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Part III
What This Site Is About
Unconfusing You . . . Maybe


This web site is famous for not stating good definitions just what it is talking about.  We do not use preambles to define the players in what we talk about, or why they are important.  Such things are assumed to be part of the text book we are mostly all familiar with. In the past Paper I referred to the apostasy of the deity of the supreme.  We all understand the term “apostasy” but most have no idea what the term “supreme.” refers to, but members do.  Supreme is a text book term to denote the existence of a powerful Deity entity that is the overcontrol of evolution.  It can and does adjust earth conditions so humans can evolve well. It also takes human experience and nationalizes it in so many ways and that is to make material experience known to Infinity.  The supreme did not do that lone but placed it to the Infinite Paradise Triniy, to work the Infinity codes so it too knew what material human beings do and did.  Unfortunately after eons of existence, this past year on this planet, we learned of a catastrophic event that took the supreme out of its position to do these things and we are left tring to talk about what God might try to do about it.  

The reader must somehow begin to understand that it is a very minor problem not understanding what we talk about.  The Guest for sure shares with every member here, what are we going to do about losing the best interpreter man ever had to provide the existential ( the word is used on this forum to mean, infinite, but also close to being more than infinite, if that can be swallowed just a little.)  

Realize to you historians who maybe read this site, the supreme is an evolutionary head.  It alone enforced evolution to take charge of human planets and to force,  in what Darwin spoke of as the Survival of the Fittest, as a way to strengthen evolutionary causes to the existential Deities Themselves.  The supreme made it clear on this planet, that if you cannot use your brains and think sometimes, you are not going to be resurrected. In horror, man on this planet is in retrograde evolution many times and as a result fully one half of the people who die on Urantia, have an uphill battle before the Judges– Peter at Saint Peter’s Gate to some of you–  to resume living to evolve.

The supreme and High Crimes to Jesus

On top of a collapsed evolutionary Deity of the supreme, the evidence is now creeping out that the supreme was guilty of putting brakes on the wonderful work of Jesus.  That seems to have happened while Jesus was teaching and even the wife of the Roman Legate. Portia, spoke of his drawing power once day she passed by him speaking to a delegation of Greeks who wanted to know how Jesus was actually superior to the Greek Gods themselves.  She never knew the subject but her testimony is easily found on the Internet. She was a high fashion lady of wealth and splendor as the wife of a Roman official, not Pilate, who tried to bring the control of Rome over Israel an Judea, and utterly failed until he heard Jesus preach nearby to his Imperial Offices at the time.  He decided “this man, is difficult, but beautiful to our souls.”  The supreme disliked Jesus jut because the holding power in Him was tremendous with anyone who happened to pass by while he taught.

Now after two thousand years have passed, we are finally getting the view that the supreme also tried to call the shots for the Son of God, who was existing in a relatively helpless human form.  The supreme wished the Bestowal reduced in power, but agreed the Bestowal was helping evolution just enough not to mount an anti-Jesus campaign among the Sadducees and the Pharisees,  that might abort the Bestowal and to force a revelation about the supreme that entity never wished to be known.  John the Revelator spoke of as a false god, small “g,” never realizing there was an entity called the supreme who fully qualified for the rle of antichrist Om fact, we now look at John the Revelator with awe over his punctual understanding that man would be forced to deal wit hthe evil of evils if he did not learn that the innocent Jesus, was never evil ever but sometimes lacking the insight to be as wise as the serpent he warned other to adopt when so much evil was about man and Himself/  With John’s  stunning announcement millennia ago, the supreme showed the colors John named as antichrist that now appeared and the supreme then called for open  rebellion on our planet.

This web site discusses that with great distaste.  A Guest would hardly understand what we are talking about without knowing how the Book of Revelation in the New Testament, actually named such a culprit existed, and now is dead by its own hand, but the rebellion, as this is written, is not quelled yet.

I Shall Return!

Where is He?  What was behind the promise to Return to Earth?  Why was the promise made?  The Gospels say nothing about why.  The say nothing but that it should be gladly met.

Jesus never thought about huge matters without being fully aware that his Father in Heaven thought about these matters too.  God the Father is a person.  God the Father is also a Deity.  And God the Father is a personal attribute of a self-caused cause.  The Guest or reader has to gasp at such a statement since there are no such things in the time unvierses, as a cause that had self origins, yet when you get to the existential levels of creation, we have many examples of the self-caused self-existences of entities that run Infinity.  Our time universes as vast as they might seems, are just a drop in the proverbial bucket considering the size, scope, and grandeur of the space creation.  And whilethat is nearly Infinite in itself, that which is self-caused Deity that exceeds the mechanism of Infinity has universes that have no space in them, and hardly any things resembling the need for time ever.  Jesus knew these things.  Peter, the First Apotle observes that Jesus was beside himself so often that he, Peter, never could identify what made Jesus “tick.”

What made Jesus tick was the insurmountable ability to speak to the last angel who rebelled with Satan and Lucifer and Caligastia, and Daligastia– they are all individual persons who were officials in the Lucifer rebellion– as to their cause and their remedy if they would but listen to Him.  Yes, the met with Him, and declined Mercy.  

But the snake of infamy was coiling around the Bestowal as there was collision between the entity supreme and the young man who taught the salvation of souls.  

The Supreme Court of Spirit, as there is such a thing thank goodness, took the rebels to trial and found them guilty of horrible deceit and the murder of millions and millions of early humans on our planet.  Children were forced into caves when they died young and no resurrection was allowed for them.  The high Court ordered their execution, and the deed was done and they are no more with the sordid ending announced on March 16, 1986 to the high spirit creators of ourselves.  They were glad as I was when I heard it too.

That should have opened the door to the Second Return, as I am sure I expected it as much as anyone who knew of the death of Satan and Lucifer and over one hundred  million  apostate angels and other orders of celestial  life.  Immediately, plans were put into place to do just that by 2013.  The supreme loathed the idea and sent an army to invade the places Jesus would use to return and utterly destroyed those places and killed thousands working to perfect their means to bring the Son of God back to his home among the galactic spheres of human dwelling.

But Jesus has not wasted his time until the Second Calling transpired.  No, rather, the Father has asked Jesus to teach again, and this time on Paradise to beings there live in perfection and know man not or the Jesus story of Bestowal.

Jesus has visited with transmissions to me frequently.  Like the discussions between a US President and his confidants, I must never allow what was discussed out to the public.  I did know the general plans and fully supported them as best I could.  The death of the supreme on 26 September, 2019, however changed all of it, and we wait today for the resurrection of hope once more that it can be done.

JOSHUA  BEN  JOSEPH, “JESUS,” speaks about the article written here:

“I am Jesus.  This is not a new Gospel.  This is a remark to this loyal follower of my work for generations to come and he must stay the course so that all of you may know whereof  I speak over issues you hardly know as readers of the Bible only.

“We are not concerned over the new return.  We are concerned over what to do with a humanity that is so lowered by falsecraft that it hungers for mammon, and cares nothing for the well being of your own species of humanity, I taught for decades in the sand and dust of Jerusalem and Judea.

“I spoken then of what it takes to raise the dead.  Now I speak what it takes to raise humanity.  Be aware the heart of God is not dead, but man himself is close to ending what was to be a splendid creation for all to enjoy living in and with on this beautiful sphere.  Now it is blackened with radiation, with nuclear deterrents so vile they are worse than the nuclear bombs they are to guard against.  For this reason, we must abide My time one more.  I will not return while men feast upon the radioactive wastes of Arizona and New Mexico alone.

“For that reason I state that to all of you who leave no doubt about Who I am, let it be known that I return, but not likely in your life time now, as the planet must be reinstalled as a sphere to raise souls entirely not, but to be a teaching planet among the capital spheres of this space nation known as Nebadon, the space nation which embraces all of the Milky Way you can see on a summer night in the northern hemispheres of this planet alone.

“For that reason, we must end our work on Paradise as a teacher.  For that reason I must end my work with our Heavenly FATHER, and to return to Nebadon, and earth that belongs to Nebadon as it is the Creator Son of Nebadon who was the (Paradise) Son of God as Me, as well as the uman Joshua Ben Joseph, I was as the son of man.  For that reason we take care not to overstate our worth to any of you, but we are of worth to all of you if you but remember, I Shall Return!”

And so it is spoken.

There is much more to say as follows:

The Power of God and Restoration

We must speak to the fact that the discussion forum you attempt to read and make sense of, is fully aware of the apostasy of the supreme.   The supreme  error is so huge that no human can address it.  That is, unless there is some avenue to take that agrees with the discussion forum in the sense that a Magisterial Mission might do it and all of us on that forum are ready to provide service it, but how?

There is the Power of God in a huge example of what is proposed.  This discussion forum started life as a report on the schedule of these Magisterial Sons to provide Redemption to us and the lost planet of the World of the Cross.

Yes, our world is on the star maps titled underneath its dot there, “THE WORLD OF THE CROSS.”  You and I are not the only ones horrified for living on a planet where man killed the Son of God.  It so fractured the FATHER, he ordered the Deity Absolute to hang a black mask on the Paradise entry portal, and ther it stayed until Jesus Himself walked freely among the grass and ferns of the resurrection worlds not that far away from the earth where he was killed.

AS your writer, I am quite capable of reaching anywhere they allow me ot reach, but I cannot abide it yet.  For that reason we stay away from it but to reference the World of the Cross, as a deep embarrassment as being a mortal how carries the sins of his fathers by association of unspeakable death.

The World of the Cross creates tourism.  Yes, our galactic human tourists are every bit as squalid in interests as we are who are fascinated by terrible accidents and to watch a factory burn down.  Should it not dampen your enthusiasm to learn the 1980's search lights over Belgium to see huge delta wing UFO’s pass over head, carried tourists!!!  So human in practice and,  in hindsight, it is just tourism.

I compare it to my 70 inch wide screen TV to watch a waster water treatment plant overflow.  We are not the only ones to squander technology for a glancing blow with voyeurism.

I lived in upstate New York for a little while, and daily took the Taconic Parkway back home from my offices– get this– from Valhalla.  Honestly that is the name of the little town my office was in beneath the New York water supply dam and is a little town which lives that ay and remains anonymous with good train service to Manhattan.  The Taconic Parkway in those days was famous for UFO appearances by the gazillions. It is a highway looking like it was built by the CCC but it is much older than that with elegant curbs on the sides of its four lane structure.

Those skies were full of tourists on spaceships that are usually used to scout the difference between an inhabited world and a world that has aborigine human beginners on it.  Since the Taconic Parkway traverses near the Hudson in places, the tourism industry of a nearby galactic base used it to operate tourist seats with  tapes while they followed it near Albany, to the Bronx and Brooklyn and finally Manhattan, New York City, which as a city glitters to this day to a tourism trade recently  stopped because of the supreme rebellion, by the way.  Somehow Queens never gets looked at but that old Queens Bridge with its medieval turrets and crowns gets an appreciative smile from the avant guard on those ships.


Look at the word “Magisterial.”  It tells you that they are Magistrates.  They are judges and fixers of broken planets taking origin on  Paradise.  They are the Deified agency of the Trinity but take direct origin in the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit.  Talk about royalty!  

In the case of Urantia (earth) today, the Magisterial Sons welcome the Second Return of Jesus as some part and parcel of their Magistrate Mission too.  They actively work with, and Jesus welcomes them, but they are two different divine actions, and this discussion forum talks about that probability currently.  The divine Paradise Magisterial Sons, called MONJORONSON and SERARA, are fully aware they must prepare this earth to reverence God once more, and to obey the commandment you shall do no harm.

Consequently we have now reach the point in this narrative to state the following:

Our discussion forum has taken us from just a Magisterial Mission possible in 2010 to the double dare of having such a Mission appear at the end of 2020 if the Corona virus does not get you and me first.

For that reason, this site gets punished for knowing too much sometimes, then punished for not knowing enough sometimes, and rarely are we in full agreement with the proposed Missions of Majesty these Missions represent to Urantia, as it will save our lives, REDEEM our planet, and Jesus can restate HIS purpose once more under the auspices of the Magisterial Missions.   Those are the plans for now, but even this web site gets that poorly discussed when the Creator Son suddenly has to go into exile over a dangerous rebellion attacking his life labs.  I think the Guest or reader may understand these subjects are really too big to chew on, but to take a back seat to Luke Skywalker and his drone in seat number three.

Finally, I now restate the real reason for all of these words:

Man cannot wrestle annoying consequences of a pandemic with such a tiny attention span.  That span length  reminds me of the poor Dinosaur Tyrannosaurus Rex, with this tiny little arms trying to fly, or Tiny Tim singing the Vaughan Monro song, “They Called the Wind Maria.”  

But we do have a pandemic and social distancing would be hard to get next to an incarnated Jesus this time.  Believe it or not, the biospheres of evolutionary developments do alter divine plans, for they must take into account what will be noticed by whom, when, and to what degree.  Readers you must become more sophisticated in your theology if you want ever to understand that while spirit is a great deal more than man, spirit is also having to forecast business plans of the Father and how to implement them.  The business of the Father is not spent in prayer, but in hard administrative work that has no temple or church in mind whatsoever.  I sit here and I speak with administrators like Census Takers, and Assigned Sentinels who are private detective looking for trouble to stop before it starts, and lots of other positions you as a human would recognize as work done here for any big corporation.

 Spirit is corporate and it is merciful and it is beneficial to all, but its coordination must be precise when humans are addressed, or they waste their time as your attention spans and mental processing wither in the lIght of God too well directed without a break now and then for you.  Two millennia, I admit,  is since Jesus and is quite a break a little too long, but earth should now be ready for an educational program the Magisterial Sons are well prepared to teach quite soon.

Keeping Food on The Table
With all this being talked about, for most of us, the bottom line is to protect our families from want, and putting some food on the table, when the grocery stores cannot keep up feeding too many people who are out money to buy ti.

I have no panacea to suggest how to avoid this, except to remind: The reader must not be so foolish to misunderstand he is his own best mitigator of how to survive really rough time likely to come our way.  And because there are Magisterial Missions or even church bazaars or community food kitchens, none of them will tell you what to do about extreme want.

Prudence with good intentions are the watchwords and includes Severe earthquakes can produce plumes of earth or water or salt being sprayed up in the air like little fountains.  If you see a crak in your front lawn of small fumaroles get out of there.  There is monoxide in that release and fire if the quake happens Yellowstone is famous for them.
Service is provided to man through the Magisterial Missions, and they do have command over certain civilian sectors, but earth is also ready to change its appearance over seriously over used tectonic plates that are badly worn.  Continents will shift under your feet, not just a local quake to worry about and inundation is likely in large areas to take place.

It is for that reason one should reason out where to flee if required, and that is away from the Pacific ring of ire and toward the basalt of eastern Canada at best.  We can only warn things will turn nasty if earth gets ready to shed its old skin and redefine its land masses as it has done through out its long geologic history.

We conclude Part III by reminding all that the purpose for life at all is never fully clarified when one lives in the midst of people who must learn the same thing you have to learn.  That is standard spirit practice to hold man responsible for what he does, and not for what he believes.  Yet today the churches in particular never rationalize that belief is important enough to help parishioners to become self sufficient except in very rare cases.   Now it must be considered while the population of this sphere is routinely released even from life due to vast changes under our feet.  The resurrection halls will handle what they must, but it is terrifying to live with so much want, and so much poverty, without having some idea that life is much better if there is everlasting hope it can be lived in the harmony of the spheres and in the arms of our loving Father on high.

We thank you for reading.


Some Thoughts Muses & Meanderings / Re: Where is Sue ?
« on: August 03, 2020, 06:00:54 am »
I also understand that the state of Victoria is facing a shut down again due to a large increase in virus infections there.  We do not get a lot of details in our news but that does get reported and the BBC did a piece on it in the past few days.  That certainly should add to Sue's preoccupation and pulling on her lower lip to contemplate so much at once.

I make the following comment to you Sue:  I am wondering why you stopped practicing with serious transmissions?  By that, I mean, transmissions of some length which explore serious subjects.  They need not all be on science, Sue.  I mention this because the real purpose of long hours of practice with in-depth transmissions is that it changes brain structure just enough you are strong enough to resist what are frankly conspiracy theories.  I am now advised you can not tell the difference between sensationalism and historical fact as you do not have what they used to call a classical education.

It would help you tremendously to understand there is a galactic federation, and that the galactic federation is not made up of just one Local Universe, but of thousands of them, and they exist to control space traffic.  That said, books that originate on Urantia like William Tompkins produces are not factual but suspended guesses in his own mind wrapped around real facts without correlation.  We have a huge revelation to state things that should prevent reader minds from romping in the imaginary fields of what I call the yellow press stories of sensational discoveries and governments hiding pertinent facts about technology.  I worked just enough in this area of government secrecy to know just how mundane the operation can be, and how little more they knew than the general public does.

Sue, if you would return to serious practice of transmission, some of this will disappear because it is childish gibberish I used to do myself when I was growing up and the Captain Video series was playing on early TV.  It was all about space travel and the monsters that inhabited space to fight off invasions.  That is sensationalism to sell programs and books.  Tompkins I believe is truly afraid what he knows is dangerous for you to learn about, and while I hardly know the fellow, I know the type of propaganda he produces is fascinating to read, but while some of it is factual that even I know about, he reassociates it into unlikely scenarios that help you learn the truth about our moon and its use as a base.

Frankly, it is used as a base.  But that base is to supply Urantia with the technology to disseminate the reason Urantia gets so many tourists besides serious redoubts of space techs who are here to understand things like, why does the mid Atlantic mountain ridge keep sinking?  Why indeed?  And things like why does Mount Everest appear to be sprouting a few more inches to its peak?  

The moon also serves as a spirit base to close down rebellions, Sue.  I do not bring these things up mostly because people want to get into conspiracies that blame national governments on earth for hiding pertinent facts about the moon in this case, but the truth is even if we told them all the things the earth moon is used for, there is no proof of it at all since the personnel using the base are invisible as are their crafts.

Yes, they use antigravity propulsion, but that is a technology that is fairly old on our own drawing boards too.  It was used in a probe in the early eighties if I recall properly.  Antigravity propulsion is not a good system, and it is much better used when designing personal space suits that allow one to hop around for motion one point to another in your clothes.  It is not useful for space craft and frankly Sue, you know the better propulsion systems mostly based on ultimatons and space gas pressure/  Antigravity has a better design to it as a propulsion system only on the major status spheres like Uversa, where it is used to command the presence of persons who are really prisoners to appear in court.

The point I hope you take Sue is that this investigation you have done is good for you.  But what is better is to stick to the original plan you keep resigning from because you are such a bumble and use the subconscious to investigate instead of the indwelling assignment of where to look and what to read.

We have spoken to this often before.  I fully realize it is your mind and your life and your choices, but you have a first rate mind if you can find a way to use it for the benefit of mankind on Urantia and avoid the pitfalls that some of these books offer a reader who likes to wallow in government threats to their holy existence of pure truth and afraid for everybody like Tompkins strikes me.

It does no harm except to deflect you in purpose.  Antigravity is a serious study and you must understand it does not exist just to nullify gravity.  It exists as its own force and is not a contrivance of national governments on earth to ever use successfully for space probes.  I much rather hear you at work to improve your skills and mind direction but you are so charmed by the mystery of great good being hidden by nefarious authorities on earth, you will wind up a science fiction monies that just reads a lot but contributes nothing.

That happens a lot to many of us anyhow but intelligence of mind should at least caution anyone who tends to conspiracies to leave them alone if you want to make a buck in salary better than normal by educating without the flimflam of conspiratorial fears.  There is a lot more to say on the subject of antigravity but I will hopefully hear from you what that might be in the truth of what Rayson can really telly you about it.  Tompkins can tell you mostly nothing when it comes to its use and its favors when used on the moon base it really is.


General Discussion / Re: UFO
« on: July 31, 2020, 04:11:09 pm »
I tend to respond to these kinds of question Weydevu only because I have a voice in my ear that does react to news like this one you showed us.  The radar contact in that fighter appears to be fully downloaded properly and I see not real advice except to say this:

UFO sightings over Urantia are declared null and void after April 17, 2020 because the reason they exist at all now is to supply rebel sources on out planet with needed nutrients and mechanical apparatuses to maintain a stage of rebellion for as long as it can be sustained beyond the clearing deadline of April 30, 2020/  That is universe policy regarding our planet only.

However. the radar package shown on this Fox affiliate is awfully loud for a radar recording and my have had some enhancement by the studio to make it playable on the Internet.  I see nothing wrong with the news item but wonder then just how old this is?

I someone playing around to get some notice with old material?  And why is the Pentagon involved when it is not the Pentagon that takes care of reports of UFO sightings but more often Homeland Security.  Where is Homeland Security unless the Pentagon had to step in because the head of Homeland Security was fired sometime this past month or so?
it is the Savlington government which controls UFO access to inhabited planets in our spare area.  Other Local Universes can and do issue reports about who visits what world, but Nebadon does not and for reasons of State. since Urantia is a Bestowal Planet of the World of the Cross.  It is singularly popular by travelers in outer space to view a planet that killed its Bestowal Son in a murderous rampage  of political hatred and uncaring government on Urantia at the time.

I am told that the World of the Cross has had six UFO visitors since April 17th and none since May 23rd and so this is either an old case or a case that escaped detection by the Salvington Space command.  I smell smoke Weydevu and not all is as reported by far.  Let me know if you hear or find more.


Carole, the above post, other than its typos now and then I was totally blind to as I wrote it, still remains a good deposition.  Above I wrote the word deposed in some form, but it is only a typo now.  I see something else I should have mentioned you these many days later.  I never give up on the idea that looking in on people is almost always a good idea but sometimes never spoken to in public.  I gave you a crash course in subconscious uses.  What I did not say is what and why the subconscious exists at all.  Simply stated, that is where mind likes to remind itself what it has learned.  IT is a rehearsal hall for your experiences and an archive of what you got out of them.

Freud is most ly responsible for dividing the mind into these layers of conscious and unconscious contact point for memory use.  Jung never makes much mention of these layers at all and prefers to let the world pass by without analyzing much about why we dream or why we hate.  Those are not mutual statements by the way, but just statements for the narrative.

For that reason let me give you a Jung evaluation and I get this from spirit as I am not even remotely aware what Jung stated or taught.  But spirit indicates that if Jung gave an analysis of your set of questions and answers, he would call you Quixotic.  That is an adjective derived from a Spansih novelist of long ago named Cervantes.  The knight, Don Quixote, was really outrageously if not mildly insane, and rode a horse and who favored getting into battle with windmills that churned in the countryside of his day which in the late 16th century or so.  Some called this character the "pink monkey." and it was about a mind represented by Don Quixote, that was never silent, and jumped all over the place facing devils and battles all around him to quell their power to harm him.  We never do learn why Don Quixote liked to duel with the paddles of a windmill, but most of us today, battle with the paddles of heartless rendering of law and injustice to the point we are mildly insane to holler and yell about race and God and government, and all in one breath.  I am known to do it with unfair taxation and a lot of other things too.

You Carole are not so much Quixotic, but seem to be fairly sure that Cervantes is your favorite novelist.  When that man lived, Spain was approaching a major land war with Great Britain over rights to the sea and their ships.  Cervantes saw it as a classical example of both governments tilting at useless causes and invented Don Quixote, to demonstrate how silly fighting is when the adversary is a dumb as a windmill paddle over why you had to challenge a fleet of ships that never bothered the Spanish badly at all.

The nature of some of your questions is normal curiosity.  Some of them are better than others, but you tilt a windmill now and then when you do not see the cause for the question in the first place.  You are sure that God is good, but doubt He cares as much as you are taught to believe.  That leads the work you do in your subconsciousness, and that is why you use it so well.  I never say do not use the subconscious, but NEVER  use the subconscious when attempting to link to the Voice of God, and frankly, most do that more than they should in every case.  I am shorn of the subconsciousness myself as I never ever liked it or used it at all as a lad or young adult.

It is for that reason I can be a super transmitter.  It is also the reason you will have difficulty being a dependable transmitter because you rely on your subconsciousness to field questions based on your experience.  That alone provide the universe an excellent soul tot rain for administrative work, and that is far different up there than it is here on Urantia.

It is also for the same reason that a person like me who has no good for the subconsciousness/  I do not believe it offers much from experience without revelation to make it work for good meanings, and the subconsciousness is not designed to do original creative analysis simply because it is already your mind and it cannot work against the precepts of your own mind and be of your own mind.  However, I can do that just because I buried the subconscious mind by the time I was 20 years old and then ran into huge categorical problems of asking "what in God's name am I good enough at to have a career?"

Of course I never knew in those days why I had a career problem to select one but I did and not until four years in the US Military did I straighten out that I was not the type ot easily use experience to determine  how I was to earn my living?  As luck would have it my dad broke the ice and got me a job with an engineering firm and I loved it.  The subconscious reaction was zero as I do not have it to get mixed up with it.  However, you do and in great preponderance.  Listen to this Carole: 

analysis is by MICHAEL OF NEBADON I speak next:
"You Carole are going to be a favorite among the Creator Son's staff mostly because you are so easily teachable and so easily earning your stripes by executing what you learn without hesitation;   Strangely enough, Ron can do the same thing, but without having the same instruction you do to learn to do it.

"Ron eats and breathes revelation.  You Carole, are totally at sea without facts having a traditional connection first and then to branch off into new learning through revelation.  But for you Carole, you need the subconscious inpute.  Ron has none.

"Therefore, we can take both of you and force nothing but provide instruction well enough you are ready for your new work almost instantly.  However with you Carole. you need days of proving it works.  With Ron he is proved in his mind it works withing almost ten minutes of receiving the instruction."

Here is the Psychologist, JUNG speaking:

JUNG: " I am famous on Urantia for not being able to fathom Freud and the various levels he identified about the mind.  However, Ron uses the Urantia Book Freud, as that is how Mantutia finally decided to describe where the Thought Adjuster resided in the human mind in what Mantutia alone called the superconscious and Ron fully understood what that was immediately.  Most readers have a subconscious mind.  Ron does not.  How that happened we ourselves are quite unsure and Ron needs to be studied a lot when he arrives as he has so many unusual attributes of mind it is not clear he is entirely human either.  However, Carole you are fully human in mind use alone and work well with other people. So does Ron but for very different reasons he alone can explain someday.

"As JUNG I am still learning the psychology of mind  in Urantia humans as Ron sees them hopelessly racist and stupid in comprehension except for materialistic causes such as the science of space travel.  For that reason he lets them alone, but is convinced a new species is required if Urantia is ever to become God centered.  AS JUNG I never bothered about religion or religious views, but Ron does since he believes that religious belief is inherent in the mind to know, and to know it so well, it as a religious practice is slavish at best, and irredeemable at worst before the high Deities of actual creation.  You Carole never look at it this way and if you did  we doubt you ever could fathom what Ron is talking about. 

"Ron requires you to do better as you fail to understand the nature of God in your own self Carole, but are always right there to understand that service is the best possible expression to work with God and learn for the subconscious part of yourself what God is really like.  The subconscious is a two way street and it insists on being heard in you and not in Ron.  For those reasons you see God in different ways but are mutually beneficial to each other.

"Carry this one step further:  you Carole never can fathom be at ease with God ever.  Ron, however, is so at ease with them, he can joke with them.  They are so unused to that the very idea of using a pun is hard for them to conceive but they can do it now.  Ron gets to laughing so hard he forgets time and hours go by before he realizes he lost the day almost. Carole run no risk of offense and Ron is constantly running the risk of offense and apologizes before he starts that he is just silly and laughs at circumstances easily.

We conclude this by saying that the world turns mostly on Urantia using the subconscious.  But there are people like Ron who have no subconscious and they are few and far between.  You could not explore God as you have without a person like that making a discussion forum available this way if Ron and his goofy mind were not available to bounce off of and see what God does when Ron sends something over they spit out all over him.  Nothing that radical ever yet but it could happen if Ron could manage to change history on Urantia and learn the ways of a Magisterial Son as it is suppose to work these days.  But we also lament that Ron was so slammed by the evil of this rebellion he may just disappear without a trace too.

"Finally, as JUNG:  we are facing a parallelogram over the issue of Urantia.  What a parallelogram is, is a house of fire that burns down in front of spirit regardless of what they could do to stop it.  Ron is a parallelogram and you are not Carole.  He is useful and you are just human.  However, he states clearly that without you and others like you as subscribers, there would be no Mission to Urantia whatsoever.  We happen to fully conclude that is the cause and case for his illness, as he must react to the hour and not to the cause, and for that reason is to be removed when the hour strikes and he is vindicated for all he has worked for and done for.

"AS JUNG, I am sure the hours approaches quickly on Urantia, and people like you Carole will benefit greatly from it.  Ron causes things to happen, and he will always be a cause to make things happen as he is that rare person who finds a cause and equates it to mankind easily.  We close with his to you and your subconscious mind Carole as essentially your ticket to the ascension career you want so much.  Ron cares that all have one, but that it must be taken for what is given and not always with your conscious choice.  He is absolutely right as the ascension career is based on your talents not entirely foreseen by your subconscious archive of experience.  We let this go now for this from MIchael of Nebadon:"

"We have concluded this lesson on the human subconscious.  Now we speak to the super-consciousness, and that is where the Thought Adjuster resides until IT provides a change of status in the human mind for good.  In Ron that resides at the back of his head under the crown chakra.  In Carole that resides in the frontal lobes,  That makes a huge difference on how the mind is used in this life time.  In Ron thoroughly independent; in Carole totally submerged in the traditions of her world.  That difference is so large it cannot maike two people any more different than these two are.

"Once Ron understands a situation, he makes hay out of it.  Once Carole understands a situation, she makes a meal of it.  Bot are valid uses of mind, but Ron cannot rest until he fully expricates the entire matter into intellectual fodder over how it is used and where to use it.  For Carole she makes it social and that is a huge difference between a thrologian and one who lives in the congregation.  Ron is a theologian.  Carole you belong in the pew.  For reasons of State, Ron was released from long work hours years ago to learn humility at the hands of angry parents.  He let them have their way and they relented and benefited from Ron tremendously.  He made it work very well to the point he inherited all they had and more than they knew as Ron converted their wealth into the Magisterial Foundation.  Just like him and not unlike some of you reading this.

"For reasons of State--  meaning we do not give reasons for it--  Ron was decapitated more than once and fell not into grieving, but into planning for a different way of doing thins.  For that reason we now have a Magisterial Foundation ready to operate but a heartless version of fate tearing Ron down into oblivion.  I allow it now but never did until now as he is so miserable in hearties physical battles he needs released into a more favorable climate.  This narrative is nearly over, but he has the rest of the day to work out how he must make no amends further and stay the course until there is a resolution up here as to just how to use this unusual young man in all truth.   And it is for that reason we conclude this narrative except to say one thing further:

"You are all privileged to hear me speak easily and that is mostly to the work Ron has done to spread this ability far and wide as many now hear how it is done and seek resolution to have it themselves.  Ron is superlative in using it but most of you do not even make the necessary adjustments and just let it drop as though it is unessential.  Ron considers it essential to keep sanity during the period of earth life so wrathful it will erupt into war again and this time the United States beware there are tough adversaries out there to be aware of including the Magisterial Sons.  While this period persists, those of you who survive it, will be asked to produce more of it, and without Ron that is tough because he knows the secrets to it and shares them with real students who need to learn it and do it.

"Concluding this paper, we are understanding the entire matter of life for Ron is on the table and it is awful to see the mayhem created in an otherwise fine body he must put up with.  Further, someone has changed his computer code and it works as they wish it to and finds that hard to take but he cannot change code back he has no idea where it is located.  His work with most of you is nearly done as we are for many reasons of State too.  He will work with ME I assure you and he must learn how to say no to questioning at times too as he leaves without a good explanation to most who know him.  We will leave it at that.  K"


Thank you Albert.  I make a correction to your schedule written now in the Category at the top that shows the schedules for all of our Lightline work.  Your schedule is now shown to be Wednesday at 1:30 in the afternoon until you may change it due to health or other issues you must adapt for.  Thank you for this post, and I know Margul too as we speak now and then recently

Best wishes to your group of people and to yourself, Albert.  God spoke to me about your illness and HE says you had a meal where you ate of the dirt or ground and there were many flu viruses in that ground and one found you and jumped into your throat.  Be very careful to put a cloth on the ground when you are invited to eat without a table as is common they tell me as as custom in your land. 

Best wishes for God in your lives, one and all of you.


 JULY 27, 2020

The MAGISTERIAL MISSIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS and this is to stop confusion before it starts. Clency you do it so often Ron just lets it ride and you do it because you do not place your mind in focus very well most of the time to get information well sttated.
This post is to set the schedule straight; or as straight as we can right now.


 This part of the Magisterial Mission is an evaluation of what has to be done on Urantia. IT has nothing to do with humans and their work for Me or for Anyone else at this time.
 Phase I is over in about three weeks or about August 20th for sure.
 NOTICE: PHASE I WAS ENDED as this was being transmitted. See the bottom of this post for effects but we include information next still important to know and I do not delete portions.

  You are all reminded that Phase II is my incarnation.

 "ONCE MORE, I state this Phase. It is to be started with any luck before August 20, 2020, and any announcements will come before that date but not for at least three to five weeks now, since Phase I just ended as this post was being transmitted.

 "Phase III has no opening ever if Phase II does not work and we will give it six years to do so. We will see to it that the Magisterial Foundations is the operative word then but not forever. I am planning a little coup over that issue too,  [Please note this readers.]
 "Phase IV is some sort of invention by the cabal and there is no Phase IV as of now unless MARGUL has something t osay about it?П
 Trinity Teacher Son 41352172537 and 423132357184 and 41613123417 and 39313231323, and finally SN's: 49163621562, Margul himself as 3132315276232 AS SPECIAL AGENT FOR ONE ASSIGNMENT ON URANTIA, and Michael as Trinity Teacher Son SN 41315372916 . These Serial Numbers represent the Team which shall introduce Light and Life to Urantia. If there is a PHASE IV, this is the Mission and the TEAM which would run PHASE IV.

Well SonsofGod, that is a lot more than I had before.  As I see it there is trouble in River City over issues we human groups should be very embarrassed to admit to ever approving we are guilty of,  This withdrawing into little parties of individual defenses against most other groups around who support the Urantia revelation, is antisocial and inevitably sectarianism at its worst.

For those of you who do not know what sectarianism is, it is the antisocial force of intellectual disparity between one group and another, as one group usually believes the other groups is inferior in belief.  Sectarianism is what caused the Protestants to break off from the original Church,  And then the Protestants with all the flags of sectarianism flying broke down into Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Quakers, and on and on and on.  It is not diversity that causes this, but the selfish view that there is a difficulty to know God without practicing certain means of catechism to achieve a better synchrony with the Father Himself/

Now look at the groups in the Urantia Book readership.  Sectarianism created the Fellowship, the Fellowship created the Bible thought provokers who believe the Bible is superior to the Urantia Book, and on and on it goes.  Now we have little Caesars like Belitsos and Raphael and a few others I probably do not know anymore, all stating that the loss of purity from anyone who is able to translate changes to the epochal revelation, is mentally ill or worse.  That should tell any of you that the entire matter of the 5th epochal revelation was never truly or ever well understood as it teaches that the cohesion of souls together formulates a better concern for God to work with man.

What we have now is sectarian pygmies and Belitsos and Raphael take the cake in their belief that people like myself are automatically scaling them abck to the dark ages to learn that the 5th epochal revelation is now seriously compromised, and that it has no future very soon to be called a revelation at all, but a false prophecy at worse, and at best, to just fade out of existence on Urantia.

I happen to believe it can do that and fade out , but that sectarian groups then come to the forefront and then we will suddenly have another sectarian church based on the wild words of anyone who can must a decent quote from the 5th epochal revelation that Jesus is sure to return, but that He must be ordered through other epochal revelations to do that.

Nonsense!  But that is how the pygmy mind of man works for he no longer is capable of truly great intellectual contributions to the theories of God without someone in the position of a Bestowal Son here to set the record, and finally, fully corrected from the mistakes of centuries of wanna-be priests either from Mother Church or the goofy revelations we have yet on the record which should be buried and left to molder out of existence.

You see the Belitsos independence is enough to misconstrue to too many people what will not be true for the Magisterial Sons are revising how to go about the Magisterial Mission because Paradise itself has ordered the Missions to start calling in their cards on Urantia, and that means, if there is no genuine interest in the Magisterial Missions, they will evaporate!  I am deeply aware we must make a racket and against sectarianism and this stupid foolishness that people like you know who Belitsos and a few others feel they are the sheep with the wool to clear from YOUR eyes best.  Well: they are little dwarf muscles in a clam shell that has their best parts to think buried in the sand of all things.

Thank you SonsofGod for the post and information.

This announcement from Belitsos has me particularly upset.  It is about a broadcast today to tell you about the Magisterial Mission.  They are not updated and will perpetuate misunderstanding of what is to occur.  I have warmed them and updated them and they consider our information scum.  Yeah, that is the type of student we now have on Urantia pretending everything is better than can be.

Link to announcement:
The link might not work as it is sent out of a filter of sorts to prevent feedback to it.  I think it is typical of people who know they are not doing right.

Light & Life Community <>


The pertinent dates:
June 21, 2019  Rebellion breaks out on Urantia and Salvington;
September 26. 2019  Supreme triggers his own self destruction- plasma annihilation of the personality of the supreme as a person.  In Havona

FYI:  As Steven states, the Magisterial Sons are going to end Phase I of the Mission they are operating presently on our planet.

Phase II has the incarnation of the Magisterial Son, Monjoronson, visible to Urantia human eyes,  There is no set date for Phase II to kick in on Urantia at the present time, but Monjoronson  did say that I would be informed in about three weeks what their schedule is to operate Phase II to start.  There is no date for Phase II right now but this year is probable.


I ran through the post you made above fairly quickly absorbing your take on the question you found to ask yourself.

My initial reaction for your own spiritual health is that they are good and pertinent questions, but you answered them mostly from your own subconscious.  Not all, mind you, but mostly.  How do I know that?

In every case the clue is that you get a quick two line summary and that is typical of the landscape of the subconscious.  The subconscious is not the conscience either but sits behind the subconscious as an arbiter as to how much the subconscious should release to you.  I see it in some transmissions too especially when Sue Whiley gets to twisting her fingers about what is right or wrong about what she is doing.

In your case Carole, you are earnest to the point you rather be wrong than state a difficult proposition back to God.  You just will not do it.  For that reason you are truly in difficulty in deciding which way to fall to a question of unspeakable destitution of the soul and allowing someone to learn the lesson on their own.

You work hard to design things so you can slip through the cracks if there are any when wondering about how something will play in the church you attend or how it will play with your husband or with the congregation.  You have a find head on your shoulders but are forced to decide issues you have no real interest in other than to say it is a trial for someone but should not be if one understood the issue really involved.  I prefer to stay out of those areas too as I do not enjoy someone else being so blind they cannot see the trees for the forest they picnic in.

Finally, let me say this.  You have yet to adjust to the necessity of swift changes that are so quick you keep missing them.  Notable, these questons pertain to a time sixteen hours ago when everything was "go."  Now everything is "stop,: and without any good explanation to us on the ground as feet on the dirt and they in spirit floating perfectly well over the issue without a change of heart toward Urantia whatsoever.

I am also quite positive you do not understand what I am saying but I have no real clue to your disposition other than to say if you stand firm and go with your best judgement you will clear all of this out soon enough when the full revelation of what just happened AGAIN becomes, more or less, generally known to all of you.  That includes me who has no clue as I write this what the sudden reversal was all about that threw me and the rest of you off the course to petition the Ancients of Days for a corrected epochal revelation.  That is now off the table without even a table left to put anything on I am familiar with after working hard for at least 15 years of this stuff.  Worse yet I have eye surgery coming at me pretty heavy if I can last until they get around to doing it.  I am not sure of that at all.

Finally, I see you wrote some questions out that had no answer feedback to you.  That is a sure sign t hat the out lying areas of your thinking are blanked by the Thought Adjuster.  The subconscious, if you learn it trick, never shuts up and only full excursions to synchronize with your Thought Adjuster, will ever keep that talker quiet.  I dare say I keep mine in the cellar and locked up because I know a silly when I hear it and it is totally my friend now and just jokes with me when I allow it a statement or two.  However, for most humans the subconscious worms its way into making you believe it is the Spirit of Truth, and believe me it is far from it.  You would not believe how many UB readers speak of hearing the Spirit of Truth but in fact are rehearsing a subconscious trick that makes them complacent and secure in one awful interpretation of epochal revelation as the Urantia Book.

Keep your wits about you Carole, and stop worrying about source material, as you are making good progress into the areas of mind you need to relegate out of you and parts you should bring foreward much more often.  I have deploed the Spirit of Truth for some of this and my Adjuster for the rest of it  and am glad I can offer these higher areas of assessment to you.  No one likes being analyzed in public but your Q and A brings that out of me easily.

Best wishes for your total enlightenment someday.


Discuss This Web Site / Re: Hacking
« on: July 24, 2020, 02:29:46 pm »
Weydevu, that is also the problem I had from eastern Russia in particular in such large numbers I had to withdraw free registration from our discussion forum.  I am not sure what is triggering the Russian psyche to be so aggressive but some are and they use the Internet to be difficult.  Keep your guard up only to prevent damage to your service; otherwise, they cannot learn secrets as we have none.  Go figure.  Ron

The appearance of comets in history is challenged not by astrologers as foretelling huge disasters that affect the public.  I call your attention to the meaning of Pluto in astrology and this January conjunction of Pluto and Jupiter.  That was considered as powerful as a comet explaining the death event of Julius Caesar in 44BC

(copied from Wikipedia bext)

"Caesar's Comet was known to ancient writers as the Sidus Iulium ("Julian Star") or Caesaris astrum ("Star of Julius Caesar|Caesar"). The bright, daylight-visible comet appeared suddenly during the festival known as the Ludi Victoriae Caesaris – for which the 44 BC iteration was long considered to have been held in the month of September (a conclusion drawn by Edmund Halley). The dating has recently been revised to a July occurrence in the same year, some four months after the assassination of Julius Caesar, as well as Caesar's own birth month. According to Suetonius, as celebrations were getting underway, "a comet shone for seven successive days, rising about the eleventh hour, and was believed to be the soul of Caesar."[12]"

His adopted son August Caesar built a Temple (25BC) he wished to dedicate to the cult of the comet but I do not think it ever caught on as important to the religion of Rome at all.

Just to make the point that a comet is one of those events that man and beats look back over their shoulder to be distanced from at all possible because of its ill omen to overcast the fate of humanity in history.  This comet is an ancient one having been seen over 4 thousand years ago in Mesopotamia, and was declared fit for a king and was thought to forecast the Messiah to arrive shortly.  Israel was already forecasting the event of a Messiah too, and the 7th century BC Zoroaster community was bedeviled by the idea of a Messiah arriving but so ill fated it would return to the Light before he was finished on earth.  That certainly speaks to the tragedy of the cross if you want to interpret it that closely.  No comet that I know of forecast the birth of Jesus, but the three wise men were told to get their camels to Jerusalem by Gabriel himself when Jesus was born there under the hefty starlight conjunction of Jupiter, Mars, and Venus all at the same time.  

By the way, for you astrology fans, I have recovered some of the horoscope of Jesus, and Pluto sits right in his first house of ascension and foretells epochal deliberations and meanings for his entire life on earth.  I only know that because I did hold a long conversation with Michael on planetary locations in 7BC on 21-22 August.  What astrologers do not realize and cannot get their heads around is that the constellations on the horoscope wheel are somewhat different than today.  Orion and Cepheus replace Aquarius and perhaps Scorpio, but too difficult to prove right now.  That is because mostly, the earth had one heck of an earthquake in 7BC before His birth and the axis tilted to bring Orion into the birth chart.  Orion is a sign of the man of the hour and who builds Kingdoms. Orion is fully intercepted in his first house.

Insofar as I can tell no comets in that period and no real issue with other omens of that day, although the supreme conjunction of three planets in a row is a power circumstance to give meaning to any chart.  They tell me that the conjunction of Mars, Venus and Jupiter, that day was in Pisces.  Pisces in the Jesus chart is on the cusp of the 4th house and the stellum appears in the third house but in Pisces also.   He has a Virgo sun a few minutes past the midheaven.  

So you do not always need a comet to portend great events.


I have removed all the topics up to this point to get a fresh start on a subject dear to my heart, but so damn convoluted, it is almost impossible to get a clear shot at it.

The planetary emergency has three facets to it:

1 = A rebellion of the supreme acting angels on Urantia and on Uversa and on Salvington.  It has things in one terrible mess and a confusion of voices to Urantia results to this day;

2 =  I personally have been made too ill to follow through all I have to do to counter the part of the emergency we who know the 5th epochal revelation can do to help mitigate the fact that the current Urantia Book--  and that is the actual text book of the 5th epochal revelation--  has been so mistreated and squandered, it is no longer fully teachable as to the facts and truths even as to the nature and conditioning of the Jesus Bestowal over 2 thousand years ago;

3 = The Urantia spirit government was demolished recently.  We have no direction from spirit on our spirit learning programs as we once did.  That is a disaster of unmitigated circumstance coming for a head on collision for Urantia very soon.

While these three items do not include the resolve of Paradise to shore up the use of humans for administrative usages in the training for their ascension graduation in the Deity Adventure some day, we are sill baking under the final decisions by the Ancients of Days to close Urantia down until we have a more definite answer as to why the supreme did what it did and why the ultimate was so also concluded in the same nature, that Paradise must reorder the entire matter of the educational units in time and space are at fault for reasons unknown.  Yes, unknown.

Now on top of that, I am almost too old to hold my decision to see this through as best I can.  The proposed conference to be held in September is fully off the table again and now.  I did not plan it that way nor did any of our helpers and joiners but that is what we have to put up with when the Ancients of Days suddenly decided this entire matter of a petition and its consignment was too dicey to deal with at this point in the planetary history of Urantia.

For that reason I deleted all said to this point on this subject and just let it hang loose on the side wall of our room as a broken arrow over issues too big to confront any longer at the human level.

However, I am frustrated just enough to point out that the constant confusion of the the Urantia corporations instills even worse consequences on all of us to the point one should not just sit back and say, "well I can't do anything about this."   You can and you should but for the moment I have to subscribe to the idea I need to sit back and understand, "now what?" better.

Meanwhile this list is moribund again and I fail to understand what the problem is.  I do not accept you are confused.  Rather it is you are timid.  That is not easily overcome in this day and age of gigantic confrontation about beliefs and all the rest.  However, I get tired of waiting for some of you to belly up to the bar and state your intentions much better than you do so far, although some of you do do that very well so don't yell at me for being callous.

Finally, I am forced to undergo eye surgery in September, and frankly I rather die first, but I do get awake every sunrise so far and no end in sight, no pun intended.

So here we are again with our heads and hearts pointed to actions we think are fruitful to us but stopped at the border again and dare not trespass.  I am sorry to all we hit this full speed but that is how this cookie always seems to crumble these days.  I wish all a solid good day for your happiness and to all a better lesson for us is coming, but not yet announced I feel sure.  

Thank you.
Ron Besser

Thank you Amethyst for the tape and the session today.  I fully intended to be on the call with you, but I was in the process of lifting my dialing finger when I was put to sleep on the spot.  That is pretty shocking.  I awoke just briefly enough to remove myself to the bed.  I lost over 4 hours of existence and awoke after 7PM today without any memory of the day or the time.  I had to turn on TV to see if anybody listed the date and time and I finally found the Bloomberg channel dating a report as today and got reoriented back in my skin.

Let me say this:  I have not discovered a way out of circumstances I fully discharge as natural or good for you or for me or for the rest of us.  Listening to your tape reoriented my mind enough to be able to post this without certainty, and  that is we are doing fine, but that the change over to our earth planet to a celestial style planetary government is by itself disorienting, and you yourself Amethyst are easily persuaded it is pointless to fight it.  On the other hand I know the difficulties of work with it and do not easily take to the idea that we work in accordance with an overcontrol I am personally aware of I fully dislike and discharge as quickly as I can.

For that reason your Wednesday Lightline today was denied to me since I am ready to listen and join in if you want me to; however, today the supreme disrupted the entire ability I have to even listen in and over 4 hours taken from me without a single sense of being anywhere for the past four hours plus.

For that reason Amethyst I caution you and the rest listening, and that is to be aware there is an incessant attempt to provide direction to our minds that runs countevailent to the entire idea of free choice and possible explanations for phenomena you want answers for but are blocked from hearing  entirely.

Only after this error is cleared will you finally realize it.  I am fully aware of it and declare it invalid.  That gets me punished and today is a good example of it when I am put to sleep in the middle of taking an action to dial into your conference.  It is for that reason and others I have to be exceedingly careful not to bother my fellow transmitters with my experiences since I do refuse to take directions I know have nothing to do with, for example, the omong conference in September this year.

I have taken steps already to buttress the idea of this meeting taking place regardless of the fight with supremacy and its idolatry of itself to the point we must fight it out and jot just plan it out.

Your appearance in York is vital and I will leave it at that.

Finally, let it be known most of tomorrow is taken up with an appointment I dislike but must attend to for an eye examination over an issue I did not cause and cannot be fixed by humans.  Yet brother and wife insist I attend a doctor as they are of the religion that doctors are priests and must not be disallowed into ones routines if at all possible.  Anyhow tomorrow is lost to travel and examination and will be back much later the 23rd in my normal place again.

Thank you for your service and to you too Elise and better days surely must come than the ones we are experiencing right now.  RON




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