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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: Lucifer

« on: January 17, 2019, 00:09:37 am »

According to my software dashboard, Silva removed his account.

Occerpa if you understand this character please tell me about him as he had promise but blew a gasket and disappeared in a cloud of white smoke.   I hardly understand people like this as he was welcomed and invited to participate in a discussion.  Silva if you are lurking now, there is no chance coming back until your get a new gasket.
Ron

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: Lucifer

« on: January 16, 2019, 09:18:19 am »

Thanks for your reply Occerpa and I question a little more than you do, but I see Silva is quite a thinker.  And to you Silva, first welcome aboard, and second:  you are quite familiar, I see,  with the fifth epochal revelation and that is by judging your vocabulary in your first post to this forum.


Silva, I ask you, why did you post this in the US Dollar category?  Yes, we have a financial and monetary system that is ruthless.  Seems to me all financial systems are or can be ruthless and teach only the difficulties of making a living on Urantia.  But I am interested in the connection in your ways of mind association as to how your message this morning points to the dollar category as somehow relevant to your view of the corruption of man and the loss of the Semite thought once again, that all things are one and that all things consist in God.  This is not a criticism but a thought in me that I will learn your reasons for taking this thought category to explain what you have in mind that is helpful to us and myself.  That is not an ironic statement but a curiosity of mine about what drives your heart here and how you see it.


As I write this I have less than an  hour before we start these difficult meetings on behalf of all of you and you Silva seem to be aware of the process we three are going through this morning at my home in York, Pennsylvania.  In less than one hour from now as it is approaching half past nine am in York right now, and that is to resume the second day of four days of meetings where we directly address many subjects with the divine over how to organize an answer to your (almost) prayer that the Semite Kingdom is profoundly disturbed and lost over the rest of mankind totally miscalling the Advent of Jesus once more.  The entire matter this morning is so obscure to me, yet I am in the middle of such a discussion with the divine with my two other colleague Commissioners with me this morning.

Because of imprecise timing this morning and the soon convening of a Contact Commission meeting, I do not have the time I usually would place on your post.  What I am seeking from you is to explain yourself a little more so I can get on the beam of your views as they potentially are a fresh breeze to listen to and work with you.  The problem with a discussion forum you cannot see my body language or can I see yours except by inference, and so I need to ask some more words from you on this question:

Question to Silva:  "Where do you stand and view Lucifer and his present role in our presentation in York that the Second Advent is soon to appear to wipe Lucifer off the map?"  Thoughts please.

Ron Besser
Co-Chair of the Commitment to destroying all that Lucifer stands for.

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Example of False Revelation / Re: The Urantia Foundation vs Millennium III & The Matter of False Revelation

« on: January 07, 2019, 23:12:00 pm »

Sue, I explained cogently why this publication is the responsibility of the Urantia Foundation to police and to provide the defense of the fifth epochal revelation as part of its Declaration of Trust which establishes the right of the Urantia Foundation to act on behalf of the Revelatory Commission's work.  In effect the Declaration of Trust between God and the Incorporation of the Urantia Foundation and its Board of Trustees, and thereby sets up the fiduciary principle to protect and distribute the fifth epochal revelation.   While the Revelatory Commission is not the authority to present the revelation, it is the Revelatory Commission that placed it in the hands of the First Contact Commission and assumed all rights and obligations of the covenant to the Urantia Foundation, as such.

In my statement to warn the Urantia Foundation that the Millennium III - Urantia is a publication which circumvents the work of the First Revelatory Commission by being allowed to be bought and sold along side the Urantia Book, the fifth epochal revelation to Urantia, they have either wittingly or unwittingly allowed an illustration of human interpretation to disallow the divine intention to be the final authority as to meaning and content of the fifth epochal revelation and not a human interpretation to succeed it as an advertised update to the Urantia Book, the fifth epochal revelation.

The publication named Millennium III - Urantia, or as it is fully titled on the Amazon.Com web site for others to view, does not persuade any one that it is a human aide to understanding the fifth epochal revelation, and insinuates it is a superior edition of parts of the fifth epochal revelation, and is thereby considered by most to elucidate corrections not manufactured by the First Revelatory Commission.

The fiduciary responsibility inherent in the Declaration of Trust, is to manufacture reprints of the fifth epochal revelation and not introduce corrections in a separate publication for the fifth epochal revelation.  That the Urantia Foundation has failed to provide the planet Urantia and its population, and is thereby advised they must fulfill that what the Declaration of Trust states equivocally that as a representative of the work of the First Revelatory Committee, they must accept protection of any other statements as true concerning the equivalency of the truth of the original fifth epochal revelation as produce by the First Revelatory Committee.

I do not speak for the Ancients of Days, which are the original authorization for contact between the First Revelatory Committee and the Sadler Contact Commission.  Other authorities intervened between the Sadler Contact Commission and the Salvington government and its authorization to provide epochal revelation to one of its inhabited planets, namely Urantia.  But I do speak for the Magisterial Foundation, with its duly authorized Second Contact Commission on behalf of all epochal revelation past or present or in the future.  My authority is vested also in a Declaration of Trust, now held in escrow until such time as the Magisterial Foundation may proceed with the distribution of the sixth epochal revelation specially perceived on November 16 and November 17, 2018, at 2709 Sunset Lane, York, Pennsylvania, whereby the Second Contact Commission received the Oath of Service to the Paradise Trinity, the Ancients of Days by representation of Margul, the Trinity Teacher Son of record for Light and Life Commission now established on Urantia, and by Michael of Nebadon, to whom we swore an Oath of Fealty and of Service to as well.  These documents are the spirit advocation that the Second Revelatory Commission was activated and sworn properly to undertake the work of revelation in general on Urantia, and to provide with specificity the Sixth Epochal Revelation and a temporary work of Periodic Revelation to the planet Urantia.  The Second Contact Commission is at work on all of this already and must content with the Urantia Foundation, that their failure to provide adequate protection under their promissory assignment to the First Revelatory Commission is valid until the Urantia Foundation exists no more.

The Magisterial Foundation is fully established and is the bulwark of the Magisterial Mission and is lauded for its sincere desire to protect the fifth epochal revelation when it is assigned to do so and before it, the fifth epochal revelation, is removed to make room for the sixth epochal revelation upon a date given in secret in the Councils of the Most Highs on Edentia.

Further, the Magisterial Foundation is not the litigant in this matter but that private charity has asked it subsidiaries, the Starbridge Group and/or the Starbridge Foundation, to plead the case for an injunction to halt the sale and dispersion of the aforesaid Millennium III - Urantia  manuscript.

I dare make no further move to plead this case until the Second Contact Commission meets at 2709 Sunset Lane mid January this year and to receive the official proclamation as to these views held by the Second Contact Commission, and the views of the Salvington Government to compose views and proceed if there is no response from the Urantia Foundation and its intentions made known.

- - - - - Now Sue.  To understand this better you have to make sure you understand the word fiduciary and the responsibilities it sets up in a charitable corporation as the 501 c 3 Urantia Foundation operates. You need only to Google search those numbers to read the rules of operation for a charity. You also need to read the on line presentation of the Declaration of Trust provided  to the Sadler Commission to establish themselves as representatives of epochal revelation to Urantia.  Further it would help to understand what a Contact Commission is and how it was used to produce the Urantia Papers from the beginning and how it operated with the authority of Gabriel of Salvington, who enforced the idea of secrecy and sincerity, and that was to be sure that the Papers received by special means were fully incorporated into any retyping the First Contact Commission, did to read to the then Forum used for understanding and approval of concept ease of understanding. 

I also remit to you that to provide yourself a better picture of what is involved in Foundation operations that you read the Mullin's Urantia History.  And it would not harm to read the Moyer History on line for free of the Urantia formation and subsequent history, full of his views of the devil but otherwise replete in a way the Mullins history is not.  After this explanation to you unless it is seriously a good question, I will recuse myself until after the Contact Commission meetings beginning January 15th of this year.

Ron Besser
MICHAEL OF NEBADON STATEMENT:
"I let Ron tell it as it is and I see he has it down pat.  However, I am in control of the Second Contact Commission, and they are beholden to the direction of the Magisterial Foundation.  It is the Magisterial Foundation that will distribute the sixth epochal revelation and any prior periodic revelation as well.  I hold all harmless until final decisions are made later this month and will make no further statements as to this hiatus of thought Ron has long harbored and is set free over a ludicrous publication that should never have seen the light of day.

"Sue you are too distant to understand the history knows backwards and forwards about how the Urantia Book came to be.  He also knows it did not have an immaculate birth which the Urantia Foundation itself does not know about.  Ron wishes to do a real history but has been stopped to provide us the dissemination of the sixth epochal revelation and to produce periodic revelation.  He sees the publication of this false pretension an article of gross confusion and holds the Urantia Foundation fully responsible for not protecting the fifth epochal revelation sufficiently to prevent this so-called update he detests as I do.  WE are a team, the Second Contact Commission, with Nebadon and the Ancients of Days that have spoken to the meetings attended with what are now three Contact Commissioners.  I hold them ready to do our bidding and wait until there is a meeting between them, my Melchizedeks, and any other Authority of high spirit which may wish to attend.  I am Michael of Nebadon and wish you all a good day."
END

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Example of False Revelation / The Urantia Foundation vs Millennium III & The Matter of False Revelation

« on: January 07, 2019, 17:23:08 pm »

The Urantia Foundation vs Millennium III & The Matter of False Revelation
York, PA
January 07, 2019

I have, in part, excerpted a post from another Category to bring this announcement to the fullest attention I can for all parties concerned.

The Urantia Foundation (UF) is now asked to respond in some manner to the allegation they have defaulted in their fiduciary responsibility to provide protection against the misuse of the fifth epochal revelation.  This fiduciary responsibility includes not making false statements or providing fail safe publication rights of others who purport the reception of revelations other than the fifth epochal revelation. 

Please read the following reactions among the Deities over what is now appearing on Amazon.Com and the sale and distribution of a false revelation in part titled: 
MILLENNIUM-III-URANTIA.

In discussion with Michael and his Staff recently, the Archangel Michael instructed that they now hold that: MILLENNIUM-III-URANTIA, . . . is an apostate act.  That it was meant to confuse and divide the readership much as Lucifer traded barbs with Caligastia in his famous defense to kill Urantians first and ask questions later. Caligastia responded with the death of many individuals on Urantia and refused all to go over for resurrection based on the Lucifer Manifesto, to divide and conqueror all opposition to Lucifer’s belief that he alone ruled who would or would not criticize him or his administration.  It may taken  the high Court of a Gabriel vs Urantia, to permanently assign removing this false document from Urantia and to restate that the purity of the divine revelation delivered to Urantia through the Sadler Contact Commission (1934-1935), was protected and protecting further revelation appearing without approval of the Ancients of Days first.  We may establish a Supreme Court hearing on the case of Gabriel vs Urantia Foundation as a basis to clean up with a further adjudication of the Lucifer Rebellion.


This creates a serious pall over the goodwill of the Urantia Foundation which has not litigated the inappropriate appearance of afore mention title for distribution through Amazon.Com and I speak fully no more other than to state that the Deity Absolute, speaks cautiously about what was not done bu the Urantia Foundation for not litigating against such false and intrusive document known as  MILLENNIUM-III-URANTIA-.


I want you all to know that until my dying day, I will never tolerate this kind of joke on the faithful.  I hold the Urantia Foundation harmless in producing it hopefully, but where is the litigation now?  when a false revelation is presented as a similar book to the Urantia Book and that they do not deny that it is not theirs?  No Contact Commission was established by the Urantia Foundation.  Nor do they deny that this volume is not theirs and that no litigation is forthcoming to protect the true fifth epochal revelation from revisionists who published surreptitiously Millennium III.

The Second Contact Commission was established in York, PA on or after November 16, 2018.  As a member of that Contact Commission, I asked the Magisterial Son to speak and add his weight to what I see is the true need for litigation over this matter and to whom it falls to litigate on behalf of the Salvington Government.  SERARA. The Magisterial Son of record to Urantia, to speak:


SERARA = "Until Ron showed me a picture of this book on sale on Amazon, I did fully appreciate what has been done.  Ron does not have the language to pursue what needs to be done here and I am immediately institution litigation against the Urantia Book interests to remove the tyranny of a lie about epochal revelation they allow to continue as a farce against criticism over their lack of standing firm in the face of great evil on Urantia.  Mo Siegle is responsible as the litigant with the universe as the person specifically to bring suit against the Foundation for failing his fiduciary responsibility  for failure to advise the fiduciary responsibilities of the Urantia Foundation to prevent serious copying or changing of the will of the Father to be the only one to provide epochal or periodic revelation to Urantia.


"Further, let it be known, that as of today, the 7th of January 2019, I am taking immediate action to fully declare the Urantia Foundation null and void until they show how this book is allowed to prevail while they litigate minor infringements of a once proud copyright of the English epochal revelation known as the fifth epochal revelation.  Their failure to step in and stop this publication from appearing is a full statement as to their intent to run things as they choose and refuse to protect the ideals of epochal or even periodic revelation as they are mandated to do by their Declaration of Trust.  I am incensed over this as Ron was months ago, and we should have payed attention to it then but cause and effect bury these issues on Salvington at times, and I am asking Michael to act as he feels as he should at this point on this matter and quickly if he can.  I am SERARA and I have spoken as the Magisterial Son of record on Urantia, and that I am on Urantia today and for the foreseeable future as of now."


MONJORONSON, MAGISTERIAL SON CO-DIRECTOR of the Magisterial Mission on Urantia.

"I am Monjoronson, and I was aware of this document but let it slide as we had some other business to contend with the Urantia Foundation, which is now, in my view, finished as an organization of trust to obtain the fiduciary requirements to protect the fifth epochal revelation from such false and spurious publications.  I am truly and seriously upset with the appearance allowed by the Urantia Foundation to so appear at all and that the guilty party or parties must be rooted out and deployed forever and after never to work in the world of revelation again.  I sign this with my Brother, SERARA, and beseech Michael of Nebadon to look at this and take appropriate action. K"


MICHAEL OF NEBADON AS SPOKEN BY GABRIEL OF SALVINGTON, the Bright and Morning Star of the Local Universe of Nebadon.

"Well they did it again, did they not!  This is the second volume to make this grad of false and gratuitous misbehavior that rises to the level of rebellion by a person or persons who know better than to ever perpetrate this kind of hoax on the faithful of Urantia.


"I stand ready to take what action I should according the direction of our mutual Deity defenses on Salvington, to either remove it ourselves or to remove it through the litigation of the Urantia Foundation recent of Chicago, Illinois."


Ron here -  As the Chair for the Contact Commission established through the Magisterial Foundation, I am bound by my oath to serve to the Paradise Trinity and to Michael and the Creative Spirit of Nebadon, to pursue the policies of the Creator Son in this matter, and I will do so.

I also conclude this short response to the assessment of January 4th by my own hand to all on this forum, and declare myself mobilized to take care of the first order of business to bring suit against the appropriate litigant under the direction of the Melchizedek Corp on Urantia and in the common care of the Local Universes of Sensalon, Avalon, Wolvering, and four others not revealed at this point.

While this alliance or amalgamation of seven Local Universes in this area of space has nothing directly to do with this particular case of malfeasance, I draw your attention to the fact that all seven Local Universes have amalgamated the entire creation of the Melchizedek Order to the brief attention for them as a total group to advise Urantia, and its Supreme Court of which Machiventa Melchizedek remains as its Chief Justice with seven or more other Justices to attend the bench, as how to approach any universe litigation against Mo Siegel and/or the Urantia Foundation.

They all recognize a mutual interest in this case, and advise Michael on the proper procedure to use to remove the offending book published as an addendum to the fifth epochal revelation in most cases.  I hold further that Machiventa Melchizedek knows of this breach now for at least two years, and that I brought it to the attention of authorities a little less than a year ago when I finally realized nothing to remove it was done by anyone or the Foundation itself as based in Chicago on Diversey Parkway. 


MACHIVENTA MELCHIZEDEK =
“Ron is properly incensed over this lack of faith by the Urantia Foundation and a leader known to us as  Mo Siegel, yet Ron is aware that some compromise could be reached without litigation if the Urantia Foundation simply had it removed and never to see the light of day again.  Mo Siegel has purposefully confused the laity over this matter but yet is held responsible by Ron Besser as head of a new Contact Commission established on Urantia this past November for purposes of raising the funds and the wherewithal to produce a new sixth epochal revelation.  It is to be done in accordance with the Sadler style Contact Commission, with the proviso Ron can figure out how to expand its numbers to at least five, but now finds every road leading to appropriate individuals is blocked.  No more is it blocked as it is now renewed to see to things like this that raise up and may not be aborted because of the lack of funds to prosecute wrongdoers such Mo Siegel and certain Trustees who aver this is a proper response to Ron and his ABC Summaries.  Ron never represented it as anything transmission contact for the purpose attempting new revelation to see how those who read it reacted.  We must say he did his job well and fully and we have proceeded with the sixth epochal revelation in revision as of today.  We amend any subject discussed on this amendment except to the now fully operating Contact Commission established on Urantia with Ron Besser as its chairman elect, as simply no one else can do it at this point anywhere on Urantia.

“As Machiventa Melchizedek, I established the authority of the First Contact Commission, and it is with my authority for the Second Contact Commission to have its operation in York, Pennsylvania at 2709 Sunset Lane.  I further stipulate that Steven Gitz and Larry Gossett are the other two on the Commission and they have a load of work to do to establish it fully under my authority on January 15, of this year.  I conclude my stating that this Millennium III book is an abomination, and if it is not removed from all distributors at once, consequences are looming for Mo Siegle and the other Trustees of that Urantia Foundation institution we were once so proud of.  I rest my case for further instructions to all of you later on Ron.”


MICHAEL OF NEBADON
“Unknown to the readers of the fifth epochal revelation, there has been an amalgamation of seven Local Universe organizations to share administrative  peculiarities coming out of the dire consequences of the Lucifer Rebellion, instigated over 250,000 years ago and not adjudicated by the Ancients of Days until March 16, 1986, that being the date of the announcement to Michael of Nebadon on Salvington at that time.  This pertains directly to the false publication now appearing on Amazon.Com and other distributers of this false book as we still have an open court case of Lucifer vs Gabriel of Salvington, and this fits perfectly well what we must contend with to end the influence of the rebellion instigated by Lucifer long ago.


Ron Besser - In accordance with this amalgamation of Local Universe, I also prepare my fellow Commissioners to bring this disagreement with Siegel and the Foundation, first, and if necessary, to bring the restraining force of an injunction advising Amazon.Com it is no longer is legal to continue to sell the offensive book noted above any longer, and to advise the Urantia Foundation of its fiduciary responsibilities.  Much could be saved in time and money if the Urantia Foundation found it motivational enough to advise Amazon.Com and any other distributor of the offensive publication and as it may be extant to other distributors, that it is no longer legal to sell or distribute false revelation that comports itself as an addendum or update to the fifth epochal revelation whatsoever.


We also must avoid making inflammatory statements further if the Urantia Foundation complies with the Salvington request and demands the false revelation as noted by title above is to be removed.  I also stipulate we have our charge to undo what the Urantia Foundation allows to pervade the readership through distribution of the false revelation, and no amount of careful wording or unusual means to legally protect the sale of this false revelation will undo a court case against the existence of the Urantia Foundation, until at least, this matter is settled to our satisfaction.


Further, I am a Contact Commission member, and I am charged with the idea that no one may either be or call themselves a Commissioner of this status without first offering proof they have taken an Oath of Service to the Paradise Trinity, and that a secondary Oath of Compound Service is already taken to the Sovereign Head of the Local Universe, Michael of Nebadon and the Creative Spirit, together.  All of these things have been done and categorized on the Salvington spirit records.


We also claim the right to change our minds and our intentions if there are subsequent actions by either the Urantia Foundation or its subsidiary in fact, the Urantia Book Fellowship, to mitigate the anger and confusion these publications can do to an unsuspecting readership now or in the future.


For the preceding, I sign this announcement off on behalf of the Magisterial Sons of Record on Urantia; the Lord Michael, chief of Staff for the various missions now coming to Urantia and in some cases, already in place for service; for Margul the Trinity Teacher Son and who stands with this surprising and revolting development against true epochal revelation; and for all others who chance to stand with the Melchizedeks and for myself, against what has occurred now far too long to distribute this publication with a straight face, or a dirty face for sure, to perpetrate this disharmony on an already seriously disturbed world we all call Urantia from the genuine epochal revelation published first in 1955.

Ron Besser
Chairman of the Second Revelatory Commission
York, PA

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / To Our Chinese Guests On Our Divine Intentions =The Magisterial Paradise Sons

« on: October 27, 2018, 10:56:33 am »

The following transmission is from the Magisterial Sons SERARA and MONJORONSON to our Chinese Guests.  It is meant to betray no secrets but is in the native language of the majority of Chinese speaking people called Mandarin.  We have Ding Xin Liu to thank for this translation to our Chinese guests, and we hope English speaking individuals do not mind us using the language so many our Guests use.  Thank you.  Ron Besser/Admin

MESSAGE BELOW: (Click on picture to enlarge it to read better)



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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / The China Currency Problem Is Serious - A Notification By SERARA

« on: October 23, 2018, 01:43:23 am »

The China Currency Problem Is Serious - A Notification By SERARA
Michael of Nebadon
Serara, The Magisterial Son, Chief

York, Pa USA 1am Local Time
October 23, 2018


This is Michael. And please quote me:


“We have hit not a snag but a problem in the world financial scenario.  China is bulking at doing anything to prevent the devaluation of the Yuan, and as such will cause a major rift in the financial markets beginning next week or a little earlier.  This disaster looming is because China as a trade balance deficit not and refused to cooperate with other world powers to bring the Yuan into proper balance with other currencies.  Since China is so large, it moves and it makes waves whatever it does.  Eastern currencies of Indonesia are running fine without parity to China or the US, and the Real is doing fine there. But Australia and its dollar is pegged to the US dollar and it is getting jostled with the Yuan since Australia imports so much from China these days.  As a result the Chinese consider Australia one of their best countries but China also refuses to refrain from currency manipulation to get the best price for their goods by devaluing the Australian dollar and not their on Yuan.

“As are result, the Magisterial Son will provide a shot across the bow of the Chinese Ship of State, and refuse to let the Yuan hit parity with any currency so long as China refuses cooperation.  If the Yuan hits seven or so to the dollar, the United States will retaliate and devalue the dollar.  If China lets the Yuan drop below six point five Yuan to the dollar, China will retaliate and force the US to recover from Chine selling all of its treasury bonds on the open market.  That will cause the Federal Reserve to massively infuse national banks in the United States and will cause stock prices to falter ot pre world war II price ranges of from 10,000 to 15,000 on the DOW.  Today the Dow runs in a range of around 25,500 and such a drop is in excess of fifty percent on the Dow markets alone.

“In 1987, Ron in particular remembers the huge stock sell off in October of that year.  The Dow lost thirty to forty percent of its value in three days and only the massive intervention of Japan and England and the Federal Reserve stopped the panic.  Today we have Japan in our corner, but England is fresh out of good will with Trump and will likely sit on its tail unless really pushed by the Federal Reserve to intervene.  This means the dam can break this time when China starts selling US Treasuries and causing huge rifts in international gold markets and oil pricing at the same time.  Oil may crash or it may soar; it is that unpredictable.

“Nonetheless, this post is a warning to all nations: ease back on your monetary controls if there is a financial panic over the US Dollar, and if there is watch out for all savings and loan institutions as they are not as well indemnified by the Federal Reserve as a national bank is these days which insures your accounts up to $250,000 of value in it.  After that amount you may lose it in a panic.  However, we do not expect it to come to that, but it could.

“Finally, we will indemnify all fused humans who work for us as the Team however that comes about or when.  We cannot forecast that well right now, but any losses because of financial panic will be made up especially for Ron and Lemuel who are old now and have no incomes to depend on themselves.  Ron will have his salary as well and that can be kept clear of banks by joining our Magisterial Foundation Trust Department of about more on that much later this year.  Good day.  Michael of Nebadon.”


SERARA, THE MAGISTERIAL SON OF RECORD -

“I am disappointed in China again.  They have a couple of hard liners in control and they need to be put out to pasture if China is ever going to survive the great financial changes that will take place very soon on Urantia.  The present world situation when it comes to trade was destroyed by Donald Trump in his attempt to get a better trade deal, but he has failed more or less because the world is not after equity but after wealth and it will not work that way at all.

“I am proposing that we will stand very little of these shenanigans and can force the markets to behave by placing heavy tariffs on trades that are inimical to stability for world trade exercises.  I am sure that the House that Jack built will cause problems down the road as the Chinese prefer to use that structure instead of listening to the wiser voices in their government who feel the United States is not entirely wrong to cause a pandemonium by refusing to trade with China under existing conditions.   If the world understood that the United States has shouldered world trad on its own for so long, it got used to being profitable, but countries like China have a much lower wages scale and no one bothered to adjust China’s output to the proper scale for sales in the United States at all.  That has led to a problem with the bulky segments of the American market and its manufacturers and they are not going to take it anymore.  As a result China must either agree to a new wage scale or drop all pretense it can trade satisfactorily with the United States.  That means a forty to fifty percent trade balance in the positive for China is the United States fails to enjoy trading privileges with the PROC.

“We conclude this post with one final remark to all of you.  This Transmitter is frankly too old to carry all he does but he does it without complaint and works hard to make sure we make a good impression in writing.  We will continue to use this transmitter until he drops dead.  He will be bak in the pink in a few days we hope and that is that.  Leave the idea of your redemption in the first paragraph show as all should know the truth of the cost physically all this is to you.  Good day.”


MICHAEL OF NEBADON =

“We speak closely to all on these matters and to Ron who must obey the laws of physical gravity, he will be made whole shortly in spite of our determination not to create miracles on Urantia this time, he can have one and be done with the entire matter of age when we finish the changes to his physicality shortly.  In any case we must also aver that Ron is the only one we can trust to be ready any time any where to take an emergency message as it may be.  Be assured we leave no stone unturned for a transmitter to fill in if Ron goes down a day or two which is to be expected in the coming months of travail and surgery for his jaw and teeth.  The bone is worn out and he needs implants to keep the mouth working as it should.  In any case the Chinese problem is not our problem entirely, as the Consummator of Universe Destiny is warning that no one will cause such a disaster if they can keep it from happening, and that spells big trouble for China if it gets in wrong with that entity on high." 

END

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: Serara Policy Change on Currency Markets -Pole Shift dates approx given here too

« on: October 23, 2018, 00:19:21 am »

Just to advise, Julio, the pole shift is not the tectonic plate rumbles you will hear near you when they happen.  I suspect tectonic plate shift in some place will be triggered by the proposed pole shift and axis change.  But all of this is a very complex set of geophysical actions and you have to be a very powerful spirit to know what is what when they do happen.  But tectonic plates are not usually involved with a pole change but this one is so large it could trigger the Pacific plates in particular.  Ron

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Serara Policy Change on Currency Markets -Pole Shift dates approx given here too

« on: October 22, 2018, 15:06:18 pm »

SERARA, MAGISTERIAL SON OF RECORD ON URANTIA -
“I am pleased to say that Ron has captured exactly what we wanted him to od this morning and early afternoon, and that is to post a donation link to help maintain this web site.  It is very valuable to us as outreach to the rest of Urantia, and it is quite valuable to places like China and Russia which do listen to our reports on currency fluctuations and policies we will provide once we are on Urantia and operating as we should in a Magisterial Mission of great quality.

“I am now providing a policy statement from the Magisterial Mission itself:


POLICY SHIFT FROM THE MAGISTERIAL SON, SERARA, TO WORLD CURRENCY MARKETS:

SERARA, CHIEF OF THE MAGISTERIAL MISSION - “We are experiencing a decided shift in our regular concerns for currency exchanges as they happen in the present world trade imbalances and other trading issues not yet on the table for discussion between the United States and China, and various other countries in which the United States is changing its agreements for trade with them or collectively.  We are processing our concerns this way:

“Natural causes will likely bring down the usual ways to trade in the near future.  The present predictions we have is that Urantia will undergo a pole shift in about six weeks (today is Oct 22, 2018 1400 New York Time DST) and if this properly proceeds, we will have a dark period on earth beginning sometime near the end of Novermber and perhaps early December, depending on the exact date of the dark period to being.

“It is a matter of chance which part of Urantia is in the lighted area from your sun is over you, and which area of the earth you are in that is in the dark shadow at that time.  Our forecast is that York, Pennsylvania, USA, will be in the twilight area between total darkness and bright sunlight, but it cannot be predicted so well as to be sure of that.

“In any case, the event will cause shipping and rail traffic to almost cease, and the trucking firms will have problems of polarity affecting engine running perhaps.  We are not clear as to how this may transpire with electronic starting and stopping in the newer engines used on Urantia today.  Meanwhile, be assured there will be trade problems and eruptions of great need for certain goods during this pile shift that will also affect the axis tilt of the planet too.

“As a result of this event coming very close, we are to insure that currencies should be protected while we wait for earth to right itself and get back to its diurnal cycles which may affect daylight and dark at slightly different times than Urantia has been used to for millennia.

(Pole Shift Approximate Dates Given next)
“I will institute a ban on all currency manipulation during the period of the pole shift which we estimate is dated roughly from 9am, 28 November,  New York Time standard time. Daylight Savings Time ends in the New York time zone at 2am November 4th this year which is a Sunday, and the pole shift event will end, we believe, about January 5th or 6th 2019, at about noon, New York standard time.  During the period more less from 28 November, 2018 through January 10 or less, 2019, a ban will be placed on changing exchange rates entirely.

“The Chinese Yuan will trade for this period whatever it stands at November 28, 2018 at noon that day in New York, and will be reopened for exchange rate adjustments on January 5 or 6 or as late as January 10, 2019, depending on world conditions at that time.  The dark period or light period for this shift lasts about 34 or 35 days.  We will keep you informed if this information changes.

“All other exchange of currency rates consideration are the same dates for control as stated above for the Chinese rates.  In any case, we must make amend to two other considerations:

1  - No amount of exchange rate examinations will be allowed once there is a visible representative on Urantia soil until the full temptation to devalue currencies is abated or stopped entirely.  Urantia (earth) cannot afford a currency war on top of a trade war that is developing into monumental proportions thanks to the Trump
intransigence over rates and styles of barter or trade itself.

2 - There is good reason to believe that the entire matter of currency devaluations will be allowed ever to take place in a year or so, as we insist on indemnifying the United States dollar and the Chinese Yuan as major world currencies, and will provide gold reserves plentifully to control speculators who ruin all world organized attempts to keep currencies relatively stable.  Our choice will be to keep New York and Beijing informed as to what trades are allowed and how much.  But until that is established real time we will just announce this policy in general for now.

3 - Our work is about to commence during the dark period of the proposed pole shift coming swiftly to bear on this planet due to extreme heat building in the earth’s core, and we must be sure that everything is ready for our reception in York, Pennsylvania, as well as we will use those Magisterial Foundation offices to place controls where we have to on the world financial markets.

“I am Serara and end this with an entreaty to Ron to stop scratching his nose as I am truly ready to take on the entire matter very soon with the help of Michael of Nebadon, as we are very late now, and must grab hold of financial concerns and controls as best we can.  I am belatedly beside you Ron over head as you correctly surmise we who are Deity can fold space and be present anywhere we wish to be.  China will learn, you have done so already and we thank all for listening.  Serara, the Magisterial Son of Record for Urantia.  Serara.”

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Mandarin Message to Chinese Guests 16 Oct 2017

« on: October 16, 2018, 10:39:23 am »

Dear Guests, we have a Mandarin message from our Lord God, Michael of Nebadon.  Because we are using Chinese characters I had to place it in a graphic box for you.  Thank you.
Ron Besser

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / To Our China Audience - The Following Information For You 15Oct2918

« on: October 15, 2018, 21:13:36 pm »

To Our China Audience - The Following Information For You 15Oct2918
220.243.135.60 | ChinaNetCenter

Dear China Message Takers for China

I am the Magisterial Son that has been promised to come to this planet for the past fifteen years.  I remain in spirit, but the entire uiverse watches the primary players in the financial markets on a planet we call Urantia.  You call it earth.

As that Magisterial Son I am planning to arrive on Urantia (earth) in a few short hours or days.  Time is very difficult for spirit to assess and we have no direct way to “time,” or as to duration of our travels.  It takes me, the Deity known as the Magisterial Son, ten minutes of your sixty minute hour to travel one parsec.  That is the equvialent of moving at the speed of light over sixty of your light year measurements every hours of your time living on Urantia.

Let it be known that Spirit has no friends and it has no enemies.  We simply are.  Now this: I am the financial worker in spirit for the work to be done on your planet in the coming one thousand years.  That is one millennium in Western vocabulary and it is known well in China as well.  Your masters, the leaders of your country, know me already.  They have spoken to me frequently through mass media and through this particular web site.  We will use this web site and will provide answers to questions you pose, but please ask them in English and direct them to the email as follows:

aronolac@comcast.net 

That arrives in the mail box of this transmitter and he has our permission to respond to your questions in a direct reply to your email at your computer as you may wish it to be directed.

Finally, the trial for the entire planet is to be sure you, China, understand we will not permit belligerency on any front so long as it is not justified.  War is soon forbidden on Uranta.  We must prepare an invasion of spirit to the planet withing a few short weeks from now, and all will be included and that includes all of China and the people of Urantia as well. 

We complete this message as follows: This web site may go down when the confusion becomes apparent that we are here and controlling media and transmissions to prevent confusion.  Those channels of news who misrepresent the news will be turned off.  It is not to panic but to control outrageous acts of sacrifice or killing or other misdeeds due to panic.  Let this message suffice for now.  I am SERARA, that is my name, and I am a Son of God, and unlike Western religions, we are not one but millions, and we come strictly in peace to all mankind.  Good day.

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: CHINA BULLETIN - CURRENCY WARNING OCTOBER 11. 2018

« on: October 11, 2018, 10:15:52 am »

Larry, particularly to you, Michael has this reply for your edification:

This site is pretty worn through.  It has lost its luster badly mostly due to the in attendance of people like yourself who has no real regard for what we say, but that we say it.   You are not alone in being disgusted with a period of silence we have to go through again, and I am not very happy about a lot of things either.  However, recognize the site is hardly used by anyone anymore due to the restrictions China places on religion in China, and the additional problem of the Urantia Book transference to the view in the world it is a flake book and a fake philosophy.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

China does listen and they have the message I am so informed.  I hold no real degree in diplomacy but I am a ward of the Most Highs as you are.  In that case I can make statements that have some relevance to the world, but the world has so deprecated the idea of spirit, I doubt that anyone takes these statements on this site, seriously.   However here is a case for us:

China sends envoys to all important capitals of the world.  They have, I am told, considered sending one to York with the American okay, to view this idea of a Magisterial Mission entirely in the view of China and how to make amends or defend its view to the Magisterial Son, Serara, and laterally to Monjoronson, the Magisterial Son in charge of the Jesus Return production status of going nowhere right now.  In any case the best we can do is speak as we are spoken to, and that includes make amends to the Chinese for our rough words to warn them they have a powerful tool in YUAN and they must care not to kill the idea of cooperation once again with the United States government, once the insanity of this American governments is removed.  The period of the AMERICAN REGENCY IS COMING, and that is to surprise even me in its power to resurrect the glory of a powerful nation under God to do the bidding of a Spirit Adminsitration such as Michael of Nebadon weilds over all of this quadrant of space and time.

I therefore speak to you Larry as the one person who notes the effort to do these communications, but to also advise you I carry no real personal attribute to do this other than to do it as requested.  I am quite happy I have this opportunity even if my tenure is so restricted you do not hear from me often in this kind of communication ever again.

However, be advise as well, that I am truly out of work for the moment and I am awfully upset with a spirit administration that is so heavy handed they leave things drift in favor of themselves to the detriment of their human supporters.  It reminds me of a deaf man trying to conduct a symphony orchestra in many ways.   I am probably the only voice that calls this unfortunate, as most people will never, ever, understand the price all have paid to be a supporter and then to founder on the loss of one Mission after another.  I do not complain to anyone on this issue but merely note it for the record. 

In any case, you in particular Larry, had our choice of good words this morning as the site continues to languish in its own losses, and I am not changing anything but will hunker down and let it ride into the Michael Mission as is and change it then if that is our need to do so.  Thank you for your post.    Ron Besser

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "I finally here from the real Ron Besser and that is refreshing entirely.  I am Michael of Nebadon, and I am too busy to listen to little ones at this time, bur Ron is not a little one, and I hold him dear.  He is truly making the case I have for years with all of you that this is a time of refreshment and not of wailing about who does what.  But I must amend the thought that human participation is considered so lowly t hat we do not take it harshly, but rather, that we have some people at least on one hand, we can count on in the crunch, and that crunch is already here as Ron heard me smack him around this morning while his legs carried on again with pain.  He is trule disgusted with the whole idea this is how service must be approached.  In any case Larry Gossett, your words are appreciated and we do say so now. But be aware your own intransigence is well known and you refuse service if it requires you to think more than you want to.

MARGUL, THE TRINITY TEACHER SON - "Ron looked at the Chris Maurus message from Margul on the Barnard List this morning and cringed at his use of the wrong pronoun.  Maurus insists on calling me "she," and Ron says to himself, I have so concreted my lessons in from the Urantia Book, I get upset over this, but I refuse to as it really isn't important at all as the message is.  That is true, but I cringe too at the wilful disobedience of people who could do better and do not listen ever to a change in habits that would make it easier for us to work with all of you.  Your world of thought Ron is bashed all over the place this morning yet you can laugh at these peculiarities with which we work from the human viewpoint.  Good day. Margul."
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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Economic Co-Dependence Is Useless - SERARA & Magisterial Mission to China et al

« on: October 11, 2018, 09:20:25 am »

October 11, 2018
9am Local Time, York, Pennsylvania, USA

Economic Co-Dependence Is Useless


“his is SERARA.

“We are now at the point in this unhappy economic period to not ever say to anyone this is wrong ir this is right.  We now all must deal with the idea that the entire matter of economic co-dependence is useless. 

“There is no world trade balance today,  and we are truly amazed you can hear at all that this is a tirade that must be concluded before it starts.  Julio (Brazil) is genuinely happy to see a message that at least supports the idea of normal trade relations but hates the idea of governments doing what China is doing these days. 

“We all do dislike it as Brazil dislikes it, but poor countries, becoming poorer have no choice.  Their economies will not suffer briefly, but their economies will then turn down without any relief in sight when most of the good will in the trading nations disappears.  That is our view as of the moment, but let me add this to the following insult we bring to the United States as well.  

“United States: you have made the worst deal in the history of the world to erect trade barriers to force a re-evaluation of the monetary system.  Trump makes no amends but forces a trial where there should be nothing but gratuities today.  In this we make the following evaluation:

“United States: you are using a world leverage against a rich country that once was a poor China.  Now it is a rich country, but too late to help you, and too late to help anyone, as they have driven a wedge into their own economic relations with the East and laterally, to the West.  I am sure the United States will hear the name of “lame excuses,” from its Chinese counterparts, but they are as poor in thinking as is the United States and the Trump administration is using.  The United States can no longer afford a pair of tongs to lift anyone or anything out of the mire of a Great Depression that shifts its way into use over and over again as the United States flails over China and other trade pacts it finds ludicrous today. There is a Great Depression soon to hold the world in its fangs once more. 

“Trump, you have unwisely concluded that China is an enemy State, but it is only the frail caricature of an enemy State, and seeks self distribution in its own area of influence.

“In so many words, the trial to redo the American free enterprise system is over.  The US Government cannot undo the disaster Trump has perpetuated, but it can undo the administration in the upcoming elections.  Unfortunately the United States cam no longer pretend it is sits on the high ground of economic development any more. And we must make amends not to China, but to Singapore the British have finally given up on in order to restrain the Chinese beast for money and goods it really no longer needs or wants in final attribution to the old idea of Empire.

“Finally, the appearance of an economic military mission to the world of Urantia, is being drowned by the incompetence of the military in China to sustain its power over its own internal interests.  The regime that holds China together right now is rich and unhappy over the entire world view held by the United States, and it will throw the United States curve after curve providing the American Senate to someday endlessly review; however, it is not our intention to ever intervene in the to and fro of political bickering that takes place between these two, once friends, countries at the moment.


“Now I make a policy statement for those who read these pages with a fine toothed comb:

“The Magisterial Mission to bring sanity and health back to a world desperately alone in the universe and in our own view, even alone in the ways of high Spirit these days, and it is a world without a chance for any kind of romantic clearance of all its problems by Deity fiat, we say the following:

“In the United States, there is no real love for countries like China who bargain hard and leave nothing on the table but economic grants to purloin other countries to its own advantage.  This is especially true for those in Africa, and strangely enough, Brazil, but also to leave nothing to develop once they leave a country.  Be assured  this view we hold will make sense once there is an understanding in the United States, that nothing matters except to revive domestic production again, to protect a stand alone economy while a Great Depression is fought off once again.

“I am Serara, and I decry the need to lecture the little ones who read these pages, as they should be fully aware that all of us in spirit use these pages as a way to speak to all the world which hardly knows we exist yet.  But they will!   In this case I use a transmitter to put down words, not of glory, but of fear mongering to those who dismiss these statements as coming from fools and tirades of luckless men and women around the world. 

“The motivations we hold today is to advise all who do read these pages with or without rancor, you will learn we mean what we say and very soon.

“I am Serara, and that is a line we must respond to ourselves from our position of strength in the higher levels of universe policy toward developing planets which have spun themselves into a loss and not a wind situation.  I am truly sorry we must approach Urantia with these bee hives of unjust economic attitudes, but places and countries that deem themselves out of the world order only because they can afford to be out of the world order if bashed by a country like the United States, or even China itself, there must be a return to equitable trade with one world currency, and that is the entire aim of this Magisterial Administration, soon to be totally encouraging all who can serve, to serve.

“Finally, I am the Magisterial Son of Record on Urantia.  And I demand that all work stop at once on the ridiculous idea of a fence with Mexico, and the fire storms of Saudi Arabian bombing of Yemen.  However, let it be known the United States has been prudent in its application of power by insisting that the Russian idea of hegemony over Syria is wise enough,  given the forces unleashed by the Saudis and the Americans over Yemen and other place in the Middle East.  There are desperate times coming and they are badly insulting to the idea of spiritual reconditioning, but we must make amends to the fact that it matters not in the future history of Urantia, that this world, right now, is useless in all things except that it exists and then must be returned to normal, if at all possible.


“I conclude we need better liaison work to the world than this lone Transmitter who is duly licensed to bring the words out of our mouths, so to speak, but he is entirely too frail to end up being our lone spokesman, and others will supplant what I have to say, but for now, these pages are the only outlet we have to be heard fully, and we will utilize them fully.  I am SERARA. Good day.”

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / CHINA BULLETIN - CURRENCY WARNING OCTOBER 11. 2018

« on: October 10, 2018, 20:35:35 pm »

CHINA  BULLETIN :::   CURRENCY WARNING  OCTOBER 11. 2018

MESSAGE FROM THE MAGISTERIAL SON ABOUT TO EMBARK ON THE MAGISTERIAL MISSION ON THIS PLANET, AND TO PROVIDE THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT AN OVERVIEW IN A FEW DAYS AS TO OUR POLICY TOWARD THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA AT THAT TIME.

MESSAGE FROM THE MAGISTERIAL SON, SERARA, TO WARN THE PROC THAT THIER CURRENCY IS OVER RATED BY ABOUT ONE HALF AND THAT ACTION WILL BE TAKEN AGAINST THEM IF THEY PERSIST IN PRODUCING NOTHING FOR THE EXTRA PROFIT THEIR DEVALUATION OF THE YUAN PROVIDES YOUR RESERVES.

SERARA - "I wish to state the following: We are in no way considered pirates, but we must have the understanding that China and the YUAN is to remain pegged at 6.975 per USD, or preferably, 6.735 YUAN per United States Dollar.



"If the exchange rate dips to 7.5315 Yuan then we will take unilateral action to destroy the extra profits this brings industrial sectors known to you, the Chinese Government, and we will take measures for you to release ONE TRILLION USD,  back into the world capitalistic systems.  What is being done by the Chinese Government is to charge over twenty cents for every Yuan at that rate,  and as such, it is seriously overvalued to us and to the rest of the world.


"Let it be known we have reserves in the amount of seventeen (17) trillion dollars at hand and can easily obtain more.  Your currency reserves are nearly double that, but you must understand that world conditions will see to it that is quickly depleted if you make a run on the USD and we wish that not to occur.


"Finally, the USD is now pegged at the close of our trading day October 11, 2018 at 6.921384 Yuan per dollar.   This is excessive and you are warned it will not be tolerated by the end of the day on October 25, 2018 midnight New York time zone.


"I further stipulate this outlet of news to you will be activated briefly to bring you news as to your ties to Hong Kong and other places along your Pacific Coast line, and the South China Sea,  and that we have no intention of allowing a wide spread invasion of Korean goods or Chinese goods to display in place of Vietnamese goods or Hong Kong goods to name a few.  Your policies are made to protect your interests, but they are becoming excessive to the degree we cannot tolerate them for the good of this world we name Urantia, and we ask you to remember that as a matter of course.  Good day.  I am a Magisterial Son and you the country of China are very important to us, and what we have to do here in order to recharge the people of Urantia back to a normal routine of life and observation of decent living standards once more.  I am Serara.  Good day.”

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: The QFS - What is it ?

« on: September 17, 2018, 15:13:14 pm »

Clency, I assume you read what I wrote as analysis of your first post.  That they announce what follows is full of good information and I concur with them that we have a fight on our hands to provide a decent financial system.  But what they propose is fantastic and has no real application in numbers to global concerns for the research that must be done to understand we have a bad capitalistic system and the QFS makes it worse by changing it in to an apocalyptic reversion to a society without funds mostly as happened in the Great Depression of the 1930's.

My advice to you Clency is to stay away from dreaming as you get yourself all tied up in ideals that have no foundation in trust by the people or any real hope of being made to work among citizens of a world to be made so poor soon that a fake dime seems almost to be a solution as to how to spend yourself back to financial health.  I suppose you can be like Repunzle to let your hair down the ivory tower to any who promise these versions of financial on the backs of computer technology, but this scheme is not well thought out.  Instituted it would block true financial equitable standing among the people of a very poor worl soon to be.

And by the way Clency, world population counters have a bad logorhythm as the Universal Censor announced months ago that the total Urantia population now slightly exceeds nine (9) billion people.  I provided a fairly long post on how the log used fails to take into account that proportional deaths and births was not correct in the first place,  In the second place the density of population on Urantia is so acute math hardly has a formula to predict future births and death.  We are way out of skew on Urantia and unfortunately the planet will bring the population back down to less than four billion, or even three billion, when it goes to cool the interior center core of molten rock in the center of the earth.  
Ron

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: The QFS - What is it ?

« on: September 10, 2018, 23:24:17 pm »

Clency, I would be curious who these fellows are who perpetuate the idea that banks are the dirty dealers by making money off of credit and loans.  They are essential but need reform.  I did a quick read of the list your reprinted and fine it hopelessly ideal to achieve without first instituting financial reform of the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve as it is put together today is a creature of modern banking practices, but it controls the flow of cash and value into the financial institutions we call banks today.  To provide a less commercial take on banking (and I agree banks need  reformed to handle money better than they do now), the Federal Reserve will have to cash in its gold and currency laws and provide a system of barter and trade without currency being the primary value exchanged.  One hundred goats are valuable but only to the right person while a 100 dollar bill is valuable to anyone who picks it up to spend for things they want.

The point I have to make to you Clency is that you cannot, and no one can, speak to what this list really means without some underlying philosophical debate as to how to achieve barter without creating livestock or houses as the new currency.  It is too short handed and not nearly extensive enough to build a sub devlopemtn or a New York skyscraper for offices at all.  It is too weak to meet our financial demands today and even I have to have a better banking system that is more secure than the one we have now as thieves are set to pounce all over us once we have a deep recession or even a depression when it happens again, and it will.

At best the QFS is a Communistic system, and a very old one at heart, and the ideas been around since Hegel and Kant and Marx.  We need more sophistication, not less, and while the pastoral idea is pleasant the QFS suggests, it is big trouble for accumulating wealth and amassing enough to create a sustained civilization.  I thank you for bring something forward I thought was really gone for good, but not so.

Ron