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General Discussion / Re: French Website under construction
« on: March 19, 2019, 11:38:31 PM »
Antonio, I believer your web site will be more effective to leave it in French.  You ought to serve those who speak French since the English is here and you reference or link our web discussion forum to us anyhow, right?   You will take messages from the Magisterial Sons and the Others and put them into French for others to read in French.  You can put the English translation under your French post.  For the titles, if you have room write the French and slash the English    Francais/English


From the Daniel Raphael group in Colorado.

 Machiventa Melchizedek introduction to this group:

"I am sure you all know who and what this group purports to be and we agree they are an extraordinary group and we laud Ron for standing in for their lack of good behavior.  However, Ron sees this transmission evidently very important for me to shine in delivering an ultimatum not to this discussion forum group, but to the Raphael group, that if they want to live life in a better world, learn to collaborate.  So far they insist they are better than any of you and will not budge from that position.  Unfortunately, Daniel Raphael is getting a call from higher up, that unless he learns the ropes, epochal revelatory production from his group will not happen, and all of it has to be thrown to our bettle here, Ron Besser.  Ron laughs at this but he is producing one hell of a book on the AIDS virus that will knock the socks off the medical authorities, and I report that Newstarsaphire is the text editor and is almost done reformatting the entire two hundred page book type written.  We are insisting it be published by Simon and Schuster and they do not know that yet. 

"As a result of a turn of events this morning, Ron is now aware that what I say below is entirely in keeping with what he learned this morning.  The NEBADON FEDERATION is now permitted to go forward and that the Contact Commission on Urantia composed or Ron and three others you know well, is viable again after serious doubts for the past 24 hours in Ron's mind. 

"He sees Machiventa Melchizedek ready to pitch in again as I had to withdraw from direct support of the Contact Commission on Sunday and Ron felt it keenly and sadly without telling anyone what was happening and what he heard really but tremendous intuitive sensing as Ron was not told a thing.

"In retrospect it is Ron who drives this whole thing on Urantia and he sadly laments the uncooperative status of all groups around the country for keeping themselves isolated from the truth of the matter.  There is a genuine Contact Commission and it sits in York and it will drive the new Sixth Epochal Revelation quickly into book stores and other places as well.  I am Machiventa Melchizedek, and here is Lord SERARA which we institute once again Ron.  Machiventa Melchizedek."

MONJORONSON - "I am Monjoronson and just plain Monjoronson.  Ron says to Machiventa Melchizedek, now we have more vegetation to chop down to get to the Magisterial Son names?  He said yes, but I said "NO" and nicely done.  We are not using the title Lord for any of it and so shut that off in your own address practices.

"Ron is one of the few who forgives and forgets in the name of harmony and good news.  This morning Ron sat down to write a viper report to the Commissioners which Dominick has read already and is whizzing through the Medical Addendum Ron is writing right now for the Origins of AIDS and Autism book which now includes a temporary cure for Alzheimer's  Disease.  If you catch Altzheimers early enough, it is a total cure.  Be assured he is having trouble in that the cures are out in the open and he has no wish to have the pharmaceutical corporations profit from it in a greedy grab to patent these freely give cures and vaccines. I see we are also nervous about stating much more here at this time but Ron is reasonable and lets me state the book can, if they listen, revolutionize the treatments for AIDS, Autism, Altzheimers, and strangely enough if he can get the vaccine listed again, for the blood cancer called Lupus.  It is an extraordinary gift from the Deity Absolute to Urantia and Ron is fully accrediting that in the book shortly.

"I AM THE DEITY ABSOLUTE - "Ron gives me full credit after Michael of Nebadon and the Universal Father both agreed it was time to release this information.  The book is now in its twelfth rewrite, and I suspect it has to go through two more rewrites because we want changes in it again too.  In any case we did agree to provide actual AIDS vaccines and explanations of what really causes these diseases.

"In all cases Ron was wowed with what he was told to write down as true formulas for the vaccines and otherwise the tinctures required for treating Altzheimers.  He is ready to sit on a pile of thought that makes him ill though, and that is he must not be removed from Urantia until the Sixth Epochal Revelation is handed over to the next generation and he will be fully accredited for causing it to be published now, as he and the Commissioners he formed around himself, and then officially recognized by the Paradise Trinity, and they in turned forced all Commissioners to take their Oath of Service to them while all Commissioners still remained individually in the flesh on Urantia.  Simon and Schuster are the primary publishers of text books in the United States and they are going to be asked by the Paradise Trinity to take the publication of this book on for the world theater of people who believe Simon and Schuster are the right publishers for any important book in the free world.  They are known for integrity and needful concerns for the authors of important books.  ron has included in the Medical Addendum a full explanation as to why the pharmaceutical corporations and clinics will not patent any of these vaccines and he is adamant in that and will force court case after court case to stop it.  However, he will also ask the Congress of the United States to make it illegal to patent or otherwise profit from vaccines fully and freely given to the public and begin curing the most horrible diseases ever known in Nebadon.  I am the Deity absolute and wish all a good day."

GABRIEL OF THE LOCAL UNIVERSE OF HENSELON -  "I am Gabriel of Henselon, and you hear correctly.  I am truly impressed with this man who can dig ditches and stare at the stars and know how they are put together and with appreciation the Deity of God.  I am Gabriel of Henselon, and there is only one Gabriel in each Local Universe, and I am He.  Besides that we have the Gabriels of Avalon. Sensalon, and Wolvering with Gabriel of Nebadon, watching how this post is put together as a momentous occasion got announced by a dust mote called Ron Besser to the rest of us.  We did not know this was pending as an Agenda item before the Contact Commission in York, Pa USA as we know it now.  all of Gabriels salute the Father and the Deity Absolute willing to convene quickly enough to bring this Federation of Local Universes to the attention of all of you.  Ron laughs with us over this ability to speak so well at times, and we greet him someday as one of our Federation Ambassadors to other Local Universes.  We wish you a good day to all! Gabriel of Henselon."

Ron Besser -  I assign my Adjuster to reply to the gracious beings who have addressed me this morning. [Adjuster speaks for me:]  "Ron knows me well enough to assign me to replying to universe Administrators of high rank, and he knows the difference between eloquence and sheer capacity to blast out thank you's without being sure has proper protocol in his face and words.  As such we say this to the attending Gabriels as he laboriously writes this reply.

"I Ron Besser reply to all who have addressed me this morning, I am almost too ill to take any command at times but I am promised full redemption of these things and will not speak further to them at this time.  I am in need of breakfast and heart from other if should be ever be granted to me to receive such.  I am also so proud of the ones who site around my table at 2709 Sunset Lane here and who have contributed so much of their time and gracious good humor with me and for me.  I also thank Gabriel of Henselon for what you have provided this morning to me and will endeavor to be as good for you as I am good for Gabriel of Nebadon and his Creator Son orderly not.  I am grateful to the Existential Deities for their kindness to me and our Contact Commission, and to all who work so well to bring us together and to surprise ever and anon about who shows up at the table to cheer me so much.   I close not with a smphonic challenge but with an Anthem I love to half play and I understand now it is fully dedicated to our Father on High and to each of your Local Universes for what I believe is true and right for our little planet Urantia.

"We are now in our seventh decade of mortal existence and we are running out of fuel to continue very well at this time, but I dedicate all time I have to this Federation. to Nebadon my true home, and to my poor little Urantia for its sad tale of woe in all of this.  My Adjuster and I greet you perfectly from him, and tearfully from me and I am grateful for your good intentions for me and my future. Thank God I got here before you made some mistakes!  Ron Besser of Urantia in the Constellation of Norlatiadek in the Planetary System of once being Satania, but no more that name either."

MACHIVENTA SPEAKS ONE MORE TIME: " I have watched this youngster speak for years without a single person helping him come to the front of the room and offer condolences to Michael for losing his Sons Caligastia and Lucifer.  I am truly afraid he is not understood by most of you, but we have a high Son here, who looks at you and wonders what is in your head  and we see and extraordinary Adjuster blistering us for not paying attention to a strange phenomenon we have never seen on any planet we have ever visited.  Ron represents a new breed of mortal characters who must learn their P's and Q's and he does so without complaint.  He is compliant and wordy at times but he must be because so many do not think without being spoon fed completely.  He is truly without stardom ever an that is his choice as he does not like a lot of attention ever.  But destiny has thrust him onto the stage as our first ambassador from the Federation using Henselon as his starting point as he will arrive in Henselon without fanfare.  And that is the beginning of an extraordinary career for him as Monjoronson foretold a decade ago when he got a whiff of who he was. Fortunately he grew up in Nebadon the closest the Grand Universe has to a free for all in policy making and changes for the better among planets that are dull and ready for exposition as Mighty Messengers and so on.  We conclude this to state I believe Ron will set a precedence in Nebadon to represent a new Order, and we are studying the case greatly and  he leaves no mortal heir except Dominick whom he sees as one with him believe it or not.

"I now present myself for the introduction of what news I shared with the Colorado group directed by Daniel Raphael as good as Ron gets too, but is lofted no more due to his lack of cooperation.  Machiventa Melchizedek." 


2019-2-25, NET #58, Machiventa
New Era Transition #58 – Progress; Monetary Systems; Inequality; Melchizedeks – Feb. 25, 2019
Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manager
A new beginning in the Teaching Mission
Celestials are heartened by the progress being made
A change in concern of individuals toward their world
Imbalance is a motivator for positive social change
Young children can make ethical and moral decisions
Adults must make decisions about their lives
Not making decisions is an act of personal disempowerment
The New Era Transition will continue
A question on democratic republics
Monjoronson’s 3 part mission
The current mission of the NOCO group
Debt based monetary systems
The culture of having “more is better”
We can easily be headed for an era of material prosperity
We are all equal in the eyes of Deity
Inequality must evaporate
Changes in the world since the Urantia Book and the Bible
Personal questions about Machiventa
A question on incarnation
Mortal fusion with Thought Adjuster
Does Machiventa have a partner?
Collective thinking among Melchizedeks
What celestials anticipate for us
TR:  Daniel Raphael, PhD
Team members present:  Roxanne Andrews, Rick Brunson, Craig Carmichael, Liz Cratty, Jeff Cutler and Michael McCray.
Invocation:  Roxie
February 25, 2019
A new beginning in the Teaching Mission
MACHIVENTA:  Good morning, this is Machiventa Melchizedek, your Planetary Manager.  Today is a significant day for us here in the celestial morontial realms, and also in the spiritual realm.  This day marks a new beginning in what you call the Teaching Mission and we call the Correcting Time because there is more movement about in the hearts and minds of people in all Western democratic nations, particularly those centered in the spiritual essence, knowing the God presence exists within them and that they are in touch with that in one way or another.  Many are not, as you know, but none the less are spiritually led in their lives to their advantage.
We are able to mark the developments of organizations, particularly the individuals who participate in organizations as we are seeing changes slowly in the internal movement of those organizations.  You, in the western realm of your civilization notice a slow, very arduous and difficult movement within organizations as they begin to accept the equality of other people, particularly of women.  The inclusion of the feminine gender into organizational decision-making structures and processes is vital to the progress of those organizations and to the integration of societies within themselves.  As organizations are ever present throughout all societies and nations, the individuals who make decisions who are also in touch with their Thought Adjuster consciously or unconsciously, is an important advent for the social change and the energetic changes of your world. 
Celestials are heartened by the progress being made
These are on levels that are very subtle to your own personal awareness.  Many of you have no awareness of this and few of you notice slowly the changes in the news media that you receive.  We are heartened by the progress that is being made.  In the meantime there are many who are kicking and screaming, resisting all of these positive changes of equality.  They would rather seek personal dominance and self-interest to influence decisions in the way they would like to see the world develop.  This in reality is a small minority—or is a minority in most nations—the most obvious majority to us, the one that is well over 60% of any population are the inactive individuals who do not take a stand on the issues at hand, do not make decisions, do not have opinions one way or another and do not act in regard for what you would call righteous decisions for right outcomes; they simply are inactive.  It is because of this inactivity of the dominant population that persistently negative and detrimental actions are able to dominate the course of organizations, and cultures.
A change in concern of individuals toward their world
This too will change.  What is changing that we see is the concern of individuals, of people, individually and collectively, that something is not right in their world; something is not working—not necessarily for their advantage, but for the smooth operation of their societies, communities, their schools and medical care, and so on.  There is obviously something out of step in the United States, as it is politically in a tremendous era of turmoil.  This is something we have not generated.  It is something that we do abhor and do not encourage individuals to sustain or maintain.  Rather, it is a natural development of the powerful on one side and the very un-empowered individuals on the other side; one side is highly moneyed and the other is living on their hopes and dreams. 
Imbalance is a motivator for positive social change
It is this situation of imbalance that is causing many in the middle to be of concern and this is an important motivator for positive social change.  That is where we in the Correcting Time come in to participate with you and to encourage all others to participate even as they sit in their armchairs reading their daily words or their daily spiritual guides, and so on, and their meditation practices to project that energy throughout the world.
Young children can make ethical and moral decisions
From our perspective, your world is not idle.  There is what you call “nothing happening” in your terms, but on our side we see that there is tremendous activity going on in the minds and hearts of people.  Unbeknownst to many middle class people in the United States is that they are not speaking from the parental or grandparent position to their children or grandchildren to help them understand what is occurring in their nation and in their society.  Children are in many ways unaware of the influences around them, but are nonetheless being formed by those influences, and in that situation children are not making choices for themselves.  Children who are 2 or 3 or 4 years past their age of moral decisions are at an age where they can now begin to make ethical and moral decisions for their own lives. 
Parents have not in the main given their children this option of thinking, that if they see a situation that is disagreeable, they have a choice to move away from it, to exit that social environment to one that is either by themselves, or healthy with other people who want peace in their lives too.  It is this influence that is so important in children whether they live in the ghettos or whether they live in multi-story, multi-million dollar homes.  Children have an opportunity to make decisions about the course of their life.  The great disempowerment of children is that few have ever thought of the option of making decisions which are different.  They have simply learned to accept the situation as it is and have not made a moral conscious decision about that.  You as parents have a moral obligation to teach your children this wonderful skill that they can make decisions of their own, to accept what is around them or not.  This is the great dividing influence that children in ghettos and lower class families, even those who lack education have that has enabled them to escape those situations and to rise above their peers in those socio-economic levels. 
Adults must make decisions about their lives
It is important that you too, as adults, know that you have a decision to make about your life.  You can either accept those situations around you, that environment, or you can change your thinking about it.  It is not necessary for you to move away, just as children in the ghettos do not move away; they simply change their thinking and pursue different avenues of interest and self-achievement to help them rise above the level that they came from.  This is a major decision-making process that immigrants have gone through in their movements around the world.  They are seeking a society that allows them and empowers them to make decisions for themselves to grow into their potential in positive and constructive ways. 
Not making decisions is an act of personal disempowerment
In balance of what I have just said, you realize then that 60-65% of your population who has not made a decision is disempowered and they have done so on their own to themselves.  You may say, “Oh, that is unfair, Machiventa; they have never really had the option or given the option to think otherwise.”  And therefore for you, that percentage among us that can make the decision, it is your moral responsibility to teach them how to do that.  Even if that is in a 15 second conversation on the elevator, that is all that many people need to change their minds and change the directions of their lives.  And from the improvement of their quality of life, they can grow, and they can grow into their spirituality because that is where their potential lies.  A great deal of their potential is spiritual, it is social, it is emotional and it is individual.  Once an individual has empowered themselves to make the decision that they want to grow into their potential, they will.
If you have questions regarding this topic, you are most welcome to ask them.
The New Era Transition will continue
Roxie:  At the beginning you mentioned that we have entered into a new phase.  Does that mean that this is the end of the New Era Transition, or will that continue for us?
MACHIVENTA:  My mentioning that does not involve this New Era Transition.  It simply is a change that we have noted in organizations where people who participate in committees and boards of directors, and so on, have begun to see their situation much more differently and that they are much more responsible for the course of the organizations than they had been before.  It is important that these individuals realize that they are the decision-makers along with families and individuals to change the course of their society.
Roxie:  Thank you for clarifying that.
A question on democratic republics
Craig:  Last session I was a little surprised to hear Russia and China being discussed in the same breath.  I know that Russia has gone from being a Communist dictatorship; I thought it is now a democratic republic. Of course we know that all governments are collapsing, but is Russia considered to be a democratic republic in the same sort of way that other democratic republics are?
MACHIVENTA:  The short answer is “no.”  The title of a democratic republic for that country is a façade for the dictatorship of one individual.
Craig:  Okay, thank you.
MACHIVENTA:  For those who are astute and observant of changes within the cultures of China will note as others have only recently, that the thrust of the highest echelons of leadership in China have changed from promoting the economic improvement of their populations to now controlling those populations on an individual basis.  This, if you realize it, is the beginning of their end because as I stated last time, that even those who were under dictatorships, as long as their quality of life is improving and they can grow and they can express some potential within themselves they will tolerate that situation.  But when their lives begin to be controlled individually through identification of their DNA besides their fingerprints, and so on, then you have seen the demise of that leadership.  It may take a decade or more for this to erupt and to evolve into an eruption but it surely will.  As you know, the heart and spirit of humanity is to be free and to be self-determining of their own course in life and their own potential.
Jeff:  I actually have three questions, one of which is only vaguely related to your introductory comments, and that question is this:  In the post cataclysms, what will be the role of poorly educated males?
MACHIVENTA:  This is a topic which is not relevant to our venue today; it is speculative and it will not provide you with any information to guide you in your decisions personally or collectively.
Monjoronson’s 3 part mission
Jeff:  Thank you.  Last December Monjoronson spoke to Valdir Soares and mentioned, “The three part aspects of my mission: the Brotherhood of Man and Women, the establishment of a global government, and the global diffusion of one language.”  It is fair to assume the NOCO group rests in global government, but are there any comments you care to make about where we sit in the overall architecture of that aspect of his mission?
MACHIVENTA:  I take exception that the NOCO group is working on a world government; therefore it does dismiss the other half of your question.  You are most welcome to rephrase your question with that knowledge.
The current mission of the NOCO group
Jeff:  Okay, if we are using words like “Introduction to Planetary Management,” and we are working towards that with the values based decision model and co-creation ideas, if this global government is part of the overall mission of the Correcting Time, are we doing the right thing by our emphasis on the efforts we have right now?
MACHIVENTA:  You definitely are doing the right things by what you are doing right now, using the innate 7 values and the morality and ethics that emanate from those values and using those with other people to develop competent, capable and humane social policies are essential to the work of the Correcting Time.  You mentioned government; government is not a concern of ours in the Correcting Time effort.  The work that we are doing right now in the Correcting Time involves culture change.  We seek to create a culture change within all societies of all people of Urantia.  Within a culture change there are a change of values.  You will find the core of any culture is represented in its values.  When you change the values, you change the culture.  Once you change the values and the culture, then you can think about developing those global holistic enterprises for governance or for economics or for healthcare, education and any of the other major social institutions of any people.  Do not think of our work as being to develop a government; that is a consequence or a development out of our work which will be eventual just as a single language will become eventual.  It is not an issue of immediate concern. 
What we are concerned with particularly in the NOCO group and the work that we are doing in the Correcting Time is to teach people how to make decisions that are socially sustainable, decisions that are ethical and moral, decisions that take into consideration life, equality and growth and the quality of life, the empathy, compassion and love of all humanity in a balanced way so that decisions are not out of self-interest, but other- interest.*  You see, you do not have a word that fits in the middle between self-interest and other interest.  You must begin making decisions that are integrated, decisions that consider both sides of self and mutual and not exclusive so that decisions made by individuals for their own personal life and for raising their children, or those decisions they make while sitting on a board of directors in a mega-corporation, or if they sit on a board of directors with only 3 people in a small company, though there must be an integration or a holism of those decisions that come about from the values that they have for their life and the life of all others.
*[Craig: Machiventa's new term "together Interest" was missed in the
 answer to Jeff's third question.
 " that decisions are not out of self-interest, but together interest."
 So we have "Self Interest", "Other Interest" and the new concept of
 "Together Interest".]

Debt based monetary systems
Jeff:  My last question today is a rather specific one:  Is a debt based monetary system socially sustainable?
MACHIVENTA:  Our advisement is that the debt system of an economy is only one form of economy.  It is sustainable only as long as the culture of indebtedness remains and that the values of power, authority and control are in place.  There will always be those without those embellishments of life.  The answer to your question on another scale is dependent upon what magnitude of thought you are engaging:  What time frame of evolutionary social development you are thinking about in a society.  Ultimately a debt based economy is not socially sustainable; therefore there will be changes along the way that will have an immense effect upon the life and culture of the societies where indebtedness has been a way of life.  On the third level of considering answers to your question, it also engages the difficulty of overpopulation, that there are those who “have” and those who “have not,” that arises from a fact of uneven distribution of the resources of this planet to all people, and available to them equally.  When you have an overpopulated world, you will have indebtedness, you will have positions of authority, control and power which dominate, and you will have those who are weaker, who have disempowered themselves by not having a process that is individual and community based that assists them to participate in the processes of governance.
Your question is very broad in the extreme, and very narrow in one regard in that you are living now in a culture of economic, a financial culture of indebtedness of which all of you are a member and you have accepted and assumed that this is the only way of doing business.
Jeff:  I’m sorry to be so broad and non-specific.  I think part of the purpose of my question is that if we are going to have cataclysms that are going to get worse, it seems to me that currently I am living not too far from the San Andreas fault in Southern California and I’ve been to visit the other day and if there are tectonic plate movements in the future, it seems to me that a tremendous amount of collateral, of debt obligations are going to be destroyed.  The purpose of my question is to find out if it would be desirable to try to pursue other forms of exchange for goods and services, other than just Medieval barter, to step in and suggest to the local communities that they try community banking, or they issue script, or they do something at a local level to facilitate recovery from catastrophes?
MACHIVENTA:  No, it would not be advisable to begin initiating those changes now.  Those changes will come about as circumstances change throughout your world due to the cataclysms and the depopulation of the world.  Just as an individual who may owe a great deal of money and has no assets or reserves upon their debt, then the companies that are owed will simply write that off of their ledgers.  This is one solution, but when you take into account billions of people and trillions of dollars of exchange that occur in a short period of time in your world, those economic financial transactions processes will change.  They must be reinvented.  This topic could develop into quite an extensive discussion, however all processes are inter-related and as your world is now in the process of experiencing cataclysms physically, meteorologically and tectonically—which also includes volcanism—you are only in the beginning stages of this.  There is much concern by those who are in the top 0.1 of 1% of the wealthiest people in the world as they are concerned about this as well.
The culture of having “more is better”
The difficulty in your society is that you have a culture of “more,” that more is better and that you want to get more.  But when you have more, whether it is a million dollars or a billion dollars, or 200 billion dollars, how much more do you need and what then is the significance of the culture of accumulating more money?  Some have taken on the task of using philanthropy to disseminate and distribute this money.  However this is not an equitable process across the world.  What you are thinking of must change in terms of thinking globally, that you must begin to think in terms of options for global solutions that will cut across all political boundaries.  As the times change and circumstances of your world change, there will occur a leveling of all people, culturally, economically, materially, and so on.  There will be eventually more abundance of goods than there are people to use and absorb them; therefore you must come into the creative process of devising a means that is non-financial or simply “something on the books” for you to use. 
What is not measured in your economy now, if you will allow me to continue on, is that you do not have the capacity to measure self-interest.  When you have a world that is equitable in nature, self-interest and ego and fear become very, very paramount and observable in the behavior of individuals by what they are accumulating far beyond what they need.  The process that has happened in your nations, the accumulation of billions of dollars, kroners and lira, and so on, of people beyond what is reasonable to have for their own needs is something that is a cultural development.  There never were options given to people in the beginning of your monetary system for distributing goods and moneys as other options. 
The interest of the future is to sustain sustainable societies, sustainable families, sustainable organizations, and to do that there must be a new economic system that is involved.  The “get more” culture must be dissolved, it must be disempowered, it must be diluted so that it becomes obvious that the more one has, the more service that one provides to their fellow human beings.  This is only fair, is it not?  And fairness is one of the critical elements of personal ethics that is involved in the 7 values.  You see, we have come full circle again to values, the values of a culture, the values of a society, and as you see in many regards in your societies today with its financial and economic systems that are inequitable, and inequitable healthcare and politics, and so on, is that you really truly live in a very primitive society, a society of gross inequality.
Jeff:  Thank you very much for your answer, I appreciate that.
We can easily be headed for an era of material prosperity
Craig:  In recently observing online, that we have all kinds of new tools for perhaps local, or even individual development and creation and production of new products, and so I can see that we can easily be headed for an era of great material prosperity and the facility to have whatever you want, even to custom make whatever you want, and so I can see how materialism will inevitably wane where there is no scarcity of sort of material goods.  I guess that’s not much of a question, but do you have any comments on that?
MACHIVENTA:  Yes, I do and thank you for your comment/statement.  Yes, the value system will eventually have a tremendous influence upon the thinking of individuals and the decisions they make in life.  This is what the Correcting Time is all about, changing the culture to correct the old culture to create a new culture, a new culture of decision-making.  When individuals see themselves as wanting to be more powerful, they are really speaking about their own powerlessness.  They see themselves as not having power and that it is comparative that by having more power, more money and influence that they have more self-worth—at least to themselves.  Whereas other people do not regard their self-worth as increasing to, and in accord with how much money they have. 
We are all equal in the eyes of Deity
When you see this value system beginning to be embedded, then you will see individuals beginning to have consideration of others equally as they consider themselves.  When you begin to see what your financial, economic materialism has done to your societies, it is embellished in creating powerful inequalities among people who are basically the same type of individual, just bigger or smaller, weigh more or weigh less, but still have a mind, two arms, two legs, and so on, that truly all people are equal, and in the view of Christ Michael as your Creator and the First Source and Center, you are all equal and seen no differently from one to another.  There is no appreciation by those of Divine nature for your differences of materiality and sense of self-worth; you are seen as equals and valued equally. 
Inequality must evaporate
Therefore, you can understand Jesus’ comments about the rich and the poor, that there is great difficulty in life for those who are wealthy because their wealth is part of their thinking, and their thinking is governed by their wealth and their needs to have dominance in comparison to others.  This sense of inequality must evaporate, must eventually meet its own demise.  Your nations and your world will never enter into an era of Days of Light and Life where inequality is the dominant value of all people.  There are always enclaves of individuals who sense and feel that life is sacred, that life is special, that it is paramount to all individuals as their equality is equal to other people, as is their growth, quality of life, and so on.  When you see this in operation, then you are seeing the 3 secondary values in operation as well.  There is empathy for those with less.  There is concern and compassion to reach out and assist them—not to give them gifts of money and material prosperity, but to teach them how to improve their skills so they become equally empowered as those who have billions of dollars.  This is the essence of the Correcting Time, this must begin in the families, and this is where the values must be taught and supported and in creative participation with the educational systems of your societies.
Craig:  Thank you.
Changes in the world since the Urantia Book and the Bible
Rick:  Halbert Katzen recently highly recommended a book on prophesy.  It is based on the book in the Bible and the Urantia Book.  It is titled: “Apocalypse Now:  Are We the End Time Generation?”  Machiventa, do you agree with this book’s interpretation of Biblical and Urantia Book prophesies?
MACHIVENTA:  Oh, you want me to take a stand?  (Rick:  Please!)  I will give you a statement, but I will not draw a line in the sand.  Your world has changed immensely from the times when John wrote “Revelations.”  Your world has changed immensely since the Urantia Book was copyrighted.  Your world has changed so much since the inauguration, and the actual, physical, spiritual bonding between your world and our world in the form of the Correcting Time.  Our presence became known to you approximately 35 years ago and has increased since then.  To answer your question, it would be most difficult to agree with that book.
Rick:  Thank you, Machiventa.
Personal questions about Machiventa
Liz:  We have been discussing very weighty issues for years now, and I am wondering if there is time left at the end of our session if you would entertain a personal question, or two?
MACHIVENTA:  I would love to.
Liz:  Great!  So can you tell me, do you work in an office or a command center?  (Laughter from the group.)  Do you go home at night?
MACHIVENTA:  One question at a time, please.  Yes, I do have an office.  It is a morontial office.  I cannot even describe it as a parallel universe.  I cannot even describe it as parallel dimensions that exist on your world.  It is here, it is among you, it is where I go to meet with others, and yes, we do have conference “rooms”—these do not have a physical nature to them and they do have the wonderful nature that we can expand them upon the need to, so that we can hold 4 or 5 people, or maybe 4000-5000 people (celestials), or more if needed.
Your second question is most intriguing, at least from your perspective and my own, is that I do take time off.  Home is on Edentia for me as one of my residences, and the other is on Salvington, so that I have the capacity to be in either one of those, or here.  It is important that you do know that I do take time apart, that I as a Melchizedek am a created being through the influence of Christ Michael and Father Melchizedek, and that I am in need of regeneration, time away, time for reflection and time to go into my own form of meditation with the Holy Father of All, to grow in my insight as I evolve as well.  It is not that I am going to make some graduation ceremony as you do when you fuse, but I nonetheless evolve as you evolve.  The evolution of Melchizedeks is a very carefully orchestrated process.  It is well known among all orders of Melchizedeks.  Therefore, my time apart is very sacred to me, and that I use it when I am able to.  I do try to take 1/3 of my time apart away from work, and as most of my work is also social in nature.  I enjoy the social company of other Melchizedeks and all spiritual and other beings who work with us.  Home for me is that place of respite, that time apart, that time for being still and being in oneness with the Father.
A question on incarnation
Liz:  Thank you; that was very interesting!  And so my next question—and I won’t take up too much time with these personal questions, although I think it is good for all of us to get to know you personally a little bit better—when you incarnated on Urantia, have you done that many times?  And were you nervous?  (Laughter.)
MACHIVENTA:  I am enjoying the play you are having in your mind about asking these questions.  (Machiventa is laughing.)  Yes, to answer your questions, and please keep them simple or separated for the mind mechanism of This One that I work through. I have incarnated more than once, and each time I have done so, it is one with anticipation.  There is no nervousness about that.  It is with the same assuredness that you will have, with the same lack of nervousness, it will be with the same confidence and the same knowingness that you will have with anticipation when you fuse.  You will anticipate it, you will look forward to it with wonderment and excitement and joy. 
Mortal fusion with Thought Adjuster
And once you are fused, then you will have a time—an immense time if you need—to integrate yourself and your Thought Adjuster on all levels of your new being.  So too, when a Melchizedek incarnates for the first time, it is very similar to you arriving in a foreign city where you step off the airplane and step right into a crowd of people, and you must take time apart for yourself, take a breath, see your surroundings, think about where you are, what you are going to do, why you came there and how you are going to approach the next two minutes.  So too, when you incarnate, but for us who incarnate there is already a devised plan in mind, there are already the alternative options to circumstances which may arise that almost always do occur.  The main option is to engage the mission of why you are incarnate, and this is the dominating force for moving forward and meeting the people with whom you will be teaching.
Does Machiventa have a partner?
Liz:  Thank you; that was very interesting and so the last question I have for today is: Mortals, such as we, come male and female, and angels have partners. Christ Michael and Nebadonia are partners.  Do you have a partner?
MACHIVENTA:  No, Melchizedeks operate when there is more than one they operate in associations, in a single-minded collaboration, so to speak.  This is what gives the Melchizedeks such great flexibility and adaptability to almost all circumstances on all planets, that there is a partnership between the self and the All, without losing the unique individuality of the individual Melchizedek from being swallowed up by the whole of all others.  This would be untenable in all regards and not very useful for the spiritual evolution of the individual.  Having a partner does provide options to thinking.  We, however, operate in those associations—sometimes close associations. 
Collective thinking among Melchizedeks
You have oftentimes heard me speak in terms of “we.”  When I use the third person “we” pronoun, it is a means of describing that we are a thinking collectively that are now providing an answer to you. This gives us the most reason and thoughtful, logical and creative solutions and answers to your questions and to the situations at hand.  As you can see this is a necessary and requisite skill and faculties of the Melchizedek mind to be able to engage the management of the world.  I am not the first Melchizedek to be a Planetary Manager.  There have been others on other creator universes as this one.  We have that collective knowledge through undescribed channels to us—undescribed to you—channels of communication to us that provide us with these insights that are then applicable to the worlds in which we manage.  I am fortunate to have had the “partnership” of many millions of individuals throughout the tenure of my existence, and I am looking forward to the development of the billions of minds that will develop on Urantia who become more evolved in their spirituality and their oneness with their Thought Adjuster within.
Liz:  Thank you very much, Machiventa.  That’s all of the questions that I have today, but I hope you will welcome further personal questions at the end of our sessions in the future.
MACHIVENTA:  Thank you.  I digress from discussing my dietary needs, though.  (Laughter from the group.)
Liz:  Okay, noted.
Craig:  Thank you very much!
Roxie:  Machiventa that was very interesting; thank you.
MACHIVENTA:  Are we ready to close?  Then let us begin the closing.
What celestials anticipate for us
What we anticipate truly lies in the hearts and minds of each of you, that joy of understanding, that peace that is beyond comprehension to you, know that wonderment of engagement with your Thought Adjuster, the sense of oneness with all people through that inner connection within you.  You truly are one when you begin to think of yourself in co-creative union with your Thought Adjuster.  This is the very essence, the beginning of joy in knowing other people, of engaging them and getting to know them better, to form that bond which creates a team of humanity.  You are one with us when you reside in that special sacred space.  It does not need to occur during prayer or meditation or contemplation, but can occur simply at a stoplight or when you look down at your grocery list in the grocery store wondering what to do next.  It occurs when you open your mind to the presence of goodness and joy and satisfaction of life and living, the capacity to make decisions that are yours that determine the course of your future and for you that have families and children to guide the course and direction and development of your children.  You truly are the beginning of the new generations, just as Abraham and Sarah were the generators of new generations, and were told that there would be so, so too you are the progenitors of generations to come who will know life far more peacefully, far more satisfactorily and far more full of joy than you have now.  In this regard, we anoint you, we bless you and we see the light within you glow towards us.  We love you!  Good day.

General Discussion / Re: French Website under construction
« on: March 18, 2019, 09:00:11 PM »
Very nice web site Antonio.

Just one thing I would request of you.  We do not want trouble from the fifth epochal revelation when it comes to symbols.  The three concentric circles are possible trouble.  See if you can find another emblem to replace the three concentric circles graphic you used.

If you use Google images to find emblems enter the keyword spirit emblems or here is one for instance that is circular that would fit your design I think   Just click on the middle of thar reference below and hopefully you get it.

If it does not work not to worry but find something like a  Shield of the Shepherd,  or the shield of glory or = = = well you name it.  Just stay away from the concentric circles.

I really like the concept and arrangement of your site.  Keep up the good work.


You are correct White Stone, and good for picking up that to consider being assigned a new Constellation organization goes against the grain of universe organization as we were taught in the Urantia Book.  You speak to it succinctly.  That is why Michael sought clarification and why I think we have to read between the lines. 

If you will recall in the Paper on the planetary transitions and universe transition into the Light and Life epochs, it is the Supreme Being's actualize presence in the time universes now 100 percent in Light and Life , that the Supreme designates all natural Local Universe borders dissolved.  It seems that the Supreme has categories only he can resolve for what we may, as time beings, learn to call groups and clusters of these units without formal borders anymore.  Michael likely knows what the Supreme will call these new constructions, and I assume must ask permission to use some of that to name what is happening to our own local space area.  XYZ as I showed is very simple, but the hierarchy in a developing degree of Supremacy is billions of years too early to use Supreme designations for what has occurred here.
Now, as far as Poeta is concerned:  I too wonder why some things get dictated and to us confusingly so.  I have no reason to give you why that was linked to you if, as you say, it means nothing to you.  When these faux pas' occur it is best to admit they mean nothing and move on.  Thank you for pointing out the truth.

Finally, I am not easily irritated but I do mind getting involved with statements which criticize without being totally aware of what is operating in all transmissions, and in mine particularly, as God the Supreme is premierally active in me due to the fact I have some fusion issues in the Supreme and they do not sit comfortably in a mind that is mine to use only in the material realm right now.  Those Supreme connects are a mystery to me and those same connections royally screw me up at times both to those admissions of transmitted truth and unhappy consequences I suffer because of them.  You have no way to understand the battles for those of us who get so much information the Supreme tries to rescind in us due to the fact we get ahead of Supreme development in the Supreme itself.  It is quite a planetary issue and I am unfortunate enough to be the first to show the problem to our Local Universe Sovereign, Michael of Nebadon.  Truly I do not mind having errors pointed out, but some sensitivity should be developed as to why they may occur to you as errors and not to me sometimes.  I make no further issues of it for now.

SUE WHILEY, you concur with White Stone but are nice enough to let me look bad for readability in fact better than things like spelling.  I likewise thank you for being sensitive, more so, than the usual person because you alone know the problem of speaking without a limb to stand on sometimes and yourself wonder what do you have a hold of that is so hard to put down on paper.  I do not complain about that problem either, but all need to understand I work under disabilities most of you would not participate in ever, such is the horror of near blindness and a blood problem that decapitates my ability to walk easily at all.  My job is to pass on changes since the Urantia Book was written, and I need a bevy of secretaries to work with my output but I do not have that pleasure yet.  Thank you for showing you do care and that it is irritating for errors I make but recoverable in spite of them.


MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "You Sue miss the boat so often we are congratulating you on learning that Ron has disabilities including dyslexia now to the point he has to continuously correct wording because of it reversing of letter in the brain first.  He corrects easily when he catches them but the work is intense and hurried every day for him.  You reach that level once in a while and you wonder why you bother as he does.  However, the problem we now face is that he is under constant attack from God the Supreme who fails to understand that he operates near the a full morontial level while living on earth and it creates terrible requirements to keep Ron's feet on the ground.  It happens daily now and he is truly outraged at the results sometimes.  In any case, Sue, learn that you and Ron will be working together truly and that your presence in the Untied States can happen so long as you stop playing the fop and learn to be truly useful again in these transmissions as you provide excellent transmissions when you allow them.  It can harm your chances to fail to pay attention to what is to be done by you for the care of Ron's own view he suffers no fools in spite of bad spelling.  He is a power house soon in that God the Supreme, in spite of Ron yelling at Him to get out of mischief with Ron, is ready to grant him a full pardon for the heartsick view that nothing he does grows well enough to accomplish the work of God on Urantia.  That will change yet it takes a few more weeks or days to accomplish that for him, and if for him, for you too as well as all fused humans at this point.

Lemuel has saved the day for Ron several times already this year to help with the costs of running this web site and all he has to spend for to get paper and ink and publishing's out of the door.  If he had ten Lemuel's expenses could be paid down well but he has one and thank goodness for that!  I also point out that Lemuel fails to understand his own nature and cries more than he should over issues that will dissipate but he does not know that and Ron is battling a truly nasty Supreme Being that will not release his life to him at all and no one on Urantia shall ever suffer that again!

"I conclude this to White Stone.  Ron admires your intelligence and knowledge of the text known as the Urantia Book.  Do you realize White Stone, Ron has written about 12 long Papers that are included in concept form in the new SER?  That has never happened on any planet in my Local Universe of Nebadon, and I refuse to leave him in the spot he must suffer all the time.  These past seven days have been very harsh on four individuals sitting around his dining room table to learn the protocols of dealing with incarnated beings.  They left exhausted and Ron was exhausted yet he had to deal with God the Supreme once they left and is still upset this morning over these issues.  You White Stone are an up and coming person to help field God the Supreme onto Urantia, and if Ron survives the moment, he will be there to prevent you from learning the wrong way to move among the elite of the coming Magisterial Mission human personnel.  Ron has that in charge already but must battle things you will never see or hear for yourself and thank goodness for that too.

"I close with this:  you White Stone catch the problem caught with my problems with a borderless organization of five Local Universes right now.  Ron has not bothered to explain why five local universes had to be band together and knock down their administrative borders.  I know Ron purposefully declined to explain a very important aspect no one seems to realize, and he feels as I do, no one really cares on this list to know it' but it is this:

"Nebadon is a powerhouse of nomenclature.  As such it carries huge reserves of experience no one else has dealing with crime and sedition.  Other Local Universes around Nebadon are also rich in experiential times, and together we form an immense powerhouse that cannot be duplicated anywhere else in time.  I asked the Father permission to grant we five Local Universes a change to combine our administrative work with each other and changes occurring in our local areas of influence.  Ron is quite aware as you should be that no Local Universe like we are is ready to begin Light and Life yet.  I have exactly five planets that have entered early phases of Light and Life for them, and yet I hear nothing from them with regard to problems they face undergoing the work of God the Supreme on the.  Ron has reached a plateau of work for us on Urantia that is frankly spiritual in some cases and almost always morontial.  No one else on Urantia has reached that ability, and it is driving God the Supreme to recognize Ron for his work on his level that the Supreme cannot compensate for.  As a result Ron receives "attacks" by God the Supreme where he has objects around him dematerialized.  It drives Ron up the wall and we understand why.  But Ron reacts violently to these so call attacks and give no quarter and makes it ten times worse and he just will not tolerate these thefts any longer and lets them know it is, in his view, evil.  We happen to agree with Ron on that very issue.  All of this leads to the explanation that Nebadon is a source of experimentation that leaves other Local Universes wondering why things like that do not happen to them?  Well such things would happen to them IF they understood what Michael of Nebadon has always tried to do:  eat his lunch as it is being cooked.

"I have several good reasons for doing that, but then along comes Ron, and he states to Me, why do we not prepare the material world for a spiritual mission that is incarnated before they get here?  I said, why not?

"The only problem that arose is that God the Supreme never ever did a spirit mission that was before and balked at the idea it was a good idea at all.  But it is a good idea and Ron has put it together very nicely; however, now God the Supreme factually cannot determine its worth because the Universal Father decreed the idea workable and Ron now sits at the apex of two power centers on Urantia:  1 --  the material work of formal corporations to handle our input into human society;  2 - - the ability to reap the benefits of personal satisfactions (if the Supreme ever lets him do that) of serving in a material capacity that brings a satisfaction of service never recognized on a material planet before. 

"I am helpless to prevent the attacks the Supreme launches against Ron at his table or trying to sleep and cannot due to the pain inflicted by an unrelenting angelic corp that refuses him all comfort there.  They are not evil to themselves, but to Ron they are an evil band of women in his views that cook the books too much.  I have to stay aside while the Supreme does his bad work because of things Ron never realizes about God the Supreme--  He is too slow yet to allow abnormally quick and original changes happen at all and Ron has instituted such changes for me on Urantia.

"Now, all of that said, remember White Stone, you are pouring out invectives Ron recognizes to be true.  But he has no time to change that which the Supreme moves in and messes up for him.  fully twelve percent of the errors you see are caused by God the Supreme crossing brain wires in his head and he know everyone but does not have the time to keep going back and correct and correct and correct.  You would get a lot less output if he did all of them.  I close with the idea that Nebadon still has barriers up for our realization of our own purposes and the life forms in each Local Universe are greatly different from each other in most cases.  Only Nebadon has the horse!  Only Avalon has a discriminatory Elk that can run sixty miles an hour yet faint at the site of blood on one in the herd.

"Ron correctly laughs at that description, yet I know it is true as I have observed them with the help of the Creator Son of Avalon, and so it goes for the others in our new what every you call it.   Our work is Supreme and not Ultimate but Ron approaches Ultimacy as I do as I wonder why Ultimacy is so difficult to comprehend even by my band of spirit helpers.   Last but not least:

"The past seven days in York, those meetings went on to the point that Dominick had to get up and stand awhile; Gossett had a Crone's attack, and Steven Gitz started to daydream so bad Ron had to stop and ask if he ever heard what Ron said?  Steven did not hear what Ron said and had to spend t en minutes relearning what he did not the first time.  Ron considered the work essential to all of them including himself, and Ron actually came up with the term Round Robin to teach them all the courtesy of transmitting rapidly and efficiently what the Gods wished the transmitters wanted them to say to people at that table.  It works so well I will institute it elsewhere too.  He is a power house of ideas, and we must keep him available.  That book on AIDS will generate a fight we feel sure in the medical profession.

"I wish you all a good day.  Michael."

"I am sure Ron knows nothing about how God the Supreme can get up set.  Well, He does!  Ron is a pain in the neck to administer too and I catch the raw edge of his tongues when I surreptitiously de-materialize objects around him.  Last night I de-materialized his address stamp when he sat down to do his bills to mail.  This morning I de-materialized his work on his own behalf for himself and let be have it again.  You have no idea what it is to lose memory and material objects you need including two sets of his car keys to the only car he owns now.  In any case realize I do it not on my own volition but have a band of about 60 angels who do the work for me in that department and they get busy on Ron when he least expects what he calls an attack.  I am sure Dr. Sadler had a few moments of scare too as he was subject to the same thing in lesser form than Ron is.  Ron has no real reason to be living on Urantia, except he asked the Father to remain long enough to accomplish some work of the Magisterial Sons on Urantia.  That was granted but no one thought to ask me and I would have refused Ron the position.  However Michael intervened and said he wanted Ron in position too, and so he stayed.  I am never sure what my authority is since I am too undeveloped for someone like Ron to work this way easily, but Ron makes up for it by being a good God the Supreme person and lets me indwell incessantly to learn the figures and the numbers for such creativity we have seldom seen in the Local Universe.  I am still wondering how Ron found Dominick in the millions that come before Ron to choose who works for Me and the Magisterial Sons too.  It is quite a talent when someone on his level can say to a man like Dominick, boy do you have something!  And he is right and Dominick from the Supreme's point of view is one lucky dog to have Ron anywhere near and around him, as it will work like a charm when Ron realizes that Dominick now refuses to work anywhere else but in York when he can afford to do so with the help of the Magisterial Sons. I am God the Supreme and wish all a good day."



White Stone,
You are not correct about the broadening concept.  What that Creator Son was telling us is that amalgamation is not the expansion as shown in another post in another thread where  drew boxes to illustrate the difference.  Hensalon or Henselon which is the UB spelling,  is recognized by me as a variant.  I took the dictation with the a in it as also done with the a in it as Sensalon.  If they wish to correct it let them do it.  I am a scribe only in these matters and yes, I do notice things like this. and yes I pass on the way I receive the words.  I rather talk about the facts instead of being blamed for what you may think are mistakes sometimes.

Gilium was spoken to several weeks ago in several posts using the term and was named as the amalgamation which Michael called Gilum then and now.

The Contact Commission was awarded a peek at the new formation that goes beyond an amalgamation however.  They chose then to remove the name Gilum as it now apples no longer.  Please understand that the amalgamation was an entity of its own and was prepared by Paradise to be seen as a separate space construction called Gilium.

But Michael of Nebadon discovered that Paradise inadvertently assigned only four local universes to be in Gilium.  Michael objected and Paradise told him he had to reconstruct the space design of the amalgamated Local Universe, and if he wanted more than four local universes in it then he had to form a new construction, that he had to form a brand new constellation as that is how the Master Architects of time and space saw any local universe expansions into one to be done so (i.e. to constellation status)and if so, Michael was to abandon the amalgamation if he wanted five or more in the new unit.

Now I wish to point out that the mortal view is that the term constellation as the Urantia Book uses it, is composed of  Planetary Systems and not Local Universes.  The Creator Sons know this and so does the Father, and Michael has appealed the case not to call XYZ a Constellation, but the name of a Light and Life Universe agglomerates.  So far the Supreme has not recognized the design Nebadon and four other Local Universes have created.  So Michael of Nebadon must repair to Paradise to find out what is decreed right now as a new Constellation, and as such, should be called what a Supreme Construction not yet revealed to time and space.  That is where we really stand this week on the matter.

Michael of Nebadon - "White Stone, as usual you leap before you think and it will cost you if you are not more careful.  Ron sees the chip on your shoulder and it comes from your frustration with Ron on his inability to totally overcome his dyslexia.  May you never catch it!  In any case your tone is of a spoiled child lecturing the parent over their total inability to fully surround you with all the needs you have at present.  Ron just spent seven straight days with meetings of 10 hours or more each day to clear the rubbish from their minds over who is doing what and who helps to do it.  Ron is bombarded with plans and no resources and today we promised much and still could not deliver what he felt he owed to those at the seven day straight of meetings that would peel most of you off into the funny farm they are so concentrated.  In any case think before you criticize and it will go much smoother for you in the future.  Michael of Nebadon."

Mother Spirit of Nebadon =  " White Stone, Ron recognizes you as to your relationship with your brother whom Ron knew as Poeta.  Poeta shot himself in the foot a charged nothing for photos Ron was willing to pay a small monthly stipend to receive and he quit before he started.  Watch your tone of response and think before your leap about situations that do not need correction but better understanding of a transmitter.  Mother Spirit."


Clency, please look again.  These numbers represent LOCAL UNIVERSES and not Superuniverses.  The XYZ box will have five local universes in it with no borders as administrative work from mostly now on.  They still retain their individual government to pursue their purposes for every Local Universe has their own purpose to work out with God the Supreme, but they can share Melchizedeks and Angels and a lot of other kinds of entities we do not know about, with each other.  Now Avalon can share angels with us without having to issue a passport if they share one of their angels with Nebadon to get some work done that has piled up on all of these capitals.

The XYZ name is not revealed yet.  God the Supreme probably has a lot to do with naming the new space entity this borderless design is.  It is the first time several Local Universes, in any Superuniverse, had become borderless to each other's administrations ever and all of the universes will be watching to see how this might work.  We are waiting for a name and I used the letters XYZ to stand for what will come later in this year to know what they call it.

The number of Local Universes in this new entity XYZ for now are Hensalon, Sensalon, Wolvering, Avalon, and Nebadon.

It is designed to last in Nebadon and the others until they enter Light and Life, Clency.  thanks for your question.  Ron

MICHAEL OF NEBADON = "Clency did you have some wine?  That is the worst misunderstanding you have every shown.  We ask all to stop drinking if you are going to participate with Q and A on the forum here.  I personally know that a few of you do a lot of it and enjoy chatting while sipping your wine and other kinds of tastes when going through the postings here.  If you are ever going to understand the changes you are going to have to keep your mind clear and wine is the worst habitual habit one can get into as it really dulls the senses totally.  My best to you all this day and beyond.  Michael."



The Magisterial Sons announced today a change in Local Universe Organization.

Nebadon has received approval from Paradise to end their amalgamation with other and surrounding Local Universes where they tentatively shared their partnerships together to swap personnel to help run their respective universes with each other's help.

Paradise announced through Master Spirit Five, that hence forth the amalgamated universes so far would drop their territorial borders with each other a fully join as one administrative unit.  The amalgamation was called Gilum.  The new borderless space object now must rename itself in accordance with the Supreme practice of naming new units whatever God the Supreme assigns to it.  For now we elect to just call it XYZ until a name is given to it.

The graphic below should explain this action and what it is clearly for you.  Thank you.
Michael of Nebadon

Day 6 information is continued to day 7.

Agenda is large and must be carried over.

Today accomplished three Board of Director Meetings placing Dominick Orhbeck on two corporate Boards of Director as part of the ongoing assignments to provide these subsidiary organizations competent reviews of policy coming out of the Magisterial Foundation.

We received a list of protocols when humans deal with incarnated Deity or divinity.  I will post the protocols with permission of Monjoronson when I have time to review all that has been provided today.  right now my list has 17 items.

Round Robin practice instituted today.  A Round Robin is when a radio transmitter starts to transmit practice sessions to many other transmitters with the understanding the test is a round robin exercise.  The practice transmitter connects to as many as 100 or 10 or at least 5 transmitters located in distant places and the object to make it a closed circuit where the testing transmitter receives back from many transmitting stations the identical test message routed through those antennas to determine the testers signal strength and its ability to receive good messages from the outlying transmitters.  We in the United States simply refer to this as round robin testing.   Today we introduced the same thing to the Contact Commission by asking the universe to take new transmitters sitting at our meeting table to start messaging them and to take turns around the table with no prompting by the Chair until he calls the round robin off.  We successfully test four rounds non stop and I personally was very well pleased how it went.  Al least we proved all at the meeting could transmit on the spur of the moment and well.

MICHAEL OF NEBADON = "I told Ron to makes the test and it went off very well.  Each member at the table freely transmitter unknown assigned teachers when the transmissions went off for them to receive without them knowing who or how long or what subject.

"I also saw Ron wince when Mother Spirit hit him unexpectedly too and he did just fine.  And we report further more that Dominick Ohrbeck successfully practiced with a full Paradise Father connection very well and it was of considerable length as a benediction to the group.

"We concluded the day with nothing more than to continue the draft Agenda for this day into the final and 7th day of the Contact Commission meeting.

The Local Universe of Avalon stopped in and spoke to each member in a round robin test of their own in Avalon while these were going on in York in the Local Universe of Nebadon.


4th Day/Day 4 of Meeting Contact commission Summary link here:

Day five of these drawn out meetings is made sense of if you are sure you understand what happened on Day four and I put the link there for you to take a peek again if you like to.

These Contact Commission meetings are at times difficult and hard to swallow even by the Commissioners.  Day Five seems easy but it is full of news we have a hard time explaining unless you are there too.  We hold not meetings in secret, but often what we speak to is secret because exact dates get named for certain things to happen.  Day 5 is full of dates to happen first, and full of thoughts we do not express directly to the forum because , in some cases, the conceptual decisions have never been fully discusses on the this debate forum.

In most cases it is up to me to determine how long the meetings last and where we go in reporting what is to be done when the Magisterial Mission is opened for the public welfare.  Day 4 was hard to put together with a summary and I see it has inspired no comments.  That is find but odd.  Day 5 is just as esoteric as that day was except we cut the meeting for day five (5) short during the day, and reconvene this evening at 7PM EDST.   That is to afford the participants a bit of a rest before we tackle what we must this evening for a change.

I am being asked by the powers-to-be to keep this summary short because there are about 2 or 3 hours yet to go with this day's meeting before it is over but I now have the time to look over what has happened so for and write it out briefly for your mutual interest with your won need to learn that we are not going to produce a day six or seven is summary forum until permission is granted to speak to six and seven at all.  I leave those comments alone for now and report to you that Day Five, today, is soon done later tonight when we determine the next set of meetings in York, proper to take place.  further we need to take lectures and toss them out for the remained of today and concentrate on the well being of Urantia as our next concern for these Missions, and that includes not just a Magisterial Mission, but a renewed Michael Mission. 

The Proposed Renewed MICHAEL OF NEBADON MISSION fyi:
The Contact Commission will renew its dedication to serve Michael at the same time the Magisterial Sons, (See Paper 20 and other places in the present Urantia Book to define why and how they are used on a planet), and that is for all of you to learn about later, as we need to clear the deck for Reasons of State, to learn our new places in the Magisterial Deities minds, as we work hard but without largess on the planet just yet.

What I am talking about is still new to me, but our session this evening and for Days Six and Seven (6 and 7, is to replace ourselves with something even more exciting if that is possible.  Says 7 and 7 are filled with new instructions to us about changing the idea of the Contact Commission to an obverse factor of what we are doing now and to make ourselves available to other places not only in Nebadon.  Today I spoke as a transmitter of the First President of the Untied States, Georg Washington, and Alexander Hamilton, the First Treasurer of the United States, and this evening likely there are others of the Presidential Commission rounding out tonight's meetings.  If you think there is some importance to suddenly hearing from the Founding Fathers of the Untied States, you are not wrong.

Before I close for the day, I want you all to know we summarized the views of our meetings to this point and I am doing Day Five while I have the time to speak to Day Five.  Our work commences in a few hours from now and I am ready to learn just what Michael has in mind for a renewed Michael Mission on Urantia and what that means again for the our Commission, which is your Commission too.  I will inform as much as I can sooner than later.

Thank You
Ron Besser for Michael and the Magisterial Sons.

MACHIVENTA MELCHIZEDEK,   Planetary Prince once more!

"Once more, I am an acting Planetary Prince much to my surprise and Ron laughs smugly as he writes this dictation from me which I was not supposed to do, but when writes well he never misses the opportunity to mention all of the spirit family that belongs to all of you to recall as your universe family at all times.

"I am telling you no fib.  I am the new Planetary Prince, and Ron and the Contact Commission are not longer under my direct care and the Commission is assigned to the Mother Spirit on High, (Havona) and Ron is directly under Michael of Nebadon again.  Most of you who read this were under the Planetary Prince Lanaforge for sometime.  We as a Melchizedek Corp are now directly under the guidance of the Might Trinity of Paradise and must report directly to them and not to the Michael Corp oi ascenders known as Finaliters of yore.

"The entire Finaliter Corp has been removed from Urantia in a surprise move by the Deity Absolute.  That Corp number 5,000 (five thousand) individual Finaliters.  Ron capitalizes them yet and I am happy as he does because we think the book went too far without capitalization, and frankly, Finaliters are so close to being Deity anyhow, they need capitalization of their Order an Names as we Melchizedeks do. 

"In making my final statement, Ron is completely surprised by this as you should be, but Ron does not realize that Nebadon is now a fully amalgamated SuperLocalUniverse (SLU), and I am remanded back into the custody of Nebadon no more but report directly to the head of Cilium (still pronounced "Gill' Yum").  Ron was told to spell it with two "L's" but we want one "L" now.

"For now the Contact Commission will have to grapple with the fact they have been demoted to a sandbox of action called the SER and then to be moved in a more exalted position with the Magisterial Sons, AFTER they deal writing a new book of Periodic Revelation, and that is to start immediately Ron for your first chapter to be dictated by the new Melchizedek Order of Perceptual Beings called Mantutia Melchizedek and Mother Spirit on high, the Original Melchizedek Father, of the masculine function, now of the feminine function on behalf of Urantia.


"Our work with the Contact Commission is slightly curtailed for the moment, and Ron you have your work cut out for you as you are going to produce another book for Phyllis Simpson (Newstarsaphire) to be the text editor or transformational formatter for immediate publication on the book store you used in the past, Kindle and as a paper back under the auspices of the URANTIA PUBLISHING INTERNATIONAL (EIN 47-3524071), ad Ron you are to write the chapters as it has to be done quickly and fully and without attenuation. I am formerly the Urantia and Nebadon Father Melchizedek asked to take on the lead as a Creative Spirit designed to be the Creative Spirit of Gilium, as the Father wishes to head Gilum until it is a settled Constellation not. but a SLU in the truest sense.  Father institutes a new formation of Local Universes with this signal to God the Supreme, that all things which consists of Gilium and or Andover, as Avalon and Wolvering and Hensolon are forming their own SLU.  Nebadon is now amalgamated with Sensalon and Sensalon alone, east of the old borders of Nebadon. 

"I am the true and Original Mother Spirit of Havona, and the Father Melchizedek on Urantia was not the Original Creator Son, but Creator Son Number Two, such was the importance of Urantia to the dreams of the Father to make it a super sensory arm of Paradise which the Contact Commission now signifies as a creation of Father beings and Father ascenders only.  Ron represents a departure of this plan mostly because he read a revelation far too advanced for most beings on Urantia still today and is now ascending under the guise of the  Paradise Trinity.  His expansion of knowledge and know how has expanded so far as to include the Magisterial Son SERARA saying he is the equivalent of a Melchizedek in personification already. 

"We have gone through all of this to announce that the Contact Commission is far from being rescinded. but it will be tied back to do an epochal revelation before the SER itslef and that epochal revelation carries not number as it is prior to the SER being distributed later this year and earlier than proposed by a recent announcement on this site earlier.  Those of you who have requested the SER will first receive the UER One Hundred Fifteen revelation which stands for the Urantia Epochal Revelation 115.  I have here the Creator Son of Hensalon who declines to be calle d Michael but father Himself."

"We now breach etiquette and allow you to know that the Creator Son of Hensalon is right now the Universal Father.  We are not broadening the SLU Nebadon-Sensalon into the SLU of Nebadon, Sensalon, Hensalon, and Wolvering combined into a new name of amalgamation not a SuperLocalUniverse type, but a new CONSTELLATION, and that Constellation is to be called [censored].  We will announce that name and number brand new from the Paradise List of Names for us to use.  This is more like a marriage than a local universe amalgamation and much more is forthcoming in the new book the Contact Commission will write for Nebadon users on Urantia only.  Gilum is no longer the name and the Contact Commission is no longer the Contact Commission.

More revelation is to follow.

Ron - "This transmission was made from Paradise and I am still trying to untangle the connections in my head to expand it enough to hear all the right players to speak.  The Contact Commission is now under the Paradise Trinity, and I suppose that is Margul over us directly in some way.  We have our work cut out for us the 16th and 17th of March if we can get it all done at that too.  For now good day.
Ron for the assembled Deities of Hensalon, Avalon, Sensalon, and Nebadon including the Paradise Father and Welmek and Paul of Tarsus and we will provide one little song for you Ron, eat quickly and be done by seven ten as they are delayed until then as they are getting it good in their rooms of rest and you listen.  K


4th Day of the Contact Commission. Thursday 14 March 2019, York, PA.
This day is hard to summarize mainly because it was a practice session more than anything to learn how to Chair meetings like this as leaders of other meetings held in the interest of the Contact Commission, or Commissioners, themselves.

We are learning from the spirits of God that since the Contact Commission is not only going to produce periodic and epochal revelation for future publishing, we also represent the functional interests to selected municipal governments as to precisely what plans the Magisterial Mission will foster that will have some effect on the government involved.

These concerns result in two major ways for the Magisterial Mission to reach out to various levels of community government from the State level down to the small village or Borough level, not only in Pennsylvania but with surrounding States and perhaps nationally depending on the need.  The requirement to be able to conduct our own meetings as invitation to communities must also be consider as outreach to the public for educational purposes.  This requires that all members of the Contact Commission be capable of production of business like meetings with or without the Robert's Rules of Order  is essential.

Today's meeting at 2709 Sunset Lane in York, used the exchange of moving the chairmanship to various members of the Commission and to actually run the Commission meeting up to one hour with divine instructions to do that.  I must say every member who was trialed with that assignment surprised me as to how well they did with really good natural talent to do it and transmitted some instructions to the group I learned from as well.

In addition to these sessions for future uses of Contact Commission members how to learn to chair a meeting, we used the time as well to learn who was going to fill what position to get the Magisterial Mission move in actual walk in offices in York.  further, it was revealed today to the Commission which members will take charge of what function for human participation in the Magisterial Mission.  Briefly, it was provisionally shown that:

Steven Gitz will be chief of the York Pre-Particle Technologies Corporation, and act as co-chair inside the Rayson Corporation for human assignments to the factory that will fabricate new machine with new technologies for world use of clean water and sewage plant building and output; t o provide machinery for the technologies of air transportation and fuels for the use of non carbon fuels to power their engines.  Seven Gits is a high powered graduate of the Louisiana college system as a nontechnical engineer as well as an entrepreneur in various self-employed businesses, providing him an excellent resume to take this on for the Magisterial Son, Rayson.

Larry Gossett is provisionally assigned to work in the office of Social Responsibility and Issues and is well known to the Magisterial Sons to provide solutions disagreements both in the work place in the political issues of the day.  His work is headquartered in York but he will be used to represent the Magisterial Mission in other countries as well on the same problems we face here in the States.

Ron Besser is potentially going to be used for national government offices on the Federal level and will head some diplomatic representations to heads of governments on issues of Magisterial Programs on debt reduction and reissuing their Reserve Banks to reopen without debt as a gift of the Magisterial Missions toward a world currency.  I am also to be involved with the other Commissioners in providing at least one more book the will presage the Sixth Epoch Revelation to the world,

In addition to all of the work done today, Michael of Nebadon has promised that our physical office building will be operational at least by May 5, 2019.  That is less than two months from now ladies and gentlemen.

Resources. (i.e. money and other value object finds such as gold reserves) will be available through Magisterial Foundation, which I may draw upon for these functional actions is now available for check cashing shortly.  This release of money to come  will probably allow the transfer the personnel around distant places to York for assignments to the functional offices noted above for each of the Commission members who head them.

I was appointed to be the Chief of Staff to the Magisterial Sons of Serara and Monjoronson, and elected to remain Chairman of the Contact Commission and to serve at the final pleasure of Michael of Nebadon.  In practical terms that means I am human resources chief and deal with every individual to be hired as staff members in the York offices of the Magisterial Mission.

Readers must realize I cannot hold that title forever since the employment figure for York alone is estimated to be four to five hundred people (humans) on the payroll to manufacture machines and engines in the Pre-Particle plant, and world wide in about ten years (a decade) to be about 14,000 employees in Europe, the United States and Canada.  Eventually employees will number, easily, over 100,000--  if we can find that many as the world will slip into rebellion in places and in other case have a catastrophic weather change and it remains a prediction that the tectonic plates will buckle in places and the jet stream will deviate in places creating deserts where once crops easily grew.

Thank you.

This is Ron, and I think as I read these comments taken after Steve and Dominick have had their say, you in particular Clency and then Sue, are being a little too sentimental.  Let me get at it this way:

Put your feet on Paradise and you are as big and as important as the Father might be if he had other feet to decide these things, and you see a group of mortals in Superuniverse Seven who did not have a soul when they died to be candidates for the promised ascension career.

First of all, how do you give someone an ascension career that requires as soul to resurrect when there is no soul?

Right off the top on this problem about no soul, is the question about how is it possible that this did not take place?  You are then informed by the angelic realm, that the groups what had no soul to resurrect. never experimented with life, nor did they join any organizations with other soul to gain experience, nor was there anything in life they said or thought they wanted?  That is not so much a question from the angelic realm in their report to you, but is the question the angel says to you, how is this possible?

God the Supreme then reports to you, and advises you these were full grown adults who pilfered everything they ever had of value away, and that He, God the Supreme, never got anything from them to evaluate.

Then others reported to you from higher realms, that these names of the souless departed ones never appeared in soul form before them to work out destiny privileges; nor did these souless ones ever ask for an exemption to run an ascension career with or without their significant other.  The truth is nothing ever showed up in the entire life span of the ones who could not go on because they never entered life with any interest to get on a list for life extensions or thought processing to help them live life better.

Now this group of souless ones are up before the judges to determine how they might be passed on now that they have died.

You now ask the Creator Son of the Local Universe they lived in, "where were these pople in your review to see what they needed to improve their lives?"  

The Creator Son of that Local Universe reports back to you none of them were ever reviewed!  How can that be?

The truth of the matter is that every Creator Son endeavors to look at each life at least at once, and then to register them as a life form on the planet of origin.  In the cases before the judges now, they never got registered by the Creator Son, although they got registered as a will creature, and registered by the Holy Spirit to be removed if there is a planetary disaster where evacuation had to be made.  They did make that list. 

So the judges have looked today what is before them to adjudicate either to move on or cease the life form for lack of a soul.  The judges learned that the individuals with no souls had no real interest in life and went to their deaths wantonly disregarding leaving any help to disturb Michel into declaring them ready to ask the question, "can we ascend then?"  Michael will pass them on if they ask the question astutely enough to be reconfigured as an ascension candidate.  None in this group even ever asked that for consideration.

Michael takes all the judges and their information into consideration, and learns he has noting to recommend to the Father for a future career, in what he never really knows.  The Ancients of Days.  They see it as a list only with no demarcation on it and say to the Father we have no reason to pass these on as no reason is given to do so.  And so the group fails to be passed on.  They have no redeeming value at all to be considered further and they are dropped from the life rolls.

Now I have given you the reason this group was dropped from the life rolls.  Now it is up to you on Paradise to decide.  What do you decide from the evidence given they need to be passed on?   The answer is given from those  you use that these people have little ot offer and are not going to do well even if they life given to them all over again.  In this case Father says I have enough humans who do care, they take priority and those who could care less are excused, and out they go. 

On Urantia most people how die never get beyond their 5th circle.  Most stay in the sixth util they die of old age or  something else.   And that is where Steve Gitz gets his numbers and stats as to how awful it really it on Urantia that no sould really ever grew in these people at all. 

Ron for Michael and Mother Spirit and others in the life function departments.

General Discussion / Re: Temporary goodbye !!!
« on: March 13, 2019, 11:31:43 PM »
I would like to see that very much.  We need language sites of native speakers and I would hope you also post the English version if you can.  Congrats on finding work and we look forward to seeing you back on line with us as soon as you can.  Ron



The Deity Absolute, above, provided the fact of the office space to be provided is likely to be the L shaped building noted years before as the logical place to choose to house the Magisterial Mission in York.  I am indeed familiar with the building and once visited the Mayor of York there for business. 

In addition to this there were many personal issues discussed for the Commission members.  Moving and disruption to do it and whether funds would be ready to help with moves to York .  They indicate that "yes" that help would be available.  They also gave permission for the universe epochal revelation of the Urantia Book to be produce through the York mailing center for those on the List established over a year ago for same.

I have used this meeting to explain how the Contact Commission would become permanent on Urantia and that it shall become the original conduit to speak with humans officially on Urantia when the time comes.  The present Commissioners are invited to stay as long as they may.  Now the Contact Commission is recognized as a full time agency for contact with us and it will always be hosted by the present members until it because time to finish the idea with friends of the court now fulfilling its total numbers.  No further agencies except the Urantia book distribution offices in the Magisterial Foundation will take their place ever.

This means that the Magisterial Foundation and the Contact Commission are combined offices in the L shaped building or until new offices which are proposed to be drawn up for  later years will replace these when the time comes.

Here is a screen shot of the interior of the L shaped building as it comes with a media center and meeting room we will make use of.

2nd Day Meeting of the Contact Commission Summary

Deity Absolute speaks =  The Contact Commission was enlarged recently to four and it will further be enlarged to seven when it is finally done putting itself together.   Today was mostly small talk and I attended observing through the mind of Ron Besser.  He was aware of me and so was Michael who also indwelt him did.  Our work today was to ascertain whether Ron could complete the mission assigned to him through the Contact Commission, and he did very well.  In spite, he did so well, we outlined that the Contact Commission was to establish its presence east and west of the placement it now resides in York.  That will require placing others in spare offices here and there to take the workload with the York Contact Commission when the time comes too.

Further, the present Contact Commission will have further work for itself over the next few months as the offices for the work are to be established in the "L" shaped building in center square York.  It is worthy to know that Ron had offices in the build in the mid 80's as Velzy Associates of New York.  He never dreamed he would return there as a leader in the Magisterial Foundation Mission work of today.   Ron has a picture of the L shaped building below for your edification.  


AUDIO TAPE Transmissions Here / Re: Audio Transmission / TRUTH
« on: March 12, 2019, 09:34:36 AM »
White Stone, let me add an additional fact about matter that you may not know. and if is from the perspective of the infinite.

Matter as the Urantia Book explains it, is made of preparticles that form the essential parts of the atom of every element of matter found on earth.  Did you know that the Ultimatons that make up preparticles which in turn construe the atom have two little plasma rods in each one?  And each rod glows in one color or another signifying destiny of that Ultimaton?  Each Ultimaton obeys the glowing plasma rod which is the FAther's will for that dot of energy to make up a preparticle or otherwise for each atom of matter.

This information was disclosed to this forum about four years ago but no one ever seems to want to take the investigation further.  I am totally at sea as to why we must learn all these lessons the hard way, and yet I see we just stand around wondering rather than investigation.  Your research into matter they report to me is highly circumscribed by your belie that matter is so inert it cannot decide anything, yet the very basic Ultimaton is a prideful chit of energy that goes to make up all solid creation to either live on, or consume, or drive to the bring of catastrophe as we have done on our planet Urantia.  The atoms that evolved out of the atomic testing has so destroyed our upper atmosphere about 30 thousand feet we no longer have a normal atmosphere but one so full of Ultimatons with red plasma rods, and extremely rare type of Ultimaton, that the atmosphere will never cool down with them in it.  Research would show us that those red plasma rods hate heat but they cannot remove heat without placing the atmosphere on fire and the Father forbids those Ultimatons from doing so.  Be assured I prefer we understand all this better but for now we are placed on probation on Urantia to figure some of this out for ourselves. and we have now a science so smug and happy with itself it does not lift a finger to look at things realistically. Global warming is a process of red plasma Ultimatons, carbon tetrachloride, and burning in excess of seven trillion tons of carbon difluorides into the atmosphere daily!!!!

I think a person like you has the power of mind to look at matter through the eyes of an infinite Creator is you would realize that, no it is not animated as life itself, but it is almost intelligent is what it does as existence proves over and over again.  Thank you for your very good insight and comments on the subject.
RAYSON = "I see Rpn bemuses such subjects without explaining his role in them.  He alone is capable of finding the truth of the matter of matter and I am one who helps hom quite a bit.  I am going to be your Science Officer when Monjoronson opens the York office of the Magisterial Mission. and my job will be to go to CERN and tell them how dangerous that cyclotron really is and to speak seriously about matter they are only playing with right now.  I wish you well White Stone. for as Ron says. you are bright enough to get on the ball and see some of this for yourself as to what the truth about matter really is.  Rayson"


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