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Why do this? - diluting a thread with off subject posts - Michael of Nebadon
This is Michael.

Ron just went through the recent postings on the discussion forum and found that the announcement that Jesus has become Deity was added to for happy-birthday posts.  Why you do this is unknown but most of you know better to start another thread.   Ron considered moving them to a thread about Happy Birthday but decided against it and will not remove them as Jesus is always touched by your kind remonstrate for his entry into a life forum on Urantia.

Hereafter, think!  Threads are hard enough to produce in the first place and you diluted the big new by becoming mother hens and writing over it in sentimentality.  We see no problem in wishing Jesus a happy birthday but keep them in a separate category and not writing off a splendid post nobody seems to comprehend.  Really?

Michael of Nebadon with Ron on this one.

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Michael and Ron, I can certainly see your point about the birthday wishes being on another thread and unfortunately no one thought to start a new one since acknowledging  love, commitment and devotion for Jesus has been on everyone's mind for several days now and more than likely had this wonderful announcement not been made on the Birthday of Jesus, then  more appropriate responses might have been made.
I went back and reread the entire initial announcement  and found that it was 16 paragraphs long and only the first 5 paragraphs plus a couple of sentences later  in the thread  actually directly talked about Jesus's remarkable  and sole achievement in the Universe.   The other 11 paragraphs deal with other issues.   As with many messages and revelations that we are gifted with, they usually all contain many different points  and subjects of information for us to consider.
I am equally guilty  of adding my birthday wishes in this thread and hopefully all of us will take better care to keep on point and avoid letting threads go all over  the place.   I will do what I can, when I can if I notice that  threads are getting "over the rainbow", and off subject.!!   Thanks for pointing this out for us......Larry
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Hi Larry,

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I am equally guilty  of adding my birthday wishes in this thread....

Why do you feel guilty for doing that?
Is it a mistake or an error because the fact to wish a happy birthday to Jesus is very good in itself and if you post it in a thread or another does not change nothing and I dare believe that it does not offense anyone and especially not Jesus or Michael of Nebadon.

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« Last Edit: August 23, 2017, 05:47:38 PM by Michel »
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Michel, perhaps "guilty" was an incorrect choice of words.  In that I understand and agree to the point of Michael and Ron's post about us totally missing or at least not responding to the importance of the  Announcement of Jesus 's Deity and honing in on  other directions instead.   We do have a tendency sometimes to take great liberties with topics and subjects and let them go down all kinds of "byways" rather than stay on point.  Hope that clears up my response a bit.   In putting in what a stated, I wanted to include myself in the error.   LarryG
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Larry, I don't see how you can consider yourself, or any of us, in error for incorporating birthday wishes for Jesus into a congratulatory message. It was the right day for it. I suspect most of us have loved Jesus since we were very small. And Michael since we discovered the U book and found out who He is.

I'm not sure that being mocked and chastised for our honest professions of love to our Savior is productive or appropriate. As far as a given thread being led down a different path from where it started, so what? That's frequently what makes them interesting--like a key change in a musical composition.

Well, enough about that. Jim
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Dear Michael and  Ron , the reason for using the post for birthday's celebration is, in my opinion, that we in this forum love Jesus and I for one considers him Deity since I was a child , when my parents took me to church every sunday. This is a discussion forum, but I don't like when a member express an opinion or understanding of a concept or idea and it is received with criticism or condescension. When that happens I feel like we are back in primary school and the teacher is not happy about our performance or intelligence. That is the reason I don't discuss or ask about revelations in the posts.

I prefer to ask by personal message to Ron B or any other member, but today I'll ask  ;  Was another TA was assigned to Jesus in order to be able to be a Finaliter? After reading Jesus Life in the UB, years ago,my understanding was that Jesus was Michael and after Michael returned to Nebadon as a Master Son, his experiences as Jesus are part of his personality and because his TA was personalized, Jesus was not fused with his Adjuster.

Because the Bestowall of  a Creator Son is a secret of  Sonarington, I never expected to understand it, but feel that Jesus is Michael,the Creator Son  and the Son of Man and for ever will be One with the Father and the Eternal Son.

The second question is;   When Michael bestowed himself as Jesus, was his personality different than Jesus, in other words was Jesus one personality and Michael a different one? For the  duration of each of the 7 bestowals Michael was absent from Salvington. Paper 120.4.3 tells us, Jesus was God and man — always and forevermore".   And continue saying this God and man were and  now are One.    
Thanks for your help.       esther

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I find it interesting that just one comment by Michel L. has caused so much emotion and division among us.   Yes, Father Michael was harsh but that is the way He talks.  I listen to what He says and do not take offense by it.   All we needed was a simple: "For heaven's sake guys, next time just start another thread!"

He was not rejecting our Love for Jesus.   As Mother Hen herself, I should be the one who takes offense.   And I do not.   Let us remove all of the emotion and come back together again as a family.  

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Allie, Allie, Allie. our dear Mother Hen... Thanks for bringing a smile back to my face and demeanor... I was feeling pretty low.

To all here, please know that in no way was it my intention to assess error, mockery, criticism or condescension to any of you.   When I first read this message from Michael Of Nebadon through Ron which is highlighted in red which tells me it is a message that requests our attention, it begins with a question:

Why do this? - diluting a thread with off subject posts - Michael of Nebadon


My first response was my effort to answer the question asked. Esther and Jim your answers were similar  to mine.....because of our love for Jesus and because it was the Birthday of Jesus.  However the real point being made by Michael  lies in this statement:

"Hereafter, think!  Threads are hard enough to produce in the first place and you diluted the big new by becoming mother hens and writing over it in sentimentality.  We see no problem in wishing Jesus a happy birthday but keep them in a separate category and not writing off a splendid post nobody seems to comprehend."

Again , I heartfully apologize if I have unintentional offended any of you....LarryG



« Last Edit: August 23, 2017, 10:36:46 PM by LarryG »
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This thread is rather unsettling.  Yes, the original post from Ron was rather splendid and what better day to share it with us than the actual birthday of Jesus.  And as such, reading about the new status of Jesus people felt full of love and expressed it through a sincere Happy Birthday.  I see no division in that dear Allie and while I abstained from writing a Happy Birthday as a response to the post, I saw no ill intent or any disrespect intended by any anyone who did write it.  I doubt any of you did.  
Yes, Father Michael, we will start a new thread next year.
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Thanks Esther for bringing the thread back to the level it was intended to work on.

I will also add that most of what you asked in your questions has been posted before in other threads about Jesus, but you may not have been here to read them.  There is a profound mistrust developing between Jesus the general population of Urantia ,and that is because there are just too many instances that the ignorance of the past is so pervasive no one even bother to attend to its remedy and that is to read at least a little history.  Even schools are dropping history in favor of math classes or god know what else they supplement the curricula with.  In any case I will answer your questions blow in your text copied from above.

Esther writes:
I prefer to ask by personal message to Ron B or any other member, but today I'll ask  ;  Was another TA was assigned to Jesus in order to be able to be a Finaliter? After reading Jesus Life in the UB, years ago,my understanding was that Jesus was Michael and after Michael returned to Nebadon as a Master Son, his experiences as Jesus are part of his personality and because his TA was personalized, Jesus was not fused with his Adjuster.

Ron here: There is a profound misunderstanding about the status of Jesus after his death.  I have answered this several times in the past three years, but so many either see little point in getting the point or it is useless knowledge to them.  You Esther I hope retains this to understand the status of Jesus after his death on Urantia on the cross.   Jesus died and his soul was resurrected on mansion world four.  His death was a cremation on earth by the Archangels in the tomb so the remains were not despoiled by the Romans and the those who despised Jesus in the Court of Herod.  The people never understood who Jesus was and he let that die with him on the cross.   On mansion world four he was met by a representative of the Father, who blessed him and gave him passage to Paradise.  Michael of Nebadon was dispatched to Salvington to contemplate the death of the Bestowal Son on his own and waited for the Father to reprove him or praise him-- what ever the Father intended to do.

In about a year after his death on the cross, his soul was moved to Salvington and there he received the ceremony of adjudication of his soul to be fused, not with Sananda, but with a fellow Jerusemite, the Mansion World Capital sphere, with an unnamed Thought Adjuster now known to the universe as Sananda the First.  The Sananda we now speak to is the one who indwelt Jesus in his earth life but the Sananda the First was brought from Paradise and replicated the work of his original Adjuster and it is with this Adjuster Jesus fused.

I pause for you to catch up.

The fusion ceremony on Salvington was witnessed by Joseph, his earthly father, by his mother Mary, and two of his sisters who were then on the mansion worlds at that time.  Further the fusion ceremony was dictated to Jesus to speak as he was re-indwelt on Mansion World Four, and the released to his Adjuster to complete the Mansion Worlds, which he did in 6 months of Urantia time and was morontially perfected on Jerusem where he spent six more months (Urantia time) as a citizen.  he did not then go to Edentia as it was unnecessary, and then was asked to go to Salvington by Adjuster transit and receive the anointment by Michael before the Great Wall of God you have never been told about that surrounds the compound of the Home of Michael of Nebadon, and by replication, the Home of the Creative Spirit.  In that wilderness of fire and ice that surrounds the compounds, the Father presented Michael the award no other Creator Son or Creative Daughter have ever received before, and you will see the fire on the Great Wall of spirit power and the ice of retribution for all who would attempt to enter it, should you just be touring.  If you are invited to come in as all those who are invited who arrive there by Adjuster transit, you will enter by the gate at the south side and therby be escorted to the chamber uses to receive those who fuse on earth.

Jesus enter by the south gate and when he did the Father opened the secret portal Michael uses to enter his own compound and make for the nursery where all children reside until fourteen years of age.  Jesus entered and sat down beside his mother Mary and father Joseph and wept morontial tears and let it be for a generation, and was transported to Uversa thereafter and stood before the Ancients of Days, and spoke in presence to the Ancients of Days as his fused Adjuster bade him to speak.

After thirty years of Urantia time, Jesus was escorted to Paradise and made his way to the High Temple, not described in your Urantia Book, and was said to have given himself to God entirely.  He did so without cause and without fear and said so in his spoken breath in prayer in the High Temple to the Father.  it is the original Temple made in morontial materials brought to earth for any new divine Mission where the Temple is not yet present.   Urantia has its temple built but it is not evident yet and will reside in York on what will be called the Temple Mount.  When the Father called Jesus to rise, the Father asked him to abide with Him momentarily, and when Jesus did so, the Father poured out his scope of power upon his form, and Jesus was instantly changed beforre the Father as a Finaliter, replete with essayed soul and deeply worn tears for the moment, and then was moved to the inner sanctum where all Finaliters go after taking the Oat of Service to the Trinity.

I now switch voices so you may hear Jesus as to what he heard and saw in the Chamber of Rest all go to after taking the Trinity Oath to service. 

I am Jesus and I now compare this writing to that of the Bible.

"In my day as a Rabbi unto the word of God, I sat before the Father in our own Temple in Jerusalem in the country of Israel.  Therein I thought about all I had to do and when I decided I had to do them all, I let out a yell no one could hear but the Universal Father and His keeper, the Jerusalem Rabbi known as Penteforte.  Penteforte knew me not, but I said unto him, 'be of good cheer Penteforte,' and he was forsworn never to repeat what he heard.  This was my introduction to God as a real person and to God as my keeper and as a God of my devotion.  Penteforte said to me: 'Be of good cheer,' and I responded the same, and went out into the sunlight of that day and never looked back.  I was twelve years old that day on August 23, of your calendar today.  My friends on Salvington have corrected this date to the true Urantia calendar to the twenty-second of August of four BC (04BC or 04BCE according to your taste).  Now it comes to mind that I had only 12 years to speak to, but I knew in my heart that Jesus was divine and that my twelve years of experience at that time was not divine but human.  I knew this.  I let it go happily.

"I keep this secret until now as no one, not even the keepers of the records that released my story to all of you as Part IV of the Fifth Epochal Revelation. know to most readers as The Urantia Book.l  Now I must reveal one more secret from the crypt they placed me in, and that was I had died on the cross but I have a dim memory of being placed in Jacob's Tomb, and I wept my self to sleep that moment and died in the arms of Gabriel, my chief heart keeper.  Gabriel acknowledges this to all of you now and speaks as follows:

Gabriel of Nebadon and Salvington, its Capital -  "I speak at length in the new Urantia Book coming to all of you soon enough and I speak to all except Ron, who understands the length of time it takes from death to salvation, and to him alone you my friend will die with me at your side as you are the last of the people on earth we trust to handle the sacred temple with Jesus and that is to follow you forever more as the ward of Jesus Christ and his mentor too, Mantutia Melchizedek.  In these things you must be caring not to mention this again, and I will delete this portion from the record so it is new and sacred even to you then Ron.  I completed my service to Jesus that day itself and declared the fourth epochal dispensation to reign upon Urantia until it was finished on May 31st, 2017 and this is different than your record holds Ron but is the correct one.  I conclude this record for Jesus by telling your questioner, that he did not receive another Adjuster but received a replication of Sananda, never done before or will never be done again, and Jesus survives his Adjuster prefusion by only minutes between his fusion and the record showing the fusion took place about one minute later after receiving the Adjuster on Salvington before Michael of Nebadon. As Gabriel of Salvington, I take full responsibility of moving this narrative to the universe records on Salvingtom, minu typographical errors by Ron."

Jesus - "I only need narrate the following to complete the answer.  When I was assigned by my Father to teach the Transcendentalers, i was greeted by my host to teach them as Pre'mptor, and Adjuster by that name already on Paradise awaiting my presence to speak and to tell me that I was to become a Creator Son.  I dared not think that as I am like Ron as I am happy to accept my gender and my order of creation.  We are giving you a short version of what happened on Uversa before this to set this grant to begin but sufficient to say, the Father, in forming me as a Finaliter, introduced Himself into my heart and my mind and as His forum too, to become a Creator Son whenever Michael vacated Neabdon, and I may be asked to render Neabdon as my place to rule Justice and Spirit Flavor to all of the Neabdon creation.  I cease my explanation now."


Esther - "Because the Bestowal of  a Creator Son is a secret of  Sonarington, I never expected to understand it, but feel that Jesus is Michael,the Creator Son  and the Son of Man and for ever will be One with the Father and the Eternal Son."


Ron - Esther you have considerable confusion on this matter.  Jesus was human and died with a soul.  He did not die as Michael as the Creator Son detached when Jesus breathed his last.  furthermore the Eternal son had nothing to do with the death of Jesus except to mourn him as a human who was assassinated when preserving the faith and keep of his Paradise Father.  disabuse yourself of these dreams you put there by your own imagination and please read the new Urantia Book on this subject when it becomes available.


Esther: The second question is;   When Michael bestowed himself as Jesus, was his personality different than Jesus, in other words was Jesus one personality and Michael a different one? For the  duration of each of the 7 bestowals Michael was absent from Salvington. Paper 120.4.3 tells us, Jesus was God and man — always and forevermore".   And continue saying this God and man were and  now are One. 

Ron - This is even a greater mistake Esther.  God and man are never one.  Man is the lowest of the low created by God, and God is the perfection of the highest spirit known to the universe.  They never mix the two in spite of the work of Jesus.  Jesus is one with the Father and that is true whoever fuses with the spirit of Father.  That does not make the human perfect buy fiat, but it sets the stage for human perfection where the Father provides for service to the fused one a Finaliter of perfect human status and for the Paradise Trinity.  Jesus had his own personality and Michael always Creator Son personality, and the Adjuster fuses with the soul of a man and takes his personality for Himself.  Jesus is Father Fused and preempts all creation by becoming another (not the same as Christ Michael) Creator Son who will serve differently from Michael of Nebadon.  I suspect you need some real hard study to realize that Michael is not Jesus ever, but bestowed himself as Jesus to complete his spirit work on Salvington and for the Paradise Father who then gave Michael full sovereignty to Michael of Nebadon.

 
Thanks for your help.       esther
Thank you Esther for your questions.  -Ron-
Michael of Nebadon - "This is a sad tale I hear over such confusion about the Bestowal of Jesus on Urantia.  Your current Urantia Book is entirely accurate to tell you all of you how this was accomplished, but most of you are truly ignorant of the true story and you have received Biblical revelation tonight in this story transmitted by this transmitter.

"I am almost disgusted with you Michel.  When are you are you going to stop rebelling against any infraction of your will to do other wise.  ron never said to anyone you were wrong to give greetings to Jesus; what I said and Ron agrees is that you constantly make the error of thinking whatever you do is okay or right, but it is not.  Machiventa Melchizedek is in charge of your work and wishes to speak to all of you who think this is a minor concern."

Machiventa Melchizedek - "I see there are reasons you get yourself into trouble Michel L.  You fail to take into account that your will is not the work of the Mother Son or of the Father, but of your own ego drive to sustain yourself in arguments that have not your ways in them.  Ron has been patient with you and lets you do as you need to to learn the work of these Missions, but you are snide at times and it hurts your cause and anyone who agrees with you.  The greetings you gave Jesus are full acceptable, but placing in the announcement thread was quite wrong and not acceptable to Michael of Nebadon or me or to Ron who has to bring the thread back to where it was supposed to go by answering Esther with and new and full revelation of the time after the cross until Jesus was aligned with Father will and became a Finaliter and by the Father's request, a Creator Son after the powers of Michael of Nebadon.

"Michel, we will hold back further lessons for you now, and await the judgment of the Paradise Trinity as to your status before us with regard to your work in the Magisterial Mission which you feign as desirable but you feed it with duck soup instead of with serious prayer and concern for humanity.  I see others do more than you do because they care what happens to the people and the planet compared to your desire to be counted among the elect.  The elect must stand tall in disaster as well as success and you show you love success but care nothing to be involved with the disasters likely to come your way too.  I stand well with you Michel, but you have to curb your wish to have the last word and to follow the minimum of rules that allows this site to work diplomatically as well as factually.  I am Machiventa Melchizedek for all of us here.  Good day."

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Thank you so much my dear Christ Michael, Gabriel and Ron for this new Revelation and the clarifications and answers to my questions. It's a beautiful account of how the  Eternal Father shares his love and gifts with those who are loyal to Him and his Plan for the universe.

I'll continue to study this information and  ask the Spirit of Michael to shed light over it so that my  mind can receive the truth of his  Incarnation. I will love Mantutia Melchizedek  to explain section 4 of Paper 120, The Incarnation— Making Two One (page 1331)   on the light of this new Revelation.  Thank you Ron for your help.                               esther