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« Last post by Ron Besser on April 07, 2024, 17:10:48 pm »Robert, from the Urantia Book is this:
6. The Eternal Son
8. Realization of the Eternal Son
6.8.3 As persons you may conceive of the Universal Father and the Eternal Son as separate individuals, for they indeed are; but in the administration of the universes they are so intertwined and interrelated that it is not always possible to distinguish between them. When, in the affairs of the universes, the Father and the Son are encountered in confusing interassociations, it is not always profitable to attempt to segregate their operations; merely recall that God is the initiating thought and the Son is the expressionful word. In each local universe this inseparability is personalized in the divinity of the Creator Son, who stands for both Father and Son to the creatures of ten million inhabited worlds.
Ron here Robert - So far Nebadon has 3.8 million human planets to administer. That does not mean Michael of Nebadon will have 10 million in the future, but it does mean a lot more planets will appear in Nebadon in the future.
Further, the present count of 3.75 million inhabited planets in Nebadon so far does not mean another 6.5 million planets more will occur either. It is up to each Creator Son to determine the status of the total number of human planets he will contribute to their Local Universe.
I remind you that our Creative Spirit is gone from Nebadon, Robert. Did you forget that? She participates in creating the human forum, and the Urantia human form was designed millions of years ago and is now considered obsolete. But I know nothing about what is planned for future human forms on Urantia, for that is still an open question for the Deity Absolute to decide when the time comes. Do not forget that the design of humans on other planets is birth without human reproduction systems in place. Please remember other posts and especially the Pleiades forms and ask Carole Deptula to take a post from Pleiades to speak to their forms-- they are invisible to us and reproduce differently.
THE PLEIADES speak - "Thank you Ron. You are dealing with a virtual cabal now and that makes these communications very hard to produce; however, you are well enough done to get the direct voice of the Pleiades now:
"Human reproduction originates as a human form not. You proceed from an animal form on Urantia to a human form as you are Ron being fully Adjustered to the end. For that reason man goes from an animal until about age 14 if all is working well, and then he becomes human with the addition of an Adjuster now much later than it used to be. As a result you are running out of good human stock until much later in the age group, and it shows in the terrible loss of humans due to ageless Adjusters insisting the child be ready for adulthood much earlier now.
"When this occurs frequently now there is nothing to stop children becoming far too immature to take on adult living without an earlier Adjuster. Why this happens now is not known, but the entire reason seems to be predicated on the fact that the animal nature on Urantia is increasing, and the adult terminology of the old Urantia Book, is far too sophisticated for younger pre-humans to grasp.
"For that reason, there cannot be a human holding pattern of 14 to 16 years of age as you went through Ron, but unsuccessfully. You waited until you were almost twenty (20) years of age to mature enough to be and adult at all. For that reason your life seems short, but you are one of the oldest on Urantia without having torn down a previous life to live the adult life available once you are fully Adjustered. For that reason you are more than ready to attend to the mansion worlds, but you cannot do so because the MISSION FOR URANTIA is on, and you must sustain life longer than usual to live a life of (no ease), but disease in order to gain the contrariety of living a full adult life on Urantia. Few can do that now, and here is why:
"Mankind is about broken on Urantia. You cannot maintain adulthood the way you have without going through puberty in a wild fashion. You refused to do it but you are refusing not the full estate of responsivity, and now insist that everyone you associate with show adult supervision before they make the real sacrifice to work with you as a mature adult of the realm. Not everyone on the discussion form is a real adult yet and yet you expect them to behave as such. Not everyone can yet, and you allow that to happen anyhow. That is rare and forthcoming and has nothing to do with your illness or your reserve to speak to Calk. That is a reserve which is excellent and about as close as you are going to get to a real solution to your problem of technology with WTP. That was given with the understanding you would be able to work it better, but Urantia is so difficult now you may never be able to work it properly. We have to see something better come along besides Dominick or Elise which are both adults and working well but shy to expand technology as a part of their lives.
"And finally, Robert you are getting quite old but are ill due to a transfer of your life to the United States before you were fully an adult, and that has cost you a civilization of worth to go down the drain, and force you to expand your current life cycle into a mode of poor understanding of what is required of you. You Ron have a detriment as big as your head, and that is because you have nothing to make you an adult but you insist on being one, and enjoy growing up with real adults such as General Powell and Pope Benedict VIII. They are genuinely good models of Urantia adults we and we hope you live long enough to enjoy what they produce for you yet!
"In conclusion, Dominick will appear this afternoon for you but he is leaving shortly to go home and straighten out that mess. He is not going to tell you much as he is growing older than you are quickly, and that is not helpful to you, but then what is helpful to you as you are slow to take on the responsibility of adult hood yourself, as you still enjoy the lackluster life of the younger elephants on the planet and you are not using yourself well mostly at all at the moment. K"
THE PLEIADES have spoken Ron, and surprise you accept all that said to you. Good. For most of it is correct, but you have done an amazing thing few ever do, and that is to fairly give back your life to the Master Force Controllers in order to enjoy the craft of high elevation of information and still enjoy the benefits of a very young age.
"For that reason, MICHAEL OF NEBADON wants you on staff to make sense of people who cannot age more than their chronological age suggests. In the time of General Washington, the age of an individual was the actual age of contribution to the planet. But now a 16 year old is only half that age as a human and not really human yet. That bothers you but at the same time it allows a lot more digression and maybe it is better than expected. This is all new to you and you rather enjoy it. Pope Benedict is actually 116 of age when he died and he is mighty sick of that age already. You are about 86 in adult language and you are mightily sick of the age already too, but you are required to finish your life much later than now, and we dare not speak to that yet.
"Now this: Elise you are still in your teens. Gitz you are older than Ron but a half a dozen years and he is 58 in real time terminology and would have gone over at age 29 had he left it when he came home to York after New York 30 years ago. Funny how maturity is operated best with ease of living, and he has had a tough life but living has been easy for him for years anyhow. But you grew by leaps and bounds after coming home from New York Ron. Dominick is about 74 and you Ron are bout 77 now in real terms not 81 which you are chronological age now. We must be careful with any and all of this because you age in actual years lived is 105 years old Ron and no wonder you are tired all day sometimes. In any case enough of that, and to the rest of you, most of you on the discussion forum are about 60 years of age with a few far below that for reasons of State I do not go into it.
Finally you Robert are about the age you have achieved anyhow and none of you go over with a deficit of earning your passage tot he Urantia age group you are founded in when you appear there in certain years forthcoming soon. The age for mansion world disclosure is about 50 chronological years of age on a planet and Urantia has reached that generally but it has stopped growing because of real world tensions and the inability to grow old. Ron has grown old; so has Dominick, and George, but the rest of you are relatively young and thank goodness you had the age of Ron to guide you as following a Creator Son is extremely hard, but Ron does it without a big change of habit to do it either. We let this all stand for now. Good day. I am Master Force Order #404 with 402 and 401. Ron says thank you "guys" but we corrected him just to stay Master Force Organizers entirely. K"
END
6. The Eternal Son
8. Realization of the Eternal Son
6.8.3 As persons you may conceive of the Universal Father and the Eternal Son as separate individuals, for they indeed are; but in the administration of the universes they are so intertwined and interrelated that it is not always possible to distinguish between them. When, in the affairs of the universes, the Father and the Son are encountered in confusing interassociations, it is not always profitable to attempt to segregate their operations; merely recall that God is the initiating thought and the Son is the expressionful word. In each local universe this inseparability is personalized in the divinity of the Creator Son, who stands for both Father and Son to the creatures of ten million inhabited worlds.
Ron here Robert - So far Nebadon has 3.8 million human planets to administer. That does not mean Michael of Nebadon will have 10 million in the future, but it does mean a lot more planets will appear in Nebadon in the future.
Further, the present count of 3.75 million inhabited planets in Nebadon so far does not mean another 6.5 million planets more will occur either. It is up to each Creator Son to determine the status of the total number of human planets he will contribute to their Local Universe.
I remind you that our Creative Spirit is gone from Nebadon, Robert. Did you forget that? She participates in creating the human forum, and the Urantia human form was designed millions of years ago and is now considered obsolete. But I know nothing about what is planned for future human forms on Urantia, for that is still an open question for the Deity Absolute to decide when the time comes. Do not forget that the design of humans on other planets is birth without human reproduction systems in place. Please remember other posts and especially the Pleiades forms and ask Carole Deptula to take a post from Pleiades to speak to their forms-- they are invisible to us and reproduce differently.
THE PLEIADES speak - "Thank you Ron. You are dealing with a virtual cabal now and that makes these communications very hard to produce; however, you are well enough done to get the direct voice of the Pleiades now:
"Human reproduction originates as a human form not. You proceed from an animal form on Urantia to a human form as you are Ron being fully Adjustered to the end. For that reason man goes from an animal until about age 14 if all is working well, and then he becomes human with the addition of an Adjuster now much later than it used to be. As a result you are running out of good human stock until much later in the age group, and it shows in the terrible loss of humans due to ageless Adjusters insisting the child be ready for adulthood much earlier now.
"When this occurs frequently now there is nothing to stop children becoming far too immature to take on adult living without an earlier Adjuster. Why this happens now is not known, but the entire reason seems to be predicated on the fact that the animal nature on Urantia is increasing, and the adult terminology of the old Urantia Book, is far too sophisticated for younger pre-humans to grasp.
"For that reason, there cannot be a human holding pattern of 14 to 16 years of age as you went through Ron, but unsuccessfully. You waited until you were almost twenty (20) years of age to mature enough to be and adult at all. For that reason your life seems short, but you are one of the oldest on Urantia without having torn down a previous life to live the adult life available once you are fully Adjustered. For that reason you are more than ready to attend to the mansion worlds, but you cannot do so because the MISSION FOR URANTIA is on, and you must sustain life longer than usual to live a life of (no ease), but disease in order to gain the contrariety of living a full adult life on Urantia. Few can do that now, and here is why:
"Mankind is about broken on Urantia. You cannot maintain adulthood the way you have without going through puberty in a wild fashion. You refused to do it but you are refusing not the full estate of responsivity, and now insist that everyone you associate with show adult supervision before they make the real sacrifice to work with you as a mature adult of the realm. Not everyone on the discussion form is a real adult yet and yet you expect them to behave as such. Not everyone can yet, and you allow that to happen anyhow. That is rare and forthcoming and has nothing to do with your illness or your reserve to speak to Calk. That is a reserve which is excellent and about as close as you are going to get to a real solution to your problem of technology with WTP. That was given with the understanding you would be able to work it better, but Urantia is so difficult now you may never be able to work it properly. We have to see something better come along besides Dominick or Elise which are both adults and working well but shy to expand technology as a part of their lives.
"And finally, Robert you are getting quite old but are ill due to a transfer of your life to the United States before you were fully an adult, and that has cost you a civilization of worth to go down the drain, and force you to expand your current life cycle into a mode of poor understanding of what is required of you. You Ron have a detriment as big as your head, and that is because you have nothing to make you an adult but you insist on being one, and enjoy growing up with real adults such as General Powell and Pope Benedict VIII. They are genuinely good models of Urantia adults we and we hope you live long enough to enjoy what they produce for you yet!
"In conclusion, Dominick will appear this afternoon for you but he is leaving shortly to go home and straighten out that mess. He is not going to tell you much as he is growing older than you are quickly, and that is not helpful to you, but then what is helpful to you as you are slow to take on the responsibility of adult hood yourself, as you still enjoy the lackluster life of the younger elephants on the planet and you are not using yourself well mostly at all at the moment. K"
THE PLEIADES have spoken Ron, and surprise you accept all that said to you. Good. For most of it is correct, but you have done an amazing thing few ever do, and that is to fairly give back your life to the Master Force Controllers in order to enjoy the craft of high elevation of information and still enjoy the benefits of a very young age.
"For that reason, MICHAEL OF NEBADON wants you on staff to make sense of people who cannot age more than their chronological age suggests. In the time of General Washington, the age of an individual was the actual age of contribution to the planet. But now a 16 year old is only half that age as a human and not really human yet. That bothers you but at the same time it allows a lot more digression and maybe it is better than expected. This is all new to you and you rather enjoy it. Pope Benedict is actually 116 of age when he died and he is mighty sick of that age already. You are about 86 in adult language and you are mightily sick of the age already too, but you are required to finish your life much later than now, and we dare not speak to that yet.
"Now this: Elise you are still in your teens. Gitz you are older than Ron but a half a dozen years and he is 58 in real time terminology and would have gone over at age 29 had he left it when he came home to York after New York 30 years ago. Funny how maturity is operated best with ease of living, and he has had a tough life but living has been easy for him for years anyhow. But you grew by leaps and bounds after coming home from New York Ron. Dominick is about 74 and you Ron are bout 77 now in real terms not 81 which you are chronological age now. We must be careful with any and all of this because you age in actual years lived is 105 years old Ron and no wonder you are tired all day sometimes. In any case enough of that, and to the rest of you, most of you on the discussion forum are about 60 years of age with a few far below that for reasons of State I do not go into it.
Finally you Robert are about the age you have achieved anyhow and none of you go over with a deficit of earning your passage tot he Urantia age group you are founded in when you appear there in certain years forthcoming soon. The age for mansion world disclosure is about 50 chronological years of age on a planet and Urantia has reached that generally but it has stopped growing because of real world tensions and the inability to grow old. Ron has grown old; so has Dominick, and George, but the rest of you are relatively young and thank goodness you had the age of Ron to guide you as following a Creator Son is extremely hard, but Ron does it without a big change of habit to do it either. We let this all stand for now. Good day. I am Master Force Order #404 with 402 and 401. Ron says thank you "guys" but we corrected him just to stay Master Force Organizers entirely. K"
END