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Why green?

Maybe something to do with ancient lore.  When they build early cathedrals the stone masons would always carve into the other statues, the green man.  He never had a function except to be there.  He was green because they had lots of green pigment too as the doors of all cathedrals were green as well.  The face of the green man carved into pews and edifices no one could reach was like a little boys face and you might get mischief from its youth too.  It also seemed to be a comfort to the priests who loved company at night when no one else was in the apse of the church and they could hear the cold winds blow outside.  To see the green man peeking out of the carvings was cheering to the lonely who had to care for the edifice night and day.  Green door?  Mysterious appearance of color on a door which is usually finished in its natural wood other wise.  Ron

It debuted in 1956 in the USA
The above is rock n roll the lower one is an mp3 of Frankie Vaughn more pops than rock

Hope they play for you if interested.  Ron

Hi Elvis.  Do not make too much of this.

First, that kind of money is hard to hide and I will or cannot hide such.  Second, the Fed Reserve is far too smart to not notice a loose billion floating around in the system however it gets there.   Third, Salvington has actual gold bars with its logo stamped on each one which is a heraldic eagle with a crest on top; each bar is stamped with it so it adheres to a precise purity and weight.  A standard gold bar is right around 30 pounds these days.  Some national banks stamp their gold with their logo too but the Salvington gold is actually shipped here and not materialized.

What has to be done is a process that allows the Federal Reserve to acknowledge that amount of money exists at all.   THEN, we petition the Federal Reserve to assign us a transaction number that allows us to move the money (gold or cash or loot of some kind) from our placement to a Federal Reserve Bank, and that would be in New York for us.   Third, they assign us a legal movement of cash number in what they call tranches.

A Tranche ( a French word meaning "to move") is authorized by the Federal Reserve and one billion dollars might have as many as 10 or 15 tranches.  Divide the number of tranches into the total amount to be transferred and then each tranche moves that amount of money over the electronic system run by the Federal Reserve.  They do this for an orderly transfer of a lot of money, and to ascertain the security of its movement as they have a precise amount to start with and it must arrive in its new place precisely the same amount.  Our request is to move it to a local bank for distribution to a number of accounts I have already set up in the bank to receive cash this way.  Once it is in our bank, I can write checks on it to pay the bills of the distribution of the new Urantia Book and pay the salaries of the people we are placing on staff, and a lot of other things that have to be done at once to run the return of Jesus and start the Michael Mission with its bills paid as we go.

They were joking with me becoming a billionaire.  On paper I might become one for a day as I must then brea it up into different piles and then transfer that cash into at least five bank accounts I have set up already.  The bank has to understand we handle this money in a very restricted way, and that I must have approval of the divine and of Michael and Jesus to write these payments out to vendors and staff as a regular meeting where I present the names and check numbers and how much on a list and wait for them to tell me not to write them or to write them at once.  It is up to them how they spend their money and I fully understand why they have to be so careful.  

We will initially hire an accounting firm to prepare checks for us and I will sign them when authorized to do so.  I might do this all the time so there is a constant flow of what is being paid in a timely manner.  I have never worked for a firm that does accounting outside like this but it will keep things orderly for us at least until we get the hang of the amount of work that is involved in doing the payments and paying salaries.

This explanation should help you get the right idea of how we will do business on the money end and I look forward to starting as soon as possible.  Thanks for the inquiry.  \

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "The truth of the matter is that Lucifer never corrupted the grid.  That happened when Caligastia decided to remove all human souls from Urantia and to demolish the ascension career.  He did not want humans going to the mansion worlds and being corrected as to what they believed.  Lucifer did corrupt the communication circuits and Ron can tell you he used one or two and was constantly bombarded with negative statements to his work.  In any case the grid has the largest amount of correction to the point we pulled it all down and let people who recently transition go to Edentia until we repaired our mansion world circuitry and that is all we can say.  Michael of Nebadon."

Ron - The grid was corrupted.  The Melchizedeks stepped in and started to clean it up, and as Michael said, it was so bad they condemned it and rebuilt it while there were detours of human souls to Edentia until the repairs were complete.  They have been complete now for six months and those who recently died are now going directly to the mansion world.  That is, unless they are so saturated with the Lucifer philosophy and take all they can  and mow people down to get them out of the way.  Some of the old communication circuits remain compromised but they will be removed rather than repaired-- perhaps ten of them.  You are being influenced by Lucifer and Caligastia every day due to your fellow humans adopting the policies of the rebels and they do not know any better. Forcing these people to change their habits will cause additional rebellion I feel and much unhappiness.


Yes, Clency, as weird as it sounds, in this particular case, you speak it right.  It happens this saying or statement was used by Tom Hanks in one of his movies, and it made such a hit, it became a malapropism, which I think is the correct term for what this is.  The Yankee ball player Yoga Berra was famous for malapropisms that sometimes went, "it was deja vu all over again."  Or:  "Texas has a lot of electrical votes", rather than "electoral votes"  Now one who speaks another language other than English may never get it, but it is hilarious in our vernacular and many people use it today to joke with each other on such occasions. Tom Hanks in Ghost Busters also used another one, "I don't get it!  Where did he get it?"  And that is not a malapropism but a witticism.

The Sixth Epochal Revelation Submitted to The Ancients of Days

York Pa
Michael of Nebadon
Dr. Helen Schucman
General Dwight David Eisenhower
September 21, 2018 at midnight

This is Michael and we update the Forum on the present status of the Sixth Epochal Revelation.

I am inclined to let this settle without further ado, but there is much talk “out there,” about just what do we mean by a second Urantia Book?  The answer is simple.  The second Urantia Book submits additional information the first Urantia Book did not contain, and we used Ron to help indite it so it could be read on Urantia when the time comes.

Timing?  It is finished now.  Ron has no copy and neither do we, as it has been resubmitted to the Ancients of Days, and rely upon them to finish what we started about thirty years ago, and then put it aside until we had the right moment to complete it, and then to provide Urantia a replacement of the fifth epochal revelation with the sixth epochal revelation.  The sixth epochal revelation will stand, we feel sure, for less than one hundred years of your time.  It is to be supplemented with Year Books every five years to update the text where it needs updating as things change everywhere in a universe of relativity.

We are please to accept the resignation of Ron Besser from further indications providing you additional details, and that is because the new and second Urantia Book is retitled again for what is third announcement of title change.  We are re-titling it: The URANTIA Book: The Sixth Epochal Revelation.  That is what it now states on the cover the Ancients of Days have read and are annotating further comments to Me.  I now come to the most prescient part of this update:

From 1973 to its publication in 1976, we worked with Professors at Columbia University, specifically the psychology department, and dictated “A Course in Miracles.”   We asked the woman who dictated it to provide dictation twice daily.  She, Dr. Helen Schucman,  managed to do it twice a day for almost five years– from about 1971 to 1976.  She died suddenly of a thrombosis of the heart only to learn she died of a hemorrhage of her pituitary gland and was pronounced dead when they found her in her office at the University.   She was not dead but revived at the hospital morgue and was transferred back to the University when she was fully stabilized from the shock of passing out in the midst of a transmission from her Thought Adjuster.

We then had to reconsider the effects of transmitting at all when the idea of a Teaching Mission occurred to us as well.  Beginning in 1991 to the start of the Teaching Mission in February, 1992, we held that transmissions were not dangerous or required any special concerns on our part as to the safety of individuals who could learn to do it as did Dr. Helen Schucman.  Later we learned that Dr. Schucman, nearly died of a pituitary gland that had weakened because of dosage with glycerine tablets she used to make her breath easier to take when transmitting.  It so weakened the pituitary gland it fell into a depression and was nearly useless for the rest of her life, which ended in 1981 at the age of 72 for her.  Our primary concern was that she be left to her own devices and enclose the text with no preliminary conceptual material, but she easily learned we were feeding her a text for spiritual analysis for the human genome of behavior at that time.  What we did not expect was for it to catch on and become so over done we hardly know how to remove it now for it truly outdated and should not be used further where possible.

The Sixth Epochal Revelation, discusses,  “A Course in Miracles “with plenty of foreknowledge, and it provides the reader the value of learning to produce natural transmissions.  Dr. Helen Schucman never learned to provide such and relied upon glycerine tablets to ease the force of air we used to provide lift to her voice so it would be audible.  She learned to do it easily with those tablets but never found an easy outlet for material she had additionally that never made it into the transcript for publication as “A Course in Miracles.”  

Finally, this, the Sixth Epochal Revelation is the last of its kind in any universe anywhere.  It proves to be so different and difficult to produce we are washing our hands of ever doing another one.  Instead, we rely on people like Ron Besser from now on to learn the technique of revelation, which he has so well I had to remove a book he was working in that far outstrips what the Urantia Book tells us about materialization from prematter, and to reset the record that people like Ron, are to be addressed as master craftsman, as they are truly a mile ahead of anyone on Urantia, and that is because they know how to handle new information without causing problems.

In the case of this transmitter, he is updating the readers here fully and competently without fanfare or the need of glycerine tablets or anything to produce what is genuinely new information.  He has written a second book on materialization that shocked our readers up here as he did it so well and competently we are ready to publish it as a part of a series of Papers that Rayson hosts shortly in the coming Magisterial Mission and Michael Mission in days my dear folks.  You are providing all of us Ron, an unusual statement soon too, as you have lost your favorite work by me taking the entire book file off your computer and its backups so I can study your technique of writing.  It turns out, that his technique is fully supplanted by his Thought Adjuster, which transmits the data from Rayson in this case, remodels it into how Ron writes, and dicates most of it to Ron as Ron gets the point as to what comes next by his own decision.  We should have used that technique with Dr. Helen Schucman, who speaks through the ability of Ron to transmit her fully now:”

Dr. Helen Schucman speaks:
“I am loathe to report I had no idea I was transmitting when I did that work for the “A Course in Miracles.”   You are correct to wait Ron as I wish to tell all that no one up here expected me to arrive with my mind in place anymore, because I was beginning to think I was haunted as you feel sometimes.  Today they turned a switch off which you must keep on to light your flag in the front yard at night.  It is painful for you to go down those steps to get it on.  Yet they secretly turned it off after dark and you had to go back into the cellar where the switch is placed and turn it on again.  I asked Michael what this was all about as I had incidences of that myself that are not spoken to although my editors knew I had the problem too.  It turns out that the secret both of us have Ron, is that we are both psychics, and you are also clairaudient and psychosomatic to the point you cause events around you to change if you are unhappy with how things are playing out.  I am Dr. Helen Schucman, and I recall one incident where I became so irritated with changes to my dressing table arrangements, I blew a cork as you do Ron, and told them to forget me, as I am stopping any further chances of work on the proposed book we were then working on together.  At last I got a sign that all would stop if I would stop learning all I could to get something done and let them supply the knowledge first.

“I am truly sorry Ron for the confusion you had to erase there, but I must keep my mind clear enough to explain that you are haunted not by a ghost, but your own persona which changes drastically every day as you must revive your physical mechanism which is extremely painful to you and start work as though not pain was present.  The mind agrees and lets it happen but you throw the morning Ron off into a dither of lost senses and it drives its name up against you in order to be felt again.  You do not clear all of this, but when the pain is finally gone, and it will be, you will no longer experience the haunting.  I never heard of it either Ron, but you are beset with it when you are busy in particular and it upsets your routines all day if you are not caring to say hello to it.

“As Dr. Helen Schucman, I now am in possession of new knowledge that is hysterical and Ron it does not work that way.  Besides myself and other persona up here who are interested in the book and how it was accomplished, you Ron have added an addendum to it that goes like this: ‘Do not bug me with this book, it is harmful to a person like me who is not bothered by social quarrels or feelings of disparity, and it drives me nuts to run page after page of rubrics that mean nothing to my mind.’  I did not think that was possible, but with you it is true, and you have run into others of your psychology to our amazement.  You are nuts Besser!  I am Dr. Helen Schucman, and I leave this for now as I have a book full of questions soon I hope you can answer. I am Dr. Helen Schucman, good day.”

“As Dr. Helen Schucman, I am also treated for schizophrenia up here and they said it could not happen.  I have my own doctor and you do to in me Ron, as I see you as a rubric for all cures in your zany view that no one is out of the fold for a dart from you when you want to let lose.  In any case, good day for now.”

The Sixth Epochal Revelation speaks of the publication of the Miracles text in order to resound what Ron does so very well and nobody bothers to notice: he is clairaudient as well as clairvoyant and never makes mistakes of thought but we have caused so many changes that what he reports does not happen because it has become outdated and unused.  In 2013, we decided to test Ron and run through him a Serena broadcast about the coming Magisterial Mission with all of the fancy plans then in place.  Serara and Monjoronson cooperated beautifully and Ron was told to salute the flag in the back yard which he did but told us if he was ever asked to do that again to stand in a riding mower and salute a flag, he would fire us permanently.  But he did as we requested.  It so happened that General Dwight David Eisenhower was on Urantia, and saw the flag salute as purposeful and asked to know the name of who that was.  He learned it was Besser and lost interest immediately, but not until we got out of the General that there was a resurrection of WWII dead and Ron fully supported that work and more as he felt haunted by their deaths, for he stood at the English burial grounds near London, England, and was haunted by row after row of unnamed soldiers who were buried with honors but without names ever to be known except by me and Mother Spirit.  It is a deep feeling of remorse he stood among the graves and wondered if any of the fellows were there to see him salute them, and there were many and he nearly died when he felt a kiss on his brow.  It was a WAC so mutilated they did not know her sex and was buried there with the male unknown soldiers.   We also salute them Ron.  This is the General, the 34th President of the United States, Dwight David Eisenhower, now a PhD in psychosymitry.  It is about men and how when they die young they must be brought back soon enough or we lose their souls to posterity.  You never heard of the discipline until I invented it for reasons of State up here and Michael lauds your work with me for doing some of that work when you were much younger, and felt the hearts bleed in Gettysburg.  You often sat on a big boulder looking at the sunset over the western mountains, and felt the silent loss of life there with them and never cried but were often so unhappy you just would sigh and move on.  You wondered if they were there any of them, and they were there by the hundreds as you remembered them and their sacrifice.  You love the work of God and heart and detest death and you are not getting out of it.  I am General Dwight David Eisenhower, and he and Julie are fine!”

“The Sixth Epochal Revelation also speaks to the dead of both World Wars, and Ron knows them well, as he decided never to strike a man ever until he was pushed to save his life, and that has never ever happened either.  Our work together has been to see to the sixth epochal revelation, and we allow capitals or no capitals depending on context, and to produce it with your help.  What we never expected was to see you blossom as a clairaudient and clairvoyant speaker with such modesty that to this day you are unaware of that gift at all.  It is so well developed you can spook anyone you like by looking deeply into them as they stand there and all is laid bare.  Be assured it will be soon enough.  I am retelling only one story for the edification of this reading public, and that is when you sat down in front of the secretary for the big wigs that owned your office building, and proceeded to lay her bare as she asked you to.  She has never forgotten it as it was a grueling hour that ended peacefully when she had to go to the bathroom and you were already late to close the office such as it was.  Good day.”


Yes, Jesus used a colloquial cartoon statement frequently used in the USA.

If I say to you,  Jose,  I am going to give you a million dollars-- not!  It is a joke.  It means what ever I said before the word NOT, isn't a true statement. I am not giving you a million dollars when I use not.   Jesus is saying his wording this way too.  I am Jesus and you will not see me that fast.   Adding "not" at the end of a declarative statement is often used to exaggerate how untrue something is as in saying things like, The Wicked Witch is so beautiful. . .  not!   Witches are seldom if ever beautiful and anybody who says it recants the statement by saying "not."  That is what we Americans get for playing with language and confusing everybody with it sometimes.  I promise you that when it is used at the back end of a sentence this way it means what they said is not true or even possible.  Does that help?

Announcement Concerning Mission Start Up as of NOW 21Sept2018
Ron Besser/York, Pa noon local time
September 21, 2018

“I am Jesus.  Be assured I am visible in days from now NOT.  I must prepare to enter Urantia as best I can and to reveal all I can to a few of you who must be prepared to take on what I call the most important evidence yet, that all is well if there are some of you willing to sacrifice your lives to be one with the Lord and to stand tall and do the bidding of those who know how to control a wayward Urantia, and a loss of steel and power by Ron and those around him who ask that it be done regardless of their own good fortunes.  They are being taken off the dais and what is being established is a rare chance for them to join with me as regular folks working hard to be sure there is peace and tranquility among the nations of the world, URANTIA.

“I seek no justice for all of you or for Ron as you all have paid the price well enough.  But you all seem to forget that this is not a romp around the candy counter and Ron laughs as he transmits those terms, as he is full of the imp yet and it cannot be beat out of him ever.  Be assured that the time for any work on Urantia is now spiritually.  We take it all as it is and will provide all with what we may.  Be assured that I carry the Word and not the chattel some of you expect in return for learning to transmit.  Learn to transmit and save your own lives!  That is the real reason you are being given every opportunity to learn it and well. 

“Ron has been told he is rotten as a stick of dynamite.  I am driving home the fact that he has lost precious amounts of time and effort to do something he felt was very worth while so well we had to seize it off his computer and to let him sit with an empty basin.  However, it is so well done it must be restored shortly and it should be a fully published book and it will be as soon as we can arrange for its publication shortly.  It deals with how matter becomes matter and it is superb with diagrams that make complete sense even to the layman.  I give you Michael to speak to other things now:

“Ron Besser is now removed from all central planning.  He is just a subject as all of you are, and has managed to make great mileage into our thinking only because he speaks the truth so often, we wonder why we did not think of it ourselves for other missions.  We are completely sure he is full of choices soon, but not as a purveyor of any corporation or undoing of the Chicago Foundation, but will stand by as we work our will over these issues and Jesus remains in charge of all as prepared for by Ron anyhow.  He will not be your guide, I will.   But you must understand I will rely upon Ron for many things including to run the new Urantia Foundation under the Magisterial Foundation name, and I rescind all other titles that once were given to Ron under, not false promises, but under one iteration of other iterations of plans now placed out of our use.  Besides, he is so ill at times he hardly can raise his head off his pillow and we must make amends there too.

“I am Michael and Jesus will speak further next.  However, please understand that the North Korean dictator, Kim Jong-un has no intention for peaceful signatures to end the Korean War committed in 1951 to 1953, when Dwight David Eisenhower, as President, ended the war with an armistice that divided Korea into two factions, as it remains today.  Today Moon Jae-in, President of South Korea believes that King Jong-un will follow suit and declare the demilitarized zone to no longer exist and declare the two Koreas as one.   I fully support South Korea in this belief, but North Korea will wait until the demilitarized zone is gone, and then invade South Korea with a blast of fire power that is unbelievable.  South Korea will fold and he will declare victory.  However, that is not how it will work out, and we hold our fire to see just how the trap will be closed against Kim Jong-un to come.

“Finally, we must conclude the fact that Ron has a book that will set the world on fire.  It is that well done and I must take it off his computer and store it for the armistice to follow the present era of war and dangerous leagues of distrust among even the American allies who hold no good for Trump or his administration.  We are prepared to let Ron run things briefly, and he will retire with all he must and assign all to Jesus as he has already declared to us months ago.  He must be relied upon briefly and then to drop out of sight for centuries not, but to be an ambassador of goodwill for Me and Jesus.  Good day.  Michael of Nebadon.”

JESUS - “I am happy to relate that Ron is feeling his usual, ‘oh, God! What now???’ speeches and that is not entirely wrong.  He is not unhappy with this at all and feels he is worthy of anything we could give him, but he is to be in charge of the new Sixth Epochal Revelation all his days on earth, and they will be many, and to charge all to do their best in transmission learning and so on.  We congratulate Ding Xin for breaking through to good transmission practices.  To Alexander of Russia for his speedy ability to learn transmission once he learned it was not that hard to do, and to several of you who have not spoken of it in ways to make Ron know you are active too.  The truth is that unless you declare yourselves you do not get the assignments of those who do declare themselves on this site.  The time is not to show who you are and accept that you are part of a new Mission on Urantia, and to stand tall in support of it instead of cringing in fear of retaliation of the Chicago franchise of the Fifth Epochal Revelation.  Stand up and be counted now.

“Finally, I must make amends to all of you on this list.  Ron has played his cards very close to his chest, and has asked that no one be assured of anything this time around, as he tells his correspondents not to expect miracles but to expect hard work and that is exactly we plan to do.  Ron has lost Mantutia to an important assignment, and Malvantra is fading quickly as a Supervisor, but the truth is that Ron suspects both of them to be spies of a different kind and to leave well enough alone.  He kills Mantutia with humor often enough.  Good and this.  Here is Mantutia for the record.  Jesus.”

MANTUTIA - “I stand ready Ron to be on your side of all of this.  Be assured you are mostly alone these days and you made it clear to Steve Gitz he needs to lighten up and start planning a move north as that empty gas cavern below the Gulf of Mexico will collapse, as part of it is under the State of Louisiana too, and that his home and family will perish instantly if they stay there much longer.  The tectonic plates under the southern part of the United States are super weak now due to all sorts of collusions of people over millennia to cause them to weaken so much.  In all cases the nature of the collapse is sudden and without warning, as there will be no preliminary earthquake or salt water fissures open up first as they did when the Mississippi River changed course in the early 19th century.

“Ron, you need to cheer up.  That is our quest for now.  Be assured your physical problems are now the problems we fix with the help of Uversa and Salvington and even Edentia.  I am truly out of sorts with you Ron as you want to add Rhode Island to the place names but no.   I am sure you are fully deployed this morning but under the weather as usual as the face of God is upon you this morning as it is with Jack (aka Ding Xin) in New Zealand, as he must move in weeks as this prepares to take on the magnificence of a majestic Mission on Urantia, under the leadership of Jesus, and that is not usually done, but Ron is fully supportive of it and to let Jesus take great responsibilities he would have had to shoulder, with our help, but now can be a second in command if necessary.  You Ron see the problems and not the solutions and Jesus sees the problems and the solutions long term which you cannot do as human.  Be assured you do all you can and will and that book is to be returned to you and Steve Gitz to edit once we figure out how to publish it propertly.  I am quite sure that the whole idea of four micron coal powders which is no longer coal at all, is fathomable by all citizens of all nations once it is clear it can be done better than just grinding it.  I am Mantutia. And I wish you all a good day.”

MOTHER SPIRIT - “Ron you must understand this transmissions equals what Greg Maust said in his Barnard List contribution: ‘This is a truly important announcement,’  and ends speculation as to what will occur now. I am truly sorry you lost a very important book, and I doubt that Gitz believes you fully, but he needs to belly up to the bar of truth and realize you Ron are constantly under the gun to perform when we ask you to–  and you do it very well enough.

“Finally, the truth of your leg and ankle and no general body pains is a gift of change now in the past.  You have completed all of that work this morning as you rolled out of bed later than you thought it was.  You are no longer forced into sleep and must remain clearly done now and force yourself through medical tests to end the speculation you have venous insufficiency but actually have a small blood clot in the heart we will remedy quickly shortly.  You are serious but silly Ron and we watch you carefully as you breathe a sigh of relief that something is finally going to happen for all of you.  Let me decide some of it right now:

“The Magisterial Foundation is ready to start work.  You are now under the gun to fill its chattels with money, and that arrives shortly for your funding of the Magisterial Foundation first and second the Starbridge Foundation.  You need to send out a list of priorities to the United States Federal Reserve for tranche work and need the bank to cooperate with you just how much money the system can stand.  We intend to send as much as one billion USD through the coffers of that bank and need confirmation we dare do this.  It will require tranches and you are familiar with the terms and the documents for tranche work to begin.  This is not to begin until the Letter of Credit is sent to an advisory board on Salvington,  and we now fully understand you understand the degree of seriousness this will cause the Trump administration, and be prepared to send the Letter of Credit to the White House for approval.  Trump insists on full credit to be established and once that is done, he is as free as a bird to okay it at once in our opinion.

“Take it with ease Ron and you will do fine.  That letter of credit must be sent to Nikki in the post and not as a document in the email to her as she must sign off any work done for you as billable to you and that is her's to hesitate to do right now, as she is negotiating a way out of the mess she feels you are presenting the firm, but fails to understand you are about to take it one step further and demand that SN work with you or get out of the way.  This has developed after she received that update and it upset her so much she could not sleep well for weeks.  A Letter of Credit must be assigned to her as well to operate as your agent if SN allows it, if not there are plenty of other accountants who will step in and take it on.

“Finally, here is Jesus once more for you Ron: Mother Spirit.”

JESUS - “You Ron are one of the few that knows all about tranches and you learned that working with Ilok for years and never had one finally get assigned but knew the process.  You will become a Forbes magazine billionaire briefly before you turn it over to your bank and they make out of it what they will.  We want you to understand that one billion USD is sufficient to start the ball rolling, and that we will stand by you for many more such trances to the bank if they require it.  They have treated you shabbily recently over issues they do not fully comprehend but they do know you know enough to stop fake transactions they do in order to speed up check processing.  You have made it clear the use of fraudulent use of preauthorized payments for certain transactions is fraudulent and asked that it be stopped on your account alone.  They have refused to do that and that is enough for us to change banks if they do not stop the practice as it allows fraud to happen as you so painfully learned when some woman in Illinois stole five thousand dollars from your personal account, which they still dispute as collusion from you to have that happen.  However Rhode Island now suspects you had nothing to do with it and worries now you could sue them for collusion yourself.  They are a wiley bunch and we must be on the look out they do not provide an open window into our business due to greed and so much money flowing through your accounts. 

“I am Jesus, and we are learning your ways too, Ron.  You feel we need to have our own bank in order to secure our transactions, and now we agree with you.  It is ours to do when we can, and you fully understand you must use your own bank for now and insist the practice must be stopped and that it will be or we will remove our accounts at once and leave for another local bank if they refuse you the time of day.  This is typical of tycoons who think they have the world by the throat but they do not, and they will pay the price if they insist on prerogatives they do not deserve.  I must collude with you on so many things Ron, stand fast while we evaluate the situation on Urantia, step by step.  The idea of our own bank is important.  Believe us the whole idea of money and tranches is not important to me but it is important to you to fund the enterprise now.  Good and we will speak later with Serara. Jesus”


Weydevu, my view is that this is a dispensational event and not a public event.  The last place that affected the Salvington Government was the Bestowal world Urantia and it is of the utmost importance to be cleaned up as it is an example for Spirit to portray to the rest of the universe, that evil cannot reign Supreme even on a lost planet like Urantia.  Now do you thin the public as they are today could fathom the event and know what adjudication means to them as most, if they ever think about it, consider the Bible story of a war in heaven as a fable.  It would create a lot of useless controversy I am sure to make ti generally known up front. What has to happen is people will have to start reading the sixth epochal revelation to know the event occurred and the awful mess it created,  not only on Urantia,  but right up into the highest councils of Paradise.

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "As usual Ron is right as rain but let me add this:  Lucifer hated me in particular and wanted to destroy Urantia right down to its molten core that keeps the planet spinning and forces its gravity to be evenly distributed across its surface.  But we did have the adjudication of the Lucifer Rebellion completed on March 16, 1986 and that is sufficient to clear out of the records as an ongoing affront to all of Us on high.  But Ron is right, this is a Bestowal Planet and it must be associated with only the highest ideals and working ways for spirit and for that reason the Sixth Epochal Dispensation recognizes that it is purged off the land itself and Jesus, who appears within possibly weeks from now, will clear it with the public if they ask him what happened to Lucifer or the devil?    Michael of Nebadon."

MOTHER SPIRIT = "We are determining that the Lucifer Rebellion was ended here on Urantia eighty years ago with the end of WW II.  But the trial that has unfolded since then over nation states and their war like tendencies has caused us to rething the Lucifer Rebellion still present on Urantia in the people who perpetuate war and ware like tendencies.  Trump is among the worst examples of this tendency to proclaim war as the essential factor in governance.  Mother Spirit."


General Discussion / Re: Pray Always
« on: September 18, 2018, 11:17:00 AM »
What a pleasant transmission, Steve.  Thank you.  Maybe like you, but maybe not, I get so vexed over things during the day that just go wrong and fixing them the fix goes wrong too, I get to swearing like a trooper to vent.  How nice it is to hear that walking prayers are effective too and maybe I should just try one now and then instead of working to keep my blood pressure  from pointing so fast upward these days.  Great work, Steve.  I thank your Adjuster I believe and his reference to Paul, one of my favorite sufferers too.

Clency, I assume you read what I wrote as analysis of your first post.  That they announce what follows is full of good information and I concur with them that we have a fight on our hands to provide a decent financial system.  But what they propose is fantastic and has no real application in numbers to global concerns for the research that must be done to understand we have a bad capitalistic system and the QFS makes it worse by changing it in to an apocalyptic reversion to a society without funds mostly as happened in the Great Depression of the 1930's.

My advice to you Clency is to stay away from dreaming as you get yourself all tied up in ideals that have no foundation in trust by the people or any real hope of being made to work among citizens of a world to be made so poor soon that a fake dime seems almost to be a solution as to how to spend yourself back to financial health.  I suppose you can be like Repunzle to let your hair down the ivory tower to any who promise these versions of financial on the backs of computer technology, but this scheme is not well thought out.  Instituted it would block true financial equitable standing among the people of a very poor worl soon to be.

And by the way Clency, world population counters have a bad logorhythm as the Universal Censor announced months ago that the total Urantia population now slightly exceeds nine (9) billion people.  I provided a fairly long post on how the log used fails to take into account that proportional deaths and births was not correct in the first place,  In the second place the density of population on Urantia is so acute math hardly has a formula to predict future births and death.  We are way out of skew on Urantia and unfortunately the planet will bring the population back down to less than four billion, or even three billion, when it goes to cool the interior center core of molten rock in the center of the earth.  

FUSION TALK / Re: Hear Me Oh Fused Ones!!!
« on: September 17, 2018, 02:56:41 PM »
Clency it is my great misfortune to still carry all these pains.  I know not what they intend to let them run like this.

Francis/Sharon Story - the entire matter of fusion is so complicated at this point I am not quite sure I know how to answer you either fully or rightly.  I only know my DNA is altered to the point I have aches and pains not ever intended for a human being to experience. but I do not have blood clots or the problem of leukemia.   The change in DNA with me has heightened my distaste for what most humans enjoy on this planet, but my work with God is totally satisfactory and I see no reason to mix my distaste with human preoccupations here with my joy at finding I can accomplish things with the idea of improving the planet under their direction.

That is given above as an example of what a change in DNA does without the details about what in it was changed or why.  You are asking about something you cannot determine effects at all but are slow to understand that such changes are never conscious.  On Urantia, the fusion stratus is unconscious.  No one of us who has attended to its conditions knows what or why it exists as there are not direct effects on our knowledge to our being alive as benifical to a greater degree than we had before.

I am also finding that fusion on Urantia can be reversed if the Father so wills it.  The flames of fusion as described in the Urantia Book is final and full if done in the flesh, but without dying because of fusion status, we remain indeterminable in the sense we do not get to work in a new reality but perpetuate working in the old earth reality.  I am sure now that we are all being reviewed, the new guys like Gitz, and the old guys like Besser, for what the status achieves for the Father or for the local universe.  I doubt they will ever share that information with us, but certainly because it is unusual and rare in any universe at this time, they are ready to study it for its natural effects and for what it does for evolution.

I think you need to think about your question too.   Does spiritual change force body design (DNA).  I would say no.  But if you include the mind, then the answer is yes.  But you know that change not by fusion but by Adjuster attunement.

Then the question ought to become, what does fusion provide that complete attunement only does not provide without fusion?  Now you see the dilemma.  I just do not know how to approach that question much less how to answer it.

"We congratulate Ron on seeing the point we have raised time and again with Father.  Where do we cut the line between full attunement and the fact of fusion as the result to be one with a human self?

"The answer lies within each of you, and not the Thought Adjuster.  Who among you asks where do I go when I die?  You all know thanks to the revelation you go to the mansion worlds for further education.  Most of the world does not even know that today.

"You all know the difference between fusion and just attunement, and just attunement can change the parameters of how the DNA works as you have greater brain capacity with attunement than without it.  To make the greater brain capacity possible, DNA has to be changed to direct the brain to have more room to do more things with it.  But fusion has nothing to do with brain capacity or otherwise.  Fusion is the universe recognition you will survive the flesh and go on to bigger and better things after life in the flesh.  That is all it is meant to do here on Urantia, or on the mansion worlds.

"Now Ron has upset the apple cart as he likes to say, and that happens by him fusing to be a reliable member of the Magisterial Son staff.  But the Magisterial Mission was changed and put back decades for now and we now have eight people fused where one we only had one fused.  What is the point?  [Universal FAther himself is now in my ear to speak . . . .]

"Ron is ribbing us hard this morning due to excessive pain and blindness and he is not wrong to let it fly when he is no longer able to live in the human form.  He is genuinely fused as are the rest of you, but I rescind those fusions that no longer server us at all, and for that reason any one of you EXCEPT Ron can be removed from the fusion condition if I wish it to be done in favor of a normal ascension career.  Regardless of what happens to all the simple result of Ron being fused it allows me to make statements like this to the human race without doubting Ron will somehow sabotage us in the meantime.  That is total fusion and Ron is a walking morgue until we re-tune the nerves to the present conditions on Urantia and not attempt to use his nerves as a conduit for mansion world energies.  To you Ms. Sharon, Ron has rightly spoken, as no one including myself at the stage of the Urantia experimental paradigms understands the repercussions on evolution or the Supreme as to just what this change you eight on earth have created for the rest of us to realize the end game in eternity.  Father."

"We are quite sure Ron has no other motive in mind other than to serve.  He is totally and sometimes tragically stopped in motions not harmful to us, but harmful to man, for taking steps further than man should go at the moment in physics and other sciences and is a real bear cat with Rayson on how to state something Rayson prefers not to state.  Ron always provides Rayson what he wants and loves the work in spite of being caught up so hard sometimes he is asked to quit and go do something else.  That destroys our schedule but it happens often enough.  Fusion has nothing to do with this desire, but fusion does allow Ron access to files and information that is otherwise not available to the human race period.  Ron is totally abstracted on himself sometimes and that causes a lot of body pain as he must work in the morontial when he inclines toward information we do not generally release to the public even through epochal revelation. 

"In concluding this statement to you Francis. you have to think a lot deeper than you chance to do sometimes.  You think well but you tend to sluff it off in an attempt not to get into things you do not like to think about.  You have had so many deaths around you you almost fear to say anything for fear of having more to experience.  That should never be in the way but you put it in the way all the time.  If you wish to understand fusion, ask Ron about his days with Rayson and the battle to provide good information while fighting Censors and the Creator Son and Creative Spirit, just to jot down a simple chart of alloyed materials with their Ultimaton counts.  Rayson is willing.  Ron is willing.  But Father holds the cards and is not willing to spill as much information as he thought he would at first.  Father is ours as He is not yours any of you at this time, and you all must understand as Ron just said to me, 'I am getting a rather odd picture at times . . . " and means it well.  However, Father must be ready to provide what he promises to Ron and to all of you and leave it as it will become in the future.  Thank you all for listening.  Adjuster."

"I provide all that can be provided in life forms in the flesh.  I see Ron flash wisdom to us daily in expecting what he will do if he had to do it but we have no real release for any of you or him.  This is an ample opportunity to tell you that the Michael Mission is working hard to bring all of this to a visible term, but we keep getting setbacks because of Ron and his determination not to give into Censors or mistakes we make on him for the future use of his mind and abilities.

"Therefore I say to all of you that the last time we had a good purge was last week.  The next time we have a good purge is today.  What do I mean?

"URANTIA is a busy body and never lets anyone get ahead unless they claim celerity.  We decided to go that route for Ron and he does fine with it but finds it useless to think or provide much more than a drink in the middle of a spiritual drought on Urantia.  Now we find the book Ron wrote for Amazon KIndle is explosive in areas of thought we do not want to come apparent just yet.  The book dear readers is not your cup of tea  for those who know nothing about the physical sciences, but if you ever want to, READ THAT BOOK.  It is an easy introduction into physical laws man does not comprehend and he hit the nail on the head with Siemens [a German engineering corporation for energy etc] for good when he removed an offensive paragraph indicting them for tomfoolery in the death of his friend, Dr. Ilok.  Fusion for Ron heightens his ability to tell the difference between bad intentions and good intentions.  The German corporation he cites had no bad intention in mind but they got into trouble anyhow.  The book mentioned it in detail but he had his Editors, the Gitz family, delete the paragraph and all is copacetic now.

"I am laying down the law these past few weeks and we need to reestablish a pecking order with those who lead and those who follow.  All Indian Chiefs lead to a complete lack of order to determine what to do.  We need followers and transmitters and doers who do not bother to worry about repercussions of what happens when they are told what to do.   I have summarily cancelled a spirit fusion with a couple of you recently.  I have reinstated Larry Gossett and that is working very well, and now must attend to one other who actually quit yesterday much to our and Ron;s dissatisfaction.  It remains to be seen how it will go, and you all must be aware of this statement from Me, the Creator Son:

"No one remains permanently fused unless they have shown bonafide reasons to remain so.  Steve Gitz has shown Ron full support to get immensely important information out in a book to the Kindle apparatus of and so on and he stands the best change of keeping it going for the rest of his natural life on Urantia.  I also provide other kinds of information to the rest of you, and that is for you to know and not made public now.

"As a result of all this our discussion concerning fusion is somewhat parsed beyond just answer Frances Story now, and I address one pressing area you all must come to terms with. 

"Ron has properly assigned Mark Rogers to head the new teaching mission from an authority viewpoint.  He ha now seen the report and is ludicrously announcing he has nothing to do with a new Teaching Mission or Ron Besser and Ron, made it abundantly clear he preferred to remove Rogers from the post altogether because he predicted the reaction of Rogers clearly and well.  I insisted it remain and continue to do so.  Mark Rogers is not well at all and insists on currying Allene Vick in their midst and she is a viper to the chest of anyone who holds her truthful.   None of you know this history but you need to understand why we say what we say now and then.  Most of you do not have enough history to understand the convolutions we deal with to get a Mission on Urantia without fights that lead to dissolution.

"Mark Rogers will be addressed by Machiventa Melchizedek shortly and to be read the riot act.  For this reason Ron makes no further statements except to realize we are throwing a good man under the bus in the time of need, and Ron must stay still while this act takes place in order to free the Salvington government to act and replace Mark with another who is fully capable of doing it so long as they recognize the authority for all actions flows from the Magisterial Foundation.  I head the Magisterial Foundation until we have to make further changes in corporate usages.

"Mark Rogers is singularly difficult in his ways as he decided long ago never to fall victim to others, yet he does to members of his own Utah group.  Vick will be disguising her hate for Ron with praise when all of this becomes public and I determine when in case any of you are guessing that.  I am also without a good plan as to just how to remake the Teaching Mission without some old history included to be sure there is established protocols for all of this to appear.  I am also sure Ron is the last on the planet to give the old Teaching Mission passing grades while others moan at the waste of time they gave it long ago. 

"Mark Rogers dares to insinuate she is better than all the rest combined, but wonders why Ron calls her evil and a double duty load of crap on the face of the truth.  Allene Vick has failed as a genuine conduit for spiritual change on Urantia due to an excessive care over people she admires.  In most cases her search for love and fame has ended in Utah, but she insists it is everybody else who does not understand the vision that she is meant to carry the torch of these Missions for herself and to others if they are good to her.  Ron found the problems she brought to be excessive and dropped any pretense in using someone who kept changing the rules of engagement.  She is an excellent propagandist and finds most of you an easy target for conversion to he ways with evil without intending to be evil.  She now carries the stigma of the Lucifer Rebellion on her ways and we must regain the upper hand or drop her from the rollcall of agondonters she still proudly offends Michael with all the time for her cheating ways with the truth.

"We must be fair in all of this and remind all that Ron has battled excessively with some of you as Guests and reminds all of you he had no intention of dividing the Teaching Mission into camps by simply providing a badly needed service.  The lady who own Time magazine decades ago lamented when you do people a favor they will bring the whole process into doubt when they cite there is no good reason to do anyone a favor but to find fault over all of it.  We simplified her complaint to mention this but Ron had the same thing happen with Andy and some others he found worthy of help but finds now they are useless to him or society without a lot of repair and that is not coming from Ron now. 

"Finding fault with another is not a good game to play and Ron will not play it more than to set the record straight.  HE has never set out to demean or lessen the authority of anyone but refuses to countenance false reports and familiar work of people he sees just perpetuating the untruth in channel and trance messages from the outside world.  He wonders like I do what the Spirit Guides are really doing and outright calls some of them charlatans.  They all will end their work very soon and there will be a vacuum over the land when no one hears much of anything from spirit for some time. Ron now has something to say to Mark Rogers in this message only and I repeat we no longer look at Mark as rational.  Michael of Nebadon."

Ron Besser here =  I came to know Mark Rogers in the mid the 1990's when the then roaring activities of t he Teaching Mission were at their height.  I was also introduced to Allene Vick as early as 1991 or 1992 because she produced a newsletter the best I have ever seen put together frankly.  Both relationships have gone south over territory I do not defend but they do.  However, I must relent to Mark Rogers, that  I hold no such disregard for him as I do Allene Vick who has attempted to break the back of organizations I led for the good of the old Teaching Mission. 

Mark you are forcing an issue into total disaster and distraction by not realizing there is a genuine Mission now in place of a removed Magisterial Mission.  All of you who sit around that table you meet in are proxies for the world at war soon, and none of you realize that such a war comes to each personally as you vacate the lands you now work in and some were born in.  I lost you over an issue that is not explained to anyone anymore because nobody remembers history that well anymore, but you insisted on carrying out the interviews of the Magisterial Son after I was forced to give such programs up at his direct request that I do so.  I asked you to give it up in order to comply with the Magisterial Son's concerns that we had placed on our shoulders too much expectation and so little satisfaction on the results of those interviews placed on line.  I saw nothing wrong with your wish to continue, but I felt chastised by you for insisting it was a failure on my part and not an agreement to do the will of the Magisterial Paradise Son.

Now we have reached a point in our discussions that leaves you wondering about my sanity.  Your rely on the insinuations of Vick that this is all a rouse somehow and that "we" must continue to support what was and not get driven into an unnecessary frenzy over new Missions or authority about how they are to be conducted.   Michael of Nebadon Himself requested your presence to lead the new Teaching Mission, and this time it will have a leader to be like the head of the Girl Scouts of America, to provide inspiriation and a center into which all inquiries can be made and direction coming from there forthwith.   Yet you seem to think that this is overdrawn or worse, broken because I report it, yet it is yours to take on if you can clear yourself of what you accept as valid.  Vick is doing wrong, Mark.  She must be put out to pasture and let people think in truth what is to be done when all hell breaks lose in your part of the world itself. 

Mark Rogers, I want you to know I support Michael's choice for you to be considered an important leader for what is about to happen.  You tend to be a quite literal person as I remember with a lot of humor from me how you built your NEST to stand in to consider that you and the group had now a better version of faith to work with now.  While literal, I did understand why you did it and wonder what happened to that good friendship we had before you turned to the darker aspects of group leadership.

You are welcome to call me, speak with me, trial me.  I stand ready to keep the offer open so long as there is a chance you are willing to change your views to recognize more things are to do than you can possibly imagine, Horatio, as Shakespeare would say.  I leave this for now as Michael wishes to conclude this post.  Thank you.

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "I should let Ron speak more often as he is truly without guile and knows the Mission is most important, but we also say this to the Utah Group in general.  The Great Basin north of you is to fill mostly with sand and sometimes seawater of the brackish kind.  It will not be a true sea for another millennium but it will be unusable as land to live on for the rest of the time humanity thrives on Urantia.  This will drive all of you out and for the better if that is what you want for yourself and for Urantia.  I wish you all a good day.  Michael"


Threads for New Transmissions / Re: A personal message
« on: September 16, 2018, 11:03:43 PM »
Now that is what I call a Thought Adjuster worthy of Clency!  Congratulations big man of the moment for doing what I just knew you could do and that Adjuster is takin' no baloney either, sir!

We both expect you to start taking the cure, Clency!  A transmission a day to the list and two transmissions, maybe, just for yourself and what He has to offer you.  I am so proud of you I could spit!   Now please keep it going as we depend on you to hold your part in all that is going to happen.  You have my sincere apologies for biting you to get you going, but you had it ihn you all this time!    Ron

For your information it is Machiventa Melchizedek who taught Major Ed Dames concerning the map you linked to Jerry. 

MACHIVENTA MELCHIZEDEK -  "I worked with Major Ed Dames for years before he believed he could hear me and the staff I employed then to get this map information out to him.  He was an avid Urantia Book reader back in the 1980's and I had it all well set up.  But the change in plans from a Magisterial Mission to a Michael Mission changed our contact plans and we are now using mostly those who congregate on this web site as our main contacts for now to get this kind of information out to the public.  I just gave Ron a description for him to draw on a map what the new inland sea will look like for where you live Steve Gitz.  Where your home is located now will be over 7000 feet of water on top of you quickly, as the bottom will fall out of a creek you have nearby.  That is a fault line that falls about to 10,000 feet and now has a large pool of petroleum in it because the United States has a leaking petroleum reserve tank underground and it has loast about six hundred thousand gallons of crude into that crevice.  I asked Ron to draw the map and color in where we think the sea will cover and you will see the entire State of Louisiana is underwater to at least a depth of one mile and more.  I am Machiventa and wish all a good day too."

Ron - I have drawn the map according to the specs Machiventa indicated the water's wedge will come to.  In Chicago the water will end about six miles south of the Chicago River.  It splits Lake Michigan and inundates most of Lake Superior.  It comes east to where I worked in Pittsburgh as surveying the Brady Street Bridge which prepared for replacement at that time over the Monongahela River and just before it joins the Youghiogheny  River where they jointly flow by the Golden Triangle with the stadium and what not built on it.   From there where I worked it goes west up the Lake district into Canada, down into Nebraska through the panhandle of Texas and out into the Gulf again.

The map is attached below for your viewing.   RON

Congratulations Clency you sort of broke through the ice, but you are a tough one to deal with.  I admire them for even trying to make you make sense of your self in this practice.  I see they spoke like I am in that I just do not understand how a man of your delightful mind and spirit finds elocution from the mind of your Adjuster so hard to fathom you practically dragged him out and beat him and all he could mutter were his dying words.  You need a temper tantrum to clear Clency and I mean you need to get really angry and yell at me or yourself or the Adjusters who find someone to do it too.   Your mind is in trumoil and you should understand the emotional need for catharsis.

In English, when "we" is used as was done in your transmission, it is called the IMPERIAL WE.  It is a real term, and Queen Victoria of England made it popular during her reign when she chose to speak in the second person congegation of the verb "to be,"   I am., We are, He She It is.  Kindly note the second person of this verb is very indirect and speaks of being not human but of being an institution.  When the Queen said, "We are not amused," she meant the person she addressed was institutionally wrong to say what he or she said to the Queen.  Your Adjuster, and that is who you spoke to, is an institutional WE when he speaks for all of spirit, and the spirit attitude toward a person who drives the institution nuts about how you approach the simple act of transmitting.

My mother used it on me sometimes like, "We are not going to do that again, are we!"  I think you might see how cold that was to a friendly mistake.  It is institutional and the person who uses is not helping you to be inclusive ( you + I) but separating you from I as being slightly offensive.


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