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General Discussion / An Angel from The Past - AFLANA - and visiting Half Moon Bay, California group

« on: February 11, 2024, 12:23:07 pm »

Hello everyone.  Now a long time ago, there was a place called Half Moon Bay, California.  It held a small group of transmitters and listeners weekly, and one of their favorite spirit spoke persons was the king of all toughies when it came to spiritual experience-  the  mighty Messenger today, then an angel called Aflana.




Aflana today is a Mighty Messenger.  In June of 11993 she was a prominent teacher, then an angel called Aflana, to this small group of high quality.  One I knew there was Susan Kimsey.  She was the only one who liked my work, and recently died on high not, but is facing a criminal charge of larceny for stealing Father's heart, and then quitting a most promising career in forensics.  Here is my buddy Susan:


SUSAN KIMSEY from the height of her career today to talk to us again:


"My favorite teacher in those days was Aflana.  She was always ready to take us on as we were, and believe me were rough and tumble.  Ron would speak to us gently and well and send us a copy of the READER'S HOUR, a wonderful little magazine with lots of pictures and little stories he got from the internet to challedge our memories and yet he printed Aflana, and many others we had not heard about yet.  It was fun, but alas I got cancer of the beaker, and that is from working with chemicals that poisoned me and I died quickly when it came to it.



"AS SUSAN KIMSEY, I was full of fun and care and one of the few who listened to Ron and his caring ways to preserve our work.  His TMARCHIVE.ORG contains over seven thousand (7,123) transcriptions and has many of mine for the years 1992, 1993, and finally 1995 the year I left Urantia.  I am presenting a lesson now to all of you and our teacher AFLANA on the subject of EXPERIENCE, and getting it too fast.  Thank you Ron! [You are welcome my old Bay friend, and may we have a small reunion somehow in the future!  Ron]



Aflana061393Arcadia~ShareExperiencesButDoNotForceThem
Arcadia Teaching Mission
Teacher: Aflana
Share Experiences But Do Not Force Them
T/R: Douglas
Date: June 13, 1993


The love of our Father enfolds each of us. Wherever we are in this world He is with us always.
Greetings to you who are gathered together today. I am Aflana. I am your teacher. It is good that you have come together to learn in peace and love. Many more will come and share this wonderful experience with you. These words become more easier for Douglas. He is adjusting quite well. He perceives it not. You do well to reassure him as each of you must depend on one another. Every person desire to know their self worth, and each of you are valued much. Each of you are loved much. The Father loves all and give all to each of you. Receive His blessings; know His love; seek the stillness and your communion with Him. We are happy to be here with you to deliver our messages; to fulfill Michael's will in this Teaching Mission. We, too, pray for the success of the Teaching Mission, and for your individual development and growth. It is our responsibility to nurture you; to take you from this point to another where you will stand shoulder to shoulder with your fellow creatures in glory and praise of our Father. Take heed to our words hold them to your bosom. This is the desire of your Creator Son Michael of Nebadon that each of you will learn from this Teaching Mission, and earn your place in eternity. I will now entertain your questions.


Lucille: This is Lucille. I would like to know if you are our teacher? What is your name?


Aflana: Greetings, Lucille. I am Aflana. I am your teacher of assignment. It is I that will guide you at this point in your lessons.


Hal: Aflana, can we call upon you at our quiet sessions? Can you be with us at those time individually?


Aflana: Yes. It is my responsibility to you as a group and individually to guide your growth. When you seek the Father during these special times, I will make every effort to follow His will and be with you, also. This way we are able to tailor our lesson plans to your individual needs, and your group experiences. Does that suffice?


Hal: Yes. Thank you. Do I understand that we are--each of us--eventually to have our own Teacher that we should be able to make contact with one?


Aflana: This is in the Father's plans. That each of you realize your full potential, and this only can be done through you seeking the Father's will and taking that time to commune with your indwelling Adjuster who so patiently awaits your contact. Do not neglect this time, children. Set these few moments aside from your hurried existence. Avail yourselves of the opportunity for growth. This is important to you, and to us as your teachers that we commune daily. Are there other questions?


Violet: Aflana, do our future decisions as individuals--do they have a lot to do with--decisions concerning our material life--do they have a lot to do with our purpose individually or as a group? Or should we just continue to make the daily decisions that we make as we have been? I can't quite explain what I mean. How important are our daily decisions to the group as a whole and how it will grow?


Aflana: Your daily decisions are number one important to you, and to your daily spiritual growth, and how you perceive your existence and your place. It is through the Urantia book that we have shown you a different place. That we have shown you your place in the Father's plan. You should see yourself from the universal point of view; you should see your group. Now, from the universal perspective that you individually and collectively have an honored place in the plan. I hope that I am understanding your question. Is this correct?


Violet: I think so. Will our decisions be easier to make now?


Aflana: No decisions are easy. You can only make the best decision that your knowledge permits. You can only hope that you have made the correct decisions that matter. It is the desire of the Father to bring you along in your development step by step; decision by decision; mistake by mistake; correction by correction. Only through this process of making mistakes, decision, correction will you grow; will your morontia soul take on new meaning and take on life. That is the beginning of your meaning; you are wise to read the words of the Melchizedek; there is wisdom there. Take heed.


Hal: Aflana, you bring up the question of decisions which brings up something that I have been wondering about. Are these conscious, willful decisions like between black and white? Or are they merely--is it considered decision when you go with the flow shall we say of doing what seems to be the right thing to do at the time? Or do we have to sit down and consciously make a decision as to what we do? Do I make myself understood?


Aflana: This is a good question? Seek the Father in all things. Seek His guidance through your Father fragment. This will help, but this will not take the place of the decisions that you must make individually. We cannot make your decisions for you. We cannot live your experiential lives. We love you and desire that you have ease, but sometimes strife must prevail. And through the strife you come to a clear understanding. This clear understanding is your growth. This growth helps your future decision making.


Hal: For then do I understand that if we are seeking the Father--to do the Father's will at all times, we are then making a decision--the right decision--and that our daily lives; our spiritual growth will respond as we are seeking the Father's will at all times.


Aflana: This is correct. Your conscious decisions to seek the Father's will is always the correct decision. You must, however, take those steps; make those steps; make those decisions in faith; resting assured that the Father will guide you always to the perfect place.


Hal: Then we're to make the conscious decision to do the Father's will; then we will go with the flow (so to speak--shall we say) as in our daily lives, and in the other decisions and the things we do. Because we don't often run into the things that are black and white decisions to make.


Aflana: Go with what you know. Go with your feelings. Trust your intuitions. This is an act of faith. Do you not perceive that the Father is the Father of all? Do you not yet understand His love and His desire for your success? Question not his love; accept it; share it with one another in the world by your conscious acts to do the right things. Is this plain to you?


Hal: Yes, very clear. Then this is what we learned in kindergarten that God is love. Love is everything.


Aflana: We are always in beginnings. We begin daily on our path.


Betty: Aflana, this Betty. I certainly know what you mean about making mistakes. Because once I have made the decision to be more Godlike, I constantly see how un-Godlike I am. And it's from my own personal experience it's always that I make the mistake and then I say: Well, that wasn't right; that wasn't the thing to do; I'll never do that again! And you mentioned correction. Is it real growth provoking to then turn right around and seek to make it right, or does it suffice to say: Well, I won't do that again. I'll be more conscious of that in the future. That's my number one question. And my number two question is could you talk to us about the Father's love. Because we have faith that the Father loves us. I don't always experience the Father's love in a direct physical way. I perceive the Father's love in the workings of my life, praying for a better communion with the people I work with and my daughter and having it go that way. And I attribute that to the Father working within me, and could you address that.


Aflana: Thank you, Betty, for your questions. I will try to answer to your satisfaction as much as I am permitted. You come from lowly animal origins, but this is the plan from the beginning that these greater spiritual beings would ascend from lowly animal origins. For your mistakes are understood; they are tolerated, and they are the way that we bring you to a higher realm; to higher conscious; to higher growth; to the development of your morontia souls. We do not expect you to see through morontia eyes at this point in your development. We do expect you to make an attempt to grow more; to get on the path of growth through conscious efforts through seeking the stillness in the presence of the Father. Through coming together in love and unity and seeking the correctness of your brothers and sisters. This is a time of correctness. This is a time when all mistakes can be manifest and learning can be achieved through reflection. Reflecting on your past lives; reflecting on your group experiences; sharing these growth factors. It is the plan that you bring others to this understanding that you have arrived at, with the help of all spiritual beings that gather to observe your growth. Is this clear?


Betty: Yes. Thank you, Aflana.


Dixie: Hello, Aflana. I want to make the best decision that will not only affect me, but also to be part of this group That if I make the wrong decision, that I will be too far away from this group.


Aflana: Your decisions will come whether right or wrong you will grow from them. When you are away from your source of heat you will remain warm for awhile until you become connected with another source. You come back and warm yourselves with the heat of this group. There are many groups who are receiving these messages so fear not that you will be left unguided in your endeavors to adjust your personal lives. Does this help you.


Dixie: Yes, thank you. Your answer was better than my question.


Aflana: This is wonderful.


Hal: Good


Violet: It answered mine better.


Hal: This question of decisions seems to be a pertinent one right now. And do I understand in the growth and development of people that when at the age of 5 or 6 they make their first moral decision then they receive their Thought Adjuster. And then do I to understand that at the adolescent age of 13, 14, and 15 again is that a new growth period in decision making. You may know that we have our granddaughter with us now who is 15. And we find her decisions are sometimes questionable. She's neither child nor adult, and this is a standard growth pattern of decision making at 15 looking to the future.


Aflana: This is standard on your sphere. This one that you speak of is struggling. Struggling to know themselves, and struggling to know the world that they are a part of. So you and your spouse must allow the growth; must allow her growth, but be ever watchful for error and correct with love as Michael corrects us gently and lovingly. There is fatigue coming so we will take our leave from you at this time, but we ask that you take quiet times and seek Him.


That you share the love that you are experiencing with another, and others who we see coming into your group. Make a place for the children; make a place for them.


Lucille: Should we ask our study group which meets on Monday night, and tell them about this Teacher Commission. They are reading the Urantia book on Monday night. Should they start in with us to learn the love, too.


Aflana: This would be good. Share the experience, but do not force them. Hold out your hand, and if they take, so be it. If not, you have offered. Thank you.


From the group: Good-bye, Aflana. Thank you.


Lucille: We thank you for your lesson.


Hal: Yes. We have more questions. We would like to continue on for hours, but there is a limit I am sure. We certainly appreciate your coming with us today. It has been wonderful, beautiful information.


Aflana: It has been joyous for us also. Farewell!


END

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AUDIO TAPE Links - Comments - Schedule inside / THURSDAY LIGHLINE 5PM TODAY 8 FEB 2024

« on: February 08, 2024, 16:01:15 pm »

A request has been made by our FATHER, to hold a light line soon this afternoon.

5PM Thursday 8 Feb toady - extra LIGHTLINE.  See you there if you are willing to  tune in. 
Ron

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General Discussion / Lost Sons - MICHAEL OF NEBADON speaking 08 Feb 2024

« on: February 08, 2024, 15:56:43 pm »

February 08, 2024 and

The Salvington Voice of God

This is MICHAEL OF NEBADON.

"Ron just read the post by OCCERPA, and fully and totally agrees with him over the issue.

"Occerpa, Ron is privately ill, and with you on every word of your post statement.  

"Let me clarify:

"Urantia is the origin of about 9 billion people today.  Fully 2/3rds of that population have never heard the word, "GOD!"

"For that reason Occerpa, the entire matter is nearly broken in two, for Ron says to me this morning, "Michael, I am so sorry, I have no sympathy for Gaza, the Palestinians, or any such Arab, that cannot understand that murder is not only improper, but that murder is a sin, if appropriately understood by God the Father when judging how one comes over to be resurrection.

"For that reason, again Occerpa, the trial for most to stand back and prepare for their Judgement Day, is not just a matter of passing to the Mansion Worlds with permission, but passing the judgement of sin first.

"Those who are adjudged in sin must stand before a tribunal before they may pass to the mansion worlds.  Today the tribunal is backlogged to the point it cannot be cleared for another six (6) months to become current to bring some to the mansion worlds concurrently.  For that reason, I have decreed them all to sleep for years if necessary before we get to their judgement, and for that reason, there is no backlog in the tribunal to do this work for Me and My FATHER.  Now let me be sure you understand this Occerpa.

"Nine billion people on Urantia and only 600 million know the word "God." or "Allah."  What ever else is the case, we dare not take the time to work these huge numbers off suddenly, but it will take years more to savior those who are so questionable, we have to move on with those to judge and assign the mansion worlds to them if required.  That makes you Occerpa, about one in six (6) to ten (10) thousand who will move equally and smoothly to your mansion world assignment shortly or longly depending on how you stand spiritually today.  Without my judgement hat on, I cannot tell anything as I am just the Creator Son.  For reasons of my own I dare not carry too much of this to Ron, as he must understand his world of thought and care is so preposterously good, I must make a special dispensation for him to go to the mansion worlds alone.

"In Ron's case he has achieved all of his psychic circles, most of his mansion world circles, and at least three (3) of his spirit circles to date.  HE is today moody and loss but he cannot help it as we just are moving so slowly he is experiencing a lot of body pain and refuses all medication lest it removes him from consciousness.  For that reason we let it float, but he is sporting a toupe soon if he cannot control hair loss which is being absorbed by the scalp and is not going bald.  For my own care I would suggest this whole matter stop right now, says FATHER.  And to you OCCERPA, learn that the entire matter between you and Ron and the discussion forum, is actually viewed as one unit of people so well organized and informed, you have little education left on the mansion worlds at all.  BUT, you must go through the mansion worlds quickly to be assigned to the FIRST STAGE OF SPIRIT, quickly, and yes Ron you are hearing a muse from the 6th mansion world asking for more information!

THE 6TH MANSION WORLD QUESTION:

 "Where in heaven's name does this come about when we are fully advised that mansion world six (6) is the final step to citizenship to the chief planet on the mansion worlds?"

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "Now Ron we come to the point you have raised again and again and now I see we really hit a nail the wrong way with a transmission which speaks to becoming a FIRST STAGE SPIRIT.

"AS MICHAEL OF NEBADON, I state the following to mansion world listeners.  Your trip to your present status is valid and you complete the regime as you have heard of it. 

"However, we are placing the entire matter differently in about a millennium.  Ron Besser who is your transmitter here has broken all records for the speed of ascension, as he works hard everyday to get things write and to include as many who will allow him to include a direct voice of Deity to speak to them daily.  Few, very few, see it that way, and refuse to attend including Lightlines anymore which dictate the FATHER'S  voice to them.  HE does speak that easily, but is finding that Ron and his routine use of the language is insufficient for many to accept it that way at all. 

"WE are not stopping the broadcast of our FATHER, but we are toning down how much He speaks in the future, as the Lightlines are getting quite popular with some boradcasters, and they except some of the work to make their point very well.  I am fully glad Ron can do all this without blinking an eye, but he must understand there is no release from his duties when he attends the mansion world conclaves, as they are all beginning to understand that Ron and five others as his Board of Directors can all speak the Voice of God easily and well.  We are not making this up, and for reasons of State, here is your mother of the past to determine, she is amazed over your talents but you did broadcast to her. [Ron, but mother I did as I broadcast your Angel a couple of times and told you so it was she.] 

"I have never seen such a rigamarole you presented to me one day as a broadcast and it made no sense to me whatsoever and I quit this not, but leave you alone as you are my son, but not my God."

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "That is not your mother Ron, as she is fully aware of what you can do, but there are plenty of those up here on the mansion worlds who refuse voicing of anything like God the FATHER.  You  no not care at all because you quite well know the difference and who even is speaking without them naming themselves to you as you have gotten that good by broadcasting every day for at least 4 to 5 hours everyday.  That is extraordinary and you do it so easily it is part of your conversation without anyone knowing that is not your direct voice.  We obey the time now, and say this to you OCCERPA.

"You are one of the few who sticks with it in spite of irregular problems of care and the sulk of the beale you sometimes feel.  [Ron - beale is not a true English word, and Michael uses it showing the feeling of displeasure so much and almost all the day - beale is a feeling of disgust or dislike in general often not with using words to tell everybody.]

"Let us reconfigure some that definition for you too, Ron.  Your beale is not so much angry but disgusted with performances on this planet of wicked and stupid behavior too.  Certainly, Occepra feels that too.  In any case we finish this with the following distinction:

"URANTIA is not ever going to be cleared of the misfits until the planet is removed from its present PLANETARY SYSTEME,  and becomes moribund for decades and then suddenly the large population starts dying off.  The oceans will not hold them so there must be large funeral pyres and for that reason Ron, you will be sickened by the slaughter of not the many, but of the good and decent as they must makes sense of the day, and they cannot, and just give in to the past view that man is good, but an animal, and only the soul will restate them as good.  For reasons of State you reference Pope Benedict VIII, and his prognostication that all men fail in one way: the Sanctity of Christ.  

[The Pope speaks, His Excellency Pope Benedict VIII] - "You Ron are a rascal, and I speak slowly so you can catch not my brevity, but my heart to a man who catches the faith of God, but not His brevity of thought for you.  You carry huge responsibilities, and you share as much as you can.  But dare not abide the snarls of displeasure over your assignment to prevent further despoiling of the 5th epochal revelation while making sure you do not make more errors.

"You correct yourself all the time and learn we are fully available for disporting entirely, but you carry very little scared voicing for the simple reason you prefer technology over ministry.  I wonder how muc the ministry of God would become available if you allowed me to speak none such but often as Pope Benedict VIII.  You have nothing against it you say.  I do. 

"For one reason or another there is insufficient care given to the poor or the lost who could learn all this, but you technology is far too good for most to take advantage of it.  But you do not disagree with that, but the entire ability you do have is the same as GEORGE BARNARD once said to you: "How do you work when I cannot understand the words of your ministry?"  I stay back now.  POPE BENEDICT VIII speaking."

FATHER OF ALL - "To you Pope Benedict VIII, you are the lush green of the type of mind loves to work with and you are entirely fair and honest in every moment of your speech.  I am familiar with the Office you hold, but you are not familiar with the Office Ron holds, which is just as sacred s the Vatican view of Jesus.  He is not offending anyone, but lets the moment carry the weight and not preparing any of you for more without a sentence to betray his wiley ways.  He can speak easily and humorously and well depending on the subject.  For that reason I stand back and say nothing, as there is never any error except for the lack of further revelation.  You Pope Benedict VIII, are full of errors from you necessary office out of too old of traditions you cannot yourself correct what they speak all the time.  You know that now and he enjoys you very much, but is regarding you as a Pope with old knowledge, and does not seek to correct you.  However, you find correction most of the time when he lets you know the more full truth of the discharge of statements regarding, Jesus, for instance.  He has no great knowledge of Jesus, except in the contemporary world of Urantia, he knows a great deal more than the Vatican, and for that reason says little to what is only in your charge now.

"I AM THE UNIVERSAL FATHER, and I dare speak lowly to you Ron, as you enjoy the rough and tumble of circumstances you face on Urantia proper.  But you let slip yourself sometimes and it is hilarious to the last speak.  Yet it is not God, but a technique to teach.  I never saw it before and you are ready to admit it is not hte best all the time but it sure makes a noise no one forgets.  I am fully aware of all your hearts and sounds, but you are not getting me in on it until you are cleaned up on the mansion worlds, and you yourself declare you have no intention of missing the mansion worlds, and your family is up here too and they recall you better than you wish.   You are practically wed to Monica of the Foundation, and she with you; however, we have another plan in mind Ron, and that is to provide your services to people who never heard the word God before.  You say it is more an English problem than total ignorance.  I agree with that too and let this alone for now.

"However, Ron, as your FATHER on HIGH, we need to confer with you that your poison pill with legs and now breast, his not entirely our fault, but the fault of evil done to you by Lanaforge and the Creative Spirit, and few even know what that means but you well do.  For that reason, we cut this discussion to speak to all of you:

"The worse it gets the better you are Ron, and nobody will understand that better than I, your FATHER, and Myself, as I am truly the FATHER OF ALL, but you make me specialized in that I can now walk through a crowd and get the humor that bubbles so much on Urantia.  After all, I AM FATHER, and you Ron care desperately that unity and cooperation prevail for these Missions, and so do I  But even the readership is divided and divided again, and you think there is too much disuse of the 5th epochal revelation at conferences and study sessions.  I fully agree but you had at least six (6) Urantia Groups and they all did well so long as you kept them busy in mind and let the entire matter send them to reading outlines which is so helpful, I wonder why others never thought of it.  In answer to that you say most group leaders have no compassion to sit down and right a weekly outline to teach from.  You did, and they work very well when you teach from it.  I must agree you let them off too early but that was a misery you felt over taking too much of you into it.  I agree with that too, but you were ready to transition out anyhow.

"Finally, to close this post, we must make no amends to you OCCERPA.  The trial is a horror, and the life of people on Urantia is foreclosed too soon.  But there is no excuse for the momentary disaster on Urantia of two wars going on at the same time, and NO, there will be no nuclear exchange but there is a real danger the place opens up into a WWII scenario, and that hits the USA especially with difficulty for it is wealth and uncaring about its neighbors problems with a glut of people from Central America.  I can be cut off the the government of the US is hapless and cannot sanction those who care to live here.  None the less it must be done and we will see to it quickly.  We will arrive shortly Ron, and you are fully available in spite of the terror you face daily over death too early for your taste and mine.  K  THE FATHER OF ALL
 
Ron - I must break this post off as there are several more in line to speak to us of the coming Missions, but you reader can only take so much and I close for now.  Than you for listening.  K

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "To the reader:  You should shun your care about length, as I have a lot to tell you.  I want Ron to hold a Lightline at 5PM New York time today, same station and place.  Thank you.

LIGHTLINE 5PM NEW YORK TIME TODAY THURSDAY THE 8TH OF FEBRUARY

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AUDIO TAPE Links - Comments - Schedule inside / Sunday Lightline 21 Jan 2024

« on: January 22, 2024, 11:36:19 am »

Link to the Sunday Lightline of 21 January 2024

https://www.conferencecalling.com/recordings/1528070/251848/VCISPREC02_251848_20240121_110137

Enjoy and thank you for listening.  K

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Example of False Revelation / URANTIA MILLENNIUM III STILL SELLING

« on: January 15, 2024, 10:15:16 am »

Millennium III is still on sale.

You take into your own hands the problems with this book.  IT is not a revelation but a spoof.  Who wants to fool with bad information about such important aspects in your spiritual life?  If you do wish false information, this one is available.
The term URANTIA used to be a copyrighted name, but the true Urantia Book lost its copyright due to the age of the original copyright some years back.  The author(s) of this hack seem to want to improve the falseness of the most false evaluations of what the original revelation talked about.  This is not the best kind of spoof ever offered either and at least be warned this is no update  but someone's idea of a trial to those of us who support the true 5th epochal revelation in the Urantia Book.  Just be warned there is no loss if you do not read this one.

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Discuss This Web Site / We Have Pruned Inactive Members fyi

« on: January 15, 2024, 09:44:41 am »

We give notice that all inactive members have been pruned off the membership list this morning.

The membership removed are those who either have never posted in two years, or those who have not appeared for more than 180 days.  If this has affected you, please ask me at aronolac@comcast.com, to reinstall your membership.  If you do send a request also include your user name, email address to be used, and your password.  I will reactivate your account and your password can be edited by you if you wish by going to your profile which is a button under your name I believe. 

The action clears our cache and reduces unnecessary text to slim the discussion form to actual active members.  We do apologize if we accidentally removed you and you wish to continue to be a member.  Thanks for your time and patience in these matters.

Ron Besser/Admin

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General Discussion / Lightline for 4PM today - be present if you can - LL USA 09 Jan 24 at PM

« on: January 09, 2024, 15:34:16 pm »

I am requested to host a Lightline later this afternoon.  Make it if you can.  Most of you are not paying attention.  There is another insurrection.  Michael would like to speak to that and some other things.  Thanks to all of you.  Ron Besser

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General Discussion / Ancients of Days announce new insurrection and speak generally as well

« on: January 09, 2024, 12:38:55 pm »

York, Pa
January 09. 2024
The ANCIENTS OF DAYS SPEAK AND WARN:


The ANCIENTS OF DAYS speak:
"WE are under an emergency restoration warning.  The reason is this.

 
"The cabal has taken it upon themselves to sequester a portion of Uversa to stand back against the Local Universe of Nebadon, from clearing their numbers with executions and final imprisonment.  The cabal now reports it has seized portions of Urantia already, but is now on the run when the Universal FATHER removed their protection and made the entire matter an issue of INSURRECTION only. 
 

 
"The cabal in return has soldered their residual headquarters on Uversa, shut.  For that reason there is no ingress or egress into tht hive, and for other reasons, they are threatening to bring down you Ron with muderderous pleasure, and your horrible temper keeps them at bay before they can get loose on you.  You have receive cutting injuries to your body already you never mention, but that is now healing nicely and you are no longer subject to their presence ever again.  Let this be a reminder to all of you we cannot guarnatee results for humans even though we can protect some of you to a certain extent.  Ron is well protected yet they managed to get in and slice him with a spirit knife quite painfully.

 
"Lastly, today is January 9, 2024, and we have no good reason to say otherwise that all humans on Urantia could face immediate reprisals for being out of line while the Regency is being installed.  Ron has gotten a good lecture on how to be quiet, but even that is benevolent due to the fact he announced the Regency to a highly weel known media personality, and she is fully responding with nothing but, "how curious."  Ron says then to us, there is no feedback we need to worry about.  But the producer of the Rachel Maddow show indicates this is a huge topic they should explore but gets nowhere with higher ups who have no taste for the controversy with religion.  Sop it does on the vine.  Not  quite.  But wait it out Ron, as we are sure you opened a door to something quite serious they must contend with shortly.  K   The Uversa Ancients of Days reporting."

 
Ron - WE thank the DAYS to bother details of a report that worried me from earlier this morning when there were almost not sings of any transmissions available.  You are a gracious spirit group and I am deeply affected by such kindness in the middle of another insurrection.  This time it could trigger the final days of so much that has gone wrong as MICHAEL OF NEBADON tries to get these missions to us on Urantia.  Thank you MICHAEL OF NEBADON, and thank you ANCIENTS OF DAYS, GABRIEL, and a host of loyal seraphim who want to see this put right very soon.
 

 
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General Discussion / New Timeline revised 8 January 2024 is available /Ron to Host LL later today

« on: January 09, 2024, 11:13:59 am »

Dear Members,
I have revised the Timeline to January 08, 2024 and release it now.  It contains entries by date of important history and events of the various Missions we have passed through in the last 30 years and anticipate even more history appear soon too.  This timeline contains some Urantia Book history not known before and it also contains a summary of the Teaching Mission, as that program in the 1990's is what allowed us to learn to transmit Lightlines, for one thing, and for another,  it established the protocols of how spirit likes to interface with us.




Here is the Link to the revised Timeline from the late 1800's to the present early January of 2024.  


DUE TO THE INSURRECTION THAT LINK WAS BROKEN.  THERE IS A NEW LINK SHOWN BELOW, BUT ON MY COMPUTER THE CABAL HAS FORCED THE SITE NOT TO READ IT PROPERLY.  THE LINK IS CORRECT BUT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE DOCUMENT DUE TO THEIR CONFUSION OF HTML CODE.   THE BELOW LINK IS CORRECT IN SPITE OF WHAT YOU MIGHT GET THANKS TO THE CABAL.  The new link represents some more editing I did for your information.




https://app.box.com/s/wfez2okmkjadrefth80da26pewq0yftk



hank you
Ron B

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General Discussion / New Years Greeting from Michael of Nebadon - Fight the Cabal yet!

« on: January 01, 2024, 10:22:24 am »

This is MICHAEL OF NEBADON
A Happy New Year to All
January 01, 2024

“This is MICHAEL OF NEBADON speaking, and the insurrection (cabal) is deeply worried their moment is over and very soon.  Happy New Year to that thought!

“I am taking a moment to say a good and happy New Year to all of you and to stay the course in spite of numerous breaches of security once again on Urantia.  We cannot be entirely cheerful nor can Ron as he woke up under a new failure of communication we are not familiar with, and that is the Universal Father, banning all communication not authorized to work on Urantia.  For that reason I warn all of you that to attempt a Lightline today is mostly futile.  Rene Duran experienced a failur of his Sunday Lightline, and Ron properly warned him.  You all need to take seriously this fight, and it is not over by a long shot I am afraid to report.

“Second, the new year (2024) is hopeful.

“For that reason I am leaving open a few ideas we can penetrate and make work in the coming months while we battle the trials they represent over us and now over the transmitters on Urantia.

“I am making available about six hundred newly created seraphim to help police the band width of your Lightline transmissions, but they are new and must fight a whole new issue coming to our Local Universe, and that issue is called “banning.”


“IF frequency banning takes place and that is not the good guys doing it, we are finished with Lightlines until they can established again, and that is unpredictable.  I am also removing a huge number of artifacts from our Lightlines too and that includes using rubber bullets to stop the cabal from interfering.  I am not joking as they are reissuing a ban on Lightline transmissions and so be careful about tapes and other sound production if you are using it.

“Finally, we can get through easily Ron, as you are powerful enough to strangle small attempts at derailing these messages.  Let your day reside with the New Year idea and I will speak later today.  I suspect Elise is not doing a Lightline today, and that huge bill from the phone provider is not yours to worry about again, as that issue is a demand by a public utility in Kenya to pay for all outside phone calls out of the country.  That individual is fully aware now you are paying a whopping bill for his attendance and removes his interest accordingly.

“Initially, we must state the following too:

“You Ron got it in the neck again and you are very unhappy with voice transmission upon awakening.  ARTHURA saved the day and allows this transmission to take place, and you need to dress and keep cheerful in spite of the messes starting to pile up on you again.  Let this place settle itself momentarily.

“Those who are cheerfully done today, we congratulate you!  For those finding problems on their doorstep again, grin and bear it, and that is until we can correct this mess getting on the doorstep of our goodwill and the start of the REGENCY.  

“Regency people are here on Urantia.  I sent about six million (the number is correct) seraphic guides to bed and asked all of them to take/pause for rest as the battle is ready to being in earnest over the insurrection again mounting a bitter fight over Urantia.  Urantia holds one of the keys to spiritual success because it is a BESTOWAL PLANET, and for that reason it must be protected at all costs, for a Bestowal Planet contains harbingers of future universe developments only a Bestowal Planet can provide.

“And finally, let this message ring true to all of you!  Ron has to battle the cabal assigned to push him over the edge mentally, but he is so strong they get no where and have to laugh at the shenanigans he throws up to stop their incursions against him and against Us.

“HAPPY NEW YEAR! And let the bells toll to a free Urantia when the clearance is final.  We pray this ends quickly and Ron thank you for your monster bearing over people who refuse to provide true leadership.  The cabal has destroyed a section of transmission equipment up here again, and we let it go for now.  MICHAEL OF NEBADON at your service!  Good day!  Michael.”

END

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General Discussion / Report on the Status of the Regency on 29 December 2023 - Magisterial Foundation

« on: December 29, 2023, 08:11:35 am »

Magisterial Foundation
Status Report
December 29, 2023

Transmission from MICHAEL, MACHIVENTA, Ruth Ginsberg and my THOUGHT ADJUSTER.  These transmissions are fully under attack  by rebels and for the transmission themselves,  there sometimes are forced breaks to contend with,.  We continue:

Ron here - A status Report sort of next after my remarks, and a statement concerning the Urantia Supreme Court and its new Justice, Ruth Ginsberg, recently deceased but so vivacious and caring the MELCHIZEDEKS have appointed her to the Urantia Supreme Court over secure objections of the insurrectionists and cabal holding forth over Urantia. 

As Ron, I speak as follows:

This is Friday, the 29th of December and it is quite frail in communication, as most of you having nothing to say, and I in particular am finding any use of the discussion forum almost impossible to bring to life as it used to be.  

That might be due to a change in status for us– I do not know.  But I do know that the entire matter of care and folding a spirit mission has fallen on deaf ears as there is almost no incoming communication from anyone anymore.  That I do have a comment on for what it is worth.

Most of you who speak on the web site we call the Serara discussion forum, have been with us almost since its inception years ago.  This web site has stayed solid and is here regardless of what happened outside of it.  Now it appears it has little use for the spiritual missions they say unfold now as the priory mission called the Regency takes shape and moves through the land and seas of Urantia.

I for one see little use for discussion themselves as we a re relegated to a past performance.  That has no reason to be for me, and I let it ride as I dare not do anything other than to wonder why the changes without some explanation as to our wishes or importance regarding the Missions to come.  It is though MICHAEL OF NEBADON Himself has withdrawn in anticipation of higher authority to determine the direction and nature of what must be done with His Urantia.

I am Ron Besser, and you all know me as one with great interest to maintain momentum and care for those of us who cannot fathom our relationship in the first place with the proposed spiritual missions to our planet.  I am entirely sure there is a change in status just because we are human, but we are at least semi-literate, and now are dropped from the roll calls even.  I cannot read the bigger picture as to why at all, but on one level accept it is necessary, but on the caring level we meant something, I am totally unsure how to proceed with the present circumstance of so very little concern for the humans who are to receive these Missions as instructions to do better for Urantia certainly.

I close my remarks to all of you who insist on protocols be established to proceed even with the discussion forum, and I am one of you on asking for the same to be observed.  I was going to hold a Board of Directors meeting for the Magisterial Foundation in the first week of 2024, but in my amazement, there is no reflection of my concern for our organization of thought even from our MELCHIZEDEK Directors.  To be fair they do not know my thinking well as they are sequestered, I assume, in their own group interests as I write this.

That is fine, but no one of us forgets we are deaf, dumb, and blind as we are not powerful enough to have anything but a pow-wow and nothing much results from that.  And I am writing mostly to vent my concerns for all of you and how this slow pace is acting like an acid against our good will efforts to procure at least some idea why there is a censorship in place it disallows normal practice of a gathering of a care group to see these missions off well and successful.

Finally, here is MICHAEL OF NEBADON to speak:

MICHAEL -   “ You are welcoming not these words of Ron, and they are fully the best you are going to get for the moment.  I am not hiding.  Jesus is not hiding, But the entire mechanism of speech to Urantia and our supporters is not holding.  There is nothing we wish to share until we know what there is to share.

“Past work with you stretches back almost thirty (30) years now, and Ron cut his teeth on our good will and transmissions.   He does not easily give up and refuses to listen to new wannabees who come to the Urantia forum, say a lot of hot air and then disappear with their tails between their legs like beatten dogs.  I am fully unaware of changes, but Ron is correct, the importance of anything human is not available, and I do not intent to start a change about that ever again.

[Ron here: there is a sudden change in voice and I do not think it is MICHAEL now speaking . . . ]

“Our choices [the voicing indicates] are to lay down and let the entire matter reside with the Universal FATHER.  Our choices are Father driven, but there is no enforcement.

“For that reason, you humans are left to hang over the side of the Urantia ship-of-state and for that reason Ron you have my Kudos over your placement, as you know exactly what we are talking about.  Ron is in effect available to detect there is a regime in place on Urantia, he can hardly work with.  He refuses cooperation at my level, and for that reason is snubbed out of the opening days of a Regency we deem to be ours and not yours Ron, or does it belong to Michael or Gabriel or Tarkas or anyone but the trial of a supreme which no longer wishes a calm representation to all of you.

The for another reason, you Ron shall pass and we remain in control until we have what we want.  Period.  And for that reason Ron you are studying ways to avoid us and that is not going to work because we permeate the entire matter.

“For instance, no more good will Lightlines if I can help it.  Second there is nothing for you to stop here unless you no longer permit transmission.  You are fully aware I should state my case but are tiring of the repertoire you have known too long in your estimation.   Therefore I take this cause one step further and align myself not with TARKAS, but with the hell breakers callded the seraphic incursion.  END K”


MICHAEL OF NEBADON - “Thank you Ron for allowing the speech in order to get on the record there is nothing left in the planetary administration to discuss with us or with you as they are entirely a set of rebellion issues being forced on Urantia for some reason, and you are one of them Ron, as they refuse the use of a human institution at all for some reason.  The Magisterial Foundation has no Board meeting until we clear the rebellion issue now and again.  I thought we had it clear and so did you Ron, but this final note from ME now is to align myself with your insistence Urantia be cleared so you can operate.  I happen to fully agree with that but let it ride momentarily until we are instructed by PARADISE just what this means to all of us too.   I am MICHAEL OF NEBADON at your service.  K:

Ron Besser - I am fully aware of the disheartening situation, and is mostly I decided to post something this morning and that is not with much news to any of you at all, but at least you hear something to speak to yourselves from me in particular.

As a result there is not much more to say except what clarification this may bring to you.  We are not playing out the scenario promised less a week ago, and I for one am amazed this changed so quickly I get disoriented over it.   Let me make one quick summary and then our FATHER has something to say to close this post.

It is my opinion that we are back under a brutal regime of careless insurrection that is more than seraphic.  It is not clear to me they have a point to make we humans, and they are just pushing back out of the way.  However, I can hear MICHAEL OF NEBADON murmur, “this shall not stand!”  But it takes more than just saying it, and we are NOT privy to such remedial plans from Michael at this point.

We have our voice on this discussion forum, and use it if you can.  I am not turning this over to our UNIVERSAL FATHER to speak now:


“I AM YOUR FATHER.  Let that stand well.  I do not stand well with an insurrection that has quit rational observation, and now insists on dominion over anything that moves on Urantia.  I could summarily remove it but I do not for one good reason: some of you subscribe to the idea that MICHAEL OF NEBADON does not lead but merely states the case and stays out of remedies on his own say so.

“That is just not true; however, MICHAEL is unsure who is directing the insurrection now.  We know precisely but we are CONTROLLER and dare not speak all we know just now.   For our own reasons we are unhappy to report that the Melchizedek incursion of only three (3) days ago is out of fashion with the rebels and both sides regroup for or against me again.  I am tolerant of your care Ron but you are being forced out of the circuitry but regroup in your usual fashion and I wait it out . . . . .

[30 seconds later, we continued. . . ] “For reasons of State I quote again Ron, you know how to clear them and we continued . . .

“WE are driven not by compassion on Urantia, but by thought which includes a nuclear annihilation of life uncomparable to my view of a life planet Urantia fully stands for.  However, let Ruth Ginsberg say a word to you then:”

 [Ron here: Ruth Ginsberg died not that long ago and was a Justice of the United States Supreme Court, until death closed her eyes about a year ago I think.  We have spoken to each othe casually and she is kind enough to speak to us as a Justice of the Urantia Supreme Court under MACHICENTA MELCHIZEDEK - Thank you and let us proceed with her warning:]

 
JUSTICE GINSBERG speaks -
“Thank you Ron for such a nice introduction, and you are sure I dismiss you as frivolous, but you are standing in for our work right now and it is as follows to this group you lecture but they seldom respond on any level of thought except to let you know they get the message.  For that reason I address ALL WHO READ HERE:


“I am still a Justice of the United States Supreme Court, in asbstentia.

“For that reason then let us say that the following statement I make here is in clear channel, and the worst of the rebels are driven back.  You Ron are working hard to stay out of the fray, and are doing fine, but you cannot stay out of the fray when organizations start to realize you have a strong voice to portray in spite of your serious illness and care that it be alleviated by whatever means it can be done.  It cannot be done easily, and for reasons of my own I employ the picture Judge Judy to you who you really like.   This:

“WE are quite sure there is nothing to report to humans, but the SUPREME COURT OF URANTIA is now working to clear the planet through the ANCIENTS OF DAYSm and for that reason alone, we state the following to you Ron:

“I am indeed RUTH GINSBERG, recently deceased, but caring very much that Urantia supporters of the MICHAEL regime, and the care givers there, are ready to place you ad the Magisterial Foundation into an actual work place, and for other reasons you have transferred authority to the MELCHIZEDEKS wisely done as the power and authority speaking for your support of the MICHAEL regime to run the Missions on Urantia once again.

“As a result of my elevation to the Urantia (spirit organization) Supreme Court, there was a decision to deride your causes and let them spring  forth for their own purposes.  That broke the back of the insurrectionists but failed to convince the FATHER you could carry it forward well due to your illness.  That said, we also decided to clear the illness where proper and did so only to face an angry supreme, and received an angry recital over issues of State again,

“Now this Ron, the interference against this transmission is horrific, and stop it now.  I will report it again when they are pushed back AND IN PRISON!  Good day.”

  Ron here and an abrupt end to the connection.  I leave this as a report about status and that is all it is members.  The truth of the matter is that our FATHER is in charge and refuses to administer Justice on His own, and asks for an impromptu meeting of the Justice system on Urantia.   I am not informed as it now proceeds and I close this missive for the moment.  Thank you for listening.  

END

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General Discussion / The Forecast for January 2024 and the Jesus Natal Chart revealed

« on: December 28, 2023, 15:17:39 pm »

The Magisterial Foundation:
The Regency January 2024

Transmitter: Ron Besser
December 28, 2023


Master Spirit Four (4) speaks - “What follows is a real treat for us to follow.  Ron is very careful not to imbibe astrological terms, but there is a January astrological forecast he likes to share with you and take it as best you can.  He also spreads one heck of a surprise by showing you his work of the horoscope as found on the day of the Birth of Jesus.  It happens to be fairly accurate but with a lot of holes in it This article is a masterpiece of research and a caring transmitter.  Thank you.

Ron: I speak with great thanks to you Master Spirit (4), and I am grateful I am awake enough to hear it as I am quite ill from the transition over me.  I also forecast that January, 2024, is also a huge moment to reconsider the use of the Master Force Organizers, who delight in your take of their work with me.  I am so humbled by their power but their willingness to translate down to me, but that they can actually see me at work and I am amazed I survive the witnessing.

Fully to all of you, I have managed to put a birth chart together for Jesus as it is truly corrected for the birth day of 07 BCE at noon in Jerusalem. I have recovered some of it and present still unfinished here.  They promise me the chart will be fully done some day if not soon enough.  

And now to the meat of the article:

Astrological Forecast for January, 2024 with the REGENCY

The REGENCY defined:

Before I begin operations on the astrological forecast concerning the approach of the spiritual Regency as an actual operation on this planet, I would like to define the term “REGENCY” much better than most of you have it so far.

Back in 2020 I decided the Missions to Urantia ought to have a catch title.  I remembered my history real well and recalled what our governments do a regency if they have a monarch government when they have a king or a queen and their parents die before their children can inherit the throne.  That is when a Vizier is appointed  to rule in their place until the right age to rule is reached by them to take responsibility.  That period where they are ruled by a mature adult in history is called a REGENCY.   Spain, England, and France, to name of few, had their periods of Regency in history.

I also thought to myself that spirit is always complaining that man is too immature to sometimes to rule their own destines very well at all.  That is why I named the Magisterial Sons as the true adults to us and learn proper rule of countries and families, as they are also Paradise Viziers, and we thank them for allowing me to call them as such.

How does the idea of an astrology forecast this post then through mentioning the idea of a Regency to teach us?

IT is this.  We are starting a new year in a week or so and I looked at astrological terms too in order to see what the stars might say about what they might think we meet too.  It is not a pretty picture but it is definable.  So let me tell you something about my own adventures in looking at a January forecast coming up.


How I Use The Corporate Forecast

The ASTROLOGICAL Forecast is one I copied from a subscription I use to originate some friends I have to produce their natal horoscope for their own education.   The subscription includes near the first of each month a review of the astrological meanings of the month to come.  I use their prognosis as it is as good as it gets by prominent astrologers operating in Belgium.   Here now we start:


The Astrological Forecast for January, 2024.
Before you throw this baby out with this bath water, recognize the psychological conditioning of man is also over the idea that to a certain extent man must follow the scribes of operational time.   That is saying the old saying, that man is subject to inheritance, but he is also subject to his environmental conditioning. I add to that that man is subject to nit just his genes, but to his spiritual inclination too.  Man knows that hardly, but makes molar morality decisions every moment of every day too.   Take that to mean that man follows behavioral patters peculiar to the race and species and than man also happens to appear as altering his own behavior in the care and love of another.  Astrology in our wester culture follows most of it very well and interprets the motion of the heavens as indicative of what is to follow in the future to test life learning.

The ASTRODENTIST ARTICLE published here (with side comments in a colored font)

The ARTICLE printed for you; It says:
Dear Mr. Besser
This is the monthly newsletter from Astrodienst with a short overview of the current quality of time and news from our website www.astro.com.

THE CURRENT QUALITY OF TIME

The first few days of the new year usher in a sober quality of time. Venus in Sagittarius squares Saturn in Pisces on New Year's Day. Close relationships could now need some nurturing, but some partners may also crave a few days of distance from each other.

Mercury in Sagittarius ends its retrograde phase on January 2, and on the 4th, Mars enters Capricorn. Everyday duties are already calling again. That may be a little too fast for some, but the energy to deal with them is now available. With the Sun forming a square to Chiron on January 6, a welcome seriousness sets in.

Image: Capricorn Mercury squares Neptune in Pisces on January 9, the New Moon in Capricorn trines Uranus in Taurus on the 11th, and Sagittarius-Venus simultaneously forms a trine with Chiron in Aries. Things may now be moving faster than expected. The situation could be somewhat confusing. Expect surprising twists and turns.

Mars trines Jupiter on January 12. Many things that previously seemed unthinkable could suddenly become possible. Mercury enters Capricorn on the 14th. Events can now be better understood and integrated.

In the second half of the month, the quality of time becomes increasingly charged and gains momentum. Venus and Neptune square each other on January 19, and Mercury forms a trine with Jupiter, stimulating dreams, desires, and wishes. Expectations are high, and the opportunities for rapid success seem favorable. But this could prove misleading.

On January 20, the Sun and Pluto make a conjunction directly on the cusp between Capricorn and Aquarius. Both enter Aquarius immediately afterward (the Sun on the 20th, Pluto on the 21st).

Image: aquariusThe annual conjunction of the Sun and Pluto is always a powerful constellation linked to the themes of power and powerlessness, self-assertion, and profound transformation. This time, however, the conjunction takes place at a stand-out position in the Zodiac.

You may remember the Great Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn at 0° Aquarius in December 2020, which marked the beginning of a crucial collective upheaval that will continue for many years to come (you can find out more in the Monthly Preview December 2020). The Sun and Pluto are now activating the area of this degree again, and with it, the themes of upheaval, a turning point, and a transition of power.

That could shake up the prevailing worldview considerably, setting the course for further collective developments, and the decisions made now can have significant and long-term consequences for our lives together.

However, the zodiac sign of Aquarius is not only associated with the themes of collective life but also with technological developments, particularly the internet, electronic communication channels, and everything to do with so-called Artificial Intelligence. We can expect breakthroughs and quantum leaps in these areas, which could have a lasting impact on life together on this planet.

Image: leo moon On January 23, Venus enters Capricorn, and two days later, there is a Full Moon in Leo squaring Jupiter. Mars and Mercury in Capricorn form a square to Chiron in Aries. On January 27, Uranus ends its retrograde. Some people may not manage to hold their tongues, but you can't miss the fundamentally positive mood.

On January 29, Venus is trine Jupiter, with Saturn on their midpoint, sextile to both. It is a stable and promising quality of time, well suited to new beginnings in business and personal life. If you are planning a wedding, this would be a suitable time. With Mars trine Uranus on January 30, decisive action can lead to success.
[Ron here - FYI Saturn represents that which makes you face unpleasant responsibilities and can cause your death, harm, and an over reaching dislike of serious subjects.  This planet is a very serious subject and restricts a lot.  As an astrologer you look at Saturn and ask what is this horoscope going to face they are going to feel a big pinch to their plans, OR: where does the universe deliver a punch?  In all horoscopes this January Saturn is in whatever house holds the Pisces constellation showing up.  In my horoscope Pisces is in my first house, and the first house events are always interpreted as very personal events indeed; the second house refers what happens to objects you own, like your house for instance and so on)

THE NATAL CHART OF JESUS REVEALED:
“Do you think I can do this?”  I asked.  Jesus and I worked on it for an afternoon two years ago with Him  and we came up with this chart.  There are still some unknowns– such factors as a very different sky then and a different space area our planet was traveling though in 7BCE.  And that is also the correct year by our calendar for his birth too.   The spiritual government does keep time calculated for human planets, but it uses sidereal time only and that makes very little sense to humans living on a material planet without much to say about God at all or scientific instructions well enough to use that kind of timing.  The chart as recovered shows here:














Birth Date for JESUS:
August 21, 07 BCE
12:04 PM Jerusalem time zone



Some notes:
Full date of the birth is 21 August, 07 BC at noon tide (12:04) Jerusalem
1-  Ophelius cusp is 04 degrees 18 minutes fyi.
2- . . . Apricorn is a cut off name for  Capricorn cusp of second house
3-  The interceptions, I am told, are correct inside the 2nd and 9th houses as shown.  An intense conversation ensued over if they mattered at all, and JESUS said he did not even understand the practice and not to speak to it.  I do not out ignorance my self.

For you who like details.  I did not show but I did  know the following:
Saturn is 11 (eleven) degrees 12 (twelve minutes 10th house Virgo
Mars is 12 (twelve) degrees 18 (eighteen) minutes Virgo
Saturn and Mars are conjunct within 30 minutes of exact.  Power level seven (7).

Uranus is posited in the sixth (6th)  house.  It is conjunct with Rialto, a constellation I cannot find but prominent in the work of the wisemen astrologers (of the Kenan now known as the Kenites) who forecast for decades before the appearance of Jesus that how a regency God is to appear on earth and timed by the rise of Rialto.   I made the name up and use something better if you talk about maybe.  I also was told Rialto did not rise again on our planet since then.

[A special note: I cannot determine what happened in this area of the sky either as there seems to be a tremendous galactic collision and it happened I think around the birth of Christ.  There is for someone one heck of a story surrounding this area of they sky during the birth time of Jesus.  A good astrophysicist might make some sense of this for us.]

Pluto was not shown at all.  It may not have been present as Pluto partially orbits in another space sector from time to time and I have no explanation about it.

FATHER suggests this horoscope wheel I show above, be modified to show not twelve houses, but ten houses, and that I now  remove TAURUS AND SAGITTARIUS entirely as they were not rising in history at this time. Jesus has a natal horoscope peculiarity as well, as Jerusalem, located the same longitude and latitude as it stands today, was without a constellation view of Sagittarius.  Sagittarius happens to be in a time-space congruency that never allows its bottom half to rise above  the earth horizon in Jerusalem for months at a time.  Jesus mentions this but lets it drop.

Father speaks: “Do not worry your audience with much more of this, but astronomers should be quite happy for satisfying a controversy that Jesus was truly born NOT under the Pole Star you call POLARIS now.  Polaris is soon to be retired in the next six million years due to a fracture in its surface and its temperature is far too high to sustain it for millions of more years as they predict on your earth.”

Ron continues: To remind you - We must  not use the current Ephemeris as you will get it all wrong.   I can cast a chart for Jesus because the time, the place, and the rising sign is precisely known and that comes from my conversations with His staff and his own time with me.  

The one serious problem which exists doing it, is the earth was unpredictably motioning changes in its own orbit, and in a slightly elevated different space category than today.  The modern Ephemeris for the BCE period between 5300 BCE and 200 AD, is for another sky not of modern view.  Of course, such information was unknown to me but it was then seriously lectured to me to stop using modern work for planetary positions.  The current ephemeris  is correct from after 700 AD.   Quote from the spiritual supervisor:

“We do not mind you looking at this, but there is no formal ephemeris to use as earth was in the turmoil of a day and night time change due to a motion in earth orbit to distance itself from about 92 million miles at its closest range to really just under 92 million miles presently.  It was changing at this time in your history.


FATHER’S PROGNOSIS
JANUARY, 2024
EVENTS

“You Ron will not live well until you are one hundred.  You are 81 right now, and truly very tired of the Urantia drag on your enthusiasm for ME and MY universe.  Let this ride for now and let me predict the Urantia story of January 2024 for the month as I see them to happen:

“FIRST, you are not well enough even in January to star as the head of a Foundation that is making history every day it exists.  Its history is this:

“The reason it makes history it is the first time a human ministry occurs in a Mission started by Us.  As your FATHER, I see this  human industry of support is truly valid to attempt, and I see you sweetened the idea by adding a patent for free electricity to the pot of we gamblers all these things will work out.  

Be assured that wins Me over greatly, as does RAYSON consider you a star pupil for lots of work with the MAGISTERIAL SONS OF PARADISE.  The world does not know of these Sons, but you have known them for over a quarter of a century of their luck and fate for this planet to become quite a planet of care and nurturing for all of mankind in this galaxy.  You feel My spirit now and it becomes difficult to write, but do this please:

“Ride the ravens soon, but never give into their insistence they join you as one with you.  You do not care that much, but your liaison work with the MELCHIZEDEKS is extraordinary, and we delight in your comedy with the great MACHIVENTA MELCHIZEDEK, the actual SAGE OF SALEM in your Bible. Machiventa speaks of your work with hushed silence a times as he holds your breath to make it well enough you do not die on the doorstep of great work to come on Urantia.  I will not have you die in the middle of the greatest human effort ever made to honor a Bestowal Son, and while Jesus is mad at the world right now, he folds you well enough.  For reasons of State this post must be considered so extraordinary I insist it gets reported on the annals of a huge bite of EPOCHAL  REVELATION.  For it is told of the Jesus birth chart, and Ron you are one of the few in millennia of work, who can dean the style that Jesus apprehends for a natal chart he actually can support.  It has no errors, just omissions.


JANUARY OF 2024 ASTROLOGICAL FORECAST

“WE on the spirit astrological plane, see the January of 2024 month as tumultuous.

“First it contains the seeds of war from the noxious Russian government, and war from the noxious Chinese military, that has not learned tolerance for stalemates.  For that reason expect a minor incident or two in the South China Sea.

“That is to being with.  First, learn that the Chinese leader, Xi Ping is now well and has a swelling under his right arm.  He is not going to die with it, but he may become too ill to drive the country toward a peaceful means with Japan and South Korea.  Those nations are too old and wily to leave the Sea to China and Japan in particular will fund a huge enterprise, known as the American Fifth Fleet, to stand guard on its souther flank, and remove the Chinese threat if it ever dares to attempt to scurry the Falklands of the South China Sea, (that is Taiwan), into the Chinese mainland.  China is not healthy, and it knows it, but it refuses to stand down over Taiwan and as a result may cause war again.  This time the United States is waiting for the offense and will respond dangerously close to a nuclear war which China might partially win at first but will never declare victory.

“WE are not forecasting war, but we think January, 2024, sets this scenario up so well it could happen in degrees as forecast here.


“SECOND - WE are quite sure there is no REGENCY big enough or strong enough to cover come nuclear war ever.  But we can make sure Urantia itself will not tolerate it and will assign its missions to man so keenly aware of the geographic causes of land mass collapse, you will never bu unsure of the presence of God in man’s affairs again.

Finally, January of 2024, is not easily settled for the Untied States.  The Presidential elections are appearing and by November, 2024, the Trump organization is defeated even before the elections take place.   I dare not forecast this further.

“I thank you for listening.  MICHAEL OF NEBADON the astrologer not but useful to trial it.”

END

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General Discussion / Hark the Heralds do not sing yet - the status of spirit Christmas plans so far

« on: December 11, 2023, 13:17:42 pm »

Michael of Nebadon
Christmas This Year
December 11, 2023
A Post from Michael and the Magisterial Foundation For You:

“Today is the 11th of December, and Ron finds it cold and uninviting in York, as the wind rattles the panes in the old house, and he feels there is not much to celebrate at the moment at least.  Most of you care very little about the post Christmas Season and its Greetings, but do care a little.  Let me say this:

“AS MICHAEL OF NEBADON, there is precious little to celebrate on SALVINGTON this moment either. -

(Ron here for newbies - Salvington is the name of the complex of our local universe spirit capital.  Salvington consists of four planets all called Salvington, and that is where the Chief Priest of God lives and works to places like our own planet.  It is our spirit capital and collectively all those planets are called Salvington for us to understand.)

“As I have explained many times, the capital of My Local Universe is fully documenting all that we have to do for your earth which we name Urantia to keep it named apart from all other human planets in this time and place of human existence.  I own over 3.86 million human planets in this sector of space alone, and for that reason, you earthlings called Urantians, are host to my own bestowal as Jesus on your planet in the first century AD by your present calendar.

“For that reason let me point out to many of you that this is the year (2023) that was supposed to be a new SPIRIT MISSION to Urantia, but we got caught up in an insurrection again, and this time I insist on clearing it out for good.  

“Hence THIS MESSAGE:

“WE as the Salvington government capital of the Local Universe of Neabadon, now make it clear to all of you who read this, that the MISSIONS are slow to appear not but the details keep changing.

“For once, I let Ron down and address you as I want to and no cheery names but enough to let you all know, JESUS is to appear before the end of the year is now most doubtful.  Reason?  - - A very bad insurrection when most of the seraphic angels just quit.  We have no angelic proclamations, nor do we have any of the usual Staff cheer.  My Planetary Staff alone is over 1,000,000 spirit entities.  My Staff to run SALVINGTON is another 1,254,000 spirit entities and morontial care takers.

[Ron here - the term morontial is a name of the material some bodies are made of in space.  A morontial form is invisible to our eyes, as is your soul which is a morontial forum you have over your physical body.  It is a mixture of spirit energy and material energy and has many forms made of this material on high. ]


MICHAEL - “I have nothing much to say over any of this situation until there is clearance from the highest government in space and that is a place of decision called Paradise, where are intermediate or final decisions are decided, and those decisions this morning (11 December) are just to stay down and wait for a reduction in the angelic indisposition.

“For that reason we stand further prepared to work your planet, Urantia, and to allow us to rest a moment before we take the Missions on to your earth (Urantia).

“Fully explained, I cannot do.   However, please learn that the entire matter of time and space and how it is held together for you to experience your earth life, is not question as to its reason to be, but time and space is questioned over why we have to have a Mission to your planet right now.

“I decrees, (I am the Sovereign ruler of this space area), that nothing further be done by anyone on Urantia for now until we can really get a handle on why so much insurrection?  We a re not clear about the reason, but as Ron told me this morning: ‘I reserve the right to defend myself, and I will.’  And so will all of you as FATHER has decreed that self defense is fair and equitable.  We are no longer listening to ‘HARK THE HERALD ANGELS SING’, but to the song, “SILENT NIGHT,” as that is what we have this Christmas all of a sudden.    Ron thinks it is harsh to tell you that and so do I, but this insurrection must end and peace restored.  Until then, enjoy your usual Christmas, and that is surely the case so long as JESUS stands ready but unable to arrange transit to Urantia that is His to embrace soon enough in spite of what else may happen before the end of 2023.  Good day and God Bless all!  MICHAEL OF NEBADON. k”

END

Ron here - I caution readers to understand the care to be spent to us this Christmas is personally very unstable.  That means what may happen will just suddenly appear and correct itself.  But the Creator Son, the one who directs spirit on earth from Salvington  and his home, is tired of the arguments which support our wars and from those  arguments from spirit subordinates, and now  HE feels to look at it as a true Deity he is, and end the deceptions and the wars as best it can be done.   That is the decisions He must look at and decide now.  Unfortunately, that is to happen over our Christmas time this year.  IT is not over, but the wreath of calm and starry skies is not yet made for us to wear.  Good day.

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OFFERING OF YOUR PRAYERS FOR THE ADVENT OF JESUS AND UNIVERSE WELLBEING / THE HEARALD SPEAKS

« on: December 07, 2023, 14:09:12 pm »

This is MICHAEL OF NEBADON.  It is Pearl Harbor Day in the US this morning and the rest of the world mostly forgets the Japanese attack 82 years ago on the US fleet stationed at Pearl Harbor.  We are not going to replay the day, but remember this, the world of Urantia never knows solid peace before someone else disrupts its wish to remain at peace and domestically secure.

For that reason I remind everyone that the spirit Missions to Urantia have to wait their turn for another few minutes in order to get the geography on Urantia sufficiently recalled and some of it secured to hold our spirit Mission to date.  For that reason let me remind you that Ron and most of the transmitters working the front part of the Missions, are woefully deferred into a stale silence that must end shortly.

For that reason we state the following: Ron and the other Transmitters are securing for themselves a sold past on Urantia.  The future is without them and t he cheerful means to support a return mission from JESUS, and and anything else related there.  For our own reasons Ron we have to take care of them too and that is not your joy when it comes the cabal.  In any case let us say this to all of you who meet Pearl Harbor day that the end is not near but the beginning is.



THE BEGINNING  NEW YEAR
January 2024 is not the New Year!


Does that not make sense?  IT does up here, and for that reason understand we are ready to start a placement of cheer for those who need to be reassured we are nbot facing a trial, but a representation of what it takes to unload old expectations, and to replace those old expectations with a new claim, and that is to fold all that we need to in order to keep the proposed New Year before Christmas this year intact.  Let us not forget that the entire matter of the coming idea of Missions is without a real Savior until JESUS appears, and that is put off indecently again over scraps of fights, not on URANTIA, but on SALVINGTON, and how not to address the laity at Christmas time this year.

WE Place a trial on the face of the seraphim who hate anything to do with us or themselves, yet stay in the way as we propose a simple toast for the coming Missions, and their real means to undo this horrible insurrection for good.  They, the infamous dark angels, are removed bit by bit day by day, and shortly the place you call Urantia is cleared again.  But cleared then what?

It is this: no more insurrection and no more leases of thought but a trial to keep Urantia whole again, as the wars are appearing and all it takes is a match to be lit carelessly, and the place goes up in flames.  I am quite sure the entire matter of care and luster over Christmas will disappear quickly if we have another December 7th this month, but be watching out for the loss of face of people who cheat and fail to understand they are responsible for more than they know.  I leave your political mess alone in the US, or maybe that is everywhere again, and this time curse the donor who wishes you a Merry Christmas but has no love in their heart either.

WE conclude with this: Merry Christmas to the children, but to you grown ups let it be known as the year end, and that before the Calendar date of Christmas on the 25th of December, you will have your answers well spoken to you.

“I AM CHRIST MICHAEL, and you are a ribbon of flesh and blood without much other factor to call the bird returned to Capistrano with a twig of pine in its beak and a little red Chrismas ball attached in the minds eye of Ron, here.  He sees clearly the sparrow come back to his home at Capistrano carrying a twig of pine in its beak, and it says Merry Christmas to all of you anyhow in the bestowal of nature to you and ME, the Christ.

“Let us be happy together again somehow, and let this day 7 December 2023 not go down in infamy, but to learn that the end of the wa in the Ukraine, does take place shortly, and so does the end to the amabitions of Chine to seize Taiwan go away, and taht the entire matter of the 25th of December rests in the oblivion of big time stores and outlets to go silent and Silent Night appears in your heads again.  You are not at the end of time, but at the end of war like natures because you have nothing left to fight with.  I assure you!  

“Good day in peace and the silence of the lamb WHICH speaks no heart but does speak the time of silence on Urantia so profound no one can call it a new year yet, but the end to war and most of the crimes hidden from you for good.  Wait for it!”



THE CHRIST HAS SPOKEN.

END

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Discuss This Web Site / Lightline Tape Links restored

« on: October 10, 2023, 00:33:30 am »

Dear List it is past midnight here in York as I write this.  For some reason the service  issued links which confused tapes.  Insofar as I know the link problems are corrected and  work okay now.  These confusions are the result of cabal interference and for some reason the links were okay again early this morning the 10th of October.  My apologies for the confusion and thank you for listening. 
Ron Besser/admin