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Title: Middle-east on fire
Post by: Clency on May 16, 2021, 07:14:43 am
The conflict israelo-palestian is going wild. Israel bombing of Gaza is killing hundreds of men, women and even children. If the Michael Mission has to be a priority over the other Missions, in a predictable cataclysms, with what is happening actually in the Middle East, it should also be for a threatening world war, hanging over our head. US president Biden has made diplomatic calls to both the belligerants, but it seems to be a policy headache to him. The sooner the Mission is at work, the better it will be to stop this escalation of war.
Title: Re: Middle-east on fire
Post by: Clency on May 19, 2021, 04:30:57 am
The deadly exchange of fire between Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip and the Israeli military has escalated significantly, with the UN fearing a "full-scale war" – BBC
The history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is as old as I am, it began with the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 and since then it has been « come and go », with dreadful consequences on both sides. I am not for any party and I don’t mind who first started the war, but I am concerned about lost of lives among the populaion. It is heart-breaking to learn from the media that « a Palestinian girl was found alive from under the rubble of her house nearly 20 hours after the Israeli warplanes bombed her house in Gaza.»
« PEACE » is the word order of the day for the Second Return of JESUS and I pray that this region where JESHUA Ben JOSEPH, as He was known at that time, has walked the ground during His First Coming, can be given a special attention. AMEN
Title: Re: Middle-east on fire
Post by: Ron Besser on May 19, 2021, 10:31:28 am
Clency, for your information, the western allies in 1946 felt they had to establish a Jewish homeland after Hitler tried to exterminate the race.  Winston Churchill proposed to Franklin Delano Roosevelt they take the then nomad pasture lands around the Dead Sea and Jerusalem to provide them a place to live without being subject to the murderous sentiment that triggered the holocaust in the first place.  Roosevelt really was not that interested since he had no real feelings about what should be done for the Jews and let Churchill know however he wished to set the decision into action for the a homeland he would support it.

The Palestinian people are Jewish too in the sense they are a people with many identities which Jesus called the Gentiles (Goy).  The Gentiles in the days of Jesus were openly happy to receive the  teachings and often made pilgrimages to hear Jesus speak.  However they are now living under the Law of Noah whereas the Jews live under the Law of Moses.  The British ruled this area in general with the British Mandate from 1920 to 1948.  Great Britain turned the entire question over to the United Nations which issued its declaration setting aside portions of Palestine to become the homeland named Israel in the traditions of the ancient Middle East policy to name the nation after the race of people who inhabited it.

In a sense the Palestinians are correct, but they never owned the land they claim now, and for that reason Britain and the United States see Israel as a proper statement of a democratic nation necessary for the Middle East to emulate, and likewise see the Palestinians as non-national herdsmen much as the Bedouins  are yet today.

Hamas started this.  They are encouraged by Iran and act as Iran's representative to undermine any democratic nation in the region.  Iran believes in a theocracy and Hamas has become a dictatorship pushing the Gaza Palestinians into open warfare with the neighboring Israel.  I personally consider that Hamas has shot itself fatally in the foot, as no nation in the western alliance is going to guarantee the borders of a warring nation for Palestine which is still too small and too weak to fully represent an independence it hardly can support by itself.  Yasar Arafat saw to it there would be no peace over Palestine when he declared the Jewish State "incorruptible bigotry and a loss to mankind in shear degrees of political usury."

The Palestinians remind me of the Iraq Kurds who also demand a homeland without prejudice but fall to fighting among themselves all the time over ethnic cleansing and religious differences as do the Palestinians.  Iraq and Palestine share the following ethnic groups and are at war internally most of the time of who of this group is in ascendancy.  Hamas is a tribal program of ethnic suicide as are these groups by themselves without a nations state to hide them from each other:  There are the groups who are never at peace:    

Sunni Arabs · Shiite Arabs · Sunni Kurds · Assyrians · Yazidi Kurds · Turkmen, and Palestinians of the Hebrew persuasion against the Palestinians of the Jordan persuasion, and on and on and on.  

This post could go on and on for volumes but you get the idea it is enough to tell you there is no peace with Palestinians until they lay down the law to Hamas, and their leadership is now mostly dead.  So we see it all again.  

Title: Re: Middle-east on fire
Post by: Maruchi on May 19, 2021, 11:03:21 am
Yes, Ron. As many know, Judaism, Islam and Christianity all are derived from the old religion of Abraham and their One and Only Gods are the same Deity of the universe. So, they are religions of brotherhood for the same God.
The Abrahamic religions are monotheistic, with the term deriving from the patriarch Abraham[2][3] (a major figure described in the Torah, Tanakh, Bible, and Quran, variously recognized by Jews, Samaritans, Christians, Muslims, and others).[3][4] The three major Abrahamic religions trace their origins to the first two sons of Abraham: for Jews and Christians it is his second son Isaac, and for Muslims his elder son Ishmael.[2]
[Abrahamic religions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions#:~:text=Christianity%2C%20Islam%2C%20and%20Judaism%20are,)%2C%20Samaritanism%2C%20and%20Rastafari.) - Wikipedia]

If there are some discrepancies in their doctrines, we can expect that someday God Himself or His Son or His Grand-Sons-and-Daughters would come to this earth and tell the truths about what are correct and right.

Until that day, how about to find the common doctrines of each others together for the peace?

Title: Re: Middle-east on fire
Post by: Clency on May 19, 2021, 12:00:25 pm
Thank you Ron for this magistral lesson of history, you are certainly a master in that field, but what saddens me more is that both the Israeli and the Palestians have the same ancestors, they are brothers by inheritance, as Maruchi points out, but they are not aware of it. JESUS will have a hard time to bring them together.
Title: Re: Middle-east on fire
Post by: Majesthia Gondo on May 19, 2021, 01:45:51 pm
Ismael's true father was one of Abraham's shepherds. And Abraham didn't know. 
Title: Re: Middle-east on fire
Post by: Moses Ouko on May 20, 2021, 01:05:30 am
Thank you Ron for your perspective on this.
It shows that this conflict has deep historical roots and will continue to simmer until Jesus' second return brings peace to Urantia no matter how long that will take.
Like Jesus said,there must be peace,there will be peace. Thank you.

Love and Blessings,