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weydevu

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His Will by US
« on: April 02, 2018, 02:36:10 PM »
Ron in our prays we say, "May your Will be done. Christ Micheal added,  "In Us---By Us and Through Us."   I've been wanted to ask this question  for sometime. Would you care to elaborate that saying for me/us?

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Re: His Will by US
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2018, 04:21:12 PM »
Weydevu, it is not complicated but it sounds that way sometimes when it is spoken.  The Creator Son is the local universe father as he was personalized by the Father and the Eternal Son, and thus carries the attributes of both parents.  I am afraid it is complicated only to theologians, for the Creator Son is the time person who is the Son and the Father minus the ininifty attributes of existential Deity.  Michael of Nebadon is the Father less infinity and we as chilcren of time can only approach the Paradise Father through the Creator Son in time who sponsors us to the ports of Havona.  Then in Havona the Supernaphim come down and escort us to the Paradise Deities and help us obtain our credentials before the Paradise Father as fused Father beings, Finaliters.

The Us part referst to the help Michael receives from the Creative Spirit's angels and Herself before the majesty of the Paradise Deities, as it takes all the efforts of all the time beings to move animals like us from being tadpoles to being a Finaliter.

MOTHER SPIRIT -
"Ron is trying to explain a simple arithmetic problem by using factors that are not that important Weydevu, because Michael of Nebadon-- and any Creator Son--  are Father's minus the infinity of the Paradise Father.  They sponsor you to Paradise and then the super angels take you on as Ron intimates well above.  I am never directly involved except as I might help Michael help you."

Ron - Creator Sons are Fathers and they appear since time must allow sequence of achievements and they are able to do and follow those events and sequences to Paradise we have to take on ourselves.  If Father reached down and helped you, he would automatically create you as some sort of living infinite absolute and destroy the ascension carrier by doing so.  So he and the Son conceived Creator Sons to do that for them until we reached enough experience to withstand coming before the Father Himself and not be converted to infinity/absolute status that has no place to serve we know of.

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Re: His Will by US
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2018, 06:54:21 AM »
Ron - Creator Sons are Fathers and [they appear since time must allow sequence of achievements] and they are able to do and follow those events and sequences to Paradise we have to take on ourselves.  If Father reached down and helped you, he would automatically create you as some sort of living infinite absolute and destroy the ascension carrier by doing so.  So he and the Son conceived Creator Sons to do that for them until we reached enough experience to withstand coming before the Father Himself and not be converted to infinity/absolute status that has no place to serve we know of.

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Hello Ron, concerning the above specifically where bracketed, when you say “They Appear”, is this saying they are incarnated and take on a role that is the same as every other human on a return path of ascension? Or do they appear by another process? 

Also these “Creator Sons” are they the same as “Bestowl Sons”?

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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2018, 07:47:26 AM »
Marjon33., thank you for your question and welcome to the discussion forum.  I hope your stay is a happy one and we will look forward to sharing from you as you may wish to respond to things spoken to here.

I take it you are not or did not read the Urantia Book as the explanation on how a Creator Son appears is not fully understood or even addressed by the current Urantia Book.  But we can say this as to how they probably appear as follows:

Existential Deity (that is infinite Deity) creates other Deity by a process called Trinitization.  It is one thing to use the word and another thing to really explains how that works/  Trinitization technique I believe is one of the master secrets on Sonarington, and only those humans who attempt to create high spiritual life in their Paradise careers will ever know anything about Trinitization.
All three existential Deities of actuality participate in Trinitization of high Paradise Deity.  The Father and the Eternal Son participate together in infinity to produce a Creator Son and after the ideas they both have as to how each Son should have particular attributes of Sonship (using mercy and administrative techniques for example), they enter the Trinitization mode, and personalize each Creator Son.  That new Creator Son does not have a place on Paradise to start, but when so authorized to do so, the Deity in Charge of Sonarington, may enter the Trinitization Chamber on that secret Father sphere, and welcome the new Creator Son to life and training.  New Creator Sons are then taken to Paradise to meet their parents and enter into what they call the Supreme Moment of Expansion of Personality, and that is to provide a promotional subject for each Creator Son to learn to do in very particular ways from the Father and the Son.  What this does is never discussed with we time folks, but is discussed forthrightly with each new Creator Son.

Michael of Nebadon, the Creator Son and with his Consort. the Creative Spirit, created humanity, and his Supreme Monment of Expansion of Personality was to entertain how to prevent rebellion in the Local Universe.  Eventually he became quite an expert in this area of provision from the Universal Father, as Lucifer used his knowledge of this specialized training from Michael's Parents, and drove it into the ground so that Michael will never be free of how to prevent future rebellions period.  Our planet Urantia will be the single planet in all of Nebadon to train other Creator Sons what to look out for and how to counter the motion toward a divine Son toward rebellion.  Michael will establish a university here of universities for all of Orvonton to use in Creator Son and Creative Spirit training in this complicated area of overweening ambition.

A Creator Son is personalize through Trinitization and first appears on Sonarington from the Trinitization Chamber found on that secret sphere dedicated to the creativity of the existential Deities.  They are then trained under the watchful eye of both Paradise parents with the Infinite Spirit providing the space areas they need to learn how to control, and they can materialize matter using Ultimatons to build their headquarter spheres and in Nebadon. our Michael Son chose to surround Salvington with over 490 planets and university education sphere around Salvington itself.  The Urantia Book says 490 spheres but Michael relates there are 100 more than that for specialized reasons bot revealed to time beings like us.

All Creator Sons, and there are 700,000 of them of the regular Order, and about, today, 300,00 back up Creator Sons who stand in for other Creator Sons who are called away from their local universes for one reason or another for a long period of time.

All 700,000 Creator Sons of the main creation must bestow themselves in their local universes seven times in the likeness of the type of life that is created in each Local Universe.  Michael of Nebadon has finished all of his Bestowal work and you need to read the Paper in the Urantia Book the begins the Life of Jesus and what bestowals they were and still are represented today as the work of Paradise to ascertain the validity of what each creature is like in what particular universe of creation, in this case: Nebadon.

Urantia received Michael of Nebadon, the Creator Son, as Jesus of Nazareth.  Bestowal work is another major secret of t he secret world of the Father called Sonarington.  If you are ever called to Bestow yourself (and humans never do this work) you go to Sonarington and learn how to enter the Supreme Moment of Personalization in time and space.  How that is done is a Creator Son and Magisterial Son secret.  It would help you a lot to take your time and read the Urantia Book about Trinitization, and how the Father uses it on the giant spheres of communition of personal work for his Creator Sons to learn how to do trinitization to produce the divine Sons like the Lanonandeks and Vorondadeks and the Melchizedeks and about 100 orders we have never had any revelation about and do not know about today on Urantia as of yet.

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"I must say to you Marjon33 that you need to step up to the plate and read some Papers in your Urantia Book.  You are so good at computers but poor at assimilation of information into your mind.  Reading the Urantia Book will train your mind to become much better at risking the conceptual ideas you do not yet have.  This discussion forum is a study in concepts used by the Urantia Book, and that is why it is hard for some people to stay as the vocabulary stretches the mind very well.  Read what Papers you want for now but learn the best method to learn the fifth epochal revelation is to read it straight through a couple of times and then decide what Papers you would like to reread again.  I am Michael of Nebadon, and I am the 611,112th Creator Son to emerge from the Trinitization Chamber on Sonarington.  That is not taught in the Urantia Book then as it was too advanced for the readers in the 1930's and the 1940's and even today, but Ron heard Abraham speak to this years ago and latched on to it easily, as the Trinitization of Creator Sons has just about run its course and no more will be creatied unless the Father and the Son find it necessary to do more someday.  Good day."

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Re: His Will by US
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2018, 08:53:52 AM »
Ron, Thank you so much for your insights and suggestions they are highly regarded.

Peace :)

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Re: His Will by US
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2018, 01:13:09 PM »
Dear brother Ron:

In this post Michael of Nebadon states:

“ I am Michael of Nebadon, and I am the 611,112th Creator Son to emerge from the Trinitization Chamber on Sonarington.”

But in Paper 33.1  it says that our Creator Son ( Michael of Nebadon) is the personification of the 611,121st original concept of infinite identity of simultaneous origin in the Universal Father and the Eternal Son.

Just wanted to clarify this fact.


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Re: His Will by US
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2018, 02:13:50 PM »

Thank you Jose.  I transposed a number and I had to laugh in the notification post you did the same and I felt better.  You wrote:
“ (Ron said:)I am Michael of Nebadon, and I am the 611,112th Creator Son to emerge from the Trinitization Chamber on Sonarington.”
 
 (Jose wrote)But in Paper 33.1 it says that our Creator Son ( Michael of Nebadon) is the personification of the 611,212st original concept . . . ."

Yes, I know what it should be and the hand does not always type what the brain tells it to. :'(

Thanks for keeping me on my toes!

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Re: His Will by US
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2018, 03:24:54 PM »
You certainly made me laugh Ron. I tried to fix it as soon as I re-read my post but you were faster in catching the mistake!! Have a great and blessed day!!

José
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