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Threads for New Transmissions / Re: some info on future service
« on: March 07, 2018, 05:32:17 PM »
There's no question that alcohol damages the brain to some degree. There just isn't much current evidence to show that the cells die for the average person drinking a beer. I will say that it might be possible for some of those deaths to be slow, or happen earlier than usual because of the damage, but not fast enough for it to be recorded in a given experiment. As for the cell number, we'll just have to disagree, unless Michael is identifying a specific type of neuron that spirit might categorize different from scientists (or a group of neurons is being considered as a single cell for whatever reason). The definition of the brain cell might be different here, but there's no way the scientists are confusing millions with billions.

Threads for New Transmissions / Re: some info on future service
« on: March 06, 2018, 07:56:15 PM »
Ron, the estimated number of brain cells (neurons) in the average male is 100 billion, not million. There is also little to no evidence showing that alcohol kills the cells. Researchers at Washington University in St. Louis found that alcohol, even when applied directly to neurons, didn’t kill them. It just interfered with the way they transmit information. Specifically, the researchers showed that alcohol causes certain receptors on neurons to manufacture steroids that inhibit memory formation. Alcohol can also damage the dendrites, which are the branch-like ends of the brain cells. Dendrites are key for passing messages from one neuron to another, so a degradation of the dendrites can cause cognitive problems associated with drunkenness. Some alcoholics can experience neuron death as part of a brain disorder called Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome. In these cases, the evidence again suggests that the disease and cell death aren’t caused by the alcohol itself, but a B1 (or thiamine) deficiency and general malnutrition that often go hand in hand with alcoholism.


#1 - Shouldn't the population of Urantia be Billions instead of Millions?

And assuming an extra three zeroes are added, why so many? Human estimates were at 7.44 billion 2 years ago. It's going to be higher than that, but an extra 882,000,000 seems excessive.

General Discussion / Re: Restlessness and Discontent
« on: February 25, 2018, 07:43:27 PM »
Good to hear from you again, Michael. Hope all goes well out there.

General Discussion / Re: Football - A Religion or a Cult?
« on: January 23, 2018, 06:01:33 PM »
I find football quite enjoyable, especially when rooting for a team and getting emotionally involved. That being said, I've basically missed the whole season. I keep forgetting to watch it. :D

I understand your point, Julio, but this subject is more complex than you realize. First, a needed military response to some outside threat is time sensitive. The more people who are involved with the decision and have voting power, the longer it will take to act, and many could die as a result. There is a reason the president has a lot of power over the military, and he does receive counsel from others in the military to make a wise decision. Second, while hedging against the tyranny of one individual might be necessary, we have to do the same against the majority. Otherwise, 51% of the people could vote to kill the other 49%, or steal their things, etc. Voting for something or gaining public approval for it doesn't make the action moral. You're also forgetting that Hitler's national socialist party was democratically elected and gained a majority of the power in the Reichstag, leading to Hitler being granted the position of chancellor. He received a lot of support from the people, and both Hindenburg (the president) and the Reichstag (parliament) helped him out. A collective decision granted Hitler immense legislative power because he was the leader of the biggest political party and took advantage of current events.

All that being said, I have yet to see Trump state he will actually nuke North Korea. What he has done was threaten retaliation against them while trolling Kim Jong Un's twitter account in the process. What you have to understand is that we've been using an appeasement strategy with North Korea for decades that has never worked. We have indirectly funded their nuclear efforts by sending them humanitarian aide multiple times. The more we try to take care of their people, the more they can focus on weapons development. I'm not sure a direct confrontation is the right answer, but our old foreign policy doesn't seem to have helped much either. The biggest issue is probably getting China and Russia to stop helping them.

General Discussion / Re: A Different Perspective
« on: January 08, 2018, 04:25:09 PM »
This reminds me of the times we heard both pros and cons of Obama in transmissions. Always riles people up. The problem is that politics is largely about public opinion and bringing in the possible thoughts of a higher spiritual authority seems to flatten debate with objective fact that no one can really agree with or verify. Personally, I'm not sure I care at all how the celestials see Trump or any other president if they don't actively alter the course of humanity while he's in office. Their discourse on the presidency primarily attacks the man himself, who is intentionally divisive in what he does. You either love him or hate him. We don't really need help seeing his flaws since we're bombarded with opinions about him daily. It just doesn't add much.

If there is to be a political discussion, it won't be meaningful until we move away from people and discuss issues instead. This isn't a forum about party politics. It's about the MM and the realm of spirit as described in the UB. Since the UB covers so many facets of life, it's not that difficult to find a passage that references a social issue we still face today. However, that likely doesn't happen because we're already confronted with discussions like these in other places. The real problem as I see it is that most of the long-term members aren't curious about anything new. Most desired discussions have already happened, and we're discouraged from making it a personal playground of sorts because it's supposed to represent official business of the MM. When things are taken too seriously, no one wants to post. If we throw caution to the wind, we make dumb mistakes.

Even one trillion in terms of total population is too high. It's estimated that around 107 billion homo sapiens have populated this planet. It is true that this number does not account for the timeline the Urantia Book uses, going back 50,000 years instead of hundreds of thousands of years, but populations were so low back then that it doesn't make a huge difference. It would probably be a few extra billion if you go back a million years and include all of our ancestors. Do the calculations involve all cases of infant mortality? Probably not, but a trillion is still doubtful. This number or maybe even the 60 trillion only becomes realistic when combining all of the apostate worlds.

Now, for just this planet, the rebellion did not affect all of human history. It impacted the later half of it, or maybe even the last quarter. Don't remember the exact timeline right now. Point is Caligastia was not always here, and he did not rebel as soon as he arrived. We also have to consider the issue that Adjusters were not indwelling all humans/humanoids on the planet anyway, and even some of those who were indwelled might not have been resurrected. In this period that was untarnished by rebellion, my guess is we fared about the same as other worlds in their early evolutionary history, or at least in comparison to other decimal worlds. Perhaps on the other side, we'll see the actual numbers and then the rate at which things worsened when the Lucifer Rebellion grew.

General Discussion / Re: Recovery/ Roll Call/ Construction
« on: November 02, 2017, 01:47:52 AM »
The column of space represented by Nebadon is immense and what has been said so far COULD be descriptive of the space pattern inside our new planetary system of which Urantia is planet number three and only two others are in it with us.  I gave a good description of this event back about four months ago and in all the turmoil I am going through I did not forget we are being applied into a new planetary system but I have forgotten space dimensions for all of these changes.
That's an interesting idea. I hadn't thought of that. I don't know why this kind of thing is getting inserted into these transmissions, but I guess we'll find out later.

I don't remember where the original info about the new system was mentioned, so I would have to search based on keywords. I tried this a little, but I'm going in blind without knowing what category it's in.

General Discussion / Re: Recovery/ Roll Call/ Construction
« on: November 01, 2017, 11:11:43 PM »
I've noticed that whenever the size of Nebadon has been described recently, we get these incorrect numbers. Frankly, the dimensions given probably do not even cover all of Satania. The closest star to our planet is 4.22 light-years away, but apparently that's two-thirds the width of Nebadon. A while ago, it was mentioned that Salvington was located near Sagittarius, and that's 26,000 light-years away. This distance was more realistic. You probably don't remember, Ron, but in 2014 we discussed astronomy with Rayson and Michael chiming in. At that point, it was stated that Nebadon has 4/10ths of the Milky Way inside of it, meaning a section of Nebadon is about 40,000 light-years wide. This best matched what the UB teaches in conjunction with today's astronomy. Are the dimensions now being given just missing the extra zeroes or are you being given incorrect information for a particular reason?

I received this just now about the times ahead, though I do not know if this particular message was impaired by the same difficulties that others have been facing. There were moments where a word was not clear and the concept behind it had to be expressed differently.

“This is Monjoronson. What you will experience and all transmitters will experience in the coming times will be a sequence of tests used to gauge your strength in this area. It is not just about the means of taking down a message, but picking out the right words or phrases. Naturally, you also need to find the right answers to questions to portray the truth of the matter or a given situation. To not go off in the wrong direction – that is what we are going for overall, but it does expand into other areas like etiquette and personal interference. What we will be attempting to do is narrow down our search for transmitters that will serve as official voices for the Magisterial Mission, and you are one of them. You will be tested much like the others, so prepare for it. Everyone will soon understand the pressure needed to succeed. They will realize that the tasks ahead are not easy, and it will take everything from you to present yourselves as adequate members of the mission alongside the celestials and God the Father. That is all.”

It is utter nonsense to say an action is too harsh when not taking action allows the lice of subversion to eat away at human trust for the spiritual reporting we do receive.
I'm not saying to ignore it. In fact, I agreed with the general reasoning that was provided. But a ban of nine months is longer than usual, so it stood out. My problem was not the existence of punishment, but the severity. Just hoping to clarify.

The third item attempts to list different forms of unnecessary alterations to the human body that spirit might find as a form of self-mutilation. In essence, we force a change on our body that is supposed to be considered a temple since the TA resides in it. We inflict harm, however light, for the sake of self-expression and identity. Personally, I don't really find this to be wrong. I hold the position that people should be allowed to do what they want with their bodies, and there shouldn't be anything immoral about that if no harm comes to others (including emotional harm). Naturally, if spirit finds beauty in the human form, altering that form can distort the beauty that is perceived. However, most spirit beings have trouble seeing our purely physical form anyway, so they wouldn't even notice this sort of thing. I think this is more an issue of ideals because, ideally, it doesn't need to happen. However, things like tattoos and piercings are still only skin deep. As long as we don't rely on such things like we could with any other facet of physical life (replacing spiritual benefits for physical ones), we're fine.

I agree with Overmind and Michel. This is all very distressing. There is no mention in the UB of Spirit ever punishing anyone.

Kurt, I have to disagree with this. If there is a justice system in the universe (i.e. the court of the Ancients of Days and those below that), then there will inevitably be punishments for wrongdoing. Maybe you were not specific enough?

I feel this response to Daniel's transmission was rather harsh. For one thing, it's inevitable that an event like this would influence him in a big way. He was quite close to it. I do agree that this transmission was likely not genuine. I'm not sure I've ever seen a Midwayer regurgitate a news story, and I've read an incredible number of messages over the years. Moreover, even if this were a genuine transmission, it wouldn't be very valuable because we could easily enough find the information elsewhere. I believe it to be an attempt on Daniel's part to do something after a tragedy that hit him close to home. I don't blame him for it. He feels compelled to receive messages daily, even when influenced by what happens around him. He's dedicated, even when that dedication leads to a few duds. We all get them. The difference is he posted something he should have kept to himself.

Nevertheless, I also understand the argument that this kind of behavior in the future could belittle the work of other transmitters, though I would argue that such is more likely to lower Daniel's reputation specifically, and only among those who do not know him. Frankly, most people outside of this forum have no way of telling the difference between the content or integrity of transmitters here and channelers elsewhere. We certainly do not hold a monopoly on truth. A mistake before and after the Magisterial Mission materializes are two different things, and I don't see why Daniel can't learn from this example right now. I believe banning him is a serious mistake, and doing it before he can even apologize or explain himself is even worse. He doesn't have to receive transmissions. If spirit does not go to him for such, he will come to realize that that is the case. But keeping him from posting? Daniel is one of the nicer souls to participate here, and was certainly one of the more loyal members. Even if a ban was warranted, why not just make it three months? That was the common length of time to do this sort of thing.

Again, if this is the decision of spirit, I won't dispute it. From their perspective, if they truly wish to cause a stir at the UN this year, I can understand the rigid guidelines. In fact, I would support them. But this business still leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I doubt the atmosphere of the forum will improve because of it. Just my perspective.

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