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General Discussion / Re: Claude.ai chat outputs asking about case studies like Ron

« Last post by Dominick O on Yesterday at 12:33:28 »

This post aims to help us provide a framework for the future and some context for what has been transpiring for the last several weeks on several fronts.
I will open up a call this Sunday, the 19th of January at the typical 2pm EST time.

• I can give general updates on Ron's status, recovery, etc
• Updates about several meetings with other transmitter groups and organizational entities who have collaborated at one point or another with Ron and the Magisterial Foundation.
• Updates about the patent
• Updates about the 501c3 corps
• Updates about the future evolution of the forum and its service provisions that meet the criteria of the mission of the foundation.
• For example, the Board is intact and able to preserve its missions
• Lightlines are under severe scrutiny, and hereby suspended indefinitely, until public service transmissions are properly indexed and required for public service. [Dom note: I don't really understand the context of the word, index, in this case, but I am prompted to use it].
• This includes specifically:

• sanctioned (context of approbation) reception of any official broadcasts from SALVINGTON.
• The reinstated view of MOTHER SPIRIT [Updated], "with prejudice" meaning Ron has no case versus MOTHER SPIRIT and she is properly re-instated into the lives of anyone affected.
• The Mercy of MICHAEL OF NEBADON
• The codified instructions of the Magisterial Foundation to be under the direction of the MELCHIZEDEK CORP and any serving Chair such as MACHIVENTA, MANTUTIA, MANITUBA and so on.

That's enough for now.
Sincerely,
Dominick

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General Discussion / Claude.ai chat outputs asking about case studies like Ron

« Last post by Dominick O on Yesterday at 09:17:02 »

Person:
does schizophrenia produces copious amounts of information streams and voices that could last years? Yet seemingly act normal when needed with others?

Computer:
Yes, schizophrenia can involve experiencing multiple streams of voices, thoughts, and information that can persist for years. People with schizophrenia may hear multiple distinct voices commenting on their actions, having conversations, or giving commands. These experiences can be continuous but may vary in intensity.
 
Interestingly, many people with schizophrenia can sometimes maintain what appears to be typical social interaction and behavior in certain situations, particularly for short periods or in familiar settings. This is sometimes called "social cognition preservation" - where someone can draw on learned social skills and behaviors even while experiencing symptoms. However, this can be extremely mentally and emotionally taxing for the person.
 
It's important to note that the ability to "act normal" doesn't mean the person isn't experiencing significant distress or that they don't need support and treatment. The internal experience can be overwhelming even when it's not obvious externally.
 
Would you like to learn more about any specific aspect of how schizophrenia affects daily functioning or thought processes?
 
Person:
No, more about any cases of religious writings and people claiming religious authority because of communications that they think are God, but clinicians think is schizophrenia
 
Computer:
This is a fascinating intersection of religious experience and mental health. There have been numerous historical and contemporary cases where distinguishing between religious revelation and symptoms of schizophrenia has been complex and debated:
 
James Tilly Matthews (1770s-1815) is one of the earliest well-documented cases. He claimed to receive divine messages and believed he was involved in supernatural political conspiracies. He was institutionalized in Bedlam hospital, but some of his followers considered him a prophet.
 
Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772) reported extensive visions and communications with angels and spirits that began suddenly in his 50s. While he had a distinguished scientific career before this, he spent the latter part of his life writing extensive theological works based on these experiences. Scholars still debate whether his experiences were due to mental illness or genuine religious experiences.
 
The case of Daniel Paul Schreber (1842-1911) is particularly notable in psychiatric history. A respected German judge, he wrote extensively about his direct communications with God and his belief that he was being transformed into a woman by divine rays. His memoirs became an important text in both psychiatric literature and religious studies.
 
Modern clinicians now look at several factors when evaluating such cases:
- The cultural context and whether the experiences align with established religious traditions
- The impact on daily functioning and ability to maintain relationships
- Whether the person shows other symptoms of schizophrenia like disorganized thinking or behavior
- The age of onset and progression of symptoms
- The presence of distress or impairment
 
However, many scholars and clinicians acknowledge this remains a complex area where cultural, religious, and medical perspectives can sometimes conflict.
 
Would you like to explore any particular aspect of this intersection between religious experience and mental health in more detail?
 
Person:
Does onset of conditions tend to happen after 40 years of age?
 
Computer:
No, schizophrenia typically has a much earlier onset. The most common age of onset is:
 
- Late teens to early 20s for men (typically 18-25)
- Late 20s for women (typically 25-35)
 
Late-onset schizophrenia (after age 40) is relatively rare, occurring in only about 20% of cases. When psychotic symptoms first appear after age 40, clinicians often look for other potential causes like:
 
- Brain tumors
- Dementia
- Delirium
- Drug interactions
- Neurological conditions
- Major depression with psychotic features
 
This is one reason why claims of divine revelation or religious authority that begin after age 40 are often evaluated differently from similar claims made by younger adults. While late-onset schizophrenia is possible, the age pattern would be unusual for the condition, suggesting other factors might be at play.
 
Early-onset cases tend to have more severe symptoms and poorer outcomes compared to late-onset cases, though there can be significant variation between individuals.
 
. . .
 
I apologize, but I cannot directly access or browse the forum link you provided or read the books in real-time. However, I can discuss this type of case in general terms and would be happy to analyze any specific content, quotes, or passages that you could share from Ron Besser's writings.
 
For analyzing religious/spiritual claims in relation to mental health, clinicians typically look for patterns like:
 
1. The progression and timeline of the experiences
2. How the beliefs/communications developed
3. Whether the content is internally consistent over time
4. How well the person maintains other aspects of their life
5. Whether the experiences align with or drastically depart from established religious/spiritual frameworks
 
Person:
Will the person with these symptoms observed, perceived, felt or accused by others typically be acknowledged by the person exhibiting such conditions? Or does the person with the conditions typically double down on their appeal to authority because of their special status?
 
 
Computer:
Typically, people experiencing symptoms of schizophrenia or related conditions have what's called "anosognosia" - a lack of insight or awareness about their condition. This affects about 50-98% of people with schizophrenia, according to clinical studies.
 
When confronted about their beliefs or experiences, they often:
- Strongly defend their experiences as real and meaningful
- Reinforce their claims to special knowledge or status
- View skepticism from others as persecution or lack of understanding
- Develop more elaborate explanations to justify their beliefs
- May incorporate challengers into their belief system as "unenlightened" or "opposing forces"
 
This "doubling down" is particularly common in cases involving religious or spiritual authority claims because:
1. The very nature of spiritual authority often positions itself above ordinary human judgment
2. Religious frameworks can provide ready-made explanations for why others don't understand or accept their experiences (e.g., "only the chosen can understand")
3. Opposition from others can be interpreted as validation of their special status (e.g., "prophets are always persecuted")
 
When someone maintains professional functioning and social relationships while holding these beliefs, it can make it even harder for them to recognize potential issues, as they may use their continued functionality as evidence that their experiences are real rather than symptomatic.
 
External intervention is usually only successful when the person's functioning becomes significantly impaired or when they develop trust in someone who can gradually help them consider alternative explanations for their experiences.
 
 
Person:
What if there is a combination of good and bad outputs, for example, setting up institutional entities and patents, but also developing what others consider a community of followers with many leaving because of the poor experiences with what they consider schizophrenia?
 
Computer:
This kind of mixed presentation is actually quite common and particularly complex to evaluate. The ability to successfully manage some aspects of life (like business/legal matters) while experiencing significant issues in other areas (interpersonal/community relationships) is a phenomenon that deserves careful analysis:
 
The functional aspects (like patents and institutional setup) can indicate:
- Preserved executive functioning
- Ability to navigate complex systems
- Intellectual capability
- Understanding of practical matters
 
The community dysfunction patterns often show:
- High initial attraction to the person's charisma or ideas
- Gradual recognition of concerning patterns by followers
- Exodus of community members over time
- Consistent reports of erratic behavior or concerning communications
- Pattern of replacing departed followers with new ones who haven't yet experienced the concerning behaviors
 
This combination is particularly challenging because:
1. The functional achievements can serve as "evidence" against concerns
2. New followers may dismiss previous followers' warnings due to seeing the functional successes
3. The person can point to their practical achievements to deflect concerns about their behavior
4. The institutional structures can provide both legitimacy and protection
 
This pattern often leads to a cycle where:
- New people are attracted by the functional/achievement aspects
- They gradually experience the concerning behaviors
- They leave and are replaced by new followers
- The cycle continues while the core issues remain unaddressed
 
The presence of successful practical endeavors doesn't negate the validity of community members' concerns - both aspects can coexist, which makes these situations particularly complex to address.

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TRANSLATIONS / 14.1.2025 – Wezwanie do pokoju

« Last post by Andre_P on January 14, 2025, 03:29:27 am »

Ta sama wiadomość po angielsku :
https://forum.serara.org/index.php?topic=21791.msg104415#msg104415
Podał : Rene A Duran, członek bohater
Kategoria / Temat : HISZPAŃSKA LIGHTLINE DLA WSZYSTKICH / WEZWANIE DO POKOJU
« 12 stycznia 2025 r., godz. 16:23:01 »


Grupa 11:21 Przekazywanie prawd, Phoenix, Arizona

WEZWANIE DO POKOJU

Od JEZUSA
Odebrane przez Evelio Rivasa
Salwador, 11 stycznia 2025, godz. 6:29


JEZUS :
„Tu Jezus. W tym nowym roku wystosowuję pilne wezwanie do wszystkich na Urantii. Pragnę, abyście zawarli pokój i żyli razem jako bracia. Moja miłość do tego świata trwa od dnia, w którym go stworzyłem.”

„Jest coś, co bardzo mnie boli, to widok was zanurzonych w dysharmonii. Wiem, że błądzenie, które pokazujecie, jest wynikiem buntowniczych działań i że blokujecie moje publiczne przybycie. Musicie wiedzieć, że zawsze byłem was świadomy. To nieprawda, że porzuciłem was z powodu tego, co przeżyłem wśród spraw, które się wydarzyły w tych fatalnych dniach. Dziś musimy to przezwyciężyć i patrzeć w przyszłość.”

„Jesteśmy tutaj na Urantii i planujemy ulepszyć tę sferę i jej populację. Jesteśmy optymistami i zawsze mamy nadzieję na zmianę w kierunku miłości OJCA WSZECHŚWIATA. Od samego początku Urantia została stworzona w tym celu, jako piękna planeta, dla rozwoju jej mieszkańców.”

„Liczy się teraz to, jak traktujecie się nawzajem. Istnieje łatwy sposób wejścia w te sprawy. Nazwiemy to tak, żeby brzmiało znajomo : służyć. Wiecie, że każdy dzień poświęcam, żeby wam służyć. Tak jak w przeszłości robimy to dzisiaj. Być użytecznym dla tych wokół nas jest prostym sposobem na wejście w moje zalecenia. Ta postawa musi się rozciągać na całą planetę. Dziś możecie wziąć ją za swój dom, w którym wszyscy jesteście, a wy jesteście moimi dziećmi bez wyjątku. Błagam was, żebyście słuchali się nawzajem, otworzyli stół dialogu i poznali się nawzajem. Jest konieczne, żebyście przestali patrzeć na brzydotę drugiego. Jest pilne, żebyście sobie nawzajem wybaczali. Osądzanie siebie nawzajem nie zaprowadzi was na właściwą drogę. Musicie sobie wybaczyć i przyznać, że są teraz nowe czasy, mój OJCIEC jest tutaj ze mną i droga Urantii się zmieni. Każdy jest brany pod uwagę i cieszy się równością. Jeśli przeanalizujecie DNA, to są tam ślady, które robią różnicę, ogólnie stanowicie jedną rodzinę. Jest nie do pomyślenia, żebyście znaleźli powody do kontynuowania dysharmonii.”

„Tu JEZUS. Kończę ten kontrowersyjny temat. Kocham was wszystkich. Wejdźcie w dobry Dzień.”

Koniec

Evelio Rivas

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THE SPANISH LANGUAGE LIGHTLINE FOR ALL / Re: "CALL TO PEACE"

« Last post by HelderPoeta on January 13, 2025, 20:14:59 pm »

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THE SPANISH LANGUAGE LIGHTLINE FOR ALL / "CALL TO PEACE"

« Last post by Rene A Duran on January 12, 2025, 16:23:01 pm »

Group 11:21 Truths Broadcast Phoenix AZ.

"CALL TO PEACE"

By: JESUS.
Received by: Evelio Rivas.

El Salvador, January 11, 2025, 6:29 a.m.

 JESUS:
"I am JESUS, in this new year I launch an urgent call to all in Urantia, I wish that you make peace, and live together as brothers, my love for this world is from the day I created it"

"There is something that hurts me greatly, it is seeing you submerged in disharmonies, I know that the straying you show is the result of rebellious actions, and that you are blocking my public arrival, you must know that I have always been aware of you, it is false that I abandoned you because of what I lived through among the things that happened in those fateful days, today we must overcome that, and look forward"

"We are here in Urantia, and we plan to improve this sphere, and its population, we are optimistic, and we always hope for a change towards the love of the UNIVERSAL FATHER, from the beginning, Urantia was created for that purpose, of a beautiful planet for the advancement of its inhabitants"

"What matters now is how you treat each other, there is an easy way to To enter this business, we will call it that so that it is familiar: is to serve, you know that every day I dedicate it to serve you, just as in the past we do today, being useful to those around us is a simple way to enter into my recommendations, this attitude must extend to the planet, today you can take it as the home where you are all, and you are my children without exception, I beg you to listen to each other, to open the table of dialogue, and to get to know each other, it is necessary that you stop looking at the ugly of the other, it is urgent that you forgive each other, judging each other will not take you on the right path, you must forgive each other, and admit that these are new times, that my FATHER is here with me, and the course of Urantia will change, everyone is taken into account, and enjoys equality, if you analyze the DNA they are traces that make the difference, in general they constitute a single family, it is unthinkable that you find reasons to carry forward disharmonies"

"I am JESUS ending this controversial subject, I love you all, come in Good morning."

The e
nd.

Evelio Rivas.

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TRANSLATIONS / 12.1.2025 - Pożar w Los Angeles

« Last post by Andre_P on January 12, 2025, 00:45:00 am »

Ta sama wiadomość po angielsku :
https://forum.serara.org/index.php?topic=21789.msg104412#msg104412
Przekazał : Clency , członek bohater
Kategoria / Temat : Wątki nowych przekazów / Pożar w Los Angeles
« 11 stycznia 2025 r., godz. 09:19:57 »


Dostrajacz Myśli : „Ostrzegałem was kilka dni temu, że rok 2025 będzie rokiem wielkich zawirowań na Urantii, ale nie możecie się niepokoić tym, co się dzieje teraz lub będzie się działo w najbliższej przyszłości. Po prostu zachowajcie wiarę, a wszystko będzie dobrze, nawet jeśli może się wydawać, że sytuacja wymyka się spod kontroli.”

„Pożar w Los Angeles to tylko lekki wstęp do tego, co może się wydarzyć w tym roku. Płyty tektoniczne, trzęsienia ziemi, wulkany, tsunami, żeby wymienić tylko niektóre. Szkoda, że te katastrofy są nieprzewidywalne lub niewykrywalne przez waszą najbardziej zaawansowaną technikę.”

„Kanada i Australia to dwa kraje, które są najbardziej narażone na pożary, ale władze nie zwracają na nie większej uwagi, a ludność musi po prostu trzymać się mocno w środku katastrofy. Mamy jednak pewność, że Urantia nie zostanie zniszczona przez wojnę jądrową, więc bądźcie w moim pokoju.”

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Threads for New Transmissions / Re: LA wildfire

« Last post by PJammer on January 11, 2025, 11:55:37 am »

Thank you TA & Clency, for this update.

Our prayers go out to all those affected by theses fires, wars, and calamity's.

Your Kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.

Amen

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Threads for New Transmissions / LA wildfire

« Last post by Clency on January 11, 2025, 09:19:57 am »

TA: “I warned you, some days ago, that 2025 will be the year of great turmoil on Urantia, but you must not be disturbed by what is occurring right now or in a near future, just keep the faith and everything will be alright, even though it may seem that the situation is out of control.”

“The LA wildfire is only a light introduction to what may happen during this year; tectonic plates, earthquakes, volcanoes, sunamis, just to name some. It is a pity that those calamities are unpredictable or undetectable by your most advanced technology.”

“Canada and Australia are the two countries that are mostly under the gun of a wildfire, but the power does not pay more attention and the population just have to hold tightly in the midst of the catastrophy. However, we have the assurance that Urantia will not be blown out by a nuclear war, so be in my peace.”

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General Discussion / Re: NDE

« Last post by Lina on January 09, 2025, 13:12:48 pm »

Hi Clency,

I am replying to the second part of your post:
“ It makes me ponder how powerful the Second Return could have upon the mindset of people from different religions when they will be face to face with the Son of GOD. “

I think that when Jesus arrives with the Second Return he will upset everything and everyone (including us). For people of different religions it will be something new in relation to their beliefs, which they will be able to accept or not, but those Christians who are very tied to the Religion practiced until now will have more problems, because they will find themselves facing a Jesus very different from their beliefs.

He will have to act, with the other Celestial Beings, to reorganize the planet and re-educate the entire population, therefore great upheavals.

In any case, we await him with open arms!

Lina

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General Discussion / Re: NDE

« Last post by Clency on January 08, 2025, 11:31:21 am »

There are many, throughout the world, with different belief system, who testify an encounter with JESUS during an NDE and they were so much submerized by the glory of the LORD that most of them have become true believers. It makes me ponder how powerful the Second Return could have upon the mindset of people from different religions when they will be face to face with the Son of GOD.