized, the more models heavenly beings can follow in the light of God the Father.

To be continued

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Parte IV

Continuando minha opinião pessoal. Se eu tiver equivocado, eu peço desculpas antecipadas e peço que me corrijam.

Na Parte III, eu relatei uma hipotética equação matemática em que a maior parte dos universos locais, dos planetas evolucionários do tempo e do espaço ainda não chegaram na Era da Luz e da Vida e assim com muitos erros e equívocos que podem fazer com que a reflexão e a síntese de Deus, o Supremo precisa ser aperfeiçoada, assim como acontece com os seres humanos evolucionários ascendentes do tempo e do espaço.

Relatei também, na parte final, sobre a importante questão de Deus, o Supremo assimilar todas as personalidades que foram extintas por causa do pecado e da iniquidade.

Então, continuo com a Parte IV.

Deus o Sétuplo é representado, no grande universo, por:
1) Deus, Pai Universal;
2) Deus, Filho Eterno;
3) Deus, Espírito Infinito;
4) O Ser Supremo;
5) Os Sete Espíritos Mestres;
6) Os Anciões dos Dias;
7) Os Filhos Criadores Michaeis (e as Ministras Divinas)


Para aqueles visitante que conhecem pouco o Livro de Urantia, esclareço, inicialmente, que Jesus Cristo, ou melhor, Joshua Ben Joseph, simplesmente Joshua, como prefere ser chamado, é um Filho Criador Michael que esteve em nosso planeta Terra, conhecido e nomeado como planeta Urantia, no universo dos universos, por Deus, o Supremo.

Por isto o nome, Livro de Urantia que representa a Quinta Revelaçao da Época, que no entanto, está profundamente desatualizado, conforme notícias divulgadas no Fórum Serara.

Mantutia Melquisedeque é o responsável pela edição e revisão do Livro de Urantia, quando foi coletada a informação de diversos seres celestiais e divulgados para um grupo de americanos, e publicado no idioma inglês, no ano de 1955.

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Deus, Pai Universal; Deus, Filho Eterno e Deus, Espírito Infinito formam a Trindade do Paraíso.

Por sua vez, os Filhos Criadores Micháeis são filhos de Deus, Pai Universal e Deus, Filho Eterno. As Ministras Divinas são filhas de Deus, Espírito Infinito.

Da mesma forma, o Ser Supremo, os Anciões dos Dias e os Sete Espíritos Mestres são oriundos de Deus, Pai; Deus, Filho e Deus, Espírito, individualmente, associativamente, ou através da Trindade do Paraíso.

Pelo que eu entendi, no entanto, o Ser Supremo tem uma peculiaridade.



Deus, o Supremo também tem ligação com personalidade não-deidificada, ao contrário dos demais seis, de Deus, o Setúplo, que são exclusivamente formados diretamente por Deus, Pai; Deus, Filho e Deus, Espírito, individualmente, associativamente ou pela Trindade do Paraíso


Em minha mente, sobre as leituras do Livro de Urantia, vem a divisão entre o Absoluto da Deidade e o Absoluto Inqualificável. Este último (Absoluto Inqualificável), tem ligação apenas com a matéria e energia.

Justamente, por causa desta peculiaridade, o Ser Supremo, que é o Deus, evolucionário, experimental, está sujeito a erros e equívocos da própria evolução.



Evolução que reflete os planetas evolucionários do tempo e do espaço que vem da imperfeição para a perfeição.

Talvez, a importância de Deus, o Supremo, seja revelada por alguma deidade, divindade ou ser celestial, como, por exemplo, o Conselho do Equilíbrio, ou o Consumador do Destino do Universo

Eu, em minha humilde opinião, vejo Deus, o Supremo como o equilibrio dos mundos evolucionários que evoluem da imperfeição para a Era da Luz e da Vida em direção, então, na busca da perfeição.

Deus, o Supremo, ao fazer a reflexão da síntese dos mundos evolucionários, poderá, quando todos os universos locais estiverem na Era da Luz e da Vida, fazer uma síntese das experiências boas que deram certo graças aos esforços das diversas personalidades do universo.

Por que é necessário esta síntese?

O grande universo, nosso local, domínio do Ser Supremo, é apenas uma pequeníssima parcela do universo mestre.

Quanto mais experiências positivas forem sintentizadas, mais modelos poderão ser seguidos pelos seres celestiais na luz de Deus, Pai.

Continua

Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 14, 2019, 03:21:16 pm

Part V

Continuing my personal opinion. If I have been wrong, I apologize in advance and ask them to correct me.

In Part IV I reported that the Supreme Being has a peculiarity that distinguishes it from the rest of God, the Sevenfold.

The Supreme Being is the only one of the seven of God the Sevenfold who also has connection with the undefined part of the universe.

I have reported that there is, in my view, a sense in the Supreme Being as equilibrium when seeking reflection and synthesis in the experiences that have worked in the grand universe, by the experience and effort of the heavenly beings of the evolutionary worlds of time and space.

He said that the answer of the connection of the Supreme Being with undidified part as a form of equilibrium may be given by some deity, divinity, celestial being, such as the Council of Balance or the Finisher of Destiny of the Universe.

I have narrated that the need for evolution of the Great Universe, with experience in shaping evolutionary models that worked, may be helpful because the universe of universes is far greater than the grand universe.
 
Continuing, part V.

Part V reports on the problems with the location of this region of the universe where our planet Urantia and our local Nebadon universe are located.

As I understand it, in the Serara Forum news, our local Nebadon universe, and especially our planet Urantia (planet Earth) are situated in the border region between the Great Universe and Outer Space.

The latest news reports that our local Nebadon universe, and possibly our planet Urantia, was designed to be the gateway from Outer Space to the Great Universe.

Precisely because it is such an important frontier region in the master universe, interference occurred in the first place from God the Supreme who has dominion in the grand universe. Then, too, the second interference of God, the Last One who has dominion in outer space.

This interference is due to the location of the border, as both Deities (God the Sevenfold and God the Ultimate) would like their projects to be taken into consideration as they would affect beings from both places (outer space and grand universe).

It turns out, we have a very difficult situation here on the planet and in our local universe that was the Lucifer rebellion.

Of course, Michael de Nebadon and the Divine Minister are doing everything possible for evolutionary planets to evolve from imperfection to the Age of Light and Life in pursuit of perfection.

However, a number of failures have hindered the evolution of humanity on our planet.

The arrival of the planetary prince (First Revelation) in Mesopotamia (present-day Iraq) approximately 500,000 years ago was hundreds of thousands of normal years, until 200 to 300,000 years after arrival (confirm the correct date in the Urantia Book). Then the Lucifer rebellion occurred, which our planetary prince Caligastia, popularly known as the Devil, adhered to.

Nor was the spiritual and material evolution that would have occurred with the arrival of Adam and Eve (Second Revelation), material children scheduled to arrive on the evolutionary planets, which occurred around 36,000 years ago, which were initially located in the first Garden. from Eden, currently submerged in the Mediterranean Sea, possibly near or near the Turkish coast.

The Nordic people (Scandinavia), are the people that contain the most genetic derived from the many sons of Adam and Eve. It is no coincidence that these people have the highest index of human development on the planet. But even so, the genetic index of Adam and Eve is very few, even in Scandinavian peoples.


The arrival of Machiventa Melchizedek, the sage of Salem (Jerusalem) (Third Revelation) served to improve the spirituality of the planet that was extremely low at the time.

Abraham, the patriarch of the world's three largest monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, was a student of Machiventa Melchizedek.

In the Christian Bible, in the Old Testament Book, Genesis, there is the observation that Melchizedek gave Abram wine.

The Fourth Revelation is the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.

The Fifth Revelation is the Urantia Book, but it is very outdated, according to news from the Serara Forum, made by the same contact committee led by Mantutia Melchizedek.

I have tried to report the revelations on our planet, according to the Urantia Book to demonstrate successive failures.

Only it takes AUTONOMY for Michael of Nebadon and the Divine Minister to be able to make adjustments, corrections, for the planet Urantia to return to the light of God.

In my humble vision, the constant interference of God the Supreme and God, the Ultimate interrupting and aborting the various missions of God, may be hindering the beginning of effective spiritual recovery of our planet.

To be continued

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Parte V

Continuando minha opinião pessoal. Se eu tiver equivocado, eu peço desculpas antecipadas e peço que me corrijam.

Na Parte IV eu relatei que o Ser Supremo tem uma peculiaridade que distingue dos demais integrantes de Deus, o Sétuplo. 

O Ser Supremo é o único dos sete, de Deus, o Sétuplo, que também tem ligação com a parte não-deificada no universo.

Relatei que existe, em minha visão, um sentido no Ser Supremo como equilibrio, quando se busca a reflexão e a síntese nas experiências que deram certo no grande universo, pela experiência e esforço dos seres celestiais dos mundos evolucionários do tempo e do espaço.

Disse que a resposta da ligação do Ser Supremo com parte não deidificada, como forma de equilibrio, possa ser dada por alguma deidade, divindade, ser celestial, como o Conselho do Equilibrio ou o Consumador do Destino do Universo.

Narrei que a necessidade de evolução do Grande Universo, com a experiência na formação de modelos evolutivos que deram certo, podem ser úteis pois o universo dos universos é extremamente muito maior que o grande universo.
 
Continuando, a parte V.

A parte V relata sobre os problemas com a localização desta região do universo em que nosso planeta Urantia e nosso universo local de Nebadon estão localizados.

Segundo o que eu entendi, nas notícias do Fórum Serara, nosso universo local de Nebadon, e principalmente, nosso planeta Urantia (planeta Terra) estão situados na região de fronteira entre o Grande Universo e o Espaço Exterior.

As últimas notícias relatam que nosso universo local de Nebadon, e possivelmente, nosso planeta Urantia tinha sido projetados para ser o portal de entrada do Espaço Exterior para o Grande Universo.

Justamente, por ser região de fronteira tão importante no universo mestre ocorreu a interferência, em primeiro lugar, de Deus, o Supremo que tem o domínio no grande universo. Depois, também, a interferencia, em segundo lugar, de Deus, o Último que tem o domínio no espaço exterior.

Esta interferência se deve a localização de fronteira, pois ambas Deidades  (Deus,  o Sétuplo e Deus, o Último) gostariam de que seus projetos também fossem levados em consideração, pois afetariam os seres oriundos de ambos locais (espaço exterior e grande universo).

Acontece que, temos uma situação muito difícil aqui no planeta e em nosso universo local que foi a rebelião de Lúcifer.

Com certeza, Michael de Nebadon e a Ministra Divina estão fazendo tudo o possível para evolução dos planetas evolucionários para evoluirem da imperfeição para a Era da Luz e de Vida em busca da perfeição.

No entanto, uma série de insucessos prejudicaram a evolução da humanidade em nosso planeta.

A chegada do príncipe planetário (Primeira Revelação) na Mesopotâmia (atual Iraque), há aproximadamente 500 mil anos atrás teve centenas de milhares de anos normais, até que 200 a 300 mil anos depois da chegada (confirme a data correta no Livro de Urantia), ocorreu a rebelião de Lúcifer que nosso princípe planetário Caligastia, conhecido popularmente, como Diabo, aderiu.

Também não teve sucesso a evolução espiritual e material que seria dada com a chegada de Adão e Eva (Segunda Revelação), filhos materiais programados para chegarem nos planetas evolucionários, ocorrida por volta de 36.000 anos atrás, que se localizaram, inicialmente, no primeiro Jardim do Eden, atualmente submerso no Mar Mediterrâneo, possivelmente, próximo ao litoral da Turquia ou região próxima.

Os povos nórdicos (escandinávia), são os povos que contem a maior parte genética derivada dos muitos filhos de Adão e Eva. Não é por acaso, que estes povos tem o maior indice de desenvolvimento humano no planeta. Mas mesmo assim, o índice genetíco de Adão e Eva são muito poucos, mesmos nos povos escandinavos.


A chegada de Maquiventa Melquisedeque, o sábio de Salém (Jerusalém)  (Terceira Revelação) serviu para melhorar a espiritualidade do planeta que estava extremamente baixa na época.

Abraão, o patriarca das três maiores religiões monoteístas do mundo, judaísmo, cristianismo e islamismo foi aluno de Maquiventa Melquisedeque.

Na Bíblia crista, no Livro do Antigo Testamento, Genesis, existe a observação que Melquisedeque deu vinho a Abrãao.

A Quarta Revelação é a vida e os ensinamentos de Jesus Cristo.

A Quinta Revelação é o Livro de Urantia, mas que está muito desatualizado, conforme notícias do Fórum Serara, feitas pela mesma comissão de contato liderada por Mantutia Melquisedeque.

Tentei relatar as revelações em nosso planeta, conforme o Livro de Urantia para demonstrar os sucessivos insucessos.

Só que é necessário AUTONOMIA para Michael de Nebadon e para a Ministra Divina para poderem fazer os ajustes, as correções, para que o planeta Urantia retorne a luz de Deus.

Em minha humilde visão, a constante interferência de Deus, o Supremo e Deus, o Último interrompendo e abortando as diversas missões de Deus, talvez estejam dificultando o início de recuperação espiritual efetiva de nosso planeta.

Continua

Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 14, 2019, 03:46:34 pm

Part VI

Continuing my personal opinion. If I have been wrong, I apologize in advance and ask them to correct me.

In part V I reported that our local Nebadon universe and our planet Urantia are in the boundary region between the Great Universe and Outer Space.

He said that as a border region, there was a lot of interference from God, the Supreme and God the Ultimate, which possibly aborted and delayed the beginning of God's various missions for the spiritual recovery of the planet.


I recounted the five revelations, according to the Urantia Book and the failures derived from the Lucifer and Caligastia rebellion (known as the Devil).

I pointed out that, in my view, it is necessary for the interference of God, the Supreme and God, the latter to give a vote of confidence with AUTONOMY to Michael de Nebadon and the Divine Minister to make corrections and adjustments for the spiritual recovery of God. our planet.

So, continuing with part VI.

It is normal that when two or more personalities decide to decide together on some really important issues, they should seek consensus.

But also, it is important that the final answer be given to some personality, if in doubt, or the persistence of deadlock in finding solutions. Otherwise, the perpetuation of impasses will delay decision-making and the effective beginning of a spiritual improvement project for a long time.

In this case, I propose that the final word be given to Michael of Nebadon, Creator Son of our Local Universe who was on our planet as Jesus Christ, or Joshua Ben Joseph, or simply, Joshua as he prefers to be called.

Having only one caveat or exception, that if God the Father decides to take up any question, the will of God the Universal Father must be done.

This does not mean that God the Supreme or God the Ultimate is set aside. Both will be able to report their concerns to God, the Universal Father who will reflect their considerations, and after hearing Michael de Nebadon, give the truth, the final word, in any stalemate over spiritual recovery projects of our planet Urantia, our local universe of Nebadon. .

Why the final word for Michael of Nebadon, except for God, Father?

Simply because a certain AUTONOMY is required to be able to work without interference in search of spiritual evolution. Many thousands of planets have reached the Age of Light and Life in our local universe. A vote of confidence is required for the work of Michael de Nebadon. And Michael of Nebadon is the direct child of God, the Universal Father, and of God, the Eternal Son. And Michal of Nebadon works with the Divine Minister who is God's direct daughter, Infinite Spirit.


To be continued
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Parte VI

Continuando minha opinião pessoal. Se eu tiver equivocado, eu peço desculpas antecipadas e peço que me corrijam.

Na parte V eu relatei que nosso universo local de Nebadon e nosso planeta Urantia estão na região de fronteira entre o Grande Universo e o Espaço Exterior.

Disse que, por ser uma região de fronteira, ocorreu muitas interferências de Deus, o Supremo e Deus o Último que, possivelmente, abortaram e atrasaram o início das diversas missões de Deus para a recuperação espiritual do planeta.


Narrei as cinco revelações, segundo o Livro de Urantia e os insucessos derivados da rebelião de Lúcifer e de Caligástia (conhecido como Diabo).

Ressaltei, que em minha visão, é necessário que cessem as interferências de Deus, o Supremo e Deus, o Último dando um voto de confiança com a AUTONOMIA para Michael de Nebadon e para a Ministra Divina fazerem as correções e ajustes para a recuperação espiritual de nosso planeta.

Então, continuando com a parte VI.

É normal que quando duas ou mais personalidades resolvem decidir, em conjunto, em algumas questões realmente importantes, devem buscar o consenso.

Mas também, é importante que a resposta final seja dada a alguma personalidade, em caso de dúvida, ou a persistência de impasse na busca de soluções. Caso contrário, a perpetuação dos impasses fará com que se adie, por um longo tempo, a tomada de decisão e início efetivo de projeto de aperfeiçoamento espiritual.

No caso, eu proponho que a palavra final seja dada a Michael de Nebadon, Filho Criador de nosso Universo Local e que esteve em nosso planeta como Jesus Cristo, ou Joshua Ben Joseph, ou simplesmente, Joshua como prefere ser chamado.

Tendo apenas uma ressalva ou exceção, que caso Deus, Pai resolver assumir qualquer questão, deverá ser feita a vontade de Deus, Pai Universal.

Isto não significa que Deus, o Supremo, ou Deus, o Último sejam deixados de lado. Ambos poderão relatar suas preocupações a Deus, Pai Universal que irá refletir suas considerações, e após ouvir Michael de Nebadon, dar o verídito, a palavra final, em eventuais impasses sobre projetos de recuperação espiritual de nosso planeta Urantia, de nosso universo local de Nebadon.

Por que a palavra final para Michael de Nebadon, com ressalva para Deus, Pai?

Simplesmente, por que é necessário uma certa AUTONOMIA para poder trabalhar sem interferências, em busca da evolução espiritual. Muitos milhares de planetas já chegaram a Era de Luz e de Vida em nosso universo local. É necessário um voto de confiança para o trabalho de Michael de Nebadon. E Michael de Nebadon é filho direto de Deus, Pai Universal e de Deus, Filho Eterno. E Michal de Nebadon trabalha com a Ministra Divina que é filha direta de Deus, Espírito Infinito.

Continua

Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 14, 2019, 04:04:33 pm
Part VII



This is the last part of this long message today.

Continuing my personal opinion. If I have been wrong, I apologize in advance and ask them to correct me.

In part VI I reinforced the request for AUTONOMY and the vow of confidence to Michael de Nebadon, who was on our planet like Jesus, with the exception for God the Father.

He said that any question or disagreement from God the Supreme and God the Ultimate must be brought by them to God the Universal Father who before deciding and giving the final word will hear Michael of Nebadon.


Now a supplication to all the personalities of the universe of universes. When you have an important doubt in your actions, ask yourself what God, the universal Father teaches to all personalities.

Even though commanded by his immediate superiors, there is God, the Universal Father who is greater than anything, and what really matters, in doubt, is to submit totally to God, the Universal Father.

If in doubt about an order received from your superior, somehow seek the answer from God, the Universal Father.

Doing so, the seed of evil will not germinate. Evil that can be derived from any major misconception or error, or in more serious cases, sin, iniquity, and rebellion against God, the Universal Father.

Remember, God the Universal Father is a loving father who knows us especially in the most important requests. Of course, in our requests we must also do our part with work and study, and if it is fate, everything will be done at the right time.

The final concern of this message speaks to the specific issue of our planet that is about to soon have a geographical shift of the poles, killing most of humanity, the animals of the planet.

How difficult it is to face this situation in normal times. Yes, this is a geological situation that has already happened and that happens on evolutionary planets like our planet.

I ask in my prayers that the Deities, the deities, the heavenly beings seek a solution in the heavens for Michael of Nebadon and his heavenly beings sent for the spiritual recovery of the planet.

I ask you to allow our planet Urantia to continue to exist in the universe, even with the severe tectonic changes that will soon take place, so that in the future it will become a university planet for the study of Lucifer's rebellion, how to make sure that this does not happen again. anywhere in the universe of universes.

With much love to all,

Julio

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Parte VII



Esta é a última parte desta longa mensagem de hoje.

Continuando minha opinião pessoal. Se eu tiver equivocado, eu peço desculpas antecipadas e peço que me corrijam.

Na parte VI eu reforçei o pedido para que seja dado AUTONOMIA e o voto de confiança para Michael de Nebadon, que esteve em nosso planeta como Jesus, com a ressalva para Deus, Pai.

Disse que eventual questão ou divergência de Deus, o Supremo e Deus, o Último devem ser levado por eles até Deus, Pai Universal que antes de decidir e dar a palavra final irá ouvir Michael de Nebadon.


Agora, uma súplica a todas as personalidades do universo dos universos. Quando tiver uma dúvida importante em suas ações, se indaguem o que Deus, Pai universal ensina para todas as personalidades.

Mesmo recebendo ordens de seus superiores imediatos, existe Deus, Pai Universal que é maior que tudo e realmente o que importa, nas dúvidas, é se submeter totalmente a Deus, Pai Universal.

Se tiverem dúvidas sobre uma ordem recebida, de seu superior hierarquico, busque, de alguma forma, a resposta de Deus, Pai Universal.

Fazendo-se assim, a semente  do mal não germinará. Mal que pode ser derivado de qualquer equívoco ou erro importante, ou em casos mais graves, o pecado, a iniquidade e a rebelião contra Deus, Pai Universal.

Lembrem-se, que Deus, Pai Universal é um pai amoroso e que nos conhece, principalmente, nos pedidos mais importantes. Logicamente, em nossos pedidos também devemos fazer nossa parte com trabalho e estudo e, se for o destino, tudo será realizado na época certa.

A preocupação final desta mensagem fala sobre a questão específica de nosso planeta que está prestes a ter em pouquissimo tempo uma mudança geográfica dos pólos, matando a maior parte da humanidade, dos animais do planeta.

O quanto é difícil enfrentar esta situação em tempos normais. Sim, esta é uma situação geológica que já aconteceu e que acontece em planetas evolucionários como nosso planeta.

Peço, em minhas orações, que as Deidades, as divindades, os seres celestiais busquem uma solução nos céus, em favor de Michael de Nebadon e de seus seres celestiais enviados para recuperação espiritual do planeta.

Peço que permitam que nosso planeta Urantia continue a existir no universo, mesmo com as graves mudanças tectônicas que em breve acontecerão, para que no futuro se transforme em um planeta universitário para estudo da rebelião de Lúcifer, como fazer para que isto não se repita mais em qualquer parte do universo dos universos.

Com muito amor a todos,

Julio.
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: amethyst on December 14, 2019, 05:28:29 pm
wow Julio
This is a very in great analysis and shows a lot of depth.  I especially like your conclusion when you say:  
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I ask in my prayers that the Deities, the deities, the heavenly beings seek a solution in the heavens for Michael of Nebadon and his heavenly beings sent for the spiritual recovery of the planet.

I ask you to allow our planet Urantia to continue to exist in the universe, even with the severe tectonic changes that will soon take place, so that in the future it will become a university planet for the study of Lucifer's rebellion, how to make sure that this does not happen again. anywhere in the universe of universes.

Some of my questions and concerns overlap yours.
I think most of these questions and comments might be unanswerable, but they are thoughts that have been rumbling around in my brain in the last 24 hours.  When we get a new round of expanded information, it always takes me a few days to process it.
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From Paper 21:
21:5.1 The power of a Master Michael is unlimited because derived from experienced association with the Paradise Trinity, is unquestioned because derived from actual experience as the very creatures subject to such authority. The nature of the sovereignty of a sevenfold Creator Son is supreme because it:
21:5.2             1. Embraces the sevenfold viewpoint of Paradise Deity.
21:5.3 (240.    2. Embodies a sevenfold attitude of time-space creatures.
21:5.4 (240.6) 3. Perfectly synthesizes Paradise attitude and creature viewpoint.
21:5.5 (240.7) This experiential sovereignty is thus all-inclusive of the divinity of God the Sevenfold culminating in the Supreme Being. And the personal sovereignty of a sevenfold Son is like the future sovereignty of the sometime-to-be-completed Supreme Being, embracing as it does the fullest possible content of the power and authority of the Paradise Trinity manifestable within the time-space limits concerned.

1.  We know that Michael met the requirements God the Sevenfold and the Supreme, because this was needed for him to be declared sovereign.  Was there any unusual tension between Michael and the Supreme?  If I had to guess, it started with the idea of the Federation.  Michael’s plans and the Supreme’s did not mesh.  But it was always my understanding that the Supreme was to collect, synthesize, and finally actualize experience, not to create it.
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Also from Paper 21:
21:5.6 With the achievement of supreme local universe sovereignty, there passes from a Michael Son the power and opportunity to create entirely new types of creature beings during the present universe age.

2.   We know Michael completely met all obligations to God the Sevenfold and the Supreme Being.  We know the Supreme in genetically tied to each of us, and we know that being sovereign Michael now has the ability “…to create entirely new types of creature beings…”  We also know that Urantia is very unique in many respects, including its biology.  Was there tension between the creature evolution plans of the Supreme and Michael’s ability to create entirely new types of creature beings?
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3.   What happens now to the ascenders who were currently experiencing the fourth stage of God the Sevenfold, the Supreme?  Are they just left dangling without any further growth possible at their level of advancement?
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From Paper 116:
116:7.6 (1276.7) Man’s urge for Paradise perfection, his striving for God-attainment, creates a genuine divinity tension in the living cosmos which can only be resolved by the evolution of an immortal soul; this is what happens in the experience of a single mortal creature. But when all creatures and all Creators in the grand universe likewise strive for God-attainment and divine perfection, there is built up a profound cosmic tension which can only find resolution in the sublime synthesis of almighty power with the spirit person of the evolving God of all creatures, the Supreme Being.

4.  Without the Supreme, how will the various universe levels find synthesis?   How will the lower levels of becoming be able to find cohesion and integration to ascend higher?  I thank God for our Adjusters as I think they will help with this, but what about non-Adjuster indwelt beings?
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5.  If the Supreme was so involved with our biology and lifeforms, it seems odd to me that this was not included as part of the original UB.  It seems like this is an important part that got left out.  It may have been mentioned briefly, but I cannot find it.  Can any of you?  I have been known to miss the obvious before.
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: White Stone on December 14, 2019, 08:29:41 pm
Greetings, forum members and guests,

After many days of contemplating the so-called "demise of the Supreme", I find it difficult to voice any personal opinion. I would, however, draw your attention to the following quote from The Urantia Book, reference 2.1.4:

"The Father constantly and unfailingly meets the need of the differential of demand for himself as it changes from time to time in various sections of his master universe. The great God knows and understands himself; he is infinitely self-conscious of all his primal attributes of perfection. God is not a cosmic accident; neither is he a universe experimenter. The Universe Sovereigns may engage in adventure; the Constellation Fathers may experiment; the system heads may practice; but the Universal Father sees the end from the beginning, and his divine plan and eternal purpose actually embrace and comprehend all the experiments and all the adventures of all his subordinates in every world, system, and constellation in every universe of his vast domins.
No thing is new to God, and no cosmic event ever comes as a surprise; he inhabits the circle of eternity. He is without beginning or end of days. To God there is no past, present, or future; all time is present at any given moment. He is the great and only I AM."




You would all do well to contemplate on this thought:  If there is no new thing to God, no past, present, or future, would He not know all things? Would this not include this escapade of whim, created in the mind of our administrator, supposedly Father-fused since December, 2014?


If, then, this were a true event, would it not have been told to us in our Urantia Book?  


I can tell you all one thing I am certain of:  Trying to explain this event, or the potential outcome of such a monumental change to our cosmology, will prove to be impossible. All attempts so far have failed.  Come to your own conclusions.


White Stone
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: roger krupa on December 14, 2019, 10:21:48 pm
Dear White Stone, I must agree with you that God knows all and is surprised by nothing; However, His children do not know all.  They must learn by experience and they do err from time to time.  If God were to reveal all then absolute perfection would be forced onto the universe and we would all be deprived of the experience of growth.  Hardship makes us stronger and humiliation makes us humble.  I have faith that all will turn out good in the end but I must still strive to right the wrongs I see and accept any constructive criticism that comes my way.  I would have it no other way.  Domtia.
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: White Stone on December 15, 2019, 02:03:56 am
Hello, Roger Krupa,


Thank you for your response to my post. I agree with you, that we must "strive to right the wrongs we see" and that we learn by our experience. However, the inference to God's children not knowing all, I hope was referring to us mortals here and not The Supreme Being, who does grow in experience of all of creation. He may evolve and change as time passes, yet His purpose cannot, whatsoever, be considered "childlike" in any manner.


Look again at these following UB quotes regarding the origin of The Supreme Being:



22.7.11 The Supreme Being is the unification of three phases of Deity reality: God the Supreme, the spiritual unification of certain finite aspects of the Paradise Trinity; the Almighty Supreme, the power unification of the grand universe Creators; and the Supreme Mind, the individual contribution of the Third Source and Center and his co-ordinates to the reality of the Supreme Being.


56.6.2 The personality realities of the Supreme Being come forth from the Paradise Deities and on the pilot world of the outer Havona circuit unify with the power prerogatives of the Almighty Supreme coming up from the Creator divinities of the grand universe. God the Supreme as a person existed in Havona before the creation of the seven superuniverses, but he functioned only on spiritual levels. The evolution of the Almighty power of Supremacy by diverse divinity synthesis in the evolving universes eventuated in a new power presence of Deity which co-ordinated with the spiritual person of the Supreme in Havona by means of the Supreme Mind, which concomitantly translated from the potential resident in the infinite mind of the Infinite Spirit to the active functional mind of the Supreme Being. (bold red type my own emphasis)


This is only my point of view, Roger, and I'm a long way from perfect, my friend. I am a member here to express my understanding of the Urantia Book, with the augmentation made by my TA since 1959. Fifteen years later, in 1974, I read the UB for the first time, and had a personal validation from my Thought Adjuster, of his presence since I was seven years old.




White Stone 
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: Ron Besser on December 15, 2019, 04:13:05 am
Here is one to play with White Stone.

The Deity Absolute must perform the vice checking of all unusual changes in the Master Universe.  The Deity Absolute resides on the Circle of Infinity, and is really the Chief Counsel to the Universe Father.  That Father frequently calls upon the DEITY ABSOLUTE to do something called: COMPOSSIBILITY.  The word is used once in the Urantia Book, but it is one interesting word to take note of.

COMPOSSIBILITY is the act of back checking every action taken since the I AM established the prognosis of what constitutes reality.  They use their minds to know all that, but we in time would make an infinite list with some help from our existential checkers.  That list has no precedence on it for the Supreme Being to demolish the entire livery the Supreme Being stood for.  The Father asked the DEITY ABSOLUTE, also, to urn a check with THE CONSUMMATOR OF UNIVERSE DESTINY as to the view that Paradise had no resident Supreme ever on paradise, and therefore Paradise had no record of how the Supreme Being ran his affairs from  the fourth circuit of Havona, and earlier from the third circuit of Havona. 

That tells we philosophers who like to discuss there matters that there is no predestination, and there is no fully infinite knowledge base, when it comes to the actions of God in the time universes.

Think about this:  Where does the Supreme go when he is tired of working in time only?  He cannot stay with the Eternal Son, as the Eternal Son outranks him so high there is only humility the Supreme needs to show there, but the Supreme acts entirely without humility, and even that is subject to a compossibility check, as there is no precedence for any Deity learning to leave Paradise or Havona, to strike out on their own, and THEN PRESUPPOSE THE TRINITY NO LONGER HAS JURISDICTION OVER HIMSELF,

THE DEITY ABSOLUTE says this about his compossibility check:

"WE checked all Infinite patterns for past actions and found none ans no precedence exists anywhere in present of future infinity.  If that were the case there would be no run down of the Supreme into the places of the Local Universes he attacked and near killed Ron.  If that had happened we would have to lay out a new skein for Infinite Integration which Rayson layed out to Mantutia while completing the fifth epochal revelation.  I must say also that this transmitter thinks with me so well he lollygags while our English catches up, and he does not ever trial me but this time I see him look at the Father, and say, Father this is not really new to you, but the really big change is the Supreme has seen to you as being number 2 in time, and "that ain;t right!"

Ron here - I point this out to all of you,  I do not dispute Father foreknows, but he cannot know radical changes in sub absolute free will,  Father sees the end from the beginning, but does not foreknow the results of a multiple choice test taken by a sub absolute student, and that includes the Supreme as well as Ron.  What we really must do is to learn to understand that imperfection makes compossibility necessary to keep check on precedence and non precedence and to  take corrective action if necessary according to the system of administration required to do the correcting.

I now have something else to post in the next window too.  Thank you..

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Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: Ron Besser on December 15, 2019, 04:45:02 am
This MIGHT SHOCK YOU!

FATHER SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO RON: "No, and he will not get away with it, but we must be sure if we correct, we correct right.  Your friend White Stone is not inaccurate, and you do not call him that all, but you are pointing to the fact I  need advice when a precedent is set.  I also see we hit a snag typin that nad yhou stopped to see what it was. . . .   What was it? [Ron:  Father, I do not know unless it was Adjuster.]  FATHER: He detached briefly since you tend to hear what you want not, but that is you adjusting your temperament after a night of mice crawling over your curtain rod by help of the Supreme.  You will never live it down and it disgusts you no end and he knows that.   I also see you look at the clock and wonder what this day holds for you as you are not tired at 4am this morning to write this out.   We decry your difficulties, but the Supreme has stepped back with you as our digust with a mouse type you never saw before makes you wonder just what disgusting thing the Supreme will try.  He has never done that except to you and you are so fully put out you wonder if you can get through a week at all and you will and with my hep too.  You are deeply saddened this stuff happens and blind all the while as they fail more and more.

"As a result of this little noting, we are giving Rayson the full power to adjuster your environment as you feel more is coming and it may be the case but we need to clear the bod of its harm too and so on. Be assured that mouse is a goner as he is dizzy and hates the idea of that house ever again as you released it outside once you figure out it was ready to bite and he was ready to clay your face too as they are mean mince in Africa, not from South America, and it might be AIDS infested and it is.  Rayson indicates you are safe but hardly happy to ever note such rodens remind you of the flying squirrel as you not he had a stretch membrane underneath, and that should clue you they live in trees and not the ground and that was why the first one just sat and stared at you.  Goodness!  We see the entire matter has been cleared by Michael too!  He sees it hitting you in the face and biting you, but you cleared it before it could do that, and for some reason the other four introduced have gone missing too.  This is so unusual we wonder how he introduced them?

"The answer, RAYSON NOW SPEAKING, is through your attic window and nothing lasts there anyhow as it is cold and inhospitable to anything that lands there.  It needs no clean out yet but coming.  In any case the entire matter is lost to time not, but resides in the Ultimate for being undone quickly.  It must not show on Urantia history as ever happening."

  REPORT FROM THE DEITY ABSOLUTE
"i AM THE DEITY ABSOLUTE: I am sure the Supreme is pressing you badly Ron and you are just sick and tired of it,  We now know where those mice came from and the Supreme just shot himself in the foot.  He introduced five large African tree mice into your home tonight and it scared u out of your skin to suddenly see mice walk into your living room, sit on the rug before the TV an watch you eat.  You could not believe our eyes and he was big with a bushy tail and a fleshy attachment to his legs so he could fly tree to tree. You asked yourself if this was a sudden mutation>  Or was it a rat?  It is neither a moue or a rat but a lemur the Supreme favors to scare people, because they are at least six inches long and four inches high.  You set a mouse trap to see if you cold get one and it nearly bit you on your nose as you only stunned ti rather than kill it with the usual small Victory mouse trap as they call it and so hard to set you wonder how the thing really works.

"You are complaining very much now Ron and that lemur was infected with AIDS truly that is how viscous the Supreme has become.  You have no sign of the virus around you but be sure any droppings are cleaned up pronto with your Clorox cleaner.

"We think you need the text window too.  Go to it shortly.

"I am the DEITY ABSOLUTE  and I must remind all of you Ron has escaped once more a very serious threat of death he overcame by being very angry with an invasion of mice he never saw so big or even knew they were not squirrels as he first guessed they were baby grey squirrels.  They are truly gone now and that is enough to scare you badly as they were large and you could hear them running in the house and we think the attic is where they came down into your computer room while changing a hand held flash light set of batteries. 

"We tell you this Ron.  Stand down for a little while and try to lie down for awhile as your adrenalin is pumping and you never thought the Supreme could be this cruel.  that creature dies and disappears shortly.  I has a headache now and will just stop looking for shelter, stretch out, and die.

"We see the poison being prepared and a small prick into your right heel and it is going to grow not and that is no Supernaphim or Seraphim but a rat of a Midwayer we ant captured now.  Alvoring and Avalon now both see what is being done, and are afraid they never knew this could be done to a human but it is and it is viscious.  We take you down a peg or two Supreme.  You can no longer enter Urantia at all for any reason, and your work on Salvington is now removed.  Nebadon will now soon be free of your presence entirely, and it is up to Avalon, Alvoring, Wolvering, Senselon, Tintantium, and three others to decide this matter for themselves.   ALL HAVE VOTED TO REMOVE THE SUPREME ENTIRELY.

"Be assured Ron this set the table for you just right.  I do not know how anyone else could have handled this.  You are not alone knowing no one would believe you but we saw it and know it is quite real and your heartbeat is still way over normal right now as you picture mice running everywhere and having to call Orkin to clear the house of mice and rats as you heard them running all over the place for awhile.  We have decided this too, Ron.  That computer the Supreme caught a portion of a chip with a sting frequency.  it needs redone and that is expensive and it need not be done now as a Midwayer with a pair of eye glasses like yours soldered it back into place and you can turn it off now and reboot where you could not before.  

"I AM THE DEITY ABSOLUTE.  Due to waht happened in your home tonight Ron, we ascend you one step further up the chimney for Santa Claus to find you and then eat better tomorrow than all day Sunday.  It will begin to recede greatly as we must get you better done and out of range of the horror called the Supreme Being and t hat is ours to do at once.  You see a bit now and then better [yes] and we are sure it chases you out of the world of thought now and then as you can go looking for more and thank you very much for being cheerful through all  this and not hysterical as almost everybody else would be.  Be assured the AIDS issue is settled by fiat and that you are exceedingly grateful for all the way to Brisbane,

We cut this now and thank you.  Ron for MICHAEL OF NEBADON AND THE DEITY ABSOLUTE.  k"

end

Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: occerpa on December 15, 2019, 08:17:32 am
This divine game becomes increasingly exciting; I limit myself to enjoy such brilliant interventions like the latter from White Stone and especially the phenomenal publications of our administrator Ron Besser. And in the meantime, I continue to apply to each complex circumstance for the mortal mind, the statements of Sai Baba in order to keep myself in force in this wonderful forum of surprising revelations. And then I repeat: "Do not seek to be the one who knows best, seek to be the one who gives the most and then the beauty of divine love will transform your heart into a source of wisdom." So that without missing any of the extraordinary publications of each of the members, I strive as much as possible, to advance in the self-knowledge that according to Sai Baba's postulates is knowledge of God.
Being wise says Sai Baba, does not mean having accumulated data about everything created, nor knowing the laws of the Universe or the theories on which Science is based; neither is he who enunciates the principles of human behavior or who reveals some of the mysteries of the Cosmos. It is wise that he discovers the laws of his own soul, the one that deciphers the mystery of his identity, the one that reveals the mystery of his origin and then transforms his life forever based on these findings, then seeking the growth of Humanity. Thanks
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: Wenebojo on December 15, 2019, 12:34:26 pm
I agree with you Occerpa, it is indeed exciting these newer revelations. Still I am more interested in knowing that aspect of God indwelling within me where I stand, than God's love spread out through the universes of universes. There is no need for me to learn how to drive my Father's vehicle when my feet are still too young to even reach the gas peddles. Blessed are the curious though, for they shall be taught that which they ask for.
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: occerpa on December 15, 2019, 01:48:05 pm
Thanks Wenebojo; my case is that I assume the words of Sai Baba as a word of truth, of higher wisdom without tricks, so even though I admire knowledge as the adventure of man and even recognize the scholarship in the forum of a Clency and many more and the shine of an Amethyst, I do not torment myself if I am not able to understand the causes for which so many things have happened as the spiritual rebellion of the Supreme Being, for example, aware that we have to learn to walk before trying to run. Sai Baba himself says: "It will not be possible for you to understand my nature without first knowing yourself." In fact, knowing oneself is the secret of the perfect equation and magna synthesis. Thanks
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 15, 2019, 06:57:09 pm
... [...]...

THE DEITY ABSOLUTE says this about his compossibility check:

"WE checked all Infinite patterns for past actions and found none ans no precedence exists anywhere in present of future infinity.  If that were the case there would be no run down of the Supreme into the places of the Local Universes he attacked and near killed Ron.  If that had happened we would have to lay out a new skein for Infinite Integration which Rayson layed out to Mantutia while completing the fifth epochal revelation.  I must say also that this transmitter thinks with me so well he lollygags while our English catches up, and he does not ever trial me but this time I see him look at the Father, and say, Father this is not really new to you, but the really big change is the Supreme has seen to you as being number 2 in time, and "that ain;t right!"
...[...]...
END



I highlighted the part above the revelation which I transcribe to verify that I really understood:

In the message I understood that the Supreme Being was seeing God, the Universal Father as the second in the hierarchy (being Him, the Supreme Being, the first in the hierarchy in the Great Universe), and I also agree that this is not right.

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Continuing, the comments based on the above statement ....

The moment He realized this, and originating from the Paradise Trinity, the Supreme Being decided to die out, for He knew that He was wrong at this stage in the history of the universe of universes.

In my view, if the Supreme Being who is with God, the Eternal Son (as per previous messages from the Serara Forum), is to be reactivated in the future, perhaps it is best if this happens when the Seven Superuniverses (evolving from imperfection to perfection) are totally in or near the Age of Light and Life. Thus, the synthesis made by God the Supreme will reflect the positive experience of superuniverses in the Age of Light and Life.

Yes, God, the Universal Father is the foremost of everything in the entire universe of universes and should always be first in any hierarchy anywhere in the master universe.


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Finally, I report that I received a message in my mind a few days ago, however, not knowing the origin, in the sense that the Supreme Being refused to obey God, the Universal Father. He even looked like the Supreme Being himself, saying that "he would not obey God, the Universal Father." Maybe this is a reflection of my mind (and it may be wrong). In any case, if this is true, perhaps it was because of the immaturity of the grand universe in the present phase of the history of the master universe, which reflected in the Supreme Being who synthesizes the experiences.

Again, because it is a very strong message, I point out that I apologize in advance if I am wrong in this interpretation of mine, in addition to the previous messages, confirming my deep respect for God, the Universal Father; God, Eternal Son; God, the Infinite Spirit, finally to all Deities, divinities, and heavenly beings who walk in the light of God the Father.





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Eu destaquei a parte acima da revelação a qual transcrevo para verificar se realmente eu entendi:

Na mensagem eu entendi, que o Ser Supremo estava vendo Deus, Pai Universal como o segundo na hierarquia (sendo ele, o Ser Supremo, o primeiro na hierarquia no Grande Universo), e eu também concordo que isto não está certo.

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Continuando, os comentários com base na afirmativa acima....

No momento em que percebeu isto, e tendo origem na Trindade do Paraíso, o Ser Supremo resolveu se extinguir, pois sabia que estava errado, nesta etapa da história do universo dos universos.

Em minha visão, se o Ser Supremo que está com Deus, Filho Eterno (conforme mensagens anteriores do Fórum Serara), for reativado no futuro, talvez, o melhor é que isto aconteça, se for acontecer, quando os Sete Superuniversos (que evoluem da imperfeição para a perfeição) estiverem totalmente na Era da Luz e da Vida, ou próximo disto. Assim, a síntese feita por Deus, o Supremo irá refletir a experiência positiva dos superuniversos na Era da Luz e de Vida.

Sim, Deus, Pai Universal é o principal de tudo, em todo o universo dos universos e sempre deverá estar em primeiro lugar em qualquer hierarquia em qualquer lugar no universo mestre.


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Por fim, eu relato que eu recebi uma mensagem em minha mente, há poucos dias, no entanto, não sabendo a origem, no sentido de que o Ser Supremo se recusava a obedecer a Deus, Pai Universal. Até parecia o próprio Ser Supremo, dizendo que "não iria obedecer Deus, Pai Universal".  Talvez isto seja uma reflexão de minha mente (e que pode estar errada). Seja como for, se isto for verdade, talvez isto tenha acontecido pela imaturidade do grande universo, na atual fase da história do universo mestre, o que refletia no Ser Supremo que faz a síntese das experiências.  

Novamente, por ser uma mensagem muito forte, eu ressalto que eu peço desculpas antecipadas se eu estiver errado nesta minha interpretação, de forma complementar as mensagens anteriores, confirmando meu profundo respeito a Deus, Pai Universal; Deus, Filho Eterno; Deus, Espírito Infinito, enfim a todas Deidades, divindades e seres celestiais que caminham na luz de Deus, Pai.
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: 7inOcean on December 15, 2019, 07:25:17 pm
Here is my two cents worth of a dumb ass mind I seem to have on this whole discussion so far:  I am lost in all of this discussion concerning the Supreme. I prefer to wait for the SER to be fully educated on this and on the Lucifer Rebellion without the ongoing saga of personal attacks on individuals(e.g. Ron Besser, Amethyst etc)  that is stated by our administrator that seems to cloud our judgements. Bottom line is: What does Michael of Nebadon wish to do about the SER and about Mission plans on Urantia? I personally feel it is vital to have a visible divine mission on the planet and have education solely from the Melchizedek brothers and Adam and Eve rather than having one human individual plant so much trial and body problems we could do without and get schooling from the Melchizedeks instead. I feel Ron is under too much weather to say anything that is helpful to us humans who require a way forward than all this backwater washing over us. If this negativity keeps going, then it will certainly lose us with interest in this entire affair of what the Urantia Book set out to do in the first place. Don’t get me wrong, Ron you have been great in your views, but to be honest, we need to be properly educated by the Melchizedeks and other higher beings/teachers who know far more and are certified to teach us what to think and do to go forward in the Father’s plans regardless of what has happened to a deity that blows itself up. Do I care about it or should I care about it? Right now, I really don’t give a rat’s ear anyhow because it seems to not affect me right now, but how does this affect our eternal adventure, remains to be seen, and I feel it will be sorted out by the time it matters anyways!! 


I am feeling increasingly remote the moment the discussion of the Supreme becomes so contradictory it seems fruitless for me to think on it until I can get a better grasp on what the heck it is all about. This is my state of mind and reaction at this point in time. I get exasperated when it goes haywire about experiential deity that seems to be so way over our heads and pay grade to worry about it. This is a headache for someone higher up in the chain of command, we are just animals evolving and caught up in the evolutionary biological maelstrom that we are innocent bystanders in this fiasco. Not my cup of tea, it is too bitter to swallow thanks. Let us not worry and be happy, oh yeah, that seems to be a logical step to take and I feel like a small pea in the soup and don’t care about the big stir that seems to just swirl all around us. So what!!??? What happens when God is still God and we are still his effing creatures???? I am still a small pea in his soup!  We are still here, alive and kicking, and nothing seems to change.


Unless the Magisterial Sons become visible, the SER becomes visible and us humans become new students of learning, then we will have a new day to dance and be happy about. For now it is so depressing to keep getting hit by such a negative energy that seems to sap the life out of us. I seem to go around in circles and am not sure where life is going. All I know to keep sane is to take one day at a time. Period. May the Father’s will be done whatever that will be. And hopefully we will see a light at the end of this effing tunnel! What a tunnel it is right now! Am I annoyed? Yes. Am I cranky? Yes. Am I totally fed up with the “ISOLATION”  course so far? Yes. Am I expecting something to crack big time? Yes. Should we be afraid? No. Why? Because we have learned from the FER the ropes of our universal life with the Father. That gives us HOPE.


Last night, I watched a documentary of the Catastrophe of World War 2 and the real live footage of war images placed in color with the story told left me in a state of horror as it appeared so real as if it were in another time and planet but it tragically happened only just in the last century. It looked like hell and a world that should have ended right there but no, it is still going and has it got any better, I don’t think so now that it is at a tipping point of global climate change and geologic instability rapidly increasing pressure on the tectonic plates to such a level it will soon be the case to state the obvious:“It is too late to leave! Take shelter now!” That is now at a crossroads in our human history on this planet. Time is now of the essence. In some ways we really need the Supreme to wrap this up. And it looks that way with all this discussion. My question is this: Maybe the Supreme does have a point to make and we are too biased to see it. Does this not make the Supreme a more useful tool in the Father’s workshop when it comes to the disasters in time?


Again, I can’t think well at all about the proper analysis of the subject of the Supreme. I just feel like we have all failed in with the Supreme as well. Do we all go down the tube too? How does the Father resurrect us when we still have a residual Supreme lurking? Again I find this becomes so contradictory and it seems ridiculously illogical the more we pursue this line of discussion. I think I will leave it there, time out, let the Gods handle this.

Sue/7inOcean
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 15, 2019, 07:43:14 pm
Thank you Sue (7inocean) for your outburst, as I very much agree with your words.

The question of the Supreme Being must be resolved by the Paradise Trinity, primarily by God the Universal Father.

Perhaps one of the solutions to the problems of God's the Supreme absence, is our Thought Adjuster, which may have an expanded function. These are just thoughts, just a personal opinion, for surely various options are being evaluated by the deities, divinities, and heavenly beings who walk in the light of God the Father.

Our problems on our planet Urantia are mainly due to the absence of a visible representative of God, as is usually the case in most of the evolutionary planets of time and space.

In this way, I agree that the Sixth Revelation of the Age, the new Urantia Book, which will have major updates from the Serara Forum, as well as the need for visible representatives of God, such as Melchizedek and the return of Adam and Eve with their schools, is important. education.


Post Scriptum:

Just to complement, in addition to the physical presence of Melchizedek and the return of Adam and Eve, too, the visible presence of the Magisterial Son or Magisterial Sons, and the planetary prince, if they happen, is also welcome.



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Obrigado Sue (7inocean) por seu desabafo, pois eu concordo e muito com suas palavras.

A questão do Ser Supremo deve ser resolvida pela Trindade do Paraíso, principalmente, por Deus, Pai Universal.

Talvez, uma das soluções para os problemas da ausência de Deus, o Supremo, seja o nosso Ajustador do Pensamento que poderá ter uma função ampliada. Isto são só pensamentos, apenas uma opinião pessoal, pois, com certeza, várias opções estão sendo avaliadas pelas deidades, divindades e seres celestiais que caminham na luz de Deus, Pai.

Nossos problemas, em nosso planeta Urantia, se deve, principalmente, pela ausência de um representante visível de Deus, o que ocorre, via de regra, na grande maioria dos planetas evolucionários do tempo e do espaço.

Desta forma, concordo que é importante tanto a Sexta Revelação da Época,  o novo Livro de Urantia, que irá ter as principais atualizações do Fórum Serara quanto a necessidade de representantes visíveis de Deus, como Melquisedeques e o retorno de Adão e Eva com suas escolas de ensino.

Post Scriptum:

Apenas para complementar, além da presença física de Melquisedeques e do retorno de Adão e Eva, também, a presença visível de Filho Magisterial ou Filhos Magisteriais, e do príncipe planetário, se acontecerem, também é bem-vinda.

Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: Ron Besser on December 15, 2019, 09:08:24 pm
Sue, again, you say you do not get it!


SUE says

I am feeling increasingly remote the moment the discussion of the Supreme becomes so contradictory it seems fruitless for me to think on it until I can get a better grasp on what the heck it is all about. This is my state of mind and reaction at this point in time. I get exasperated when it goes haywire about experiential deity that seems to be so way over our heads and pay grade to worry about it.



Ron here: Sue, your post is full of the red words.  Most members have come to terms with it.  You have read the Urantia Book several times.  What did you get from it?


Essentially that is the problem in my purview and it is not lack of understanding but the rise of your own fundamentalism.


When that happens there is no argument from the inner self to obtain the basic line of reasoning that counters what happened two thousand years ago which in some ways it does.


You have a first rate mind, but it is in mischief again over issues of State within your own psychosis about the events that are, frankly, of the nature of Frankenstein mercy ministry our horror films we as a culture see little redemption in what is left of Christian ideals today.



My personal view is you do understand it or you would not be complaining in this fashion which when compacted says "this is so bad I want somebody else to explain it to me."  That is a born again student and not a reader of the fifth epoch revelation that he or she has entered the vestibule of cosmic reality and cannot breathe.



Treat yourself well Sue, and by that I mean, accept you do not comprehend that which goes against your ideals of a woman who feels left back because she dislikes what is dished out as she tried to compromise to get back what she feels she lost.  Frankly I feel that a lot too, but I do not blame my brain for misleading me to the point I say it is confusing me THAT much.   You have to allow yourself to breathe normally and get away from panic over things that loom over all of us in the world together.  Continue to read and appreciate it all that which you can participate in and wonder very little about anymore.  That will help you draw back to a normal kind of worry.


I am not that concerned from a teachers point about what is going on with Sue the student, as I have seen perfectly good students like you fake conflict over something truly knocks the legs out from under their favorite beliefs.  The only think a teacher can do is to let it wind down and wait for renewal in the student;s mind to have interest in settling the conflict in themselves their way.

These things are stated to help you look at your negative attitude over being taught something you hardly see any reason to have happened.  You are not alone, except most of us do not blame ourselves like you do and the need for better teachers.  Perhaps true, but we are not doing badly with what we got.

RON











Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: amethyst on December 15, 2019, 10:49:13 pm
The way I have come to view this is to look at the bigger picture.  Sure Urantia is in dire straits, and we would all love to see the SER drop in our laps tomorrow.  But this tragedy with the Supreme affects a very large swath of the time and space creation.  Our Divine Parents and many, many celestials have more than their hands full right now that requires their attention in other places.  Urantia, as much as she needs help desperately, is but a tiny speck in the larger picture of destruction that the Supreme has caused.  
We do not understand a lot of what is happening and Urantia will surely get the help she needs, but we are not privy to the needs of the rest of the Nebadon, the Federation, Orvonton, and beyond.  We humans are so used to seeing things on our concepts of time, which are not in sync with the whole.
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: 7inOcean on December 15, 2019, 11:12:15 pm
Okay thank you Ron and Amethyst and Julio for your comments. I apologize for my lack of concentration. I just seem to have let the beans spill and not bothered to study properly. I put this down to exhaustion from work and little time to appreciate things and let those things that bother me put aside and not worry over my life and situation as difficult to live with as it is. I need to take a breather and breathe......you are correct in that one Ron and I thank you for taking the  time to get me back into shape. I get out of wank at times with myself and need to keep the focus and not let things consume me and depress me. I will aim to sit down and study this thread with a clear head and let those little demons go away that seem to distract me. Thank you. Sue.
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: Ron Besser on December 15, 2019, 11:22:36 pm
You are a brave girl Sue.  May I suggest you get your hands involved with this?  I mean hands and using them I really do.  The hands have a direct mental connection to those areas of mind which run the sacroiliac area of the brain, and that is where you  think at best.  Do this if you want to sit down and list in a list on paper writing it down:
What did the Supreme do?  Write that question down and do not fill in the blank behind the paper of  this email you print out.  What did the Supreme Being do that got the Supreme yelled at?

Who is yelling at the Supreme?  Name at least three officials.

Where did the Supreme go when he got shot at by the officials who did not want him around?  Name one place or one official or both if you can.

Why did the Supreme Being go bonkers with Ron?  Explain that to Ron, okay?  You can skip this one is you want to.

Where did the Supreme get the idea he was to work in the first Outer Space Level One>  Explain in just a few sentences.  Use your hands and write it all of this down above.  Your hands can make you feel quite refresehd and less confused really.  give it a try.  Good day.  RON.




Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: weydevu on December 17, 2019, 11:23:31 am
@SUE My dear 7of Ocean you crack me up I admire how you express yourself whether it's right or wrong. You rant and rave and say things that other people may be thinking but can't express it like you. And after it's all said and done and you've gotten everything off your chest and a little encouragement from Ron and others you're back to your natural self.  I like what you transmit and that includes everyone. It reminds me what Ron told you 'You're like a little dot in a ocean of big dots' now that's funny. Keep up the good work we need you.

Domtia

weydevu
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: 7inOcean on December 17, 2019, 01:44:01 pm
Thank you Weydevu for your kind words. I will try not to scowl but take the time to fathom why the Supreme did what it did. I attempted to answer the questions Ron gave me and wound up with realising it is more complex than I thought. Those other entities mentioned really seem to have upset the Supreme as it had something to do with power synthesising and perhaps made it more problematic for the Supreme in his work as explained in the above Bulletin 9. Even though in past accounts he has managed to upset Ron, Michael of Nebadon and a number of others to the point to make them flee Salvington. I gather the Supreme fled to the Havona circuits and there it decided to implode and take with it  those Entities with him. I feel that the Eternal Son is the one who has to find a way around the loss of the Supreme and therefore the Paradise Trinity to make amends. It all sounds like a lot of power sharing going on and the Supreme carries some of this too. I am going to work shortly and will need to study this further as  I feel there is way more in this that may not be fully relayed to us at this point. I appreciate the Bulletin 9 as to the function of the Supreme and why it remains a residual entity in our biological makeup. Those evolutionary traits do run and make so much of who and what we are now in our evolution as a species and that makes a lot of sense. Now that the  Supreme is hugely missing, it remains to be known how we continue in evolution. With the Father fragments as our guide, does this now make it a Father guided evolution instead?
Thank you Ron for making me sit down and take the lesson and figure out what happened. I still think we need a huge fat book on this subject alone. I appreciate the Bulletins and the surprising information coming through them for us to take in as so much is said in them that we tend to glance over them how significant such influence they really present. I awoke early this morning and decided to take the time to write this before I go to work and I  hope to get back on the horse to transmit and stop worrying and scowling. Cheers everyone!

Sue/7inOcean
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: Ron Besser on December 17, 2019, 02:25:06 pm
Ron here.  At the risk of over doing some of this that harms understanding of what is an unmitigated disaster, Sue, you take it right and have doubled your understanding.  I asked the Supreme Being who is strongly around me this morning, what is he doing that must be so harshly addressed to all of we humans now alive on Urantia?

You correctly assign that the Supreme has appealed to the Eternal Son, and that the Eternal Son has given him the sanction of the Life Church to rest in, while the rest of the Universe, (and I capitalize Universe because we are now directly referencing the FATHER in this too), does not abide what the Supreme has done.

I do not abide what the Supreme has done, yet the Supreme received the Life Church sanctuary and I get hit with the intention to murder me out of the way.  They will have to murder me to shut me up though and there is no truce between us today either as they placed a wide open safety pin in the elastic waistband of my pajamas this morning and set it so I ripped the flesh on my hands if I adjuster the waist band which I did and I got cut good a proper,  You can imagine how shocked I was to find the open safety pin entangles in that elastic and I had to cur the waistband with shears to get the weapon out.  I had to throw away a perfectly good garment too and am glad to be rid of the entire episode. 

We are now dealing, on URANTIA proper, an invasion of the evil one from afar,  I am being dictated to on this subject as I have a total failure of any understanding what is being forced on Urantia, and against all I hold to be good and true about God, and that is not me but my Adjuster saying, "go easy Ron, this is ugly stuff happening today," and I am forced not to guess but ask and it is so dictated now,  I change voices now and here is MICHAEL OF NEBADON to take this on for all to see if you can at all see it:


MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "Rib got a good slice on his inner thumb on his right hand when he hit the open safety pin so opened to speak anything that touched it and he adjusted his waistband and it hit.  Be assured this is quite real and Ron handles what he can, but just cannot fathom spirit beings who hate humanity so bad theywant to remove anything in it that gets in their voice to convince humans there is no God of Good ever.  That is their way of dealing with you too Sue, and Amethyst, and Lemuel and even Clency and a few others of you including Weydevu.  Worse yet, most of you cannot fathom well what Ron is telling you in this Bulletins.  He is shutting them down now so he can get some peace, but the truth of the matter is that Bulletin 9 is a little masterpiece that can be used for decades now to understand just why the devil is let to run Urantia not, but attempting to force MICHAEL OF NEBADON into outright privilege to scan past Urantia and fix it good with decimation.  I cannot be forced to do so, and Ron stands with me and all who believe the Father is preeminently done on Urantia and not God the Supreme on Urantia.

"Forcing this issue hard is Ron.  He has no real reason to do anything but be himself and that drives the Supreme crazy!  We stand with Ron and wonder how he copes without any help and still forces the Supreme to evade the truth, and that is that URANTIA has no place for the Supreme ever!  Trump assassinates normal life on Urantia all the time.  Trump leaves the world of goodness alone in order to trample the ideals of the Fatherhood of man to replace such with the origination of life with the Supreme-hood of man, and as Ron says, "it just will not , cannot work!"  That is the fight Sue, and you are in it too.

"I am Michael of Nebadon--  I too cannot work it this way but I am lucky enough to be too big of a fish for  the Supreme to take me out with murder.  The Supreme takes me out, he hopes, by forcing Salvington, to become an empty place of my residence and I will not lie down long enough for that devil to get loose again on Salvington or into the Federation ever again.   Ron hits the dirt so often there is nothing he can do anymore but say, "you will not win, you will never win!"

"I close with this to you Sue.  You are too lighthearted to really understand what Ron really does, and that the entire matter of our life ascension plans are questioned by, not the Father, but by the Luciferian strain the Supreme has picked up, and even Ron shakes his head at that as he writes this, and we must close in order to prevent much more to happen to anyone today.  Good day."

END

Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 18, 2019, 09:42:28 am
To all

As I understand it, God the Supreme is inactive and is with God, Eternal Son.

So who is responsible for any attacks on Michael de Nebadon's team?

In my view, they may be heavenly beings who were subordinate to God, Supreme.

Only now, there is a new reality.

The new reality, in my view, is an important reflection for the entire master universe, in that nowhere in the master universe should there be any deity, divinity, celestial being, or personality above God, the Universal Father of All.



Yes, in my view, and I may be wrong, God the Supreme believed it to be number 1 in the Great Universe when this function is of God, Universal Father of all.



Being number 1, in my view, was what Lucifer wanted to be in our system.


Now, I ask all personalities and especially heavenly beings who are in doubt in their actions, to somehow seek to connect with God, the Universal Father, for example, by worshiping God the Father.

The answers to the path of light to follow will come to each personality at the right time.

I also feel that we are in dangerous times. But these moments are important in defining our loyalty to God the Father.



My refuge and protection from danger is in God, the Universal Father of all to whom I dedicate all my life and my love, always trusting in the wisdom and love of God the Father.

As strong as this statement is, I believe this message should be a reflection for everyone.

If this message reaches the heavens, I ask that the personalities in the heavens and on earth (on our planet) and especially the various celestial beings who are in doubt about their actions, reflect and seek answers in some way, for example. through setting aside moments for worship in God, Universal Father of All. Now is the time, to return the light of God, to any personalities who are acting wrong at the present time. For this the important thing is positive moral decision making in the light of God.

In this case, for us ascending humans of time and space we can count on the help of seraphim guardians of destiny to help maintain the positive moral decision that each one needs for their own evolution and spiritual improvement.

Finally, I feel that we are in a watershed moment, a turning point for everyone.

I ask again, in my prayers, that opportunity be given to our planet Earth, known in the universes of the universes as planet Urantia, to survive and to continue, even with the movement of tectonic plates with the modification of the geographic poles, which will happen soon, and which is a natural geological event of many evolutionary planets of time and space in order to become, in the future, a university planet for the study of Lucifer's rebellion so that all this evil is not repeated anywhere in the master universe. .

The main evil of Lucifer's rebellion, in my view, is that Lucifer thought he was greater than God, the universal Father of all. Many personalities have followed the same error, thinking themselves greater than God the Father. Many have already been condemned and extinguished because of rebellion against God the Father through judgment of the Ancients of Days. I feel the same is happening now, a rebellion is happening against God the Universal Father when personalities and heavenly beings do not obey God the Father. This is a strong phrase. But many personalities did not realize this.



I hope everything returns to normal, especially in the heavens. Let heavenly beings and personalities submit to God, the Universal Father, and if that means they must change their attitudes, change their attitudes in favor of God the Father.



In all, the chief meaning of eternity, for beings and personalities to walk in the light of God, is to do the will of God, the Universal Father of all.


With much love to all,

Julio



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A todos

Pelo que eu entendi, Deus o Supremo está inativo e está com Deus, Filho Eterno.

Então, quem é responsável por eventuais ataques à equipe de Michael de Nebadon?

Em minha visão, podem serem seres celestiais que eram subordinados a Deus, Supremo.

Só que agora, existe uma nova realidade.

A nova realidade, em minha visão, é um reflexo importante para todo o universo mestre, no sentido de que, em nenhum lugar do universo mestre deverá ter qualquer deidade, divindade, ser celestial ou personalidade acima de Deus, Pai Universal de Todos.



Sim, na minha visão, e eu posso estar errado, Deus, o Supremo acreditava que era o número 1 do Grande Universo, quando esta função é de Deus, Pai Universal de todos.



Ser o número 1, em minha visão, era o que Lúcifer queria ser em nosso sistema.

Agora, eu peço a todos as personalidades e principalmente os seres celestiais que estiverem em dúvida em suas ações, busque, de alguma forma, se conectarem com Deus, Pai Universal, por exemplo, através da adoração a Deus, Pai.

As respostas para o caminho de luz a seguir irão vir para cada personalidade, no tempo certo.

Eu também sinto que estamos em momentos perigosos. Mas estes momentos são importantes para definirmos nossa lealdade a Deus, Pai.



Meu refúgio e proteção contra os perigos está em Deus, Pai Universal de todos a qual eu dedico toda minha vida e meu amor, confiando sempre na sabedoria e no amor de Deus, Pai.

Por mais forte que seja esta afirmação, eu acredito que esta mensagem deve servir de reflexão para todos.

Se esta mensagem chegar aos céus, peço que as personalidades nos céus e na terra (em nosso planeta) e, principalmente, os diversos seres celestiais que estejam em dúvida em relação as suas ações, reflitam e busquem respostas, de alguma forma, por exemplo, através de reservar momentos para adoração em Deus, Pai Universal de Todos. Agora é a hora, para retornar a luz de Deus, para eventuais personalidades que estão agindo de forma errada no presente momento. Para isto o importante é a tomada de decisão moral positiva na luz de Deus.

No caso, para nós seres humanos ascendentes do tempo e do espaço podemos contar com a ajuda de serafins guardiões do destino para ajudar a manter a decisão moral positiva que cada um precisa para sua própria evolução e aperfeiçoamento espiritual.

Por fim, eu sinto que estamos em um momento de divisor de águas, ou seja, um momento decisivo para todos.

Peço, novamente, em minhas orações que seja dado oportunidade para nosso planeta Terra, conhecida no universos dos universos como planeta Urantia possa sobreviver e continuar, mesmo com a movimentação das placas tectônicas com a modificação dos pólos geográficos, que irá acontecer em breve, e que é um evento geológico natural de muitos planetas evolucionários do tempo e do espaço, a fim de que se transforme, no futuro, um planeta universitário para estudo da rebelião de Lúcifer para que todo este mal não se repita em qualquer parte do universo-mestre.

O principal mal da rebelião de Lúcifer, em minha visão, é Lúcifer ter achado que era maior que Deus, Pai universal de todos.  Muitas personalidades seguiram o mesmo erro, se achando maior que Deus, Pai. Muitos já foram condenados e extintos por causa da rebelião contra Deus, Pai através de julgamento dos Anciões dos Dias. Eu sinto que o mesmo está acontecendo agora, uma rebelião está acontecendo contra Deus,  Pai Universal quando personalidades e seres celestiais não obedecem a Deus, Pai. Esta frase é forte. Só que muitas personalidades não perceberam isto.



Eu espero que tudo volte a normalidade, principalmente, nos céus. Que os seres celestiais e personalidades se submetam a Deus, Pai Universal e se isto significar que devem mudar de atitudes, que mudem de atitudes em favor de Deus, Pai.



Em tudo, o principal sentido da eternidade, para os seres e personalidades caminharem na luz de Deus, é que seja feita a vontade de Deus, Pai Universal de todos.

Com muito amor a todos,

Julio
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: Ron Besser on December 18, 2019, 10:59:12 am
Julio, let me set the status on Urantia to you a little better than the news you head awhile ago.

Urantia is under siege.  That is our earth.  What has happened is only in the last 24 to 36 hours and no wonder you cannot recite it fully.

We now entertain a fully debased planetary government gain.  Machiventa Melchizedek left the planet two days ago and refuses to attend the plenipotentiary session to reform the Urantia spirit government.  Those in attendance were no Salvington leaders, but only those districted from an obscure planet in orbit around Uversa.  This is the planet that Serena was from and the 10 others like here.  Serena was banned from any further use of any of her powers on Urantia as she did commit murder on Urantia and we let that stand for now.

Her presence here was fully denied and she sits in escrow on the prison worlds until there is a decision what to call her intervention, or an attempted intervention, on Urantia.  Her life is a shambles since she was dismissed from Urantia as she did care for the world and its students.  However it is no longer feasible to enterain that group from Uversa, and I, for one, have banned her use of my mind to persuade others of facts that do not exist.  For that reason, and until there is something to ban these duplicate and negative input of voice and actions, I no longer intend to issue Bulletins or Flurry until things are reinstated on Urantia.

For that reason I say to you Julio, you seldom transmit, but when you do be sure tp ask  the voice on the other end who they say they are.  If they stutter and avoid saying yes, politely decline further contact.  If It cannot be verified then it is a voice over and just drop them right there and then.  I, like you,  refuse to repeat their lies.

This is intended to be a temporary measure.  Michael is on our planet.  So is Gabreil and so is the Trinity Teacher Son, Margul, as he is of record to serve Urantia when he is authorized to being light and life for us in future.  DO NOT PANIC AND PLEASE USE YOUR HEAD AS IF YOU DO MICHAEL GUIDES YOU OUT WITH THE TRUTH.

END
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: amethyst on December 18, 2019, 04:31:59 pm
Oh--I do, along with the rest here, get very discouraged.  It seems for every step forward, there are two or three backwards.  I am so glad that Michael, Gabriel, and Margul are here for now.  It is hard not to get discouraged, and yet it is so important that we don't let it get us down too much.  I think that is why Van contacted us recently, and I feel he is going to continue to attempt to transmit through us.  We can take some solace in his example, as he is such a dedicated being.  

 This news about Serena is particularly upsetting as she has been such a solid one in recent years, but it may turn out that she was trying to intervene on behalf of God's children.  We simply do not know, and I am quite on edge about receiving transmissions in the short term. 
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: occerpa on December 18, 2019, 05:19:42 pm
How I would like to contribute ideas that could serve so that we could all have an existence without extreme suffering as it usually happens and is perceived in this same group. I would say for an imperfect faith but it is not all naturally. I take refuge in certain statements that I have heard in the teachings of the Avatar of the New Age, Sathya Sai Baba. One and the most essential is that "Everything is God, that there is nothing outside of God; there is no other, there is no second. This is the highest truth that should be accepted by all." The following is: "Man! watch the divine game of Sathya Sai and know yourself." Another one: "The dead man does not die or the murderer kills", and one last (for now), "In the end you will not be able to know about me (God) if you do not know yourself first." What I want to emphasize, without thinking that I try to converse on anyone, is that it is not possible, nor necessary as a matter to advance on this spiritual path, to understand why so many strange things happen up there; What is necessary to be clear without a doubt is the purpose of our existence: why and what are we here for. Thanks
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: Ron Besser on December 18, 2019, 07:19:43 pm
You speak beautifully, Occerpa.  You speak to the fundamental truth I am standing beside you with facing OUR God.  In HIM all things consist.  In US all thing exist.  You say that over and over and those are my words for your heart and soul.  How beautifully you speak to me on this.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: occerpa on December 18, 2019, 08:00:14 pm
Thank you very much Ron; When such a pronouncement comes from you, we must feel supremely honored.
Title: Re: Bulletin 9 - What Is the Supreme Being and Evolution
Post by: JuliodaLuz on December 18, 2019, 08:53:06 pm
Julio, let me set the status on Urantia to you a little better than the news you head awhile ago.

Urantia is under siege.  That is our earth.  What has happened is only in the last 24 to 36 hours and no wonder you cannot recite it fully.
... [...]... 

This is intended to be a temporary measure.  Michael is on our planet.  So is Gabreil and so is the Trinity Teacher Son, Margul, as he is of record to serve Urantia when he is authorized to being light and life for us in future.  DO NOT PANIC AND PLEASE USE YOUR HEAD AS IF YOU DO MICHAEL GUIDES YOU OUT WITH THE TRUTH.

END

Ron, thanks for the recent information. I felt something was wrong, so I wrote a lot in the last few days. Yes, my refuge and my fortress is in God, the Universal Father. One day all this trouble we are going through will be gone. Julio

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Ron, obrigado pelas informações recentes. Eu senti que algo estava errado, por isto eu escrevi muito nos últimos dias. Sim, meu refúgio e minha fortaleza está em Deus, Pai Universal. Um dia toda esta dificuldade que estamos passando será passado. Julio.