Important Inquiry to Discussion Forum Member Receiving Signal - see inside

[Ron Besser]

I am asking the Member who sent me an email this morning indicating an incident you proclaim has happened in Norway, what you feel has happened is still true as of now?

I take seriously what you have spoken to, but it is out of the context of expectations.  I know no such thing, and I dare not make it public until you come foreward yourself and post what you feel and hear is appropriately established or not.  I also realize this is very hard to speak to.

To those of you reading this rather disregarding post but carefully spoken to here from me, let me explain something:

A statement has been issued stating that there is a major revision to the proposed Missions.  Our member regards the fact that the Magisterial Sons are incarnated and on Urantia in preference to North America as their appearance to begin the visible mission.

First, I do not disregard this as entirely possible.  Second, there has been no indication to my radar such a landing has really occurred.  Third, the insurrection is so vivid one cannot discount that the evil they do is to attempt to ruin the announced plans of the Salvington government in such confusion the entire matter and discussion over the Missions to Urantia confuses us and the group into counter claims of what is to be.   Our faith should be directed to the FATHER and not directed into the dissection of rumors through foggy transmissions.

Would our discussion group member wish to come foreward and discuss your statement with the group here please?

Otherwise it is too hot to handle and could be a trial to divide institutional authority.  I take you seriously but prohibit that only I know this and to let it be seen by our peers as to what you think you have discovered.   Please feel free to answer here if you wish to.  And thank you for your post.

Ron Besser


MICHAEL OF NEBADON -
"You have wisely spoken to the derivative of care you exhibit always for those who carry their own transactional movements to the point they speak to things you are not aware of.  The member is not correct, but indeed receive a signal that you consider variant to the point it is extremely dangerous!  You should and it should be made public so all can suffer the doubt not but to understand how the insurrection is twisting things to sow confusion and doubt on anything said to date concerning the Urantia Missions.  Let this be a warning to all of you:  you are vulnerable to the confusion of the ages when this lets loose as propaganda meant to divide the country into two, and you Ron are not vulnerable to these viscious means to destroy the evidence we on the Spirit Headquarters must have prevail, that no such instruction has been sent as this member alleges and it must remain to the public review and kill it dead while it can be considered first at all.


"I conclude with Ron, you need to state it for us all to see Member, and then look at the evidence with the rest of us how and why such a message came to you.  You are subject to variations of thought now anyhow, and this just makes things a little worse for you if we do not discuss this in the public eye.  Thank you Ron for insisting it be disclosed entirely.  K:  MICHAEL OF NEBADON. 


GABRIEL OF SALVINGTON - "You Ron are correct.  It should be restated that Member is silent at the moment with other serious remonstrations of truth to that individual and for Reasons of State, has temporarily withdrawn from her computer and works another incident to the family too hard to understand at all.  Whatever is going on with you my friend, merely post what you posted to Ron this morning and let the chips fall where they may.  Thank you.  GABRIEL OF SALVINGTON."


Ron here -  I let this thing drop if there is no further concern within yourself Member.  And I say no more than now but believe it should be no secret post to me and let the public remove the infection it could be to the truth about our Mission schedules.   With thanks. 

END
 

[SophiaVeronica]

To all who read Ron's post regarding a post that pointed to an incident that allegedly took place in Norway.

This is Elise S.V. trying to explain what happened when I saw that a new member had been approved for the Discussion Forum as the: ‘Latest Member’.

First, let me say that I read the post on the Discussion Forum late, due to a visit to the hospital and some errands I had to make.  So there was hardly any time for a quick response.

Let me also state that I have not "proclaimed" anything. Not via transmission or any other means of communication about this, other than to repeat what I had read on the Discussion Forum and then curiously searched a bit further for information.

This is what I found, I noticed under “Latest Member” on the Discussion Forum a name. The latest member is always mentioned at the bottom of the Discussion Forum. This time it read:  St. ELVARDIEL, which means Saint Elvardiel.  

I found it very strange to find ‘Saint’ before his name and wondered; who would be calling himself  “a Saint”? That struck me and I asked myself, who is that person, calling himself a Saint and wants to be on a Discussion Forum?

I looked for further information under his personal name and found more, and I quote this from the Discussion Forum, where it says: 

Personal Text:     Super Human Minister of Divinity
Gender:               Male
Location:             Norway, Nebacru, Nebadon

His signature reads:

      Your Saint Elvardiel Monjahronson Sehrahrah SHMD
       Chief Apostle & Treasurer of Jesus Christ MiCahEl Super Human Ministry of Divinity.

I took this information to be true because this person had been accepted as a new member, and I assumed that Ron must surely be aware of this person with his mysterious signatures and high title, because he admitted and accepted this person on the Forum.

That is why I wrote Ron a personal e-mail, not secretly, but more or less to perhaps enjoy with him this very unusual summary description and in the hope that it would be more than just an ordinary member joining the Forum and would point to a real incarnation of Monjoronson or Serara in a distant, very quiet, not overpopulated country, to begin their work in silence, still assuming that Ron would know more about this.

Due to certain circumstances, I only had time to read half of Ron's posts, and that was right before Lemuel started his Lightline. I waited until the Lightline was over and did not want to discuss it there when the issue came up and was questioned on Lemuel's Lightline. I think it is appropriate to explain and answer this publicly for all of you, here on the Discussion Forum, as I was asked. 

It was never my intention to proclaim, predict or announce anything, I was just thinking of an incarnation, because of the extraordinarily different summary on the Forum that I took for true and found marvellous information, but never thought it would cause such a stir or have such a terrible effect.

My sincere apologies for the misunderstanding and problems it has caused. I realize it would have been better if I had presented the whole thing more as a question to Ron rather than as a good and true statement.

I hope everything has been sufficiently clarified and I am open to more questions if needed. I am very sorry for the inconvenience and commotion it has caused as it was not meant to be. 

Elise

[Ron Besser]

Hello Elise, and I am very happy you came forward with why you presented that information to me privately.  I understand the need for privacy on what seemed to be a new finding.

Now I never dreamed you concluded the new member was instrumental in developing anything, but Elise you have a much greater treasure of church traditions than I do, and even more fully understandable, is your knowledge is of the European history and traditions I do not know.  so now I understand why you you opened the door to my knowledge about the new member and why I immediately approved him without knowing affiliation except as a guess that he could be valuable to the discussion forum, and the let it ride as he will either evade knowing us or make himself available in conversation posts.  That is my attitude and I let it lay for development if can develop.

But Elise I also payed attention to a few more details than you are likely unable to notice since you do not work technical web work, and I say this to you, I have reason to believe the email is through a web site, and that web site is more or less the strangulation of moral obligation to be truthful about all they do.  I have no reason to question motivation other than to be glad they made themselves available to open one more facet of contribution to our more narrow interpretation of God's works.  That is my entire motive for approval, and I stand by it and I hope he makes himself  seen as he may wish.  I am aware of the exalted title and I'd be curious what that is all about, but in fact, it does not pertain to us other than a title.

Elise, I also am proud of your ability to catch some names with the Pleiades, and expect they feel you are well enough and good enough to continue that contact with them in spite of the overpowering events you are personally dealing with in your home and family.  You must get some rest, please!  Do not obligate yourself into ill health of the psychosis drains of sentimentality that drives you crazy.   You do not call that by those names but I watch those important to the Magisterial Foundation carefully, and I admit I am delivering myself into depression at times too, but you are challenged a lot and it takes it toll on your nerve fibers.  Here is a health report for you Elise by Dr. Mendoza:

MENDOZA - "You are fully aware Elise of your exhaustion and so is Ron.  He is a marvelous being being able to figure out what is driving a person.  He clearly sees nervous exhaustion.  If it is not attended to you run the danger of a stroke or what they politely call a nervous breakdown.  Your genetics keep you quietly aware but your heart is far too important to you and you are crying in your sleep over pending news for family member or members.  Take an over the counter bit of medicin that raises your blood pressure (anything with an aspiring in it will do that), and let the sundown time place you into a matter of,  NOT TRANSMISSION, but bed time for a week.  And try to sleep but Ron knows you are like him, and sometimes you just lie awake and give up and get up to burn off what you think is nervous energy.  That is not what you are burning off but you are removing the health from rest and drinking in nervous energy you prefer to keep you going.

" It would help you tremendously to take Vitamin B6 at least 200 milligrams a day.  Ron take 400 mg such is his demand for mental energy and health.  Let B12 be for yourself to as you are nearly out of it and that is found in green and blue vegetables such as broccoli and cauliflower and bean sprouts and many more green vegetables.   You are also a woman and need the fresh air of your family around you without tensions and you can get it by watching the news programs with you too.  The United States is going through a real rough spot and I doubt that brings any pleasure of thought to you, but keep her in mind as it plays a role in your future more than you know.

"Finally, Ron is aware of your strife and keeps it mind with prayers for you.  Break down under these circumstances you will be of no nerve use to the placement coming to you.  Eventually you can relax and have all this care finished in a way you do not expect, my dear.  I close with this little prayer for you and for all who read this:

"Call Me, My Lord,
Call Me, My Saint,
Call Me and I come,
Do not leer, not not faint,
And let the Lord be no taint
To the Man you call Saint.
Hear me Lord, says you:
Hear me worry Lord it is you,
Wait until the sun shines with us,
And never worry that Saint for Me.
I AM GOD, and no it.
Lover Michael of Nebadon to all of you including you Ron. 
K

GABRIEL OF SALVINGTON - "I AM FATHER, and for you Elise the day is now done already as your heart is full of gracious thanks for all you received today and enjoy the solace it brings as the crisis is nearly over for all of you.  Ron holds no knowledge and you speak it not, but the Lord knows all and let the past alone now as it is done too.  Amen. 

"To you Ron you made amends today by placing a new tape up and cutting out the work you were doing to make them easy to hear and smooth.  That will return but not right now as we must make hay while the sun shines and you are making hay all day in spite of what you suffer too.  Elise is aware of you tremendously because you drive the wheels that turn on Urantia the best and we are happy to infer this means good will from the highest to the lowest and this evening is typical but it ends fully soon.  Your concerns are negative not but really an excellent inquiry and it is settled this all ends too very well and you can return to normal after gorging on ill humor for days now.  You do not initiate it but clear the deck with it and it works very well [er, most of the time] and we stop there for good this evening.  GABRIEL OF SALVINGTON"

ARTHURA - "So now I come in to say a few words.  Do not mistake me for a heavy but you wonder why the trouble?  None really.  But you are far more sophisticated than you know and you just let it lie because you feel you must.  That one is not going anywhere in spite of visible signs it must happen, and fully this, the entire regime of CONSUMMATORS OF UNIVERSE DESTINY are gone for good as they exposed a lot and feel lost over one issue:  you fail to enjoin those possible instances of cooperation [Ron: with what? I never knew] and that is our fault now as we see it not layed out at all and we wonder what that does?

"I am fully inveighed to let it lie for now, and so are you, but there is not evidence you had any idea except interference unwarranted as it turns out.  We let MICHAEL OF NEBADON sift this out then.  [He says he dare not Arthura . . .] and we let it lie for JACK0802AB as you knew him say this:  'Eat not your heart out Ron, as I do not know either.'  In any case we are gone now.  K'"

Ron - And we close this now, Elise.  A lot of water has flowed over the dam for you and you need a picnic by still waters now.  Be in His peace Elise and good day for now.
Ron

END not, this is GABRIEL - "You Ron are lost not but wailing over losses to your heart and health and who knows what else lately.  You have taken a turn at calling a spade a spade but it is not as you see it, and for that reason you will have reason to rejoice soon as the entire matter is under clarification and it will work just fine.  The WTP is in a battle not yours but they must relent as there is no proof it does not work.  K  GABRIEL OF SALVINGTON at your service fully soon to all of you too.  K" 

MICHAEL OF NEBADON -  "WE are sure this is final to all.  Ron, you are tired too and break down and just collapse at times and that is ending shortly and you will survive this week and then let it be for good as one you care for remains in spite of ruination in origins, and then takes you on for real to understand how this all works out without a hitch to your plans with RAYSON again and the SERARA AND MONJORONSON, and RAYSON sitting pretty in the RAYSON CORPORATION too.  It all falls into place and you can be a true king tut briefly and then sell it all back to us for a dollar.  K"

Thanks very much Gabriel and to the others for your explanations and help just speaking up does for us.  Good day to all. 

END

[SophiaVeronica]

A late response, but I was in the hospital today for eye surgery and can't do much until the bandages are removed and the sun starts shining again!

Thank you Ron for your reply, also GABRIEL, ARTHURA and Dr. MENDOZA for your words and advice and for the little prayer. I  appreciate your attention and what you do for us humans when we need you. We never have to ask our heavenly family because you are always around to give your time and care. 

My heart is always "full of graceful thanks" for what I receive every day, even when the sun is hiding behind the clouds and difficulties come my way, I know that Father is always there, along with our spiritual family, to reach out to us. That is how good and beautiful life is.

I will take everything that has been said to heart and give myself a break from time to time to avoid falling into an unhealthy state. I take B-complex tablets twice a day and perhaps I should consider increasing the dose a bit. Thanks again.

Elise