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Thank you JRL44.  I have something else on the stove too.  Maybe you are not interested, but ever since some moron burned Dr. Sadler's diary after he died, there is no real history as to how the Sadlers and the Kellogs got involved to bring us the Urantia Book. 

suddenly three days ago I had a history presented to me that is only one quarter done, and that means a total of about 40 type written pages is available if I can get to them all.

It is a very sad thing Robert to see people refuse to be educated about important history and those who read the Urantia Book with awe are so trapped with a Foundation that refuses to come clean about its inability to take charge of the revelation as it should have been presented and used by them over all these years.  They think they are doing fine, but they have failed to understand that they wrapped it in an enigma and then let it go limp in the arms of man who never knows what to read or believe in unless he is well instructed.

We have determined Robert that the entire idea of mankind on Urantia is ready for good news, but has gotten so tied up with crystallized institutions in religion, and yes, even science, we have to see to it that the Magisterial Mission to come, knocks some sense into heads that are truly incapable of thinking themselves out of the box of stagnation and conspiratorial stories.

It reminds me in some ways when Copernicus announced to the church that the earth rotated around the sun and not the sun orbiting the earth.  They threatened him with death if he did not recant his findings.  When he did not they tried to shoot him five times, and finally let him be when he fled Italy to get out of their murderous ways.  Copernicus started the scientific revolution for western civilization.  Now we must start a truth revolution for western civilization, and the sad part of it is that the very places we ask to lead us see nothing wrong to refuse to acknowledge the change that truth brings.  That truth brings a new revolution inside the Magisterial Foundation is true too and to all of you with the Magisterial Missions however they are to be presented on Urantia.

I am so sorry there is so little collusion between readers of the revelation and ourselves.  I have begged and borrowed arguments to get that to happen yet no one finds it pertinent enough to look at the very same thing you do Robert:  "Why must we fight over fortune?"  The facts and truth is fully given by God and most groups refuse to accept the invitation to come to the table and feast.  I will never understand the likes of a Urantia Foundation which still considers the ability to hear the truth through the Voice of God, as certifiable madness, yet they partake of this news through the Voice of God, daily just because they are surrounded by it and never know it.

I thank you for your kind evaluation and look forward to meeting with you later today on the Tuesday Lightline. 


Thank you both for your kind evaluation.  It took me three days of writing and actually all three were rewritten twice and then I am still concerned that it is not enough.  But at some point I have to give up the effort as I worry to the point I do not sleep well about things like this.

Sue, one of the things I did not cover is the psychic circles.  I have mentioned several times now and it is confirmed today, there are no psychic circles to evaluate spirit progress for the human in his infancy on Urantia.  Adjusters transfer the learning we have to their own insidedness as part of themselves too, so the supreme was not the only high being that could use and evaluate the worth of our individual experiences.  But when the supreme crashed so did the idea of psychic circles go down too.  The Master Spirits look at the old way of evaluating us through psychic circles acquirement, and are generally in favor of reestablishing the criteria, but so far they see no good relevance to put them back in place.

Agondonter status, which is a morontial designation to humans when they come over now, and is not a status on Urantia now or any other inhabited human planet.  Michael has decreed that if you worked your tail off to help God on your natal planet, then when you die and come over, you will be assigned agondonter status there and then.  Most people here Sue, and I mean on this web site who read it regularly will have their agondonter status revised when they are resurrected. 

For those who do not know what agondonter status is, the label is affixed to our names because we believed in God without a representative of God being present.  No contactable rep of God exists on our planet ever since the big rebellion that started over 250,000 years ago and lasted until 1986 when it finally was adjudicated by the Uversa Supreme Court.  Uversa is the planetary capital of a superuniverse we live in called Orvonton.  Orvonton has three top rulers, the thre Ancients of Days and they were created by the Paradise Trinity to handle one tough job of administration.  There are a total of seven super time galaxies and each one is ruled by 3 Ancients of Days and it is they who are the Supreme Court judges as only they are allowed to decree life and death punishment.

Agondonter status, when it is won on one's natal planet by behavior that sees to the workings of God on that planet, is worthy of a brief look as to just what it means to be an agondonter.  Some people capitalize it, but I leave it in small letters only because we have so many capitalized words these days I just leave it as a title for any of you who love God and tried to make Him known in your community.  Unfortunately on this planet we have not had a visible representative of God for over 38,000 years.  We have forgotten, because of that, what it is like to make visible contact with such divine persons.  But that should change when the Magisterial Missions allow the re-appearance of a visible representative of God once more.

Being an agondonter when resurrected means you are placed in a set aside place on the worlds of your resurrection.  Our earth belongs to a Planetary System that has about 642 inhabited planets in it.  Of that 642 number, 86% if them are human and they all look remarkably like us.  Only when you observe humans outside of our planetary system do you get what you might call and alien looking like a thin Casper the ghost or some pointy faced ones.  Those are visitors we glimpsed usually from two Planetary Systems found in what earth calls the cluster of stars named Andromadeus.

Our Constellation leader, Andromadeus, likes the name so much he names Himself to us as Andromadeus when he speaks to us  We should recognize that this Planetary System earth belongs to having a total of 642 inhabited planets, the remaining 14 percent inhabited are Midsoniters, and they look like we humans, but have a life span of 500 earth years if they lived on Urantia.  Just realize all of these planets share one set of resurrection worlds, and they have their equivalent of being agondonters too.  All meet, if you are an agondonter, in the special sector of agondonter activities on the mansion worlds used only for this particular planetary system.

"I am delighted to share this through Ron this morning as he is ready to quit the entire charade of work if he cannot get free of his pain and suffering brought on by a big fight he had with the Creative Spirit when she insisted he  bow to her insistence to modify his life or die.  He said she was shameful for even suggesting to cut across the free will prerogatives all humans have to choose their path if possible and they fell to very serious disagreements.  That cost him his legs and his eyes and now his heart and soul.  He is an agondonter as is Sue and Wendy and Lemuel and Amethyst and all of the rest of you for sure.  What sets some of you apart though is that Ron has insisted you learn to transmit and transmit well.  That earns you more status and on the sector that houses agondonters, there is one neighborhood set aside for those who can transmit.  It is a special privilege and no one ever loses it once you are resurrected with it attending upon you personally.

"Ron will never lose that status and he never lets it go if there is a lesson to teach.  Agondonters have six different ways of becoming FINALITERS.  The Finaliter status pertains mostly to hose humans now who have proven themselves ready to fight the good fight for the appearance of a Mission Son or for the FATHER Himself before the tribunals of time.

"For that reason, you Sue and Ron in particular, will be awarded the Grand Cross of Urantia, and wear it as a privilege on Urantia sectors only when you teach on the mansion worlds what it means to be an agondonter.  You Ron look at the agondonter status as passing, but it does not now.  The Urantia Book tells that it does disappear once you become a spirit, but no more, as the agondonter experience is now a permanent part of your record and that stands mighty high among beings who are so fought over they hardly know what day it is answering questions you have about why they stay in the Local Universe instead of becoming Finaliters.

Finaliters may disappear as a status now that the supreme is dead and gone.  The Finaliter took an oath to the Paradise Trinity to serve it alone, and Ron already has sworn such and it stands on the record that he has done so.  However. the supreme looked at agondonter status as a miss-firing of Justice, and ordered all Finaliters to obey one command:  serve the supreme first.

"Ron so seriously disagreed wit that injunction he threw the supreme out of mind and reminded him that those who are indwelt with Adjusters always have their allegiance to the Paradise Father and no one dare question it.  The supteme proceeded to blind Ron there an then.

"Agondonter status also confers the ability to know the supreme once more not but to know the Master Spirit of jurisdiction over any particular group of humans who are resurrected with agondonter status.  In this case on Urantia, those who carry that status forward into the mansion worlds, they also become wards of the Most Highs.  There they become more and much is held back at this point, except to say agondonter status is now rare and it should be, but that is a story for another day too..  MICHAEL OF NEBADON. k"


Part I
 What This Site Is About
 Unconfusing You . . . Maybe

Language Problems
Most guests who look through what is talked about on our discussion forum are baffled by the subject material.  We offer this to “unbaffle” you, and to tell you what motivates the reason we speak as we do.
 1 - The whole idea of this site was to bring attention to the fact that there is a huge revelation on earth, called the Urantia Book, that speaks to the history of our planet and how it was formed and the accidents it encountered to be the kind of world you are used to today. On top of that history, the revelation writes how we live on a planet that is really a spiritual enterprise, and is  let to  run laissez faire  as human lives do with mundane matters day to day.  The spirit directories are not seen because they let time run and evolve changes and learning.  You as a guest hardly know the facts, but one of them is that this local universe space about 100 light years wide by 85 light years deep is home to 3.75 million planets with humans much like us to rule over.  We are in the Milky Was Galaxy sort of, but most of that number lies on the other side of the Milky Way Galaxy by accident.  That is just the way creation happened to place our planet, and special reason for it.
 We know those things here in general as a whole lot more because most members made themselves available to read The Urantia Book  revelation which is loaded with such facts and figures.  We placed
  link at the top of the page of our discussion forum to look at the table of contents alone as that shoul speak to its scope and pleasure to read.
 So we now know where our vocabulary comes from, for as in any expansion of facts, new language comes with and we use to discuss the problems we face today where it applies. The fact is, however, that once you have a cosmology  text book explaining earth origins and how it is directed by the world of spirit to raise us, then some new language has to be created a lot more to explain what man has yet not entirely  addressed about earth origins and human origins on earth today.
 Remember: LANGUAGE, new language, has to be learned to deal with explanations about how we came to be human and how we live in the context of the really big picture our planet participates in without explanation to you since forgotten history is hardly ever intuitive.  That is, to you without explanation until things are better explained in the cosmology text they wrote for us to read.  That is indeed what the the 5th epochal revelation writes about, and it is called epochal since it fits every human mind for the enitre planet to read.
 Most who write on this discussion forum use the language of explanation the 5th epochal Urantia Book uses to tell us of origins and spirit context of our lives today.  And that is also why a guest may find reading us baffling as the new language has expanded meanings your dictionary may not have in it.  I use a Webster two book edition dietionary dated 1935 or so, and that has word meanings better explained than dictionaries often do today, and why I say that, is that the book was indicted into the English language over two years starting in 1934 and well into the year 1935.  The book uses those terms of that day fully and well. One can wtill find old dictionaries in an ild book store and I suggest you would benefit greatly to buy one of those ole fashioned books while you still can.
 2 = The whole idea is that when we discuss many such things here, they are in depth not addressed or are not available as discussion points in other places around the world which talk about religion and government and spirit changes.  Yes, and even about science we still have not caught up with in our nuclear triggered world.   It is therefore baffling to many who are interested in spirit but in true measure, have no real idea what the term spirit means or how spirit persons are real persons but act differently to the same things that happen to us that also happen to them.  Epochal revelation as the Urantia Book adds meaning to our language, and is  also  a good teacher about how spirit persons react to us and we to them.  The church view of all of this and scripture barely touches the truth of actual lives in spirit touching our lives on earth, and that is just why the 5th epochal revelation was written to help overcome that social divide that man-religion such asin most churches fails to recognize at all.  There is a 500 page biography of Jesus at the back of the 5th epochal revelation if you would find learning what the young childhood of Jesus was like and well worth the read a few times just to get all the new life facts that appear there.  We are all familiar with these artifacts of the life of Jesus of Nazareth as members here.
 Those of us who discuss matters on this web site have modified our lives to include these extra dimensions of understanding and speech; hence,  what appears as an irregular point of view regarding so many different things the cosmology opens us to, we use this site as a meeting ground to expand points of view and learn we are not alone in possessing these extra facts from our Urantia text book.
 Purpose of Life
 This site does talk about purpose too.  No one with the book really is ignorant of our purpose to live, but the rest of the world never bothers to ask about it much less finds a text where it is discussed so well.  The purpose of any intelligent life is always spiritual, and  that is often spoken to in life terms most guests never really use.   Basic vocabulary includes naming the spirit organizations which promote purpose of life and do that work on this planet.  The Jesus revelation that forms our Christian Churches, never had the time for Jesus to develop this detail in the short life of Jesus of Nazareth.  But that does not mean greater and more hidden meanings we deal with through a new history of our planet and its purpose do not exist or are really new; they just never gotr mentioned in the earth life of our Bestowal Son of God  They do exist and Jesus died before he could get to all of them. 
 So these statements are derived to tell you we base a lot of our speeches to each other on language derived from a major revelation to this world no body reads and no body much cares too for what reason that is true baffles spirit too.  That reason alone where no one wants to be really informed now so  complicated the idea of a Second Return, the planning has had to start over at least twice more in the past ten years alone.
 3 - That brings us to the third point we need to show some explanation for.  We humans who discuss things here expected that the 5th epochal revelation would guide us for centuries as that text hook, The URANTIA Book (And Urantia is the name of our planet in the spirit dictionary, and it is pronounced phonetically: YOU Ran Sha), was designed to be a good text for at least three hundred years when it was published in 1955 by the Urantia Foundation of Chicago.  They are the ones who took the dictation of the text book and put into publication.  However, that proposed three hundred year forecast for it to last got a very rude shock lately.  This web site discussed that shock and is still trying to figure out what to do with a spirit rebellion that let loose over a major section of the Urantia Book that needs to be deleted.
 The Urantia Book is not scripture and it is not a Bible; it is a primer and a text book to learn the basics of the rulership of a God centered life.  The Papers or chapters that make it up are authored by spirit persons who know completely what they are talking about, as most of them have appeared before God the Father and the Son, and the Spirit, in their routine assignments in universe cosmology.  They write beautifully, and we have the Order of Melchizedek doing the conforming of style to read the book in one voice.  No one ever seems to understand that, but so many readers find it time consuming to tell others why it has no author.  Oh, it has an author, about fifty of them, and one voice maker, Mantutia Melchizedek (his name is pronounced phonetically: Man Two Sha). 
 The Purpose of Life that is taught so well in the book and as well in other places if one can find those texts, has several levels, but at the earth life most are in now, it is to gain enough experience to develop a soul– an actual vehicle designed to take all experience memory and life styles, to the resurrection halls to start life again.  Yes, there is a lot more but this is not your cataclysm for such.
 Site Outreach with LIGHTLINE
 Many sections of this web site are devoted to something we call Lightline.  It is a telephone conference set up to reach out with spirit voicing many of us have been taught to do, and that is to speak to the truth of changes to the revelation and to spirit in general, if man is ever to understand what is at stake, the Urantia Book suddenly should become very popular.  However, what should make the book popular if ever is jolted by the fact that the spirit rebellion that took place in June of 2019, knocked the 5th epochal revelation by forcing changes the book does not speak to.   That means it has to be corrected and this site imagines we can help work on it with them.  They may say no, but we have offered it by most members on it now/
 Finally, we are sure there is nothing much to be said until the God of All decides on how to use not only those who are guests here, but also to use some members of the forum seen here.  I am your host since it was my idea  to do this kind of place to have these kinds of discussions.  Owning it has no particular power but to make sure I keep paying the bills to keep it on line. 
See Part II next.

Part II
What This Site Takes On
Unconfusing You . . . Maybe

In Part I, I pointed out that when viewing this site, we see it is about religion but strangely so for we use a vocabulary that is derived from an epochal revelation–  the 5the one to come to our planet in the last million years.  We designate what in Biblical terms makes sense to the guest who learned the revelation of Jesus in the language of the Bible, This site has a spirit bibliography of their records of His life and it is five hundred pages long of great detail.  That new perspective on the life of Jesus requires a lot more language compared to the less detailed writing of the four Gospels of the New Testament.  We do not apologize for that privilege, and neither do you as our Guest, and there is no mistake to accuse any of us for that set of circumstance you find here on this web site.

When I started this site I knew that difficulty of language  existed and decided that the site to discuss Biblical subject in new terminology was very helpful anyhow, but would limit me and the members who came to it, to the extent we would be set aside as some sort of “ist” that had no real importance to the church or even the curious.  I had to accept that because the 5th epochal revelation, by sheer necessity, had to break the ice around Biblical knowledge, had to get its main point across in a different venue, and so it has with its cost of sounding more different than it really is.   Our knowledge is Christianity and of a new age of life for the soul because the soul is now educated with the new revelation as we are, and both parts of ourselves get a big energy push just for knowing what more is possible than the church of old.

Study that main point inside modern epochal revelation, and that should tell the reader that man holds no real progress without transformation, and that transformation toward God consciousness is a joint enterprise between the forces for good and the forces of man personality to join together to reconstruct mind attitude toward the necessity of embracing through faith and revelatory education, the power to change the life of a Good knowing animal we all are, to a new being no longer a :thing,: but embraced as a God citizen eternally.  The child cannot know this yet, but a surviving adult at the end of a life span on earth, does know there is nothing left but to embrace the new life without the human helpmates that got him to the transition for a brand new life in spirit led fashion once again elsewhere.

For the most part, many humans might say, “I rather just go fishing as no one can get their head around so much and then sit still and rot out the remaining days left to one on earth and not be able to raise one single finger to change one’s inclusion into the divine workforce.”  May who read the 5th epochal revelation are stymied with the lack of direction, and the funny thing is, the Revelators see that a grave error not to have provided a handbook about how to study the 5th epochal revelation, and what the religionist might do to start work on the eternal goal of researching the main life of Jesus as the example of how to live the perfected material life on this planet.

The Man-God who Bestowed Himself on this sphere as the Son of God, and with followup corollary as son of man as well, never forgot who He was, but never made that clear to anyone unless they independently discerned it by seeing him and hearing Him teach.

The membership here does understand the nature of that Bestowal, but we are also assured we hardly understand why it was made and why the tragedy of the Cross became part of the conclusion to the Bestowal of Gon on Urantia.  We are known through out the stntinet universe, this planet, as the World of the Cross, and that generation of plutocrats still shames you and me to this day for actions that have no language to describe its horror or its infamy to anyone.  If there are sins of the Father for us to bear, it is that murder of Jesus by a religious organization, the Sanhedrin, which knew not the God of Israel, but the god of supremacy that still would kill if its plans for hegemony were seriously interfered with. 

 Readers of this site must come to grips it is not this site, and it is not entirely you the reader, to see we are dealing, on earth, with an indisputable set of circumstances that no one who has a regular education, can we cope with this rule of evil law that desecrates man while praising him.  Black is white, and white is black, and that is what evil would have you believe, but it is never true as the mind does not lie, but the self can, and hence we must now deal not only with languages of madness in the current way of life on earth, but in the very Bestowal of Jesus of Nazareth, we see He was cheated by the very force that is evolution misdirected and misspent over the purpose of life in the first place.

We who write these things to teach the hidden meanings of life through the religious impulse, see the bait and switch.  Black is not to be exchanged for white, but mislabel the two contrasts, and utter confusion comes into play because Jesus trusted aspects of experiential life but was lead into the defeat of death by overpowering forces which are against the goodness of the son of man, and the Son of God.

Spoken directly to, god the supreme never believed that Jesus was useful as the Son of God.  Jesus as the son of man never believed that evil could permeate the forces of an evolutionary Deity, never fully revealed to anyone on this planet except as part of the 5th epochal revelation, and then it was partial and disrespecting the force it came to be only in the past few years if at all. 

We are not here to describe the faults of design especially but we do not point them out as members of this site are aware of the trickery and dishonesty of a natural evolutionary force misdesigned to help man progress but, in fact, thwarted anything that held the supreme back to understand at all, and then in turn, man removed by the supreme as in its way.

A Word About Clairaudience as Lightline and a Force on this Site
By now the reader of this material should be informed that his site is more than a discussion forum, but we never really ever talk about it much, as it is too difficult to explain it ever as operating.  But clair is at work, and inescapable direct and insistent to be used and heard.  Clairaudience is the ability to hear a direct voice link from the divine rulers of the universe into the human mind and ear, and the ability to speak a direct statement the instant it is spoken too.

Your writer, Ron Besser, developed it in the late 1980;s, and as a consequence can teach it well enough to others who can adopt it to using it on a web site to address, not only the attitude of God to our doings on earth, but to aid future divine missions with information that helps all to prepare for a divine mission.

This site is apprised that several divine missions are being prepared under great difficulty for man to hear on earth.  We who are clairaudient hear the statements find and print them out here as they occur, but readers who happen by cannot fathom the process and that is because they are taught to believe that in psychotherapy hearing voices like this is not clairaudient but schizophrenic or some other psychosis without a proper name.  Jesus Himself was clairaudient.  How else do you think he knew the ass wa tied to a tree for his entrance into Jerusalem in triumph over the killers in the Sanhedrin?  How else do I know that the body of Jesus in the tomb evaporated with Archangel help>?  This is not fantasy to the Bestowal plans and it is not fantasy to me to inform by writing what the truth is in important matters?  Believer yourself, and not what people help you believe through social pressures.  That is what Jesus often referred to man swallowing camels and gagging on gnats.

That is why this site can behave abnormally at times, as a number of the members have learned clairaudience we sometimes call T/R, Transmitting/Receiving or sometimes just the expression, the ”Voice of God.”   Take your pick as they are interchangeable labels.

Our Planetary Status and our Human Status by Spirit Analysis

The evolutionary status of this planet is so out of kilter now with the ideals of democratic governments.  Further its huge over-population of this sphere will strangle it until only crab grass will be happy to grow on what was once arable land.  That spoken, we are still dealing with the spiritual disaster of a Divine Son cruelly  murdered on earth, to the point that those UFO’s that are allowed to visit earth, have on their star maps the blue planet labeled, “World of the Cross.”  I kid you not! 

“The World of the Cross!”  Barbarians and idiocy like that still prevails to knock down anything God tires to install or engage or give humans on this planet who find the entire subject passe.   Many guests consider this site poorly run and often impossible to sound sane.  Sane?  You use the term according to your own lights but the term applies to some of the guests who think we are the devil incarnate for judgement reasons that would send any judge to the gallows if the Paradise Trinity judged them on the spot/

But then most members here have the profound embarrassment of understanding they are part of a World of the Cross marked on star  maps when tourism is allowed to this planet.  You wonder why many UFO sighting might abound?  Observe yourselves as being part of the zoo they come to see where a Bestowal Son was murdered and their mystery is to show their paying tourists to earth something Murder on the Orient Express might and could speak to.  The real culprit turns out to be  in the family of God. God the supreme did it and the Sanhedrin was its agent. John the Revelator suspected it and had a wild dream to read it well enough to label it the ANTICHRIST.  So we really know now where it was hidden and now we pick up pieces and know this universe age is changed permanently, but to what?  I am not sure we need go there as the yellow lights are blinking for me to pass this point in this Part and finish it for good.

Part III next:
    Why Would Jesus Return?

Part III
What This Site Is About
Unconfusing You . . . Maybe


This web site is famous for not stating good definitions just what it is talking about.  We do not use preambles to define the players in what we talk about, or why they are important.  Such things are assumed to be part of the text book we are mostly all familiar with. In the past Paper I referred to the apostasy of the deity of the supreme.  We all understand the term “apostasy” but most have no idea what the term “supreme.” refers to, but members do.  Supreme is a text book term to denote the existence of a powerful Deity entity that is the overcontrol of evolution.  It can and does adjust earth conditions so humans can evolve well. It also takes human experience and nationalizes it in so many ways and that is to make material experience known to Infinity.  The supreme did not do that lone but placed it to the Infinite Paradise Triniy, to work the Infinity codes so it too knew what material human beings do and did.  Unfortunately after eons of existence, this past year on this planet, we learned of a catastrophic event that took the supreme out of its position to do these things and we are left tring to talk about what God might try to do about it.  

The reader must somehow begin to understand that it is a very minor problem not understanding what we talk about.  The Guest for sure shares with every member here, what are we going to do about losing the best interpreter man ever had to provide the existential ( the word is used on this forum to mean, infinite, but also close to being more than infinite, if that can be swallowed just a little.)  

Realize to you historians who maybe read this site, the supreme is an evolutionary head.  It alone enforced evolution to take charge of human planets and to force,  in what Darwin spoke of as the Survival of the Fittest, as a way to strengthen evolutionary causes to the existential Deities Themselves.  The supreme made it clear on this planet, that if you cannot use your brains and think sometimes, you are not going to be resurrected. In horror, man on this planet is in retrograde evolution many times and as a result fully one half of the people who die on Urantia, have an uphill battle before the Judges– Peter at Saint Peter’s Gate to some of you–  to resume living to evolve.

The supreme and High Crimes to Jesus

On top of a collapsed evolutionary Deity of the supreme, the evidence is now creeping out that the supreme was guilty of putting brakes on the wonderful work of Jesus.  That seems to have happened while Jesus was teaching and even the wife of the Roman Legate. Portia, spoke of his drawing power once day she passed by him speaking to a delegation of Greeks who wanted to know how Jesus was actually superior to the Greek Gods themselves.  She never knew the subject but her testimony is easily found on the Internet. She was a high fashion lady of wealth and splendor as the wife of a Roman official, not Pilate, who tried to bring the control of Rome over Israel an Judea, and utterly failed until he heard Jesus preach nearby to his Imperial Offices at the time.  He decided “this man, is difficult, but beautiful to our souls.”  The supreme disliked Jesus jut because the holding power in Him was tremendous with anyone who happened to pass by while he taught.

Now after two thousand years have passed, we are finally getting the view that the supreme also tried to call the shots for the Son of God, who was existing in a relatively helpless human form.  The supreme wished the Bestowal reduced in power, but agreed the Bestowal was helping evolution just enough not to mount an anti-Jesus campaign among the Sadducees and the Pharisees,  that might abort the Bestowal and to force a revelation about the supreme that entity never wished to be known.  John the Revelator spoke of as a false god, small “g,” never realizing there was an entity called the supreme who fully qualified for the rle of antichrist Om fact, we now look at John the Revelator with awe over his punctual understanding that man would be forced to deal wit hthe evil of evils if he did not learn that the innocent Jesus, was never evil ever but sometimes lacking the insight to be as wise as the serpent he warned other to adopt when so much evil was about man and Himself/  With John’s  stunning announcement millennia ago, the supreme showed the colors John named as antichrist that now appeared and the supreme then called for open  rebellion on our planet.

This web site discusses that with great distaste.  A Guest would hardly understand what we are talking about without knowing how the Book of Revelation in the New Testament, actually named such a culprit existed, and now is dead by its own hand, but the rebellion, as this is written, is not quelled yet.

I Shall Return!

Where is He?  What was behind the promise to Return to Earth?  Why was the promise made?  The Gospels say nothing about why.  The say nothing but that it should be gladly met.

Jesus never thought about huge matters without being fully aware that his Father in Heaven thought about these matters too.  God the Father is a person.  God the Father is also a Deity.  And God the Father is a personal attribute of a self-caused cause.  The Guest or reader has to gasp at such a statement since there are no such things in the time unvierses, as a cause that had self origins, yet when you get to the existential levels of creation, we have many examples of the self-caused self-existences of entities that run Infinity.  Our time universes as vast as they might seems, are just a drop in the proverbial bucket considering the size, scope, and grandeur of the space creation.  And whilethat is nearly Infinite in itself, that which is self-caused Deity that exceeds the mechanism of Infinity has universes that have no space in them, and hardly any things resembling the need for time ever.  Jesus knew these things.  Peter, the First Apotle observes that Jesus was beside himself so often that he, Peter, never could identify what made Jesus “tick.”

What made Jesus tick was the insurmountable ability to speak to the last angel who rebelled with Satan and Lucifer and Caligastia, and Daligastia– they are all individual persons who were officials in the Lucifer rebellion– as to their cause and their remedy if they would but listen to Him.  Yes, the met with Him, and declined Mercy.  

But the snake of infamy was coiling around the Bestowal as there was collision between the entity supreme and the young man who taught the salvation of souls.  

The Supreme Court of Spirit, as there is such a thing thank goodness, took the rebels to trial and found them guilty of horrible deceit and the murder of millions and millions of early humans on our planet.  Children were forced into caves when they died young and no resurrection was allowed for them.  The high Court ordered their execution, and the deed was done and they are no more with the sordid ending announced on March 16, 1986 to the high spirit creators of ourselves.  They were glad as I was when I heard it too.

That should have opened the door to the Second Return, as I am sure I expected it as much as anyone who knew of the death of Satan and Lucifer and over one hundred  million  apostate angels and other orders of celestial  life.  Immediately, plans were put into place to do just that by 2013.  The supreme loathed the idea and sent an army to invade the places Jesus would use to return and utterly destroyed those places and killed thousands working to perfect their means to bring the Son of God back to his home among the galactic spheres of human dwelling.

But Jesus has not wasted his time until the Second Calling transpired.  No, rather, the Father has asked Jesus to teach again, and this time on Paradise to beings there live in perfection and know man not or the Jesus story of Bestowal.

Jesus has visited with transmissions to me frequently.  Like the discussions between a US President and his confidants, I must never allow what was discussed out to the public.  I did know the general plans and fully supported them as best I could.  The death of the supreme on 26 September, 2019, however changed all of it, and we wait today for the resurrection of hope once more that it can be done.

JOSHUA  BEN  JOSEPH, “JESUS,” speaks about the article written here:

“I am Jesus.  This is not a new Gospel.  This is a remark to this loyal follower of my work for generations to come and he must stay the course so that all of you may know whereof  I speak over issues you hardly know as readers of the Bible only.

“We are not concerned over the new return.  We are concerned over what to do with a humanity that is so lowered by falsecraft that it hungers for mammon, and cares nothing for the well being of your own species of humanity, I taught for decades in the sand and dust of Jerusalem and Judea.

“I spoken then of what it takes to raise the dead.  Now I speak what it takes to raise humanity.  Be aware the heart of God is not dead, but man himself is close to ending what was to be a splendid creation for all to enjoy living in and with on this beautiful sphere.  Now it is blackened with radiation, with nuclear deterrents so vile they are worse than the nuclear bombs they are to guard against.  For this reason, we must abide My time one more.  I will not return while men feast upon the radioactive wastes of Arizona and New Mexico alone.

“For that reason I state that to all of you who leave no doubt about Who I am, let it be known that I return, but not likely in your life time now, as the planet must be reinstalled as a sphere to raise souls entirely not, but to be a teaching planet among the capital spheres of this space nation known as Nebadon, the space nation which embraces all of the Milky Way you can see on a summer night in the northern hemispheres of this planet alone.

“For that reason, we must end our work on Paradise as a teacher.  For that reason I must end my work with our Heavenly FATHER, and to return to Nebadon, and earth that belongs to Nebadon as it is the Creator Son of Nebadon who was the (Paradise) Son of God as Me, as well as the uman Joshua Ben Joseph, I was as the son of man.  For that reason we take care not to overstate our worth to any of you, but we are of worth to all of you if you but remember, I Shall Return!”

And so it is spoken.

There is much more to say as follows:

The Power of God and Restoration

We must speak to the fact that the discussion forum you attempt to read and make sense of, is fully aware of the apostasy of the supreme.   The supreme  error is so huge that no human can address it.  That is, unless there is some avenue to take that agrees with the discussion forum in the sense that a Magisterial Mission might do it and all of us on that forum are ready to provide service it, but how?

There is the Power of God in a huge example of what is proposed.  This discussion forum started life as a report on the schedule of these Magisterial Sons to provide Redemption to us and the lost planet of the World of the Cross.

Yes, our world is on the star maps titled underneath its dot there, “THE WORLD OF THE CROSS.”  You and I are not the only ones horrified for living on a planet where man killed the Son of God.  It so fractured the FATHER, he ordered the Deity Absolute to hang a black mask on the Paradise entry portal, and ther it stayed until Jesus Himself walked freely among the grass and ferns of the resurrection worlds not that far away from the earth where he was killed.

AS your writer, I am quite capable of reaching anywhere they allow me ot reach, but I cannot abide it yet.  For that reason we stay away from it but to reference the World of the Cross, as a deep embarrassment as being a mortal how carries the sins of his fathers by association of unspeakable death.

The World of the Cross creates tourism.  Yes, our galactic human tourists are every bit as squalid in interests as we are who are fascinated by terrible accidents and to watch a factory burn down.  Should it not dampen your enthusiasm to learn the 1980's search lights over Belgium to see huge delta wing UFO’s pass over head, carried tourists!!!  So human in practice and,  in hindsight, it is just tourism.

I compare it to my 70 inch wide screen TV to watch a waster water treatment plant overflow.  We are not the only ones to squander technology for a glancing blow with voyeurism.

I lived in upstate New York for a little while, and daily took the Taconic Parkway back home from my offices– get this– from Valhalla.  Honestly that is the name of the little town my office was in beneath the New York water supply dam and is a little town which lives that ay and remains anonymous with good train service to Manhattan.  The Taconic Parkway in those days was famous for UFO appearances by the gazillions. It is a highway looking like it was built by the CCC but it is much older than that with elegant curbs on the sides of its four lane structure.

Those skies were full of tourists on spaceships that are usually used to scout the difference between an inhabited world and a world that has aborigine human beginners on it.  Since the Taconic Parkway traverses near the Hudson in places, the tourism industry of a nearby galactic base used it to operate tourist seats with  tapes while they followed it near Albany, to the Bronx and Brooklyn and finally Manhattan, New York City, which as a city glitters to this day to a tourism trade recently  stopped because of the supreme rebellion, by the way.  Somehow Queens never gets looked at but that old Queens Bridge with its medieval turrets and crowns gets an appreciative smile from the avant guard on those ships.


Look at the word “Magisterial.”  It tells you that they are Magistrates.  They are judges and fixers of broken planets taking origin on  Paradise.  They are the Deified agency of the Trinity but take direct origin in the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit.  Talk about royalty!  

In the case of Urantia (earth) today, the Magisterial Sons welcome the Second Return of Jesus as some part and parcel of their Magistrate Mission too.  They actively work with, and Jesus welcomes them, but they are two different divine actions, and this discussion forum talks about that probability currently.  The divine Paradise Magisterial Sons, called MONJORONSON and SERARA, are fully aware they must prepare this earth to reverence God once more, and to obey the commandment you shall do no harm.

Consequently we have now reach the point in this narrative to state the following:

Our discussion forum has taken us from just a Magisterial Mission possible in 2010 to the double dare of having such a Mission appear at the end of 2020 if the Corona virus does not get you and me first.

For that reason, this site gets punished for knowing too much sometimes, then punished for not knowing enough sometimes, and rarely are we in full agreement with the proposed Missions of Majesty these Missions represent to Urantia, as it will save our lives, REDEEM our planet, and Jesus can restate HIS purpose once more under the auspices of the Magisterial Missions.   Those are the plans for now, but even this web site gets that poorly discussed when the Creator Son suddenly has to go into exile over a dangerous rebellion attacking his life labs.  I think the Guest or reader may understand these subjects are really too big to chew on, but to take a back seat to Luke Skywalker and his drone in seat number three.

Finally, I now restate the real reason for all of these words:

Man cannot wrestle annoying consequences of a pandemic with such a tiny attention span.  That span length  reminds me of the poor Dinosaur Tyrannosaurus Rex, with this tiny little arms trying to fly, or Tiny Tim singing the Vaughan Monro song, “They Called the Wind Maria.”  

But we do have a pandemic and social distancing would be hard to get next to an incarnated Jesus this time.  Believe it or not, the biospheres of evolutionary developments do alter divine plans, for they must take into account what will be noticed by whom, when, and to what degree.  Readers you must become more sophisticated in your theology if you want ever to understand that while spirit is a great deal more than man, spirit is also having to forecast business plans of the Father and how to implement them.  The business of the Father is not spent in prayer, but in hard administrative work that has no temple or church in mind whatsoever.  I sit here and I speak with administrators like Census Takers, and Assigned Sentinels who are private detective looking for trouble to stop before it starts, and lots of other positions you as a human would recognize as work done here for any big corporation.

 Spirit is corporate and it is merciful and it is beneficial to all, but its coordination must be precise when humans are addressed, or they waste their time as your attention spans and mental processing wither in the lIght of God too well directed without a break now and then for you.  Two millennia, I admit,  is since Jesus and is quite a break a little too long, but earth should now be ready for an educational program the Magisterial Sons are well prepared to teach quite soon.

Keeping Food on The Table
With all this being talked about, for most of us, the bottom line is to protect our families from want, and putting some food on the table, when the grocery stores cannot keep up feeding too many people who are out money to buy ti.

I have no panacea to suggest how to avoid this, except to remind: The reader must not be so foolish to misunderstand he is his own best mitigator of how to survive really rough time likely to come our way.  And because there are Magisterial Missions or even church bazaars or community food kitchens, none of them will tell you what to do about extreme want.

Prudence with good intentions are the watchwords and includes Severe earthquakes can produce plumes of earth or water or salt being sprayed up in the air like little fountains.  If you see a crak in your front lawn of small fumaroles get out of there.  There is monoxide in that release and fire if the quake happens Yellowstone is famous for them.
Service is provided to man through the Magisterial Missions, and they do have command over certain civilian sectors, but earth is also ready to change its appearance over seriously over used tectonic plates that are badly worn.  Continents will shift under your feet, not just a local quake to worry about and inundation is likely in large areas to take place.

It is for that reason one should reason out where to flee if required, and that is away from the Pacific ring of ire and toward the basalt of eastern Canada at best.  We can only warn things will turn nasty if earth gets ready to shed its old skin and redefine its land masses as it has done through out its long geologic history.

We conclude Part III by reminding all that the purpose for life at all is never fully clarified when one lives in the midst of people who must learn the same thing you have to learn.  That is standard spirit practice to hold man responsible for what he does, and not for what he believes.  Yet today the churches in particular never rationalize that belief is important enough to help parishioners to become self sufficient except in very rare cases.   Now it must be considered while the population of this sphere is routinely released even from life due to vast changes under our feet.  The resurrection halls will handle what they must, but it is terrifying to live with so much want, and so much poverty, without having some idea that life is much better if there is everlasting hope it can be lived in the harmony of the spheres and in the arms of our loving Father on high.

We thank you for reading.


Some Thoughts Muses & Meanderings / Re: Where is Sue ?
« on: August 03, 2020, 06:00:54 am »
I also understand that the state of Victoria is facing a shut down again due to a large increase in virus infections there.  We do not get a lot of details in our news but that does get reported and the BBC did a piece on it in the past few days.  That certainly should add to Sue's preoccupation and pulling on her lower lip to contemplate so much at once.

I make the following comment to you Sue:  I am wondering why you stopped practicing with serious transmissions?  By that, I mean, transmissions of some length which explore serious subjects.  They need not all be on science, Sue.  I mention this because the real purpose of long hours of practice with in-depth transmissions is that it changes brain structure just enough you are strong enough to resist what are frankly conspiracy theories.  I am now advised you can not tell the difference between sensationalism and historical fact as you do not have what they used to call a classical education.

It would help you tremendously to understand there is a galactic federation, and that the galactic federation is not made up of just one Local Universe, but of thousands of them, and they exist to control space traffic.  That said, books that originate on Urantia like William Tompkins produces are not factual but suspended guesses in his own mind wrapped around real facts without correlation.  We have a huge revelation to state things that should prevent reader minds from romping in the imaginary fields of what I call the yellow press stories of sensational discoveries and governments hiding pertinent facts about technology.  I worked just enough in this area of government secrecy to know just how mundane the operation can be, and how little more they knew than the general public does.

Sue, if you would return to serious practice of transmission, some of this will disappear because it is childish gibberish I used to do myself when I was growing up and the Captain Video series was playing on early TV.  It was all about space travel and the monsters that inhabited space to fight off invasions.  That is sensationalism to sell programs and books.  Tompkins I believe is truly afraid what he knows is dangerous for you to learn about, and while I hardly know the fellow, I know the type of propaganda he produces is fascinating to read, but while some of it is factual that even I know about, he reassociates it into unlikely scenarios that help you learn the truth about our moon and its use as a base.

Frankly, it is used as a base.  But that base is to supply Urantia with the technology to disseminate the reason Urantia gets so many tourists besides serious redoubts of space techs who are here to understand things like, why does the mid Atlantic mountain ridge keep sinking?  Why indeed?  And things like why does Mount Everest appear to be sprouting a few more inches to its peak?  

The moon also serves as a spirit base to close down rebellions, Sue.  I do not bring these things up mostly because people want to get into conspiracies that blame national governments on earth for hiding pertinent facts about the moon in this case, but the truth is even if we told them all the things the earth moon is used for, there is no proof of it at all since the personnel using the base are invisible as are their crafts.

Yes, they use antigravity propulsion, but that is a technology that is fairly old on our own drawing boards too.  It was used in a probe in the early eighties if I recall properly.  Antigravity propulsion is not a good system, and it is much better used when designing personal space suits that allow one to hop around for motion one point to another in your clothes.  It is not useful for space craft and frankly Sue, you know the better propulsion systems mostly based on ultimatons and space gas pressure/  Antigravity has a better design to it as a propulsion system only on the major status spheres like Uversa, where it is used to command the presence of persons who are really prisoners to appear in court.

The point I hope you take Sue is that this investigation you have done is good for you.  But what is better is to stick to the original plan you keep resigning from because you are such a bumble and use the subconscious to investigate instead of the indwelling assignment of where to look and what to read.

We have spoken to this often before.  I fully realize it is your mind and your life and your choices, but you have a first rate mind if you can find a way to use it for the benefit of mankind on Urantia and avoid the pitfalls that some of these books offer a reader who likes to wallow in government threats to their holy existence of pure truth and afraid for everybody like Tompkins strikes me.

It does no harm except to deflect you in purpose.  Antigravity is a serious study and you must understand it does not exist just to nullify gravity.  It exists as its own force and is not a contrivance of national governments on earth to ever use successfully for space probes.  I much rather hear you at work to improve your skills and mind direction but you are so charmed by the mystery of great good being hidden by nefarious authorities on earth, you will wind up a science fiction monies that just reads a lot but contributes nothing.

That happens a lot to many of us anyhow but intelligence of mind should at least caution anyone who tends to conspiracies to leave them alone if you want to make a buck in salary better than normal by educating without the flimflam of conspiratorial fears.  There is a lot more to say on the subject of antigravity but I will hopefully hear from you what that might be in the truth of what Rayson can really telly you about it.  Tompkins can tell you mostly nothing when it comes to its use and its favors when used on the moon base it really is.


Clency, the universe age of the supreme has been swept away. but it catches people as victims just walking and being attacked by a wild animal.  You never know what lurks and for the tenth time this year, I am fully disgusted with someone trusting any of them to come back to the planet to work, and then they turn around and attack life on the planet.
If you are a theologian you would have to advise your congregation that we have to use the back stairs instead of the front stairs to go outside of the things that still attack.  That is going to let you out of here, but just what do we meet when we get outside of what we were used to?  I still understand this planet needs a Magisterial Mission, but the celestial life that works around it needs to understand why it would happen at all?  We know why.  They do not understand why it can work without the supreme and we must obey their whims if we get caught next to them as I did this morning.

Apparently spirit chooses to work with disagreement different that we do but I'll be darn if I understand trusting thieves and rebels to let them into my workshp so easily.  Maybe you can see a way through working with them and keeping things well to yourself, but I keep getting slapped out of nowhere and I have no compromise in mind to work with them that way.

It is nearly nearly 8am in York as I write this.

I was awakened at 3am this morning with the roar of very heavy rain over head,  I attempted to turn on a fan in the uncomfortable warmth and humidity and it would not turn on.  My lights worked okay but no fans.  I want to the computer and it was running.  I was then injected against my will again and now understood the fan did not work because we had a group of rebels loose again that meant business to fully stop any work going forward the dead supreme would not have wanted.

I am now cut off from any consultation with the Most Highs or Michael of Nebadon.  I am aware of my Adjuster which stands back and refuses to get involved with the doings going on around me this day.  I, more or less, am forced to consider my own counsel which is like throwing a dart in the dark when something like this happens.  It is a very serious breach of protocol and I have had to deal with one group of rebels this morning after another.  I take it, and this a guess, the planet is over run with rebellion again, and please make no important decision for yourselves based on what you might hear.  

That is the status at what is now 8am in York, Pa.
Therefore I decided to do this and since it affects a good number of you too, I write it out for you.

LIGHTLINE USA will open its doors at 2PM today if we are not blocked from getting the service up.  recently hosts have had a problem opening the service by being forced to try three even four times to get the dial in to being to work.  That shows up for the hosts; some of you subscribers have problems too, but how that might be related to the rebellion is not clear to me.

Further, I will attempt to see if we can clear enough proper connections.  I sincerely doubt there is much room for a LIGHTLINE circuit to play well when the planet is over run again with this unnecessary evil, but it is this morning, as they not only forced their intentions on me, they dared to stop my fan working, and then cleared my weather dashboard back to zero.  The dashboard now has to be recalibrated to work right again and the misery just keeps going.

With that harm and their intentions still making me very angry, I caution all of you who tune in later today that I will be there if they do not knock me cold, and I will determine just what can be done.  I refuse to bend a knee to Lucifer and that is what this supreme has pulled again today.  It might be a dead personality but its residual is alive and well so far on Urantia today to the point I will never trust communications with them around me or you.

That said here is what I think our conditions are this morning.  I do not have clear channel but I have a reasoning head on my shoulders yet or at the moment:

I think MICHAEL OF NEBADON is well aware that Urantia has been seized again, and this time MACHIVENTA MELCHIZEDEK must duck out the back door of his supreme residence on Urantia just to be sure he is not subsumed by the style of evil being produced this morning against all of us.

My poor view  is you never trust these orders of celestial life again and execute while they are doing their worst in the filed of what was once their service.  One dare not trust them or hope for mercy for saturated evil.

I leave the rest of this alone as I am surrounded by their advance personnel to rattle me and force this into a bolt of silliness but I will not allow them to do that.  LIGHTLINE USA is potentially cancelled but I will open it if I can only to close it if this keeps up as bad as it is right now.

I am sincerely sorry we have to keep hitting the fire bell.  Trust your Adjusters and little else as they can insinuate themselves into your subconscious as well as your consciousness,  Insist on the Light of your Adjuster indwelling around you.  Until later, good day.

Ron Besser. host LL USA

General Discussion / Re: UFO
« on: July 31, 2020, 04:11:09 pm »
I tend to respond to these kinds of question Weydevu only because I have a voice in my ear that does react to news like this one you showed us.  The radar contact in that fighter appears to be fully downloaded properly and I see not real advice except to say this:

UFO sightings over Urantia are declared null and void after April 17, 2020 because the reason they exist at all now is to supply rebel sources on out planet with needed nutrients and mechanical apparatuses to maintain a stage of rebellion for as long as it can be sustained beyond the clearing deadline of April 30, 2020/  That is universe policy regarding our planet only.

However. the radar package shown on this Fox affiliate is awfully loud for a radar recording and my have had some enhancement by the studio to make it playable on the Internet.  I see nothing wrong with the news item but wonder then just how old this is?

I someone playing around to get some notice with old material?  And why is the Pentagon involved when it is not the Pentagon that takes care of reports of UFO sightings but more often Homeland Security.  Where is Homeland Security unless the Pentagon had to step in because the head of Homeland Security was fired sometime this past month or so?
it is the Savlington government which controls UFO access to inhabited planets in our spare area.  Other Local Universes can and do issue reports about who visits what world, but Nebadon does not and for reasons of State. since Urantia is a Bestowal Planet of the World of the Cross.  It is singularly popular by travelers in outer space to view a planet that killed its Bestowal Son in a murderous rampage  of political hatred and uncaring government on Urantia at the time.

I am told that the World of the Cross has had six UFO visitors since April 17th and none since May 23rd and so this is either an old case or a case that escaped detection by the Salvington Space command.  I smell smoke Weydevu and not all is as reported by far.  Let me know if you hear or find more.


Carole, the above post, other than its typos now and then I was totally blind to as I wrote it, still remains a good deposition.  Above I wrote the word deposed in some form, but it is only a typo now.  I see something else I should have mentioned you these many days later.  I never give up on the idea that looking in on people is almost always a good idea but sometimes never spoken to in public.  I gave you a crash course in subconscious uses.  What I did not say is what and why the subconscious exists at all.  Simply stated, that is where mind likes to remind itself what it has learned.  IT is a rehearsal hall for your experiences and an archive of what you got out of them.

Freud is most ly responsible for dividing the mind into these layers of conscious and unconscious contact point for memory use.  Jung never makes much mention of these layers at all and prefers to let the world pass by without analyzing much about why we dream or why we hate.  Those are not mutual statements by the way, but just statements for the narrative.

For that reason let me give you a Jung evaluation and I get this from spirit as I am not even remotely aware what Jung stated or taught.  But spirit indicates that if Jung gave an analysis of your set of questions and answers, he would call you Quixotic.  That is an adjective derived from a Spansih novelist of long ago named Cervantes.  The knight, Don Quixote, was really outrageously if not mildly insane, and rode a horse and who favored getting into battle with windmills that churned in the countryside of his day which in the late 16th century or so.  Some called this character the "pink monkey." and it was about a mind represented by Don Quixote, that was never silent, and jumped all over the place facing devils and battles all around him to quell their power to harm him.  We never do learn why Don Quixote liked to duel with the paddles of a windmill, but most of us today, battle with the paddles of heartless rendering of law and injustice to the point we are mildly insane to holler and yell about race and God and government, and all in one breath.  I am known to do it with unfair taxation and a lot of other things too.

You Carole are not so much Quixotic, but seem to be fairly sure that Cervantes is your favorite novelist.  When that man lived, Spain was approaching a major land war with Great Britain over rights to the sea and their ships.  Cervantes saw it as a classical example of both governments tilting at useless causes and invented Don Quixote, to demonstrate how silly fighting is when the adversary is a dumb as a windmill paddle over why you had to challenge a fleet of ships that never bothered the Spanish badly at all.

The nature of some of your questions is normal curiosity.  Some of them are better than others, but you tilt a windmill now and then when you do not see the cause for the question in the first place.  You are sure that God is good, but doubt He cares as much as you are taught to believe.  That leads the work you do in your subconsciousness, and that is why you use it so well.  I never say do not use the subconscious, but NEVER  use the subconscious when attempting to link to the Voice of God, and frankly, most do that more than they should in every case.  I am shorn of the subconsciousness myself as I never ever liked it or used it at all as a lad or young adult.

It is for that reason I can be a super transmitter.  It is also the reason you will have difficulty being a dependable transmitter because you rely on your subconsciousness to field questions based on your experience.  That alone provide the universe an excellent soul tot rain for administrative work, and that is far different up there than it is here on Urantia.

It is also for the same reason that a person like me who has no good for the subconsciousness/  I do not believe it offers much from experience without revelation to make it work for good meanings, and the subconsciousness is not designed to do original creative analysis simply because it is already your mind and it cannot work against the precepts of your own mind and be of your own mind.  However, I can do that just because I buried the subconscious mind by the time I was 20 years old and then ran into huge categorical problems of asking "what in God's name am I good enough at to have a career?"

Of course I never knew in those days why I had a career problem to select one but I did and not until four years in the US Military did I straighten out that I was not the type ot easily use experience to determine  how I was to earn my living?  As luck would have it my dad broke the ice and got me a job with an engineering firm and I loved it.  The subconscious reaction was zero as I do not have it to get mixed up with it.  However, you do and in great preponderance.  Listen to this Carole: 

analysis is by MICHAEL OF NEBADON I speak next:
"You Carole are going to be a favorite among the Creator Son's staff mostly because you are so easily teachable and so easily earning your stripes by executing what you learn without hesitation;   Strangely enough, Ron can do the same thing, but without having the same instruction you do to learn to do it.

"Ron eats and breathes revelation.  You Carole, are totally at sea without facts having a traditional connection first and then to branch off into new learning through revelation.  But for you Carole, you need the subconscious inpute.  Ron has none.

"Therefore, we can take both of you and force nothing but provide instruction well enough you are ready for your new work almost instantly.  However with you Carole. you need days of proving it works.  With Ron he is proved in his mind it works withing almost ten minutes of receiving the instruction."

Here is the Psychologist, JUNG speaking:

JUNG: " I am famous on Urantia for not being able to fathom Freud and the various levels he identified about the mind.  However, Ron uses the Urantia Book Freud, as that is how Mantutia finally decided to describe where the Thought Adjuster resided in the human mind in what Mantutia alone called the superconscious and Ron fully understood what that was immediately.  Most readers have a subconscious mind.  Ron does not.  How that happened we ourselves are quite unsure and Ron needs to be studied a lot when he arrives as he has so many unusual attributes of mind it is not clear he is entirely human either.  However, Carole you are fully human in mind use alone and work well with other people. So does Ron but for very different reasons he alone can explain someday.

"As JUNG I am still learning the psychology of mind  in Urantia humans as Ron sees them hopelessly racist and stupid in comprehension except for materialistic causes such as the science of space travel.  For that reason he lets them alone, but is convinced a new species is required if Urantia is ever to become God centered.  AS JUNG I never bothered about religion or religious views, but Ron does since he believes that religious belief is inherent in the mind to know, and to know it so well, it as a religious practice is slavish at best, and irredeemable at worst before the high Deities of actual creation.  You Carole never look at it this way and if you did  we doubt you ever could fathom what Ron is talking about. 

"Ron requires you to do better as you fail to understand the nature of God in your own self Carole, but are always right there to understand that service is the best possible expression to work with God and learn for the subconscious part of yourself what God is really like.  The subconscious is a two way street and it insists on being heard in you and not in Ron.  For those reasons you see God in different ways but are mutually beneficial to each other.

"Carry this one step further:  you Carole never can fathom be at ease with God ever.  Ron, however, is so at ease with them, he can joke with them.  They are so unused to that the very idea of using a pun is hard for them to conceive but they can do it now.  Ron gets to laughing so hard he forgets time and hours go by before he realizes he lost the day almost. Carole run no risk of offense and Ron is constantly running the risk of offense and apologizes before he starts that he is just silly and laughs at circumstances easily.

We conclude this by saying that the world turns mostly on Urantia using the subconscious.  But there are people like Ron who have no subconscious and they are few and far between.  You could not explore God as you have without a person like that making a discussion forum available this way if Ron and his goofy mind were not available to bounce off of and see what God does when Ron sends something over they spit out all over him.  Nothing that radical ever yet but it could happen if Ron could manage to change history on Urantia and learn the ways of a Magisterial Son as it is suppose to work these days.  But we also lament that Ron was so slammed by the evil of this rebellion he may just disappear without a trace too.

"Finally, as JUNG:  we are facing a parallelogram over the issue of Urantia.  What a parallelogram is, is a house of fire that burns down in front of spirit regardless of what they could do to stop it.  Ron is a parallelogram and you are not Carole.  He is useful and you are just human.  However, he states clearly that without you and others like you as subscribers, there would be no Mission to Urantia whatsoever.  We happen to fully conclude that is the cause and case for his illness, as he must react to the hour and not to the cause, and for that reason is to be removed when the hour strikes and he is vindicated for all he has worked for and done for.

"AS JUNG, I am sure the hours approaches quickly on Urantia, and people like you Carole will benefit greatly from it.  Ron causes things to happen, and he will always be a cause to make things happen as he is that rare person who finds a cause and equates it to mankind easily.  We close with his to you and your subconscious mind Carole as essentially your ticket to the ascension career you want so much.  Ron cares that all have one, but that it must be taken for what is given and not always with your conscious choice.  He is absolutely right as the ascension career is based on your talents not entirely foreseen by your subconscious archive of experience.  We let this go now for this from MIchael of Nebadon:"

"We have concluded this lesson on the human subconscious.  Now we speak to the super-consciousness, and that is where the Thought Adjuster resides until IT provides a change of status in the human mind for good.  In Ron that resides at the back of his head under the crown chakra.  In Carole that resides in the frontal lobes,  That makes a huge difference on how the mind is used in this life time.  In Ron thoroughly independent; in Carole totally submerged in the traditions of her world.  That difference is so large it cannot maike two people any more different than these two are.

"Once Ron understands a situation, he makes hay out of it.  Once Carole understands a situation, she makes a meal of it.  Bot are valid uses of mind, but Ron cannot rest until he fully expricates the entire matter into intellectual fodder over how it is used and where to use it.  For Carole she makes it social and that is a huge difference between a thrologian and one who lives in the congregation.  Ron is a theologian.  Carole you belong in the pew.  For reasons of State, Ron was released from long work hours years ago to learn humility at the hands of angry parents.  He let them have their way and they relented and benefited from Ron tremendously.  He made it work very well to the point he inherited all they had and more than they knew as Ron converted their wealth into the Magisterial Foundation.  Just like him and not unlike some of you reading this.

"For reasons of State--  meaning we do not give reasons for it--  Ron was decapitated more than once and fell not into grieving, but into planning for a different way of doing thins.  For that reason we now have a Magisterial Foundation ready to operate but a heartless version of fate tearing Ron down into oblivion.  I allow it now but never did until now as he is so miserable in hearties physical battles he needs released into a more favorable climate.  This narrative is nearly over, but he has the rest of the day to work out how he must make no amends further and stay the course until there is a resolution up here as to just how to use this unusual young man in all truth.   And it is for that reason we conclude this narrative except to say one thing further:

"You are all privileged to hear me speak easily and that is mostly to the work Ron has done to spread this ability far and wide as many now hear how it is done and seek resolution to have it themselves.  Ron is superlative in using it but most of you do not even make the necessary adjustments and just let it drop as though it is unessential.  Ron considers it essential to keep sanity during the period of earth life so wrathful it will erupt into war again and this time the United States beware there are tough adversaries out there to be aware of including the Magisterial Sons.  While this period persists, those of you who survive it, will be asked to produce more of it, and without Ron that is tough because he knows the secrets to it and shares them with real students who need to learn it and do it.

"Concluding this paper, we are understanding the entire matter of life for Ron is on the table and it is awful to see the mayhem created in an otherwise fine body he must put up with.  Further, someone has changed his computer code and it works as they wish it to and finds that hard to take but he cannot change code back he has no idea where it is located.  His work with most of you is nearly done as we are for many reasons of State too.  He will work with ME I assure you and he must learn how to say no to questioning at times too as he leaves without a good explanation to most who know him.  We will leave it at that.  K"


Thank you Albert.  I make a correction to your schedule written now in the Category at the top that shows the schedules for all of our Lightline work.  Your schedule is now shown to be Wednesday at 1:30 in the afternoon until you may change it due to health or other issues you must adapt for.  Thank you for this post, and I know Margul too as we speak now and then recently

Best wishes to your group of people and to yourself, Albert.  God spoke to me about your illness and HE says you had a meal where you ate of the dirt or ground and there were many flu viruses in that ground and one found you and jumped into your throat.  Be very careful to put a cloth on the ground when you are invited to eat without a table as is common they tell me as as custom in your land. 

Best wishes for God in your lives, one and all of you.


 JULY 27, 2020

The MAGISTERIAL MISSIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS and this is to stop confusion before it starts. Clency you do it so often Ron just lets it ride and you do it because you do not place your mind in focus very well most of the time to get information well sttated.
This post is to set the schedule straight; or as straight as we can right now.


 This part of the Magisterial Mission is an evaluation of what has to be done on Urantia. IT has nothing to do with humans and their work for Me or for Anyone else at this time.
 Phase I is over in about three weeks or about August 20th for sure.
 NOTICE: PHASE I WAS ENDED as this was being transmitted. See the bottom of this post for effects but we include information next still important to know and I do not delete portions.

  You are all reminded that Phase II is my incarnation.

 "ONCE MORE, I state this Phase. It is to be started with any luck before August 20, 2020, and any announcements will come before that date but not for at least three to five weeks now, since Phase I just ended as this post was being transmitted.

 "Phase III has no opening ever if Phase II does not work and we will give it six years to do so. We will see to it that the Magisterial Foundations is the operative word then but not forever. I am planning a little coup over that issue too,  [Please note this readers.]
 "Phase IV is some sort of invention by the cabal and there is no Phase IV as of now unless MARGUL has something t osay about it?П
 Trinity Teacher Son 41352172537 and 423132357184 and 41613123417 and 39313231323, and finally SN's: 49163621562, Margul himself as 3132315276232 AS SPECIAL AGENT FOR ONE ASSIGNMENT ON URANTIA, and Michael as Trinity Teacher Son SN 41315372916 . These Serial Numbers represent the Team which shall introduce Light and Life to Urantia. If there is a PHASE IV, this is the Mission and the TEAM which would run PHASE IV.

Well SonsofGod, that is a lot more than I had before.  As I see it there is trouble in River City over issues we human groups should be very embarrassed to admit to ever approving we are guilty of,  This withdrawing into little parties of individual defenses against most other groups around who support the Urantia revelation, is antisocial and inevitably sectarianism at its worst.

For those of you who do not know what sectarianism is, it is the antisocial force of intellectual disparity between one group and another, as one group usually believes the other groups is inferior in belief.  Sectarianism is what caused the Protestants to break off from the original Church,  And then the Protestants with all the flags of sectarianism flying broke down into Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Quakers, and on and on and on.  It is not diversity that causes this, but the selfish view that there is a difficulty to know God without practicing certain means of catechism to achieve a better synchrony with the Father Himself/

Now look at the groups in the Urantia Book readership.  Sectarianism created the Fellowship, the Fellowship created the Bible thought provokers who believe the Bible is superior to the Urantia Book, and on and on it goes.  Now we have little Caesars like Belitsos and Raphael and a few others I probably do not know anymore, all stating that the loss of purity from anyone who is able to translate changes to the epochal revelation, is mentally ill or worse.  That should tell any of you that the entire matter of the 5th epochal revelation was never truly or ever well understood as it teaches that the cohesion of souls together formulates a better concern for God to work with man.

What we have now is sectarian pygmies and Belitsos and Raphael take the cake in their belief that people like myself are automatically scaling them abck to the dark ages to learn that the 5th epochal revelation is now seriously compromised, and that it has no future very soon to be called a revelation at all, but a false prophecy at worse, and at best, to just fade out of existence on Urantia.

I happen to believe it can do that and fade out , but that sectarian groups then come to the forefront and then we will suddenly have another sectarian church based on the wild words of anyone who can must a decent quote from the 5th epochal revelation that Jesus is sure to return, but that He must be ordered through other epochal revelations to do that.

Nonsense!  But that is how the pygmy mind of man works for he no longer is capable of truly great intellectual contributions to the theories of God without someone in the position of a Bestowal Son here to set the record, and finally, fully corrected from the mistakes of centuries of wanna-be priests either from Mother Church or the goofy revelations we have yet on the record which should be buried and left to molder out of existence.

You see the Belitsos independence is enough to misconstrue to too many people what will not be true for the Magisterial Sons are revising how to go about the Magisterial Mission because Paradise itself has ordered the Missions to start calling in their cards on Urantia, and that means, if there is no genuine interest in the Magisterial Missions, they will evaporate!  I am deeply aware we must make a racket and against sectarianism and this stupid foolishness that people like you know who Belitsos and a few others feel they are the sheep with the wool to clear from YOUR eyes best.  Well: they are little dwarf muscles in a clam shell that has their best parts to think buried in the sand of all things.

Thank you SonsofGod for the post and information.

This announcement from Belitsos has me particularly upset.  It is about a broadcast today to tell you about the Magisterial Mission.  They are not updated and will perpetuate misunderstanding of what is to occur.  I have warmed them and updated them and they consider our information scum.  Yeah, that is the type of student we now have on Urantia pretending everything is better than can be.

Link to announcement:
The link might not work as it is sent out of a filter of sorts to prevent feedback to it.  I think it is typical of people who know they are not doing right.

Light & Life Community <>


The pertinent dates:
June 21, 2019  Rebellion breaks out on Urantia and Salvington;
September 26. 2019  Supreme triggers his own self destruction- plasma annihilation of the personality of the supreme as a person.  In Havona

FYI:  As Steven states, the Magisterial Sons are going to end Phase I of the Mission they are operating presently on our planet.

Phase II has the incarnation of the Magisterial Son, Monjoronson, visible to Urantia human eyes,  There is no set date for Phase II to kick in on Urantia at the present time, but Monjoronson  did say that I would be informed in about three weeks what their schedule is to operate Phase II to start.  There is no date for Phase II right now but this year is probable.


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