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Ron:  This announcement is so perplexing even sub absolute Deity cannot understand what or why this is happening at all.  Our space sector is relocating!  Maybe . . . .

October 17, 2019
Announcement

Local Universe of Nebadon is threatened with Reprisals from Space Sector Eight.  Legal action over the use of a Federation it wants to join but was not allowed to.  The Court will likely dismiss this case due to the fact that the Nebadon style Federation had to be suspecnded to gravity problems elsewhere.

Nebadon resides in Space Sector 10 of Orvonton.  Space Sector Eight is to the east of Nebadon by about 1,000 Light y Years and is resident about sixteen thousand Light Years southwest of Uversa, the center of Orvonton.

The loss of God the Supreme has created great instability among the territorial areas of various areas within the galactic space of the Superuniverse of Orvonton.  Orvonton is overseen by three Ancients of Days, but is is superimposed on today by the Paradise Deities to insure it has the power and the frontage of space to overcome the encroachment of Space Sector 10 that has been detached from its normal 10th space sector and appears headed inward toward the general area of the headquarter planet Uversa.  None of this is understood by the Power Directors nor by the Local Universe of Nebadon, Chief, the Planetary Supreme residing on Salvington, at this time.

Space Sector 10 contains sixteen Local Universes.  Nebadon and these sixteen Local Universes are all moving together as a unit.  No one understands what is proposed by the Master Force Organizers concerning Space Sector 10.

Space Sector 10 is not forced to move in revenge by God the Supreme or any other experiential Deity.  Space Sector 10 is moving at the incredible speed of about sixteen parsecs per minute of Urantia time.

A parsec is obtained by the use of parallax and trigonometry, and is defined as the distance at which one astronomical unit subtends an angle of one arcsecond, ie. 1/3600th of a degree. ... The nearest star, Proxima Centauri, is about 1.3 parsecs (4.2 light-years) from the Sun.  Sixteen parsecs place Sector 10 covering the equivalent of about 65 light years every one hour of Urantia time.  No one has ever seen an astronomical unit do this or this fast ever.  Urantia is part of Sector 10 space and Sector 10 carries all of t he star systems with it and there is no change in planetary skies whatsoever. 

Star-Space-Sector 10 can orbit another space sector.  A space sector cannot orbit a planet, but it can orbit another space sector if that is indeed what it is doing.  Michael: “We do not know what it is doing.”


MICHAEL OF NEBADON = “Ron keeps asking me, “is this for real?”  Has a space area ever been seen to do this before, and is it the Transcendental Master Force Organizers providing this action?”

Michael: “Yes, we have confirmation that it is the Master Force Organizers removing Sector 10 from its present location containing eleven Local Universes, to either a new location, or to be entrapped withing a solitary sector of Orvonton for study as to cause and effect for Master Force Organization of a further enlarged time space zone, never envisioned or ever contemplated. 

The removal of Sector Ten Space center leaves not a hole in the space fabric but is filled with a modified Quiescent Space as defined in the Urantia Book as:

11.7.1 “Space does not exist on any of the surfaces of Paradise. If one “looked” directly up from the upper surface of Paradise, one would “see” nothing but unpervaded space going out or coming in, just now coming in. Space does not touch Paradise; only the quiescent midspace zones come in contact with the central Isle.

11.7.2 “Paradise is the actually motionless nucleus of BU. Geographically these zones appear to be a relative extension of Paradise, but there probably is some motion in them. We know very little about them, but we observe that similar zones once existed between the levels of pervaded space, but these are now less quiescent.”

Further examination of these motions requires a modular telescopes unavailable on Salvington or any of the Local Universes once part of the Federation.  The Federation was mostly destroyed by actions of God the Supreme, was briefly resurrected for about of month of Urantia time, but was asked to be removed by the Power Directors on Superuniverse Three due to a physical dislocation of one of their capital spheres caused not by gravity, but caused by the intentional shift of gravity from Superuniverse Three to the Federated areas for space travel between Federation Capitals in each local universe.  This only proves that ABSOLUTE GRAVITY is pervaded but un responsive to linear gravity forces in the Local Universe areas of design and surety of space conditions to make sure they are stable and not flying apart.



Even more, the indications are now settling in to Salvington, that Urantia is a primary area of rebellion focus due to the fact it was a Bestowal planet, and as such needs further protection from Local Universe studies which send to Urantia many galactic deep space probes and ships.  These space ships carrying human passengers and historians as well, carry bilge tanks which they tend to empty after passing through the inner sanctum of permissions to visit inhabited planets like Urantia.  Sue Whiley published the story of an Australian Meteorite that smelled terrible and broke up into hundreds of pieces on lawns there.  It is called the Murchison Meteorite.  That so=called meteorite was a bilge tank discharge from about six thousand and million years ago right after Urantia was beginning its formative stage, and that ship was not visiting the Urantia area but the Jupiter fire storm thought to be a new start at the time.

See web site describing all about it at:
 https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-10-02/murchison-meteorite-50th-anniversary-1969-science-geology/11528644

Paradise now realizes that the murder of Jesus on a Bestowal Planet is essentially a circus waiting to happen and thousands of Planetary Princes have visited it to see the nature of such a place and are struck by its natural beauty and scenery so much they asked that it be protected for them and from the population inhabiting it too.  We are about to do that but first we must stabilize why we are having an entire Space Sector being relocate, and that is an assumption and not a known fact.


CONSEQUENCES OF SECTOR 10 MOTION ON URANTIA

MICHAEL OF NEBADON “We are not sure what those consequences may be but we are quite sure the Infinite Spirit, which has no relinquished control of the planet Urantia in favor of entering the old Constellation, Norlatiadek, is to be sure and swift and totally unpredictable for Urantia.  What that means is that the Sixth Epochal Revelation must be quickly disseminated and put on bookshelves as it will not be reprinted without normalizing the commercial printing operations found on Urantia.  York, Pennsylvania is the drop off place for the SER but Ron Besser is removing himself from these activities due to harassment of the staff of the Infinite Spirit Itself, and makes no qualms about the unfairness and horror of being under the helm of beings who muscles their way into processes they do not understand.  But that has been modified now so that Ron still operates the levers of policy over the SER but under not Machiventa Melchizedek, but through Manovedent Melchizedek, a new name to Ron and to the rest of you and a specialist in epochal dissemination.  Machiventa Melchizedek recommended that the SER come under his charge and Ron does not and did not object, but Manovedent volunteered to help all out by assigning himself to Ron for a loan of territory called York, Pa, and to run it from an office building in the City of York.  Now it is a matter of finding the resources again as Machiventa Melchizedek refuses to give over money from the Michael accounts for a venture he considers too risky under Ron to manage.  Michael of Nebadon further explained to the Infinite Spirit, that Ron has the credentials well in hand but refuses to give over free will to Staff members who refuse to learn good behavior on a material world.  There is a constant battle between Ron and those who have the power to suspend free will and Ron will never cede to it,

:Further instructions include this:

1 - Space Sector 10 is running faster and faster toward some location we do not recognize;

2 - For that reason we have suspended all planetary activities until it is clarified just where our space sector is heading, and it brings along with it the Local Universes of Avalon, Alvoring, Henselon, Sensalon, Trandonson, Wolvering, and two other not mentioned before as part of the Federation of old;

3 - The SER will be forthcoming for distribution at once.  Ron is fully aware of what and who in a few minutes believe it or not;

4 - Urantia is suspended from all of our governmental actives until further notice.  The SER is the one example where it moves forward for immediate dissemination through Ron with the help of Manovedent Melchizedek.

5 - Tectonic plates four and five on the west coast of North America are set to erupt with volcanic activity shortly, but they will be held in check until there is good reason to stop them either for good or for eventual dislocation;

6 - The 2020 Presidential election in the United States is allowed to proceed now and God help America if those voters stay dumb and elect Trump again as he will ruin them if the impeachment scenario does not work out now.  Cummings the feisty House Member died recently and that places a serious obstacle for the Democrats to mount impeachment based on Ukraine wrong doing’

7 - Ron has been seriously ill for years now and is feisty over interference much to the surprise of the staff of the Infinite Spirit and he let it be known without further ado who was boss in his own head.  They routinely suspend free will and they made the mistake of doing that today with Ron and the bomb went off good.  They will never do that again against any human working hard to keep things up to date.


Finally, we must relent for Ron and observe he is no longer docile when someone pulls a free will trick on him and have suspended all activities with Supernaphim and Seconaphim and Omniaphim with him as they make the wrong choice and hit his wish to finish a chore by blocking that ability and he knows it well enough now to call who is doing it and to stop it.  They do not hear clearly and make no correction and it is fire and blood until it is done.  We lament the Infinite Spirit staff gets in the way of these normal operations for human beings.

We declare this announcement complete at this point.  What happens next we do not know.  All Missions are stopped.  All concerns for Space Sector 10 are in full operation and we will obey the text of a message now coming out of Paradise to desist further explanations for the time being.  Thank you. MICHAEL OF NEBADON AND FOR ALL THE OTHER LOCAL UNIVERSE INVOLVED. They are happy not to be in ron’s skin tonight for his corrections take effect without anesthesia for good and forever suspended for reasons of State.

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Now that you have had a chance to absorb tge reporting on this very strange event.  Put this into the mind arena and think about possible reasons the 10th space sector might need some study and protection.  The items below are just suggestions and may have nothing to do with, but I feel they do if we could get some more facts:

1 - God the Supreme got upset big time at Nebadon and let lose on the Local Universe by seizing Nebadon property and t hrew the Urantia government out od the door near the end of June this year.  What tripped him off?  He looked at the brand new 6 or 7 Local Universes Federation and decided they were competing for power with him and he moved to shut them down.  He killed some administrators doing it and knocked the Urantia government out of operation.  The protection was not offered then but subsequent attacks in August and September followed and ruined much property and more died;

2 - God the Ultimate more or less followed God the Supreme after God the Supreme got into a new area.  This time the Ultimate followed up by hijacking portions of the Federation all by itself.

3 - The Salvington government had to go into exile three times. They fled Salvington because the Supreme came looking for them with murder in his eye.  Ancinets of Days had to intercede and the Paradise Father took punitve action.

4 -  Seraphim who had been assigned to God the Supreme were suddenly let free of a boss when the boss, God the Supreme detonated a bomb of a self destructive nature on Havona.  When the smoke cleared nothing was left.  Not God the Supreme, no building he ruled from, and not sound to be heard on Havona that chimes all around him when his grey white spirit presence could be seen and entered with by his workers.  The Seraphim came out mad a hornets and threatend Urantia and Salvington and the Federation with sedition and tried to recruit more rebels.  Father had to send in agents of his own to cleanse the place.  But the angry seraphim hid and we still are battling what they want to do including myself as late as this morning.  Nebadon and Urantia need protection from rebel raids at times.  Is this space sector 10 being removed from the focal point of so many rebels and ugly attackes on all the area Local Universes yet?  Maybe well so.

5,  I get the impression that Uversa saw this coming.  I do not know how but then we are not God are we.  Several Mighty Messengers have complained they could not get in to visit Urantia lately.  The Ancinets of Days have locked Urantia down and no visitors regardless of how big they are in rank.  Only the Infinite Spirit could walk in and he has walked backed out as of later this evening.  No reason given.  But he did afford total protection for awhile for Urantia.  Salvington uses the Paradise Trinity for protecction now too.  It seems we have more angyr seraphic cousins really ready to end the problem Urantia offers all of its neightbors and that is it sends rebels out and those innocent planetary neighbors then have to send out their police forces and waste time shooing thoem back to Urantia.  The renellion was adjudicted on Uvers in 1986, but more and more celestial life gets infectred because they let some of the leaders escape just to get rid of them.

6 - Because the Federation was so popular with the neighboring to Nebadon Local Universes, the Ssupreme thought Michael of Nebadon was sticking the divine finger in the Supreme's eye.  No anything like that was inended, but it was a new idea with plenty of help for Local Universes that had so much paper work to finsih to clean up the Lucier Rebellion in thier universes, it grew rapidly and powerful and well for their own purposes.  We think that Paradise and Uversa want to study the idea with these Local Universes right there in the neighborhood to maybe study the form of Federation government and perhaps take the best of it and suggest other space sectors and their Local Universe conside such for their own benefit.  Hence the entire sector might get moved to the labs area of Uversa to study them big time.

7 -  I also believe that Michael of Nebadon has warned Salvington big trouble is coming from the Deity Absolute if the Fedrated Local Universes did not make plans to vacate certain space areas they use for storage such ar archving and repairs of ships used interchangeable between alien space travelers and incarnated Melchizedeks and others we do not know about.  thye might lose these vehicles and shops and even their opn space areas used for recreation with architectural sphere we have never learned about.  How would you like to be on vacation in Sector 10 and someone kicks the door in and either attempts to kill you off or are maybe taken prisoner for ransom?  Yes, folks that is the nature of these rebels seraphim and other Orders we never hear of because they are to be removed as Orders when the time comes.  Ther are reported to be notining hut trouble by all Local Universes when they get too free and decide they are all powerful.

There are a few feasons that Sector Ten may be cut out and moved.  They filled the cut out with quiescent space as I asked the Force Organizer who spoke to me how do you fill in a cut out in space, and he said they always do surgeries like this if a space sector has big physical problems. but Sector 10 is a danger zone full of rebels and they go along with Nebadon and the ot her Local Universes attendant in the cut out and move.

Thought you would like to know of this so it does not sound all that strange although it does to us.  I thank Michael of Nebadon, the Father and Uversa for chiming in to help with this report.  Thanks to all and good day. 

Ron Besser for all who attend this seminar too.  i want you to know I am also up to my neck in trouble again with people throwing me kisses and then hitting me so hard I can hardly walk as now I have very sore muscles again from an injection I am never to get and I tell them "no injections" and am routinely ignored.  I can get angry and kill them hard and that throws their equipment around but they never seem to get the point.  Tonight I am facing more of those jackasses and I am askingfor protection if anyone can spare the time for me.  Thank you!

PROMETHEUS = "You are fully protectred tonight Ron, so sleep well.  They love to hit you around 4am and 6am as they tried to do it this morning but we got you awake and sat you on the edge of the bed until we boxed their ears good.  Now they are like bees and swarm in your area and look to do you in again, but this time there is a trap set and you might hear them take you on but no injections and no final shots to the head as you almost got this morning.  You slept until 1130am after being awake most of the night due to injections you asked them to stop but no one listens unless you create a furor and you did not due to beins so ill now.  This time however, they are taking their lives into their own hands and yes, it is mostly searaphim of the rebel nature.  Mother Spirit knows them by name and warns them their lives are at stake and they do not believe her because it has a hundred millemmum since they have beem home and Mother Spirit considers them vagrants and calls them but no return.

"We warn all transmitters to stay out of places you walk and could be pushed into traffic.  Be alert as Ron has been seriously pushed at lest foor or five times.  He fell once and seriously hit the ground.  They are viscious dollies and need to be watched for.  The only thing you can do is scream bloody murder to get out as Ron does and that moves them fast as that alerts the Adjuster and others nearby and he does it often enough accurately to keep them on their toes.  He is to be repaired but not until full protection is afford as his workj with the SER requires it be a job under full Paradise protection.  That should happen shortly if we can get Machiventa Melchizedek squared away with his side of things to do. Meanwhile this:

"I am Prometheus, and I am a Mighty Messenger, and you Ron are favorably done so far but at any moment it can turn black around you and you just and hid by going to bed then.  You are jiggling that circuit and be caring no one answers and they are listening but not making a move and that is to warn you we are done.  K."

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "We had a really rough session this morning the 17th. and Ron felt piled ip on but he is now listening better because he got upset with a staff member of the Infinite Spirit that tired to see what happens when he motioned Ron into a willess act and got burned for it.  Ron can thrown psychic energy like I have only rarely seens and midwayers did that only.  I swear this guy is ready for the big time if we can get him resuited for heatlh and he is despondent over it all day because it is so bad for him in eyes and walk.  We see nothing now Ron and Prometheus has never seens this operate before and is amazed at your capacity to never stop working.  we all stand in awe for you Ron, truly, and your heart rate is good right now but care to keep warm tonight as it will be a freeze tonight around you for the first time in spots.  Your morning glories are done.  They will be back next year I am positive.

"Space Sector 10 is, we believe, mid course, and we will ahve much to say if we know anything.  Good day to all.  MICHAEL OF NEBADON. K."

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I am not superstitious or anything, but this is one of the reasons I hold unto my opinions on the subject of God The Supreme. Besides just being respectful. Although of late I too have had a radiating pain in my right leg like someone is injecting something painful into my foot. Much like Ron's experience. But I really don't know. My job is very physical and so I just write it all off as growing pains.
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I have read with great interest this thread and think Ron’s analysis is very good as to why this space sector is moving.  It makes perfect sense that it can be better protected from the rebellious ones.  But what about those who are already in this sector and are hitchhiking and are already embedded in this sector?

After getting a better sense of the protection we all need, it seems that some things are starting to make more sense in my life.  Can you believe that still, after all of this time, my divorce  is still not final?  This long delay is a thorn in the side of myself, my husband, and even the lawyer.  It seems the judge is just not getting around to signing off on it. (Why do we need ‘permission’ from a judge?  I do not understand.  We did not need to get permission to get married, so why do we need to get permission to get unmarried?  We both agreed completely on the terms etc.). But I digress.  The point is now I am beginning to see that his presence here is affording me a little more protection than I will  have when he has moved out, hopefully soon.

We had planned to go out today to run some errands.  But for some reason I was totally unable to get even a wink of sleep last night,  non at all.  Because of that we did not leave the house, as I needed to rest.  After reading about the horrors Ron has been going through, and knowing that some maleficence has been directed at me as well, (although not even close to the savagery that has been inflicted on Ron),  I now think my inability to rest last night was a protection measure to keep me out of the public and away from harm.  

I think some of you might be interested to learn that there are many angels who need some extra protection as well.  Below is something I received yesterday from Solonia.  As you may remember she was the “voice in the Garden”, the seraphim that watched over the creation of the Garden as well as the lives Of Adam and Eve, and their children before that horrendous default.

Solonia: The Voice in the Garden
My Narrow Escape

“I share this with you because I want to help you see how the Supreme was able to cause so much damage without detection.  Soon after the formal adjudication of the rebellion was over, I was contacted by the Supreme personally and asked to  meet with some of his staff.  This, for a seraphim, was a very special honor, as he of course was of a much higher rank, and what angel would not be thrilled to work with him?  

“I was coached on the necessity of helping the local universe by nurturing  the growth of humanity by forming better fellowship with one another.  The stronger groups become, it was argued, the more influence they could have on the destiny of Urantia.  This was being established on other planets as well, but that information was not included very much in our talks.  

“After a few of these meetings, I was offered the position of being in charge of the “Angels of the Churches”, or also referred to as “the Religious Guardians”, one of the twelve groups that were at that time part of the Seraphic Planetary Corps, which has since been disbanded.  What an honor, I thought.  If angels have egos, and to some degree they do, this was a real ego booster as it would have given me a status higher than the one I had when working with Adam and Eve.  

“Looking back, I recognize it was the same tactic that Caligastia had used with Eve.  She too, had been told she would be making a greater contribution if only she would take the advice he was offering her.  

“But I wanted to take my time mulling over this one.  There were some things that didn’t feel right.  For one thing, Mother Spirit was not involved in these talks, and as far as I knew Michael was unaware of them as well.  Why, I wondered, wouldn’t they be a big part of this?  Another problem I had was that I was encouraged not to discuss our talks with others.  The fewer number involved in the planning, the better the chances of success.  I just could not see how that would make any difference.  I spent several  Urantia decades thinking about this.  

“And then there were the attacks on Ron and on others that you do not know about.  At first, I did not realize they were backed by the Supreme, but as time went on, I became suspicious because of Ron’s total dislike of the Supreme.  Why was that, I wondered.  It was then I felt I was being stabbed in the stomach as I realized that had I readily accepted this offer, I too, would be held in rebellion.  The thought of this horrible possibility just overwhelmed me.  
I now knew  that something was ‘rotten in (the state of) Denmark’, and I had better pull back, which I did.  And boy am I glad I did!!  It was soon thereafter that all heck began to break out and I watched in horror as many of my fellow seraphim were taken out after signing up with the Supreme and started to use violence to achieve their means.  

“I am sure it was my assignment with Adam and Eve, that gave me the wherewithal to hesitate and not participate in these plans.  I remember vividly the deep sorrow and pain felt by all involved at that time.  But I can now look forward to my next chapter of service.  I appreciate Amethyst taking the time and asking me if I had any comments I wished to make about the current events.  It has been a deep struggle and sorrow for so many seraphim and we are glad to have you know that this is so.  

“Keep your chins up, as all will work out, and know that even though many seraphim were lost this time, each of you have seraphic protection, and we will do all in our power to keep you out of harm’s way.  Good day.”

Amethyst:  Thank you Solonia
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Dear Sister Amethyst,

Thank you for your comments and this message from Solonia.  She is among those I mention by name in my thanksgiving to our spirit family and have many times thought how very difficult and personally painful it must be for her and the faithful ones to loose so many of their family members to such insidious intentions they have been exposed to.  I am appreciative of you receiving this transmission from her and opening our understanding to some of what they have been up against since the rebellion from its very beginnings.  I pray there is special compensation for those such as she who have suffered so much loss and disillusionment.  Thank you Solonia for sharing and Amethyst again for caring and thinking to ask for her comments.

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Your brother Ron to my sisters Newstarsaphire and Amethyst.  I am fully agreed that the testimony of Solonia makes me feel less isolated and alone in my wounds and I thank her so very much for telling us what happened and how she had a really close brush with the nasty idea of a Deity Lucifer.  I hate saying that about the Supreme yet and hope there is discovered some redeeming feature in the future that helps to whitewash my own guilt by coming to dislike so intensely God the Supreme.  There is nothing like personally getting kicked in the head or stomach for we humans to remind us of the mule of hate we nearly all embraced until events forced the Supreme from the closet of his intensely powerful views of sedition to be embraced to win what you want for yourself.


Amethyst, I fully agree with your view of the judge and the idea of divorce.  I stayed a bachelor over this issue for all my life and because I refuse to consider marriage a sacrament and that it squeezes a death rope around the necks of both parties more often than not.


Marriage has two over riding virtues:  transfer of property within the family unit; comfort and protection between two people who are stronger to meet the world and its loss of civility.  That loss has not been thate recent either, but those two virtues do not sufficiently compensate for one partner holding it over the other partner that stunts spiritual and medical needs from happening properly.  I have seen in all of my Urantia groups and there were at least five of them and some little ones besides, that spouses made it hell on the Urantia participants when the spouse disagreed with spending time with spirit teachings over spending time with them, and for o ther reasons as well.  I saw two divorces happen over it too and even a wife who pulled fake illness to get hubby back away from Urantia interests.  Now that is caused by a marriage contract that has no sympathy for apartness and in the judges eyes that is what must be decided did not occur to kill the marriage.  


In any case the world will be so much happier to kick the groin of t he priest who saw to the Church marrying people in it as a sacred individibaility of souls once they were united in intention.  I am afraid we are two animals who are attracted and those attreactions cease after much of what else drove them together is out the door too.  The marriage contract is a civil contract without propertry rights per se, but that is what we have made it into and as such has legalisms far too overdone to support any further.  These contract must be shorn of payments and property entanglements and seen for what they are:  to raise a family and make the best of learning how to deal with two different views about everything else, and when those views are archaic and useless then, those differences merely examined, accepted, and the bond dissolved.  Civil law based on proprety rights is one thing , but not for marriage, thank you.  


Now let us recognize that God the Supreme had nothing to do with this crass idea of partnership around the world called the marriage contract.  But I do wish to make ti clear that women and men are diabolically opposed on must civil issues as well as the importance of children many times, and the God the Supreme was super practical about his view of the animals he used togain experience on material planets like ours.   The Supreme said: "When I am all powerful, you do as I say! "  That is the horror of the marriage contract in some Christian families today and what a horrible man  they have to be as that is not love that is cohericion for the sake of  a single view, and that is what the Supreme insisted upon.  That is hard to explain to a present day Urantia Book reader mostly because they do what psychologists learned long ago: the halo effect it is called and that is excusing bad behavior over a person with a halo you gave them and excuse brutal behavior as benign.  That is the Supreme as we saw it in the past and only rhe recent history of his attackes, and his personal calamties on me, prove how useless experience is when it comes the mercy of God and the love of God.  The Supreme used these items as weapons and negotiations; not for the second and third chance for a  citizen to regain balance after a life of sin and re-probation.


Amethyst, you and I are not yet out of the woods.  Nightstarsaphire, you are not out t he woods either, and that is true for several on this list which and who must clean out the drawers of support you receive by supporting the benign view that Supremacy was fair and learn to live with the idea that the communal need to benefit by experience is historical and not Supreme.  The marriage contract should also be based on historical applications of decency and not religious views of divine law breached but by human animals who are no longer civil.  Until you are in your final psychic circle your are classified as the animal of potential perfection and are on probation untl proven.  Marriage should be probation until a higher ceremony charaterizes the marriage as fianl and true even in heaven.

I thank you Solonia for your story and experience as it illustrates the emergence of a subtraction of care rather than an additional love and care for us each by God.  Thank you all.

RON

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Truth is STRANGER than fiction! What a month of rebellion! I feel like we just sat through watching some western spaghetti movie, talk about the Good, the Bad and the Ugly! I am wondering like Clint Eastwood, would do with his steely gaze, wether to shoot fast or just stay cool smok'in the thin cigar! (proverbially speaking of course!). Ron, if you are wondering why we are so quiet is because we are not sure how to shoot! We are like the animal marmot caught off guard by the cunning fox captured so beautifully by Chinese photographer Yongqing Bao who won the Wildlife Photographer of the Year award. See link at edition.cnn.com:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/wildlife-photographer-of-the-year-2019-winners-scli-intl/index.html


All I can say is this:  it's still a wild place here on Urantia and the image of the fox and the marmot epitomises everything about our world and our struggles for survival, not only as animals, but contending with the ongoing drama with trying to get Missions landed and see the SER get a foothold. We are just bunkering in our little holes like marmots do waiting for the right conditions to be favourable. For the last two nights I have been contending with blisters on my feet from my work shoes at work and with strange dreams to do with being in transit while a lot of dialogue of sorts ensued. Some of it lighthearted, serious and then comical in some way. I am not sure what to make of it as it seems so vague to me what it was about, but the transit thing was prominent. Now I know why, when it is told to us of the moving of the Space Sector 10(whaattt, are you kidding me!) to somewhere else in space around Orvonton. The problem is, that we still have rebellion on Urantia, nuclear war is just so there as a looming threat, and then we have so many miscreants running around behaving badly in every quarter of our communities everywhere....need I say more!

Perhaps, it might not be so bad after all to think like the devil's advocate and say it as it is, even the Infinite Spirit admitted it too, and that is to the effect: "..it's had it up to here and so done, nothing will work to get it back to civility and decency and good conscience, no matter if you throw the book in the ring, it's still so shawn of any hope to look up at all...." . The point of the matter is that there is too many foxes and too many marmots vying for its right to feast in whatever manner it wishes to go about it and too many holes too!

Anyhow, the gist of it is, we are in "transit" waiting, waiting, waiting, and more waiting and all we get is more excuses! I feel like one of the kids in the backseat of the car saying, "..Mum, Dad, are we there yet?"...And the reply is, 'oh not long now honey, there is a book, but wait it's in the boot of the car and we have no way of getting to it right now, just look out the window and tell me how many puffs of clouds do you see, okay?.....'

"Hhhhmmmmm, Oh well, deary me, we just have to wait then until we can get to the boot Mumma! I see three puffs to the right and to the left, four....is that right Mumma?"

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Seeing the image of the terrified groundhog before its final minutes, before being devoured by the fox .... I make a personal reflection ...

Like many, I love animals and the image to me is terrible, but it is a fact that happens in the evolutionary worlds of time and space.

My comfort is that, according to the Urantia Book, there are animals in the mansion worlds (in the heavens) that live together peacefully, because their sources of food are different.
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Vendo a imagem da marmota apavorada antes de seus minutos finais, antes de ser devorada pela raposa ....  faço uma reflexão pessoal...

Assim como muitos, eu amo os animais e a imagem para mim é terrível, mas é um fato que acontece nos mundos evolucionários do tempo e do espaço.

Meu conforto é que, segundo o Livro de Urantia, nos mundos das mansões (nos céus) existem animais que convivem pacificamente, mesmo porque, suas fontes de alimentações são outras.


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Sue, you are right on.  I enjoyed the post and the CNN web site picture your referenced.

You say it well and I have nothing to add except to notice there is a new strain of incredulity to come we have not savored yet.  I am doubtful that just presenting it to this discussion forum ever gets it known and that is because almost every one of you have been stretched to your mental and spiritual limits already. 

That said please notice I am withdrawing a lot of my conjecture this morning and letting things run so I am not accused of more stretching than allowed.  I care very much all of you follow what is to happen but let something visible finally take hold so you who read and attempt to follow these changes, can become better actualized in your minds than you already are.

Sue, and Julio, and myself included, I have had to redo plan after plan after plan, and now I am faced with the surreal capacity to follow these things in my mind fairly easily most of the time.  However, when God starts removing bits and pieces of the mind sets we employ to comprehend these rewards of experiential living, I am at a loss to explain why I feel so awful over nothing to examine.  Give me a few months I might fathom the latest and that is to recognize that man himself is lost on Urantia over doing nothing to help himself.  That said I cannot fathom the actions taken to see to that.

Julio you lost a lot in mind when you underwent a treatment to help you rest better.  That is what they tell me and I recently lost the ability to summarize well but I do not stop trying.  However, the time is now upon us to realize that all we had hoped for and planned for a Magisterial Mission, for a Michael Mission, or for any Mission, is lost to the idea that man himself is not worth the trouble as he has so corrupted his life span and his planet here, there is nothing left to do but to observe the steps that finalize what we as people on Urantia are all about.

That sounds terrible.  I agree.  But I do not agree this is a final tribute to God or man.  I happen to feel that I am removed for my own good soon and that the rest of you have to cope with the reality that there is nothing to read of any worth concerning spiritual Renaissance at all or maybe ever again staying on Urantia.  For our part as myself, I feel left out and broken over the idea that we can comprehend enough to participate on some level with a Mission to improve our life and our lot.  Sue, you do us  the favor of summarizing the situation very well with your prattle on the marmot and the fox.  This time the fox is not so lucky either as the marmot he ate is poisoned by his own inactivity and loss of feeling for his fellow man.

Thanks for your posts both of you.
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MICHAEL OF NEBADON = "Ron has his own problems this morning much as all of you do and that is to realize that all  the hopes and dreams for a spiritual renaissance are over for now.  That is the sorry state of affairs after years and years of hoping and planning, we on high cannot fathom why do anything for Urantia anymore.

"Machiventa summed it up well yesterday morning for Ron, when he realized that the entire matter was over but he could not fathom what or why it was let known to him in such stark reality.  What Ron does not know and we keep most of it secret now, is that the Urantia Foundation stumbled badly again and decreed no more freelancing to read bulletins and waht not from Ron, but that it must be done from centralized planning and they were the sole arbiter of deciding the validity of anything coming from York.  They are deeply upset over Bulletin II (2) which Ron plainly outlined how the FER was out of date and they were now teaching error.  Much to their horror they now know he is right.  But much to Ron's horror they do not realize they are the linchpin no longer and neither is York but Salvington now plays the role to end the kabuki dance Ron has to do with a Urantia Foundation totally amiss in its evaluation of what to do.  They decided to do nothing. 

"For that reason, I disenfranchised Ron first and the UF later and now they post sit without a Sou to there names of any authority to do anything for or against each other.  Ron sees it in horror, the UF sees nothing, and you two must reconcile nothing but to let things drift like two star systems to collide and produce whatever that produces for Urantians who care anymore will do about it themselves.  I am not longer involved in the destiny of Urantia that way at least.

"That said, here this:

"Ron decided this morning he wants to leave Urantia quickly as possible as everything he has worked for is in the waste can.  You who read this list with some probity now understand he is also working to release all of you from anything propose for years for all of you to participate, as he now sees the entire matter as rescinded by Deity fiat, the opposite of what Deity promised not all that long ago.  For that reason the Magisterial Sons recant all they produced lately.  They also feel left out in the cold too as Ron does and as some of you will feel shortly, as Ron is of the opinion the discussion forum has little to offer but excuses and that is not why it was started to do in the first place.  That said, we see it must continue in spite of his attitude that people like White Stone cannot fathom anything unless it is pointed on one end and hammered into the ground right side up.  You all see life being hammered sideways and Ron fully admits there is so much room for disagreement, he wonders how we got this far.  The truth is Ron has it right and we do to and we do not disagree with each other on anyuthing really.  Since that is now said read this:

"Yesterday, Ron decided that even his Adjuster was removing itself over an issue he has not recollection about, and that was about his life style to avoid the idea of marriage in a place that substitutes gay life for married life in error to think two people can live together without issue.  That is okay to perpetuate if required, but it has led to a life of disease and probate that is never going to work itself into an evolutionary success.  Rather it leaves everybody wonder where sanity is and that is not a bad way of looking at it especially you Ron. 

FATHER SPEAKS: "I have asked to speak through Michael this time and do so with the understanding you who read this hardly know what I am talking about.  Ron enjoys life well and with understanding but he refuses to procreate under circumstances he feels is a ruination of the family and its environs at all.  He is not wrong but the world of Urantia fails to comprehend it digs itself deeper and deeper into the horror that no procreation leads to the end of the species, and now we have a fight up in the higher climes on how to produce pictures to Ron he sees nothing wrong with.  I happen to agree with Ron and they must stop this ruination of a man wholly ready to be of help if he can ever get out from under misunderstandings in spirit just what is happening on Urantia.

"Fully done is Ron for all training purposes but he will have to be rehabillitated by MICHAEL OF NEBADON to over come the ruse he falls into daily over usages of the discussion forum as many already see it as an extenuation of personal problems Ron faces erroneously.  He does not bring them to you at all.  Rather he brings the facts of a condition on Urantia that is so erroneous he cannot speak without even spirit trying to kill him off.  That is the life of times on Urantia we are moving to end permanently.  Be assured all things are possible with God and Ron relates he still considers that so.  However Sue, for the first time in your life, you made the correct point without help from friends you call family or spirit.  You actually made the point so well Ron appreciated your take.  Julio you are the usual misunderstanding student by  recognizing what she said but misapply it to your own view that nature is cruel to begin with.  That is not it at all.  Sue correctly points out that survival is predicated on smarts and the process of patience and no one here including Ron is fully happy with the present condition that patience never plays out in the case of a deleted Magisterial Mission on Urantia!

"I am the FATHER, and I fully understand it is impossible to know how directly my words are directed to some of the guests who read this site religiously.  You get the importance but you also pull your punches so you remain hidden.  The Urantia Foundation fails to understand most anything and Ron is thoroughly disgusted with that obvious error, but what he will never fathom is how GUESTS never seem to have an opinion except smirking all the time but never realizing their fate is sealed too.  No one ever allows that Urantia Foundation to do any more now than to go away. Ron leaves later but fully disgusted this is the best you can do in the name of a hellion called Peter the Apostle who saw it coming when he was a head of what is now the Vatican.  Some of you never knew that and shame on you!

"In any case, there is nothing to write that has any concrete meaning except to Ron and MICHAEL OF NEBADON, and that is WE see it clearly too and that mankind on Urantia is false and without succor very soon as the INFINITE SPIRIT is now proposing the end to a civilization that quit developing at the end of WWII, and never has regained its balance since 1913 when Einstein showed light to be a particle and not and emanation.  You all see it as an emanation including Ron who interprets so radically different at times I wonder where he thinks as a photon is a particle but the light is an emanation to him.  Good enough. 

"For that reason Ron sits on the pinnacle of learning he is refuted truly for all things Urantian, but not for universe development and I insist to Michael he must go through the mansion world routines, quickly, but not without effect as Ron himself says they are an experience he must somehow have under his belt to understand why what you do is done your way.  I fully admit I sometime live in a Paradise Isle bunker and he chuckles too ,but not really as I am so powerful nothing makes inroads to Paradise without my full and stern approval that it be done so and in my way.

"I ask one thing of you today, Ron.  The horror of your health condition is to be fully removed shortly and you will enjoy a respite of harmless life for a little while.  But you are indeed going to photograph the Sixth Epochal Revelation (SER) and that is enough to start a huge avalanche toward right thinking and we will use you to help explain that widely disseminated as possible.  Be assured right now as you write this evil abounds you in the lives of Orders of Beings who know better but are so fully disabused of goodness they do not know their lives are over shortly.  I know everyone of them and it is sad to report we even have a Deified realm known as the Space Sector 10, that has to be so thoroughly cleansed I have asked it to be moved out of its own context and brought to me for full remediation.   I have this bolded so you who glance through things for no good to yourselves fully understand that what was done is always possible and I enjoy doing it in this case.

"I am sure no one still fathoms this and the White Stone error of incredulous following of news on this site is soon remanded into their own ways again and to forever drop the extraordinary world Ron lives in to produce this material unabated and fully safely included in the minds of the true God of experiential wisdom, the Paradise Father of All.  Good day to all for now! FATHER"

MICHAEL OF NEBADON -  "I am floored we get such straight talk from FATHER  today as we are up to our necks over how to deal with Ron and URANTIA and you on this list.  Al; who remain are fully realized as good people with some work to do to end this useless concern for a change to Urantia I dare not undertake so long as the United States is doing what it is doing; so long as Boris Johnson cannot clue Parliament into finishing the idea of BREXIT, and so long as China thinks it has the upper hand in a trade war not, but a shooting war shortly if it does not abide its military to stand own once more.  They are ready for a nuclear war with the United States and they are not nearly smart enough to know the US has the upper hand in any such confrontation period.  It is for that reason I said to Ron this morning as he arose, please walk Ron to stave off full paralysis as it is coming if you do not keep the faith we clear it for you somehow.  That said he fully understands how cruel life can be when no one honors promises to do good. We leave for now.  MICHAEL OF NEBADON."

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I am at a loss as to what to say in this post other than to offer an admonition of "come on guys, let's take it over the top of that hill!" Where is that spirit we have been told to have in light of the forces of evil mounting a seemingly unending campaign of death and destruction? Are we to give up now after all this planning, hoping, wishing and standing firm even when the dawn is so far away? Is that the example we should follow now? Is that the way of deity? I sincerely doubt it! To my way of thinking (perhaps childishly) like a man on a sinking ship, it is better I save even one from certain drowning than from doing nothing while watching the ship go down with all aboard to perish! Is that it? The final word?

I am tired of reading about all the things that are to be done here by celestial forces. You give up on Urantia? That is not the over the top spirit I was led to believe in! Where is that spirit, where has it gone? Do you not realize that humans imitate that which they see? If there is a model working government established in the United States, will not most of the civilized world copy it when they see it working? It is a radical approach, yes, but time and time again in human history a few determined people have done this and it has led others out of the impending darkness and doom!

Step up, distribute the SER. Implement the new, model government. Show us here on this condemned planet what is the better way! Do it now, not later! Do it today, not tomorrow! To give up is to admit defeat and that is something I was taught to never do! That is my principle! To never give up no matter the odds! Help me you who believe as I do. If you are scanning these words and skipping them, stop and read carefully this call to action!

We can save one even though the rest may drown.

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Thank you Ron, Father and Michael of Nebadon. It is hard to speak the truth as stated and that has to be known. To be fair, I think I knew it all along this may or may not work depending on how things go. When I sat looking at the picture of the fox and the marmot, it was a long while I was transfixed on it visualizing the very moment this snap was taken, it transported me to realize so many things at that moment too of all that has happened. It is a pity the fox has gotten a bite into a poisonous prey and so it seems we still have such a strain in us. Dreamcat, I am sorry you seem to think nobly, but you seem to miss the point in Ron’s long and generous post above. We have been attacked and keep getting attacked and the battle is still in front of us just as it is portrayed in the photo of the fox and the marmot. The battle is still on, but it seems it is no use to pursue it for the trouble it is to do so. Father has the Space Sector 10 to cleanse and all of it is like in a colander in which everything is getting sifted. Who can go through the eye of a needle? Answer that and you will understand what is going on here. Jesus knew it long ago and that should be no surprise to see it now. Having the SER will most certainly retrain the mind and get a corrected perspective for what Father wishes us to see and understand. I am all for that and look forward to having it as a saving grace to our sanity. I am hoping that Michael will find a way to produce this and get it out soon as it speaks volumes on its own. The battle for truth is on, meanwhile, we wait on what and how Michael wishes to go about it. May Salvington call the shots here! Go Michael! Yay!


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The relocation of Sector 10 of Orvonton is a gigantic endeavour for the Power Directors and I presume there must be many parameters to take into account before any decision is taken as to the area where it will be placed so as not to create an imbalance all around. As long as Sector 10 is not well established to the satisfaction of all parties concerned, I am just guessing that there will not be a restart of any activity on Urantia. So, all we can do is to stand still with fingers crossed and pray for a pleasant outcome. Domtia
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Since I started in the forum I try to share with my close family the news that I consider most outstanding, but lately I have been in the need to wait with caution so that what I share with them so enthusiastically does not clash. And it is with my wife because of the closeness with which I most comment on the publications and sometimes she asks me what is of Ron's life and how he struggle with his ills. In other words, she is sufficiently aware that Ron is an exceptional and unique case and also knows my speculations regarding the reality of Ron's person, which I dare more freely to express to her. For example, like Ron's Adjuster, he is the only one who can afford to take a vacation; I mean that Ron no longer depends on spiritual guidance in such a rigorous way; I could say, he transcended the merger. This based among other things, that I have read that his Adjuster has separated from him, in some situations, and I do not believe that I have read wrong. And all this my wife listens to me without commenting anything, but protests very strongly with the situation of a Supreme God in rebellion and that he himself has decided to annihilate himself. I try to explain to her that she should not forget that we are in the middle of a divine game and that it is impossible for us at our mortal level to understand everything that is cooked at that heavenly height. That the strategy to continue "playing" without being eliminated and aspire to reach the goal is fair play: Integrity.
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...[...]...
Sue, and Julio, and myself included, I have had to redo plan after plan after plan, and now I am faced with the surreal capacity to follow these things in my mind fairly easily most of the time.  However, when God starts removing bits and pieces of the mind sets we employ to comprehend these rewards of experiential living, I am at a loss to explain why I feel so awful over nothing to examine.  Give me a few months I might fathom the latest and that is to recognize that man himself is lost on Urantia over doing nothing to help himself.  That said I cannot fathom the actions taken to see to that.

Julio you lost a lot in mind when you underwent a treatment to help you rest better.  That is what they tell me and I recently lost the ability to summarize well but I do not stop trying.  However, the time is now upon us to realize that all we had hoped for and planned for a Magisterial Mission, for a Michael Mission, or for any Mission, is lost to the idea that man himself is not worth the trouble as he has so corrupted his life span and his planet here, there is nothing left to do but to observe the steps that finalize what we as people on Urantia are all about.
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To all

Thank you Ron and God, Universal Father and Michael of Nebadon

Initially, I humbly record that my comments are limited as an evolutionary human being. For this I appreciate the corrections that are addressed to me when I make misinterpretations.

Thank you God, Universal Father for everything in my life. Before I even finish a complete thought, I know that you know what I think and what I feel, all within me, mainly through my Thought Adjuster, which is the fragment of God, Universal Father in the minds of beings. evolutionary humans of time and space who believe in God. Above all, let God's will be done, Father.


Thank you Michael de Nebadon and Divine Minister Nebadonia for all you have done for our local universe. When I reported, in a message that I pray for the rebel forces to return to normal in relation to the hierarchical superiors is to you, for the Creator Son Michael represents God, the Universal Father and God, the Eternal Son and the Divine Minister represents God, Infinite Spirit in our local universe.

Correct me if I am wrong, as I understand from the Urantia Book, the celestial personalities, even with some autonomy in their actions, when in a local universe, are under the jurisdiction and command of the Creator Son Michael of this universe. Yes, I also believe that a certain autonomy is necessary for each personality to perform its functions, logically, with the accompaniment of their superiors.

The additional comments I often make are for readers of the Serara Forum who are not yet used to concepts that have come to light with the Urantia Book.

In addition to the previous comments, I agree with Sue, really, given the facts reported in the Serara Forum, I believe many of us are behaving like groundhogs seeking to enter the hole to escape from danger.

On the other hand, I am really resting a lot mainly in the last month and I feel that this rest is necessary for me.

Hi Dreamcat, thanks for your comment. For me, in my view, it is not a case of giving up but totally submitting to God's will, Father, without expecting anything, because if we believe in trusting God, Father we will have a destiny in eternity as God, Father finds it best. Yes, I know that God the Father knows us deeply, each one of us, and knows all our prayers, all our projects, and how we have multiple needs, God the Father makes it possible to fulfill the main requests according to the destiny outlined for each. one.


Hi Sue, I also agree, in a sense, that the battle is always going on. In this case, I see it as a personal battle of spiritual evolution for us evolutionary human beings of time and space that we have to constantly reflect on our actions to constantly improve and act on to improve our actions and thoughts.


Hi Clency The shift from sector 10 to another place in the universe, in my limited and humble vision, is a decision that seeks a different destiny from what exists today, according to the will of God the Father.

Hi Occerpa I rarely comment in my family about the Serara Forum news, but my family knows that I actively participate in the Serara Forum which is an international forum on the Urantia Book and spirituality. But my family knows that if there are missions of God on our planet, and if I am invited, I will accept the invitation, including moving country if necessary along with my family. By the way I made the passports of my family members, for this, if there are missions of God on the planet and we are invited to travel or live in another country.

With much love and respect to all,

Julio




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A todos

Obrigado Ron e a Deus, Pai Universal e a Michael de Nebadon

Inicialmente, eu registro humildemente que meus comentários são limitados como ser humano evolucionário. Por isto eu agradeço, as correções que a mim são dirigidas quando cometo equívocos de interpretação.

Obrigado Deus, Pai Universal por tudo em minha vida. Antes de sequer eu terminar um pensamento completo, eu sei que sabes  o que eu penso e o que eu sinto, tudo dentro de mim, através, principalmente do meu Ajustador do Pensamento, que é o fragmento de Deus, Pai Universal nas mentes dos seres humanos evolucionários do tempo e do espaco que acreditam em Deus. Acima de tudo, seja feita a vontade de Deus, Pai.


Obrigado, Michael de Nebadon e a Ministra Divina Nebadonia por tudo que tem feito por nosso universo local. Quando eu relatei, em uma mensagem que faço uma oração para as forças rebeldes voltarem ao normal em relação aos superiores hierárquicos é em relação a vocês, pois o Filho Criador Michael representa Deus, Pai Universal e Deus, Filho Eterno e a Ministra Divina representa Deus, Espírito Infinito em nosso universo local.

Me corrijam se eu estiver errado, pelo que eu entendi no Livro de Urantia, as personalidades celestes, mesmo com certa autonomia em suas atuações, quando em um universo local, estão sob a jurisdição e o comando do FIlho Criador Michael deste universo. Sim, eu acredito, também, que uma certa autonomia é necessário para que cada personalidade desempenhe suas funções, logicamente, com o acompanhamento de seus superiores hierarquicos.

Os comentários adicionais que muitas vezes eu faço, são para os leitores do Fórum Serara que ainda não estão acostumados com conceitos que vieram a luz com o Livro de Urantia.

Acrescentando aos comentários anteriores, eu concordo com Sue, realmente, diante dos fatos noticiados no Fórum Serara, eu acredito que muitos de nós estamos se comportando como marmotas que buscam entrar no buraco para se refugiar do perigo.

Por outro lado, eu realmente estou descansando muito, principalmente, no último mês e sinto que este descanso é necessário para mim.

Oi Dreamcat, obrigado por seu comentário. Para mim, em minha visão, não é o caso de desistir mas se submeter totalmente a vontade de Deus, Pai, sem esperar nada, pois se acreditamos em confiamos em Deus, Pai teremos um destino na eternidade como Deus, Pai achar melhor. Sim, eu sei que Deus, Pai conhece nós profundamente, cada um de nós, e sabe todos nossas orações, todos nossos projetos, e como temos múltiplas necessidades, Deus, Pai possibilita a satisfação dos principais pedidos de acordo com o destino traçado para cada um.


Oi Sue, eu também concordo, em certo sentido, de que a batalha está sempre em andamento. No caso, eu vejo como uma batalha pessoal de evolução espiritual para nós, seres humanos evolucionários do tempo e do espaço que temos que refletir, constantemente, de nossos atos para melhorarmos constantemente e agir com esforço para aperfeiçoar nossas ações e pensamentos.


Oi Clency. O deslocamento do setor 10 para outro lugar no universo, em minha limitada e humilde visão, é uma decisão que busca um destino diferente do que existe na atualidade, conforme a vontade de Deus, Pai.

Oi Occerpa. Eu raramente comento em minha família sobre as notícias do Fórum Serara, mas a minha família sabe que eu participo ativamente no Fórum Serara que é um fórum internacional sobre o Livro de Urantia e sobre a espiritualidade. Mas minha família, sabe que se houver Missões de Deus em nosso planeta, e eu for convidado, eu irei aceitar o convite, inclusive, mudando de país, se necessário, juntamente com minha família. Aliás eu fiz os passaportes dos integrantes da minha família, para isto, se existir missões de Deus no planeta e formos convidados para viajar ou morar em outro país.

Com muito amor e respeito a todos,

Julio.
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Dear Ron time & time after time the Father and other Deities as well as other Celestials have said you would be the catalyst for the SER. And time & time after time you forget or you are in
so much pain in body mind and spirit you could care less. Have a little faith. I believe it, I've always believe it. Now I can't put myself in your shoes, I will never know the pain you've gone
through all these years and I would never want to.  I've follow your pain since the beginning. Talk about experiments they took you through test tube after test tube, and from what I
understand you have one more step to go. [From what I understand]   I know you want to give up but you have a lot of people are depending on you and praying for you too. You are the
'Cream of the Crop' that Urantia has to offer, and we have base our lives on SER, Magisterial Mission, Michael Mission and the 2nd Advent of Jesus. When the FATHER says you will
usher in the SER I believe him, the only problem with that we are time-space beings, FATHER is not. We want GOD to move and set things in action as soon as HE says it.  Well it ain't gonna happen but you know that.

I've been working on somethin the Melchizedek taught me about giving thanks for what I want. I did it for about a year and a few months until I moved to Louisiana and I stop for over 4
months or so. Doubts kept piling up on me until I restarted in Jan 2018 until this day now I haven't reach my goal but my faith is stronger and doubt still creeps in.
Now my problem in no way shape or form equate to yours except for one thing.  Those who select the high road the path to Light & Life "Doubt is our worse enemy"

I refuse to believe the GODS have given up on us. Now we have been warn about the tectonic plate movement and the ocean waters coming inland. When man is in fear of his life he will
give up all he has and that little spark within him will make him call on GOD for salvation on a mass scale and that I feel and believe is when the FATHER will show HIMSELF through
one of HIS SONS. [That just my thoughts].

Domtia

Weydevu