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General Discussion / Re: Antichrist
« on: February 17, 2025, 16:36:18 pm »
I agree that putting his hand on the bible, or not doing so; while interesting doesn't really tell us much of anything about why he didn't. But Dominick, you state that people voted for him due to concerns about globalism.

I thought The Urantia Book tells us we need to be working towards world government which seems to be what globalism could be directing us towards. To confirm I checked with the two ai bots that focus on The Urantia Book and asked 'is globalism good or bad'.  Both websites gave nuanced answers which is to be expected from such a question. The answer from Yoam.life, which is still in the testing phase, was quite thorough and lengthy. AskJesus.chatbot.com gave a shorter answer of:

 "Your question about globalism touches on important themes of unity, peace, and the brotherhood of humanity, which are central to my teachings.
In the context of the Urantia Book, globalism can be seen as a step towards realizing a world where nations work together for the common good of all people. It emphasizes the idea that we are all part of one human family, and that cooperation among nations can lead to lasting peace and understanding.
However, it is essential to approach globalism with love and respect for individual cultures and identities. The goal should be to foster a sense of unity without losing the richness that diversity brings to our world. True globalism promotes goodwill, compassion, and the sharing of resources, ensuring that all individuals can thrive together.
In summary, globalism, when rooted in love and brotherhood, can be a positive force for humanity, helping us to overcome the divisions that often lead to conflict. It is a call to recognize our shared humanity and to work together for a peaceful and harmonious world."

My question is what do others of you think? Is globalism good or bad?

Raz

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US PATENT ISSUED TO BROADCAST ELECTRICITY / TM archive search for zero as a way to find old WTP related transmissions
« on: February 06, 2025, 14:24:38 pm »
Many of you WTP fans may already know this but there are some old transmissions which relate to WTP that you may find by entering 'zero' into the TM archive search query. This results with 91 transmissions many of which are not of interest, but several dozen are. For some reason the phrase search for 'zero point' says there are 60 some results but they don't all populate. Just entering 'zero' should bring them all up for you.

Raz

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AUDIO TAPE Links - Comments - Schedule inside / Re: Sunday 02.02.25 Call Recorded
« on: February 05, 2025, 11:32:14 am »
Dominick if you have a date when you know that TM archives will no longer be available that would be good for me to know.  Ron had asked that I archive all Urantia Book-related websites and I have been working on doing that. Having said that I am no computer geek and I am not even sure what I am doing is the proper way to do it so I'd appreciate guidance anyone wants to give. 

As for the individual transmissions from the Teaching Mission they are available at Daynal and are better organized there than on Serara Forum. Pjammer if you use the second link you posted which lands you on the Nordan Symposia main page and then click on Primary Corpus at the top of the list near the bottom of that page it will bring you to a page with a big long list and at the almost bottom of that list is - The Teaching Mission-Dialogues. If you click on that link you will get another page and at the almost top is a link that says "Here". Clicking that will bring you to the nearly 12,000 pages of transmissions from the Teaching Mission. Nordan is really a more superior organized site once you learn how to find your way around it. 

I started at the beginning of The Teaching Mission and am creating a spreadsheet by date of the transmissions for each year. I am only up to 1999. I would guess that there should be a way for me to access the last 20-some years once you shut down this website, Dominick, but I don't know if that is possible or how it could be done. 

In any regards I estimate that the large majority of the transmissions which are on TM archives are also on Daynal and usually they are identical when looked at closely. Having said that there are as many as ten percent that are a bit differently recorded with either a different date, location, or TR. Daynal will often have a TR listed where TM has unknown and similarly for location or vice versa. There is also a small percentage of less than 1-2 % that appear to only be on TM archives and a larger percentage of about 5% that are only on Daynal. They both have errors and sometimes have different celestials speaking or a different title. Both sites also have duplicate posts of the same transmission differently edited or only partially presented.  There are half a dozen other sites online which have many of these transmissions as well plus hundreds more transmissions that TM doesn't have but Daynal may or may not. I haven't gotten that far in my comparisons.  
Raz
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AUDIO TAPE Links - Comments - Schedule inside / Re: Sun LL 11.17.24 Identity& Author Attribution. OUG (original universe governance)
« on: December 06, 2024, 12:53:27 pm »

Dominick  
Welcome everyone. We just pressed record. That was George Huber coming in. Welcome George. Happy Sunday. Today is November 17, 2024, the Lightlines will take a holiday sabbatical. We've talked with other transmitters, namely Elise and myself, and this will be the last week of Lightlines until the, I'm thinking, I'm thinking out loud here, probably the third week of January. So check into the forum for impromptu recorded transmissions that might come or may come.

And this allows, why is it happening? Well, since there's not that much in the transmission circuits right now, and given the situation, myself and Elise, we're not speaking for others, but we need time to recharge. We need to collect ourselves. I'm not speaking for Elise, but for me, I have too much on my plate, and that includes all this election stuff, things that are going on in the world, and then right in my front door, with this transition with Ron, helping out there, where I'm just a little burned out, and I'm taking a little, I seem to be in three worlds, three or four worlds at the same time, so I'm trying to strike a balance, and it's not conducive for receiving.

That being said, we do gather here today and we thank our Father, we thank our Lord Jesus Christ and Michael of Nebadon, they are one and the same, and we thank some of the gifts we have in revelation, and we hope that these Lightlines and programs still serve a good function for the spiritual thirst of not only our small dedicated group but that larger association and cooperation with others bears spiritual fruits in the will of our Father. So let's just spend a, take a deep breath, and center ourselves in that. 

And with that, the stuff I've received in the last, say, 24 hours leading up to this meeting today is that there will be, just like what's happening in the world with the elections, there will be a transition going on during this time period that we just talked about. So what's that going to entail? Well, it entails a change, certainly, obviously, the most immediate one is that Ron Bessor's not transmitting right now. He's recovering medically from the stroke, and so he is in his own personal circuit, so to speak, and not in the public service of the Father or Michael or any Melchizedeks for the Lightlines. There could be a review of the 5th epochal revelation, and this will do with what I'm calling the eventual whether Ron is alive in the near future or not.

When we do cooperate with groups out there, there will be a reckoning in terms of whether other groups intend to cooperate or not with the reckoning of the events of 2019 transmitted or received by Ron Bessor that involved the Supreme suicide and the Mother Spirit being affected by that to the point where She was implicated on what I can't even remember at this moment in time. But two things are coming out of where I'm going with this; one is more simple and straightforward. The answer to these questions, which I'm calling a Vatican two type of reckoning, in terms of if we cooperate with other groups, it's clear they're not going to consider those events by the supreme and they're relegated to fiction, whereas some of us have taken on an attitude of trying to discern whether that was real or not, and the jury is, frankly, still out. I don't think it'll be resolved.

And I think part of doing moving on, and these are kind of the two worlds I'm left to be in. Is that moving on, it would be unwise to try to convince what I'm not even convinced of myself. So this, this is a wait and see, and it's a to be determined. And I think there should be a commission put together. Jose, for example, you like to look into the archives or weydevu, you like to look into the archives, and I would appreciate people looking into the archives and determining the source of that, of those types of transmissions.

So that's a segue into the source of the transmissions. When you look at the fifth epochal revelation called The Urantia Book, it's very important to look at the author attributions and then understand who those personalities are, and those entities are. When I transmit and refer to something called, for example, original universe government. Original universe government starts with the original recorded personalities of time and space, and those are the Ancients of Days. When the Ancients of Days speak and act or are represented in the realms of time and space. Those are done through Divine Counselors, Perfectors of Wisdom, and Universal Censors. When they collectively rule, they rule for the Ancients of Days but they are the, for all intents and purposes, the personification of the Ancients of Days, and they're mostly the providers of the entire revelation of paper one.

Even further, for example, you have the Universal Censors. When they speak, there is no appeal to what they determine and what they say. For that matter, be very cognizant, be very aware of what they authored in The Urantia Book, and for that, they are part of the paradise Trinity in paper 10, The Seven Superuniverses in paper 15, and also paper 16, the Seven Master Spirits. I'm looking at the table of contents. And then finally, the Universe Power Directors in paper, 29.

It sounds like we've, I think we have a new sound for people coming and going. So if that sound happens again, I guess that's our that's our new entry and exit chime. So you don't need to pay attention to that, but we'll probably hear it again. Let's see.

For paper, so part two, so where am I going with this? What I received was that, you would do yourself a favor, and we would all do ourselves a favor if we were to, begin to shift our identities away from The Urantia Book and more into the attributions of the authors who wrote the book. This is in no way denigrating The Urantia Book or changing it, but if you meet any group, we're dedicated to the teachings and the spirit of the book, they can't get out of the identity of the book. The identity of any association or group is, I'm a Urantia Book reader, we're a Urantia Book group, and so on. It makes it difficult, just like any other religion who identifies with their primal source or teacher, if you're Islam, it's the Quran, and then the various sects of Christianity, in the Bible, and so on.

So what I received was that a simple exercise is when you catch yourself being conditioned to say The Urantia Book says x, y z, you should strive to delve one step deeper and try to be more specific that when you say The Urantia Book says x y z, do the little bit of extra work to know whereof you speak, ie, which section of the book, and therefore, which author. When you speak of God and say part one; those are very important aspects of the Revelation, and they're probably the most authoritative, and that's probably something that really helps to tie things together. And the future of the revelation will be taken by younger people who are capable of assimilating this complex information for us older folks, and us older folks can do a job producing materials based off of this revelation that are more, make it easily ingestible for people to look at. This is so simple.

It's things like there are so many methods of relaying complex taxonomies of things like these universe beings, you have no idea how kids have been raised now with complex games and entire universes that are even more complex than this book of a revelation, of its parts. So part of the identity is going to shift in the future, and this is part of the seismic shift that's going on in the world. So identity will begin to shift for for you as soon as you begin the simple exercise of author and entity and personality attribution to the paper rather than the, I don't know if it's fair to call It lazy, but it's an autumn, it's a human tendency to sum it all up and then eventually that tendency turns into an identity and then the identity takes on a life of its own, and then you get eventually into the profane politics of mankind.

And on that note, the profane politics of men who do deal with governance and we are in epochs of insurrection and rebellion, and this is no different in these times of governance and insurrection. I'm so sick of hearing people talk. I'm amazed you all even come here and attend this to hear me talk. I assume it's because a lot of you aren't so inundated with media. Because what I've heard is that people over 50 years old are the only ones listening to legacy media anymore. So maybe you don't share what I have because I take from so many different sources, I'm tired of hearing people react to sources upon sources, reacting to sources, and you can't even tell what's what. Thank you for listening, and thank you for being here and even listening to these things.

So coming out of that, I need to reiterate. We need to hear, we need a commission to audit the revelations and transmissions alleging the status of the Supreme. From there, we'll take an appeal, we'll make an appeal to our spiritual authorities to validate that or not, and we should do that before we seek to integrate with other groups who will not cooperate with us unless they feel comfortable resolving these things. It's hard enough dealing with groups that don't deal with transmission, and that's why it was important to get last weeks out, even though that wasn't a transmission, there needs to be an audit about what the pool of transmitters are able to accomplish now, similar to what we were talking about, even a couple weeks ago, a lot of transmissions over the lifetime of years take on a potential, and when you learn about the Supreme, really, the Supreme is another word for what time and space are providing us, and that is potentials turned into actuals.

When we are on a personal evolution of attainment then attains a new personal realization of God. Then does the universe change in augmenting even deity. This is in the Revelation. In other words, your experiential attainment of God with new and more advanced meanings in experiential attainment contributes not only to yourself but the universe and that is not an end in and of itself, but that you also take that experience and turn that into actuals, and the actuals are born in the fruits of loving your fellow man and woman and serving them, but also serving what you do in life with a healthier attitude that any contribution you make is a contribution to the actuality of time and space, rather than a fruitless effort of deterministic, materialistic fate of returning to dust. Let's see, I'll end with the only other actual authors that I could tell off looking at this by name, Malavatia Melchizedek, Manovandet man o van det spelled, man o van det so it sounds, phonetically sounds Melchizedek, and Machiventa. All the rest were part of the Melchizedek corps of Nebadon.

Weydevue, I don't know why I'm thinking of you, but you always ask these types of questions. If you go back and look at the Lucifer rebellion consequences on this planet, about when the circuits were cut off, there were superhumans left on this planet, cut out from the circuits. But it's an amazing loophole you have, even on the planetary receivership an advisory board that entails an Evening Star from Avalon, some of these things we forget. It helps to be reminded of how fascinating these narratives are in these papers. This is going back to the fundamentals. You can rest assured that paper or Part One of the revelation comes from the highest sources in the universes of original universe government dealing from the entities that represent and are of the personal representation of the Ancients of Days out in the realms of time and space, Universal Censors, Divine Counselors and Perfectors of Wisdom, and then that when they gather in a Council of Nine to bring a judgment, that judgment has never been appealed or altered, and it is for all intents and purposes, speaking of the Ancients of Days.

Our fate, our ascension plan for those with distinguished service, which is possible in this type of realm that we in, that suffers rebellion, we have a very good opportunity to not only have these realizations, but also to begin to act upon these and turn those realizations from potential into actual, and with such distinctions, even in the attempt you regardless of if you fail in your own personal assessment, the attempt is probably worth it, because the attempt begins the registry of your ascension path into the potential right then and there of becoming a Mighty Messenger, One Without Name and Number, or One in High Authority. And those are just a different tier of ascended pilgrims of time and space that would serve in this greater superuniverse on your way to the Father on Paradise, and you might have distinguished service afterwards, and serve on those commissions with Divine Counselors, Universal Censors, and Perfectors of Wisdom. And this is also the case in part one, where on some occasions, we have a Mighty Messenger authoring the paper, and One Without Name and Number, together with a Divine Counselor on paper 31 which kind of discusses what I'm talking about in our eventual universe service in a corps of finality.

So I think that's all I have to provide. There are so many things going on in the world, looking at, I'm just going to go down a bullet list of potpourri things. Now you can raise your hand by pressing five star and asking a question about some significant things that were just relayed. So feel free to do that, and while I'm looking at the dashboard, I'll just share some thoughts and review on some current events. Trust me, it's not going to go into the elections right now.

But if you look at some past Lightlines, ones that I gave, I think there was one called one about psychopathy. And if you're following things like that, and where does that manifest in the world? And you look at societies and cultures and civilizations, there is a an emergency of psychopathy going on in, say, countries like China, which try to suppress what's going on, but that's a good social studies case where there is no religion whatsoever for the population, and they've been indoctrinated, much like our fiction novel that says something like 1984 where the state is God, and God exerts absolute authority over your life, day to day, moment to moment, and the only social net that you have outside of the state to help you is your own family. So if you have no family or bad family relations and you're ostracized from that network, you have nothing to fall back on. You are a total slave to the state.

And what that lesson on psychopathy stated was that in such social conditions, the human will turn psychopathic, and in one last creative act of irony, aimed to destroy as much be destructive and one last violent creative act before it defies the state, and you have what's called murder season in places like China now, where people are saying, we're basically rebelling against this authoritarian State and then doing things like running people over in mass, and then what they're doing is filming it because of all the social media attributes or capabilities. It immediately gets censored, but enough of it gets out that if you look for it, you can find what's going in places like that. So these things are not just associated with the West, but propaganda makes it sound like the West is the only place on Earth that experiences these things and is bad. It's totally not the case. It's probably worse in a lot of other countries, China being one of them, because they have no God, they have no economy, and they only have a state which has let them down. And people are murdering people before they murder themselves in mass. And one of the most destructive things you can do in an act of rebellion is also murder children, and so that's also an aspect that they're doing.

So let's, we're heading into this Thanksgiving season, let's appreciate the fact that we have religion still and the freedom to do that in these countries that we live in and join ourselves from on this call. So thank you. There's no questions at this time, but I can open it up off the record. Thank you for listening, and hopefully we get a transcript of this so that people can contribute to what called the action we said at the beginning, which was a full audit of the Supreme and Mother Spirit status so that we can move forward. Nothing of this nature will impact the fact that this Foundation exists for the explicit purpose of helping the missions that are slated and ongoing on this planet to resolve its rebellion status and put it back into the fold of our Lord's governance. Amen.

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AUDIO TAPE Links - Comments - Schedule inside / Re: Sunday LL 11.10.24 No Circuits Transmitting
« on: December 05, 2024, 19:37:47 pm »

Dominick  
Hi, welcome everybody. It's November 10, 2024, and today is a resumption of the what's been called Lightline schedule on kind of a program provided by people with the Magisterial Foundation. Now, over the past course of say, this month with Ron Besser's, situation in particular, I've had to explain to people like his, like his closest family members who don't understand what he's in, what he's established, or what he's involved in, and things like this. And that's a very good lesson to have. Obviously, you need to be able to explain things to people who don't or aren't familiar with anything in the simplest of terms, so that they understand. And the Magisterial Foundation in the simplest of terms, is about our Father's business.

And whether that's if it's got sloganized can turn into about the Father's business, that's probably a matter of preference, or who you might be talking to in the context, but it's, the Foundation, is primarily about the Father's business. And so the who of that, the Father. is the Universal Father, the First Source and Center for those who don't like familiar, familial pronouns, and the who is also the, you could say the man and the divinity of Jesus. And so we label, or we discuss the who of Jesus many times in as we address the divine Son of man and the or the divine Son of Man, someone raise their hand and correct me if I mix these up, but the human man was Jesus, is Jesus and the divine Son. the Divinity, is someone we refer to as who that Son of God was before he lived his life as Jesus here, and we call him by the title, Michael of Nebadon.

So someone like George Huber is on the call today, who, I think you're kind of new to this vernacular, but that's the who is, what we call Michael of Nebadon, by the you could say the alternate other name of Jesus because that's who Jesus was before he was a living life as Jesus on earth. He was Michael of Nebadon, and then he resumed his seat with the Father. Now the so that moving on, one thing we want to do is understand about the Magisterial Foundation and these programs is it's kind of an extension of something with roots back in the era, earliest, early century of the 20th century, when The Urantia Book was in its prepublication date, all the way back in decades before, and that was part of the the forum and the Sadler commission.

And the interesting thing was, I was at, I was at the Foundation, which happens to be Ron's house, you know, just yesterday, I think. And one of the books in the library is, is the Mind at Mischief, by Dr Sadler. And that's really a canon back in the day. It's underappreciated today, as Freud and Jung are the household names you could say of the era, whereas Sadler delved into the much more of the religious and paranormal spiritualism and came up with some very good insights for psychoanalysis that was going on in the founding of psychology back in the day.

So for anyone, for example, Lina, if you're trying transmitting, and anyone encouraged to try transmitting, really, one of today's themes is go back to the fundamentals. And to do that, you should probably be willing to examine all sorts of things, not necessarily starting with that book, but if you could do things like that, you can find that book online, like in a PDF, and it's called the Mind at Mischief by Dr William Sadler. And I think one of the main takeaways for that is that there's a lot of explanation for the phenomenon of transmitting that might come from the human mind and that some of it that comes through is not fully the human mind, and when it does, and I think this is Sadler's thesis, is that when it does, it always comes consistently from a higher power.

Now, the who of that higher power is very important, especially when you look back in the early days of the epoch I'm talking about the history, and even up to today, it's a little bit less so when people are very concerned about who and that is, is it coming from our Father, ultimately, and Jesus, or is it coming from the devil and demons and whatnot rebels. So the who is very important. And so when you're transmitting, and certainly publicly in a venue like this, and privately, you should always be very careful and deliberate and intentional on the who you are serving and connecting with and receiving from and worshiping and praying to. And so that's kind of a prerequisite.

And a secondary prerequisite would be not necessarily totally required, but it would be helpful to understand the fundamentals of something like the 5th epochal revelation, which will do nothing but help and augment any previous understanding you might have, and certainly does not aim to replace or fundamentally alter the truth about God and your relationship with him and the hers of the universe of spirit and deity and the myriad of spiritual administration that originates from the Paradise Trinity. And lastly, that would, if you look at it in modern times, that also extends to the subject of ETs, you could say too.

And on that note, I might go a little over, around the subjects but I've got a lot on my palette today. But to this extent, also, we are still going on a no circuits are open at this time, so there's no transmitting coming through. The circuits are closed to this type of past transmission until things get settled. But that doesn't mean things like the missions that we expected to happen like they were described throughout the years. That's no longer the case. But it doesn't mean the missions aren't underway. It just means that human involvement is not, is not really part of this equation right now.

So to continue, I'll just go. George Huber pointed me last week to Christopher Langan, and I saw some of his interviews, George and summarized: that's the kind of person ideally we would want on the board here at the foundation, just as a as an archetype of a type of person. And I think some of the things he talked about, and that's again, for those unfamiliar, apparently, he's got lots of interviews out there, Christopher Langan. But one thing I found interesting was that he came up through his own search and understanding the concept of what The Urantia Book calls the spirit economy. So when he was asked about, say, like capitalism, I think, or how the economies run on earth, he had come to the conclusion that there's some truth behind the way economies work on Earth, but that ultimately, and then, I can't paraphrase how even described it, but to me, it described what The Urantia Book describes as the spirit, or spiritual economy. So that's someplace you can you can find for an example of maybe different labels, but the same kind of concept.

Let's see back to well, let's start with something that might be more akin to what Geoffrey was speaking about not to directly related at the beginning of this light line, if you came in late, we had talked about some of the election stuff. Now, if you're, if you're going to be thinking about transmitting, not not only should you be thinking about the fundamentals, but you probably go through eventually things related to government programs, because eventually you you have to get down to the business or the understanding that there was war In Heaven, and does that mean that there is war in heaven? And what's the status of that conflict in heaven? And you're going to get, in general, when you are religious, you're going to have world beliefs that go into these things.

So you're you, you should look into things and come up to some understanding of some of these fundamentals, that if you're doing this in modern times, you're going to be having to look at things like is government totally transparent? Is it serving the people? Why are there different ideologies in the world? And that's just for starters. And then eventually you find out that there are factions beneath factions, beneath factions. But ultimately, who do they all serve, and to what end? So religious people understand this in pretty plain terms, the ultimate conflict is that it's the war in heaven. And to that respect, I thought Christopher Langan got everything more or less on par with where the status quo is at, except one thing, I thought he was in error, and that is the kind of duality of Lucifer and God. That Lucifer, he's included being an angel of light, was somehow necessary, like a duality there, and that the service of such malevolence served to help us experience and know what is good.

Now the, I don't know how this differs from, say, the biblical perspectives, but I think fundamentally The Urantia Book revelation, and that revelation would be coming not from a book, but the who is the authors, and when we talk about missions, those authors are primarily Archangels and Melchizedeks. Okay, so when you talk about the who, oftentimes you're talking about authors attributed to Archangels and Melchizedeks or subofficers, you could say subadministrators that are commissioned by either Archangels or Melchizedeks.

But those authors or those teachers or commissioners of Revelation, in that book, called The Urantia Book, would say that, fundamentally, Lucifer is not necessary. He's a rebel. He is not part of that kind of necessary duality. That duality is because of free will and the finiteness of time and space created an inherent choice that leads to evil, and evil is sometimes the aspect of error and the fact that we're not all-knowing of everything, and that sometimes evil is augmented by sin, like knowing what's good but doing what's self-serving and evil anyway, like the intentional knowing of doing evil would be sinful, but that Lucifer turned iniquitous and that is not necessary in the universe. In fact, it's suicidal to the beings and entities that are iniquitous. So that's how it differs from say, where those statements, by Langan's understanding, might come through.

So I think that covers the status quo of say, Lightlines and transmitting and missions. So the rest is rather, rather open, but I still have some material to cover in terms of what will have seem to be coming across the message board with the elections and what's previously come on the message board of this week. So let's start with AI in that thread, and back to the fundamentals. World War Two is really, I don't know if that's the right word, seminal, but it's a pivotal era in, say, the leading up to the what we call the adjudication of rebellion, which allegedly happened in around 1986 in some capacity of judgment on Lucifer and his chief lieutenants in personality annihilation, but that the rebellion itself has not been fully adjudicated on planets. And so our planet is no is not resolved of this yet, and therefore neither is the entire system of planets that went along with this.

So anyway, back to AI. So where does AI come from? And roughly it comes from the computing innovations of World War Two, of computers being invented to break codes. Alan Turing comes to mind, and also the calculations got a lot better processing. I think calculators, for example, were invented because the scientists needed to come up with a better calculating mechanism to determine how to shoot down aircraft from anti-aircraft guns. And that led to the basic understanding that you've got to lead the plane. You can't shoot at the plane. You've got to lead it.

But it seems so obvious today, but they literally had to come up with the calculator, kind of in order to do that. Similarly, computers happened at that time. The internet happened in the 1990s, probably was incubated in the 80s or earlier before that. I think it was. And all of this comes from allegedly DARPA, the secret arm of the military innovation to do this stuff. It's social media in the 2010s, global communications, like satellite phones, were starting to happen completely, or in the 2000s I skipped around some decades there, and then you had big data, which is the collection of all data points, and then I think probably to process that big data we've come up with with AI, and now it's being presented to us as something beneficial.

And certainly, it is, my take on it is that you can use it to establish a good framework from which to start from, rather than having to develop that framework and then go off of it. But to take it as truth value is an error and a mistake. So just my take on a server's thread there is that they're making a, to ascribe it to divinity, it's frustrating to even respond to because that assertion based on the fruits of its output is clearly Luciferian, and that it doesn't attribute to any of the who's it doesn't contribute to any of the fundamentals that God reveals about the origins of will, the origins of personality, and the origins of deity. Instead, the AI constantly comes up with self-reference to unsolvable problems that humans have.

One is this latest Google, there's a Google interview going on even this week in parallel if you want to know what I'm talking about. But you can't just talk about processing power in the search for knowledge and intelligence. That's clearly Luciferian if you know the fundamentals. So again, it's not a debate. You've got to know your fundamentals if you want to approach these things on the forum. If we're going to get any good things about it and stop worrying about stepping on people's toes. Occerpa is not going to get any better if you don't call it out. So we don't learn if there's not some semblance of emotion and conflict in the engagement. And that's one of the reasons people forget things in the first place, that if there's there's nothing that helps register it in the brain it goes in one ear and out the other.

That'll lead us to, I guess, another segue of brotherhood, and that if we aren't able to walk in someone else's shoes and understand their current point of view and experience, then we don't have the foundation of brotherhood. And one thing that went along, certainly in my observation in this election cycle, was that people are no longer able to or willing to even recognize what the opposing viewpoints are even coming from. Or can illustrate, elucidate, and communicate; this is like basic conflict resolution, even in like spousal marriage counseling, but if you can't say back to the other person or party what it is that they think that they're saying, and then you describe that back to them, you've got no basis for a democracy, let alone a civil conversation, etc, etc, and to talk about Nazis, misogyny, and basically everything coming out of MSNBC, which I've been watching with Ron religiously for three years or since I've been here, that's where I'm coming from.

It's because and hear me out. You don't have to agree with me, and I'll try to balance it out later on, is that those types of talking points and rhetoric clearly aren't, you know, the side that elected Trump is clearly not talking in those terms. And if you can't, if you can't recognize what happened and why that happened; so if you're asking yourself, how did this happen, and you don't understand why it happened, and your concept of why it happened is you come up with these very extreme talking points that have been bludgeoned into you through mass media then and you're willing to delve into conspiracy, then maybe what, so what Geoffrey is talking about, I suppose, is you're willing to go into a conspiracy that takes us back to globalists.

And I'm willing to go there with you so but maybe we don't agree, or we're not coming from the same place, but these are back to some of the fundamentals in modern times that this election for all of us who are in this type of environment, we're taking into account things that the government apparently have been interested in in doing to this democracy for generations now. And this would be going back to World War Two again, where Eisenhower warned us of things, Kennedy warned us of things, you know you had, then you had Nixon Johnson, Gerald Ford, and then you had maybe one of our first outsiders, Jimmy Carter, and we saw how an outsider in Washington, DC doesn't do so well.

But anyway, what we're getting at is things like and you should not be transmitting at face value without understanding some of these things too. Its Project Mockingbird, M K Ultra, Project Blue Beam or Blue Book and you could say CIA influence in Hollywood, and music, for that reason, going back to the fundamentals, is kind of one of the themes of today's Lightline. And really it's just absolutely fascinating to go back to Sadler's writings if you're a fan of, say, those eras like and of pre-World War Two and World War Two, whatever it is, The Urantia Book movement is totally allergic to talking about those types of things, because they're going with the zeitgeist of the times of being woke and not willing to talk about race.

Ironically, if you look at the Sadler writings, and you just plainly understand how they were talking about things like that, and what context that those things are very relevant to today. And one of the things was a book by Sadler talking about the Germans and the Prussians. And this also goes back to even Athens versus Sparta the Peloponnesian Wars, and that is, how do you educate spirit, and how does your culture get sustained through the institutions of family and education?

And William Sadler was from the brief blurbs I was reading, also deploying the German susceptibility to the Prussian education system. And if you want to know why that's significant, it's that the Prussian apparently the Prussian education system is how the US education system ultimately got modeled after.  You don't have to take my word for it. You can listen to one of the award-winning education people, John Taylor Gatto, G A, T, T, O, for something about that subject, and that's basically saying, are you going to have an authoritarian propagandist, government education system that favors compliance and indoctrination versus something that's more experiential and immersive education. So mostly when you see a divide those who are wealthy and able to provide their children with immersive, experiential education, who get exposed to people knowledgeable in various fields and teaching by doing, etc, etc, and the rest of the minions get indoctrinated.

So that's a segue into globalism because the globalist education system instills that. And interestingly enough, in the elections here in Pennsylvania, 29 year, Senator Bob Casey lost. Or is going to lose to first-time Senator McCormick. McCormick is a Republican. Casey is a Democrat, and in the last days, you could probably see where the wind was blowing electorally as a five-second blurb from the Casey advertisements said, don't vote for McCormick, he's an evil globalist. Now, why would someone like that say that if they didn't know that the electorate here in Pennsylvania was on to that type of mentality?

Similarly, if you're European, you're not you're not unfamiliar with with this either, as whoever is labeled a populist is basically an anti-globalist. So there's a lot more on that, but to be a globalist in this day and age is to in religious circles, fulfill or keep on the plan of, if you want to go all the way back, somewhere along the lines, there's a root cause or inspiration for the type of globalism we might be getting. And if it's not part of God, it's probably part of Lucifer, who claims this planet for the rebels. Now that's just on a meta-view. And then where we've come into conflict amongst ourselves is basically coming to the truth, but we're kind of all on the same side when it comes to our desire to see our planet in brotherhood, under under God the Father and not Lucifer.

So to that extent, you know, there has been, we have to acknowledge that there has been some far left, there has been some far right. And we want to get it back to where we're even able to help ourselves, and we can't do that when the now we know enough about social sciences and social studies and the pop culture of today really wants to get into who are psychopaths, who are sociopaths, and who are, who are people suffering from all sorts of things, and mainly with social media, narcissism is at an all-time high. So we've got, we're going to have to do better to educate and we're coming, we're able to be coming up with things like that.

I think a good recent interview from an historical perspective was done by the Hoover Institute this week with an interview called, the three historians. I think they did a good job criticizing thought that's coming out of the far left and being educated in our universities, and thought that's recently come out of the far right, and ironically, what links both of those extremisms was a sympathy with the ultimate Luciferian conflict of World War Two, which was backed by Nazi Germany, the occult of Lucifer. And when you see the far left embracing those types of ideas in this election, it kind of came from the Imam that Tim Walls referred to as one of his respected religious teachers, I think.

But what, ultimately, what's coming out of that was a sympathy for Nazi revisionism that put the Jews in a bad light, and the Jews as the devil of, say, the Elders of Zion type thing, which is a kind of a propaganda piece, you could say, at the very least, of a Luciferian faction. And those things tend to be traced back to things like materialism in its basest forms, and communism also came out of Germany, by the way. So those things were ultimately made their way through Germany and Russia back in the day. Now, where does it come from in the far-right. It came from that in this interview, they very vehemently criticized that interview that Tucker Carlson did of that amateur researcher, and they didn't call him a historian that called Churchill the main villain of World War Two, and Hitler not necessarily the main villain, because he looked at all these times he reached out for peace is kind of the thesis there now. And that is a revisionist and totally far-right thing, an error of what happened there.

So those are just an example of coming back to the center away from those things, because certainly those things could be considered sympathetic to Germany, Nazi Germany, and that in that case, the worry, the worrisome people of the electorate calling Trump MAGA fascism would cite that kind of well, research or contention, and they would be correct. But that's not the way the electorate ultimately really is, but it does get looked at, and so it should be corrected. So that's, that's academics. I did it. John Taylor Gatto.

Okay, let's do a Carole, songatsunrise. I'm changing the subjects briefly. There was a question about Reiki. Yes, Carole, knowing your situation, Reiki could be an additional thing that helps you. Reiki is a type of energy healing, and so these healers are not allopathic medicine, but they are more and more aware of how they can complement it. So my my advice to you and Reiki, for those not familiar with it, experienced practitioners of Reiki, time and time again, have personal experiences where they sense celestial helpers in their healing practices. So in this sense, Carole, I would simply be very upfront with your religious faith, and be comfortable working with a Reiki practitioner who understands and respects that and probably, furthermore has some experience that they probably can't put the same religious vernacular to, but certainly in spirit, could help you. And so it's worth a shot, and you shouldn't be afraid to look into it and and try it out. So that ends that.

Just as a timeline, I guess you could say is that, if you're looking at The Urantia Book, it started at the very least in the early 20th century, so the early 1900s probably late 1800s hundreds. Oh, okay, I wanted to button that back up. So there's a book that John Taylor Gatto, I think related to, I'm not sure, but there's a book called Tragedy and Hope. And so when we talk about globalists, the author of Tragedy and Hope is a guy named Caroll Quigley, and so he's basically looking at all the globalist institutions and being allowed to look at their meeting minutes from 1880 through 1963 and I think his main takeaway was; well, I agree with the good and noble aims that you're trying to do. What I disagree with is why you're being so secretive about it. So what does that say that there, I mean, there is a global elite. There is a more or less untransparent plan to go about doing it, and we're not crazy out of our heads to call them on it. Where we're differing is diagnosing where it's working, how it's operating, and how to fix it, because we're in a battlefield fog, so to speak, in this spiritual global conflict, how much of it is warfare, we don't know until it's at your door, I suppose.

But that's the point. Is that there are there are globalists, and they probably aren't all about God. To that effect, just in my analysis, and this could be open to discussion. If you look at this election, you know, maybe it was planned out that Trump was probably was going to die. If you're thinking the deep state was going to kill him, and how have they pivoted for him not to die, or whether we have a real shot at actually fixing the deep state, who knows? But certainly, those of us who voted for Trump and are pleased by that victory, you can work with us, because we're of the mind that this is an opportunity to correct some of the fundamentals back into the country, not to make it fascist, but to make it a constitutional democracy like our, like God is trying to shape it so that these missions can take effect and that America, well, the United States, could be under something like a divine regency of Magisterial Sons and I guess that's all I should say about that.

So that's everything on my, on my sheet. Let's go with something next, is that well, despite the forum might go into new forms in the future, I don't think in these modern times, having a wide open door is safe and secure anymore. There are just an overwhelmingly amount of automated malicious actors trying to steal the information. So basically, we're in a conundrum of having it open and publicly available, and the fruits of that policy now are simply having everyone's information exposed for us to be attacked by spam and fraudsters. So we're probably going to go to a more open firewall of usually that means a password and an account and a secure sign-in that at least keeps the bad actors out as much as possible.

Now we can start things like a book club. I think it'd be great to have some of these fundamentals revisited and looking at the Sadler's early works. Let's see, and that, I guess, in the final closing, one of the things that nod on me going to the UAE conference was a flippancy for the complexity of the revelation of The Urantia Book, comparing the basically sections one and two with the very complex taxonomy of universe beings and governance and personalities and administration of a vast universe of time and space, not just our planet, and that those things aren't really fundamental to the good news that Jesus brought of salvation and eternal life with God. And there's certainly a truth to that, but that ultimately, if you don't embrace, if you're not willing to look at some of these complexities and be willing to to educate each other on it, then that leaves us open to well, watering down some of the some of the more basic fundamentals as well.

So I think there should be some projects we could do, for example, not just leave it to, you know, there's basically studies we could produce and that ultimately, you know, and I'm just kind of guessing here, sociologically, that in general, you know, women aren't engineers. Women care more about relationships, for example, and men care more about things. Some on a wide level, probably, I'm guessing, men are more, concern themselves more with maybe the minutia of sections one and two of The Urantia Book, where women might not, and they would be more interested in the narrative of Jesus and some of the basic things that solidify relationship with spirit. And so I'm just getting at that in that it doesn't have to be men and women, but when we work on these projects, there ought to be a pairing like a battery of positive and negative, and so that would just be kind of a way to go about working together properly again.

Let's see if anyone's willing to go into AI. I would recommend that you would look at Llama. I think that's what Facebook has. And there's a, there's a limited time where you could put llama versions. That's Llama with L, L, A, M, A, you could put basically AI tools on your computers, and they will work without having to have any access to the internet. So those types of projects we could use Llama to do things like put in all these archive transmissions and begin to work with that data to develop patterns. All right, thanks for listening. It's 2:49.

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General Discussion / Re: Foundation and Forum updates Oct 30 - Nov 1st
« on: December 05, 2024, 18:53:48 pm »

Dominick  
Hello, this is Dominick. I'm together here with Steven Gitz today, and not necessarily a Lightline, but it's November 1, 2024 and we have some updates, at least I do, Dominick, from the last several days, of which Steven has been privy to some but I asked him to attend with me so that he can so we can be together as two gather in Jesus name and Michael of Nebadon, and our Father, our Universal Father, and that is Who we are encircuited with.

But the general terms, we're not going to transmit anyone today, unless they happen to come through, but I'll relay some of the transmissions that I've been receiving in terms of that things are different and experientially, it's almost hearkening back to much earlier days learning, I guess the phenomenon of transmitting, it felt like circuits were being built up and learned. And to that respect, that seems to be happening again. So in other words, whereas before you would open up a protocol and a Lightline. These days, it's more like, oh, I seem to be receiving a stream of thought. I better listen more carefully and see if I'm receiving and to that respect that seems to be happening, and some of my duties have changed, assuming some of the roles and leadership of the board that Ron was doing, for example, checking in every morning. And so those are some of the updates I'll be giving.

But in general, one important update for all, on the list, on the forum, is that we're deemphasizing the need to expand the capacity with transmitters for the time being, and that instead of, say, focusing on your training or experiential abilities in transmission, that that's best served in prayer, in worship, and seeking wisdom. And that means seeking the wisdom within which generally seeks the wisdom of the Universal Father within you, and the Father that's the Father that Jesus spoke about, and that would reveal that we all have that capacity of of accessing and having a relationship with.

So a new subject is to reiterate what the Magisterial Foundation is. Certainly from a reporting standpoint, as a foundation 501, c3 is that we spend some of our revenue, which an entity like this is supposed to do, in order not to have a profit, you're supposed to spend X amount percentage on charitable activities. And so those are Lightlines and teams around those Lightlines. It was a kind of staff training for missions and participation, but that's kind of on hold.

But always, is there a general education and topical education with these Lightlines and so this is different from past phenomenon of spiritualism and channeling and whatnot. These are the attempts to reestablish the universe broadcast of the what's been termed as original universe government, or in other words, the government of God that we invoked and talked about at the beginning of this Lightline. So it's universal broadcasts, and it's also revelational education. And in that respect, we have a, we have a membership with and practical application of this in the Lightlines. And we also seek network association into projects and fieldwork.

That was kind of an update I got on 10/30 and yesterday, on 10/31 we got a little more clarification, just a reiteration, on what the Rayson Corporation is set up to do and mainly the personnel within it when we talk about the board right now because there's been a need to clarify the communication process when our membership supports the patent, that's front and center there on the forum. So Ron is the patent owner in the Rayson Corporation. For that reason, he's he is the owner of the patent until he dies because the legal system establishing patents in the United States necessitates or demands that a person, the inventor, is the primary contact, the owner of the patent. Ron, as the patent owner, he's best. He's the best person obviously on why it works.

That's a big distinction between understanding how it works, so someone like myself is very competent in how it works, and I can explain how it works, and I have a basic understanding, because of my time with Ron being educated, of why it works, and he's tried to help you all understand as well why it works, but ultimately, as we evangelize the patent, you are pretty much confident in how it works, and don't get in over your head in ever trying to explain why it works.

That's up to the Rayson Corporation to explain when necessary. Steven also, likewise, has the ability to go out and explain how it works and presenting that to people. He's got some experience in presenting to the public and private sector at this point. Others of you on the forum have helped and to date, you have put yourself in the position of not being able to connect your party, your third party, with us at the Rayson corporation. In that respect, your contacts have turned you, whether you meant to or not, into the negotiators and the go-betweens and that's not a recipe to work. That's not how it's set up to do.

Please just set up a connection between the Rayson Corporation or the patent owner directly. Now, because of Ron's health, I've explained that that situation is in limbo, and for that reason, all developments or activities are now at a standstill. Please cease in actively developing any opportunities, because the status of Ron Besser puts the status of the patent in a limbo that we're frankly, not able to act on it right now. But that doesn't mean you can't make a connection. But if you, if you dare to think you're negotiating anything on our behalf, that's just, that's an error, that's an incorrect way to go about doing it.

George is also on the board. He's specialized in the the range and capacity of the coverage, and his military service puts him in a capacity of being a potential military liaison when it comes to the government. That's just an assumption on my part, George, but you can correct me. Elise has been helping administratively, and most importantly, she's a voting board member. So that would mean in the case of if the board is put into a position of approving something that's being negotiated. She's a voting member on that. Any more board on the human side is to be determined, and an advisory board is certainly likely and encouraged, though we have no one on an advisory board as of yet. We have a couple people in unofficial capacities who are interested parties. So that ends the 10/31 kind of morning session that I'm sharing with you.

And today we'll just continue. I'll share some of the things, but that is to also reaffirm that what we're doing here on the forum is education and services. It's revelation. It's education about revelation. It's also education on spiritual governance, and that also leads into naturally earthly governance. And so what does that ultimately mean? It means we are educating and providing clarification in revelation, because sometimes revelation is an aggregation of previous knowledge and a restatement of what needs to be preserved in knowledge, and sometimes it's a brand new revelation, and that would be explicitly said when that's the case and by who.

And so those things definitely involve the salvation that Lemuel was talking about today, just today, of the soul, and also being born again of the Spirit. So that's spiritual and earthly governance after death and the meaning of what you're ultimately doing in life, and it also deals with the way you are born again of the Spirit, in other words, phasing into a greater reality of spiritual status, even while in the flesh. And so that definitely entails more education and service about the good news and backing that up with good works. And to delve into the modes of operation in revelation is why we started this with the emphasis on prayer, worship, and then using your mind to seek wisdom and that should be within.

The natural tendency in people, and we see this all the time, is that we try to triangulate the truth, and so we take from various sources, and we compare and we contrast, and come up with something that we take as knowledge and belief, and of course, that is filled with of course a journey of a trial and error sometimes. But what I'm getting into is that this new phase is just to reiterate that there is a re-emphasis on the reality that missions may not include the humans, but that it means that we should not fall into the messiah complex of not feeling helpless if there's no divine intervention. Every generation believes it's the well the worst in terms of the global situation of catastrophes and end times, and we lose our ability to affect our world with the good news and the good works, especially with good works, if we sit back and wait for deliverance and without Improving that within ourselves and developing a community effect.

So thank you for listening, in that respect, there is some future news that I don't think we'll say at this time, but we will end with this: that on the forum, Jose, specifically, if you're listening or reading, please stop with the daily Facebook reposting of your timeline. We need to clear the circuits and unless you have a specific reason that you need to explain you're kind of you're gumming it up. So if there's nothing coming in the wire, there needs to be silence and no activity. In other words, if there's no rhyme or reason as to why you're doing it, because you haven't explained why you're doing it, and people are confused, especially when you over time of, say, 10 days. The only thing coming through is that that's outdated information. It hasn't generated any discussion, as it implies it should do, and therefore it's coming across as information that should be read, and that's simply not the case.

I hope you understand why and if you don't understand, always, just talk to me about it. But if you continue, we'll have to take some administrative steps just to educate you on this, if you haven't heard about it, and just ask you to stop. But at the very least, if you're doing it for discussion, explain why, and start a discussion about it, but you can't just leave it out there, because it's taken as information to be read. Now I understand the reason we're doing that is we're you're trying, we're triangulating the truth with it being out there. And that triangulation is not necessarily what's needed at this point, and you're leaving it in the hands of Facebook automation, which seems to dictate; so unless you have a reason why you're putting it out there, you need to state so. And if you don't, please stop, because we need up to date information coming through. I think that's all I have to say about that.

Yeah, yeah, I think that's it. So thank you for listening and Lightlines will probably resume, beginning this Sunday, after the election. So that will put us in it sorry, I'm looking at my calendar. Steve, you there? Can you help me? You're unmuted.

Steven  
Yeah, let's see, that would be the 10th. Is that correct? The Sunday after the election?

Dominick  
Okay, I'll take your word for it.

Steven  
Yes.

Dominick  
There you go, right. So Lightlines are resuming Sunday the 10th. If anyone like Elise, Rene, Lemuel gets a nod to do a Lightline, feel free. But Sunday Lightline will start up with me. Uh, per Ron's wishes, and we're going to do this like we stated after the election, which probably, at this rate, may or may not be decided officially by that time anyway, we'll see. Right, right? Steven, all right. Thanks for listening. Have a good day everyone.

Steven  
Thank you for this, Dominick, really helpful.

Dominick  
Yeah. Thank you. All right, goodbye, everybody.

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NETHERLANDS iNTERNATIONAL CALL IN NUMBERS AND ACCESS CODES / Re: Lightline Netherlands International
« on: November 21, 2024, 15:07:39 pm »

Elise  
Well, hello everyone. This is the Lightline, Netherlands International for Tuesday, November 19, 2024, and I'm Elise. I welcome you all, and I thank you for joining. And I welcome Lina. I just, I'm just noticing your name, Lina, welcome. I want to do a short prayer to the Father and thank him for bringing us together once more. We askMichael of Nebadon to be with us, and we ask help from celestial beings who are near us and our most valued, Melchizedek helpers who never forget about us and are here whenever we need them. Let's pray for Ron Besser and for all who suffer, for all who pray with us for a better world. Let's pray for our leaders and hope that they make the best decisions for this planet and for its people. We pray for Father to be at our side today. Thank you so much, Father. Amen.

Yes, this is the Tuesday Lightline, and the last Lightline for this week. It might be the last Lightline for this week. Maybe we will have another one, a Spanish Lightline on Sunday, but I'm not sure. And any Lightline, of course, that might come up at any time this week, but for me, it will be the last time, the last Lightline for some time, and we will continue with the Lightlines in January of 2025. But for now, well, I would like to see if there is someone from the spiritual side, who is able and willing to talk to us. So I will take this moment to settle myself in the light, in the light of Christ Michael, in the light of The Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit.

Machiventa Melchizedek  
This is your answer. Good day. This is Machiventa Melchizedek. I am your Planetary Manager, and I welcome everyone to this Lightline. We are on this Lightline with just a few, how many are there, Elise?

Elise  
We have six altogether Machiventa.

Machiventa Melchizedek  
Thank you, Elise, and that is enough to speak to you all for a moment before we close the Light lines for a time of peace, for meditation and reflection on everything you have experienced in the last couple of months and maybe years, and for the rest and peace of mind, because you might have to deal with a lot in the future. The Magisterial Foundation, with its discussion forum, is a great place where you all work and try to do something to reinforce and unite the spiritual growth in yourselves and in the world under the auspices of your Creator Father, Michael of Nebadon, for the well being and the spiritual progress of your planet and for Michael's universe, the universe of Nebadon.

It is well known to all of you that, in essence, you are ruled by spiritual laws and mankind will become more aware of the divine rules and its rulership, and it will become a living example of these spiritual rules, which is the law of the universes that will be better understood as people will become increasingly aware of their spiritual heritage and what it means to live a life on this planet that has gone through a very different evolution compared to the other planets. A lot of work and change is needed, and there is still much to learn and to achieve in the near future. Man, or rather mankind, must learn first that every citizen of this planet has the same responsibility, and you all have the same hereditary characteristics to contribute to material and spiritual progress.

Elise  
Just a minute, okay, well, go ahead please, Machiventa.

Machiventa Melchizedek  
It will take a long time to dawn on all people if they continue to fight with each other, and where so many of your brothers and sisters are treated as inferior citizens, and where there is a passion for material things that still seem to be the greatest happiness and fulfillment for many. I am Machiventa Melchizedek, and I know your world very well, and I have a good knowledge of how people live in many different cultures that exist on your planet, and what is most preferred, and where people strive for. But we know, and you know, that all human beings want love. Every creature needs love. That is a common thing on all planets, because God, your Father, is love, and you all come from Him, and you all long to return to Him.

But your world has strayed far from that ideal, and must now cope with the consequences of earlier leaders in your past future and your long ago, your long ago history, where your leaders have been given the task to advance this world and the people and to lead them through an evolution that would lead them to different phases of scientific and social, economic and spiritual growth, where progression and adjustment take place gradually. There is one exception when a divine intervention is planned for such a planet, which takes place in certain epochs on each planet that is inhabited by intelligent human life.

We the order of Melchizedeks, have been on many planets, and we have been leading and teaching many populations on worlds that differ greatly, and we have witnessed great changes, but sometimes much has been lost again in their civilization, when people lost interest and got distracted in the new social and just culture, and they began to behave, not so very intelligently, and didn't have any worth or special addition to the culture. We have watched great civilizations come and go, and we have seen spiritual values lost in bad behavior in which a culture fell quickly back into its former habits.

But we, the Melchizedeks, are always leading groups that work for a better world and who have the knowledge and show interest in Michael's plan. I am Machiventa and I have been working with different belief systems and religions, and I have carried different functions, but always as one of the Melchizedek order of Sons of the local universe. When we see a group that has the potential and shows the willingness to work for the world and the well-being of the population, we are always there to help in some form of communication, to find solutions together for the existing problems, and to search for new ideas and ideals to execute. 

Cooperation is the key. It will bring peace. It will bring togetherness. It will bring friendship and knowledge about each and every person that will work in a certain group. It will inspire you to talk about important things and not to have to start all over again, but to go forward and continue with what already has been mastered before. If we could find more groups on every continent of your world that would be willing to hear our words, your world would progress very quickly. It would be easier to reach everyone, and it would promote your scientific and your social, political, and spiritual view. It could unravel many problems, and even invent new methods to use in your society.

But you cannot teach people what they do not understand or refuse to know, and the first thing that needs to be taught and reminded is people's responsibility and honesty, responsibility and openness are the important things to use in your families, in your communities, in your country, and all over the world, and with your modern and fast communication systems, you could achieve success in no time. And that is our call to every individual, man or woman, to be an example and to live a more conscious and responsible life, as Jesus showed you during his time on earth when he spoke openly in honest, understandable words to the people, yet some of them turned their backs on him, and Jesus let them go.

But those who understood the meaning of his words and were willing to accept his teachings followed the master. We the Melchizedeks, We want you to know that we are always here to help you, to give you direction in your efforts to build a well-ordered and strong society. But you have to do your work, and you owe it to your Creator to do everything you can to help this planet get back into the circle of planets moving toward the times of Light and Life that will begin to dawn on the world when everyone, every citizen, shows their love to one another and to God. We would like you to use this time, this coming time, which is a time of festivities. You have Thanksgiving coming up, Christmas coming soon, and other festivities in different countries all over the world, we would like you to collect yourselves and find solutions in a cooperative way for the things you have not yet sorted out, and to be aware of the help that is offered to you through your meditation practice, through your prayers, through your talks, with your Adjuster, with God.

You are a dedicated and valuable group to communicate with and you are all very capable of finding the truth for yourselves, because you are aware that you are guided by the highest and most precious source, and that is God Himself, through your Thought Adjuster, who lives in you. In every of your uncertainties, in every of your quests, in every trial you face, turn to the Source within, only He teaches you the truth, and that applies to every normal person. Your Adjuster will come to you in your hours of stillness, in your meditation, and in your practice transmissions, in everything of value and truth, in every single word you receive, it is of utmost importance to develop a trusting relationship with your Adjuster and to make that contact every day. For He is always there, waiting for you and giving of Himself the best.

We want you to know that you are not alone. You are not left to yourselves and to your own devices. You know that we are all here to help and to guide you in building strong communities that are able and willing to cooperate with each other and to unite and to help Michael in his plan to establish his strong and lasting governments grounded in those parts of his universe that have suffered under Luciferian forces for so long and are still suffering its consequences. So take time to be with your Adjuster. Do it frequently and ask Him to help to transform your mind so that you will be prepared for times to come, prepared to walk together and to strive together in your common goal, in love for one another, which will give love to your soul, and changes will occur in your lives, and it will make you ready for your next step, your future life on the mansion worlds.

Spend time with your loved ones and give to others what you like to receive and be happy. There are opportunities for everyone to speak God's love. You can do it in your family, in your communities, on your workplaces, and even in business and politics, only if you want to see it if you're not closing your eyes for the needs of your brothers and sisters, you all need love. You all are able to give so much love. The world needs love, and every day gives you a new chance to give your love to others, to celebrate God's love and Jesus's love and His care for humanity and for this world, where he lived a life totally dedicated to our Father In the heavens, because Jesus knew it to be the most important thing in his life, and learned to contact the Father even in his younger years in the household of His earthly father and mother. Jesus loved all people, just as much as his family members, because he was aware of the love of God for all his children, and he possessed the gift of showing this divine love to the world.

I am Machiventa Melchizedek. Go in peace now and remember those words. We're all together. Do not forget. I am Macheventa Melchizedek, and I take my leave, and I thank you for this Lightline, Elise, and I wish you all a very good day.

Elise  
Thank you, Machiventa Melchizedek. Thank you. Thank you very much. Well, this is Elise. I don't know if there is anything else, but just give me a second. But I have this feeling that it's a speech and a talk, actually, from Machiventa to us, to encourage us to go on, and work together, think of each other, and support each other. So we might not hear from him for a long time on the Lightlines, because they will be suspended but I hope that you will hear Machiventa Melchizedek in your own transmissions, maybe or otherwise in your meditation and stillness time, and if not, ask your Adjuster to come to you. Let me have a look at the dashboard. I see we have more people. We have nine together at the moment, and George Huber has joined us, and Amando, Lemuel is here, and Salvador. Well, that's a good group, and I'm glad you all heard Machiventa Melchizedek's words, and I'm very thankful and grateful for his words. I'm asking this group if there's anything else if you want to add anything, say anything, or ask anything, or if there is something that Dominick wants to say to this group, you're on the list, Dominick, if not, if there's anyone else, I can only, I can only say that I will think of you, of all of you during the time that we are without Lightlines, but we are still a family, and we'll be thinking of each other. Every now and then I get a message from Phyllis, and that's really nice when she is able to take time to write to me, or maybe she does that to other people too. She told me that her granddaughter had recently, recently had a baby, and the whole family is so happy because she lost her grandson a couple of years ago, and that was a great loss in the family, so they feel the happiness of a newborn, perfect little baby. Yeah, I see Lemuel. I'm going to unmute you because, I'll let you speak Lemuel, just go ahead. Please go ahead.

Lemuel  
Excuse me. Thank you, Elise, excuse me, thank you. Yes, I didn't hear all that Machiventa Melchizedek said, but I get the gist of what he said, and I would just like to add a few things of a similar vein, really, just a short time ago, maybe a couple of weeks ago. Well, perhaps, as some of you know I do, I like very much to do an audio transmission on a Friday when I'm out walking in the country. I've always enjoyed doing it, and what I did a couple of weeks ago, I think, was called the end of a chapter. Well, I'm sure you all understand now we've come to the end of a chapter. Excuse me.

Quite a long chapter for some of us as members of the discussion forum, and perhaps some of some of us remember the teaching mission way back 30 years ago in the '90s. So for me, personally, it has been a long chapter, and perhaps not so long for some of you. The fact remains that we have come to the end of this chapter with the Serara Forum and everything that we had prayed for, everything that we had planned for, and everything that had been announced, as you all know, seems to have come to naught, to nothing. I say, seems to have come to nothing, because that's not quite the case. It is the case that we have come to the end of a chapter, and we must wait for the next chapter to begin, and this is the most difficult period of the time when it is like being in no man's land. The door seems to be closed behind you and there is a door in front of you, but it is not yet open.

So in the meantime, what do we do? Well, perhaps one or two of you may be tempted to throw in the towel and say, well, that's it. What's the point of going on and thinking about the missions, hoping for the missions, etc? Well, yes, you can do that, or you can just simply be patient and wait to see what happens. You and well, I will mention it now. Perhaps you have heard the latest news that President Putin of Russia has now changed his plan for nuclear warfare because of Joe Biden's agreement to allow Ukraine long-range missiles. So this is the actual news at the moment. So between now and January, of course, we could have the beginning of a third world war or even a nuclear war. Well, I, for one, will not allow and cannot allow myself to be influenced one way or the other by that I believed 85 years, and I've survived so many other wars. I don't mean to belittle these things, but in fact, I'm not worried at all.

I only want to point out that the situation is as it is at the moment. So who knows what the next chapter is going to be? Maybe we have a new chapter on the discussion forum in January or not. If we are still here, perhaps we will, let us hope so. But as MachiventaMelchizedek today pointed out, as I saw, pointed out, many, many times, hold on to what we know that we have, what could have been, what should have been, what would have been; is neither here nor there. So let it go. In fact, it has gone, at least for the moment. So let it go. We have with us, as you know, God, we don't need anything else. Someone once asked me, I'm going to repeat it, because we still have some minutes here. If you don't mind, bear with me just a moment. I have been asked more than once by people who, for whatever reason, do not like the idea of transmitting thinking, you know, you're not worthy, or whatever the case is, which is just rubbish, of course.

Now I want you to know how I started years ago, and I'm going back 1967 or something like that. I started an imaginary conversation out loud, imagining that my beloved was standing by the side of me and we were walking together. Well, obviously, literally, if you are walking with a friend outdoors and you were talking together. You talk in a loud voice. You don't just think the conversation. You speak the actual words. Well, I started doing this a long, long time ago, and I soon discovered that, in fact, I was having a response. Little by little, and this gave me such a boost to my faith and joy that it has continued ever since. And this is my beloved indwelling fragment, and you have exactly the same thing in all of you. If you want to transmit, then simply converse with your indwelling Thought Adjuster.

Maybe, obviously, you need to do it where other people cannot hear you. I am sure you have the opportunity sometime during the day to be on your own and have a chat. Remember what I said. He is with you. He is you. So talk, talk to your indwelling, and you will soon discover the thoughts and words will come into your mind that they were not from you, they were from Him, and you will be so thrilled, so overjoyed to have this contact with Father. So between now and January, or the next time we come together as a group with a Lightline, hold on to this. Whatever happens in the future, this is the most important thing you can ever achieve, while still in the flesh. Now, I think you all know and understand that, and so for the rest, just let it go, let it be. All right, that's all I want to say. Thank you, Elise, for giving me this opportunity to say these few words. Thank you.

Elise  
Well, thank you, Lemuel, I'm glad you took that opportunity. I want to say that I had that experience myself when I started to converse out loud with my Adjuster, whom I really had to imagine above or next or beside of me. I also take walks in nature, and that's a good place to start that if you have the opportunity, nature will give you the calmness and the well the stillness and the reality of God's creation.

I have walked in places where they have just cut some beautiful trees, and I was so sad, but I started to first, I started to complain to God that it's so such a silly thing to do. But then I heard words of consolement, of support, and He said; What do you care about one tree? It's my tree. It's still there, although it's gone, it's still there. It's as there, as much as you are here. And I felt really happy about that. So that's, that's a little thing that I can tell you. And well, let's close. There's no one else. Oh yeah, there is a Lemuel, yes, or you still have, I have to mute you. I guess, yes, I did. Or did you want to say anything else? Let me unmute you. No. Did you Lemuel?

Lemuel  
No, that's all. Thank you, Elise.

Elise  
Okay, okay, I'll mute you again. Thank you. Well, I think we can close this Lightline off, and I thank Lemuel for his words, and we hope for a better future, despite the threats on this world, and I can only repeat Lemuel, what you said, we have God, and that's all we need. It's the best we have. So we heard you clearly, Lemuel, and we thank you. And I want to, of course, I want to thank Machiventa Melchizedek. He is, He's always here for me, and He's always with me, and He is such a good companion. I thank you so much, Machiventa, and of course, you the listeners who are here and listening, having your own thoughts. I wish you well, and I wish you a beautiful Thanksgiving, and I'll say goodbye for now, but not forever. Of course, we'll be back, and things will happen as they should happen. And well we may begin in new chapter of a very, very thick and sad book you never know. So goodbye and I love you all, love you, and enjoy. Bye-bye.

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NETHERLANDS iNTERNATIONAL CALL IN NUMBERS AND ACCESS CODES / Re: Lightline Netherlands International
« on: November 14, 2024, 10:00:44 am »
  • 111224 Audio Tape Lightline Netherlands International; host: Elise Sophia Veronica
  • Subjects: a review of Machiventa Monday transmissions through Mission Urantia, Machiventa’s previous words to Mission Urantia about the necessity of cooperation, and Love - it is the greatest gift from God;
  • Speakers: Jesus; 
  • Transcribed By: RAZ ( I welcome corrections - message me )
  • Link To Tape: https://www.conferencecalling.com/recordings/1528070/251848/VCISPREC02_251848_20241112_110103 

Elise  
Hello everyone, this is the Lightline Netherlands International. It's November 12, 2024, and this is Elise, your host on the Lightline Netherlands International, on Tuesday, November 12, 2024. I have decided to open the Lightline despite the closed circuits, as you saw last Sunday with Dominick's and Rene's Lightlines. But we would like to inform you about the decision we made to try to get to know and to get more acquainted with other organizations and to maybe get involved in our mutual goal and work in the disseminating of the messages and revelations as we have received them over the years, and how to get all that important information and the knowledge about God in us as our Thought Adjuster to the people of Urantia who are obviously in need of such knowledge.

So that made me decide to go on this day, Tuesday. But let's start with a prayer and thank our Father. Dear Father, we are gathered here again to be with you and to maybe, if possible, to hear your voice. We welcome all those who have taken the time to be with us. We're glad that Ron, may be here, and I hope that he will get all the blessings you have, Father for him to recover and to go where he has to go and what he has to do. We have come together to share our love for you, Father, for Christ Michael, for Jesus, of course, for the Melchizedeks and Magisterial Sons and all Your divine associates who we know are with us in all our sorrow and happiness, and who keep giving us their blessings. We thank You, Father, for the gift of life and for the opportunity to show that our lives are for You, while trying to assist and attend to our brothers and sisters in their material and spiritual need and to speak Your name in honor of You, Father, thank you so much. Thank you, Father.

So this is Elise. I wanted, I just wanted to inform you a little about something that you have read, maybe on the discussion forum yesterday, when we attended a meeting of Mission Urantia, which is an organization, with a few of our members. Mission Urantia is an association or organization, I don't know how they call themselves, founded by people with the purpose of reaching the population and to make them aware of God and the Spirit of the Universal Father who lives within us. And they do so by trying, as they say, and these are their words, to assert and embody the Presence of Spirit, which is the Thought Adjuster, into the affairs of mankind by preserving, promoting, and implementing the teachings of the Urantia Book and the lessons and values of the teaching mission and the Magisterial mission.

And this is Elise again, with my own words. These people we talked with, they all have a good knowledge of The Urantia Book. They have often participated in study groups and some of them have been part of the Teaching Mission, and some of them know many of you maybe, they know Ron Besser, and what they want is to preserve and pass on all these valuable lessons to others and for other generations to come. And with this, we think, and they think, that collaboration is the best way to help spread this knowledge and to better understand the value and content of The Urantia Book and to live by the lessons that are given to us through The Urantia Book and all other ways, as the Correction Time followed by the Teaching Mission, and, of course, the many, many transmissions by others and through Ron Besser as the number one transmitter of revelation, the Magisterial Foundation, as founded by Ron Besser, has much to offer, and Ron has always been very supportive of this idea.

Ron has always shared all information openly by sending emails and invitations to sister organizations, and by openly discussing the news and and revelations in his Lightlines. So some of us came together with these friendly people at the Mission Urantia meeting to see how we can communicate and cooperate better to reach more people, but especially to promote cooperation between the organizations. We all have one goal in mind, and that's to make everyone realize that God lives in us as a fragment of Himself and that He leads us to our common goal, to reach Him, the Father, after finishing our ascension careers. There were four of us present, and we exchanged some information, we introduced ourselves, and Dominick spoke briefly about the invention of free electricity, the electrons, and muons, etc, and how it works. Well, he gave he gave them a good picture, and he told them about Rayson, the Magisterial Son, who has worked with Ron.

He Dominick, told them about the patent that has given Ron the right to go ahead and to make plans and eventually go into production. And I think that they found it a very interesting thing. Well, they refer to it as to what The Urantia Book tells us about science and ultimatons. Well, I think Ron has always endeavored to involve every organization in all that he has done and in all that he has received, and well, I think we hope to have found in this group, a cooperative partner, maybe in disseminating our findings, our goals, and our knowledge, and making these things useful to the people of Urantia, and at the same time assisting each other in achieving that common goal. Well, this is more or less what we have done, what we experienced and perhaps there are people in this group today who would like to respond or say anything to this, or maybe you have any questions, or maybe we have an addition from Dominick or the others who attended also?

Okay. Then I also wanted to say that this group is working under the guidance of Machiventa Melchizedek, and although it were not the words that He spoke yesterday, Machiventa only spoke briefly in the introduction in the beginning, but I have here something that Machiventa Melchizedek spoke some time ago to that group to help them in their search of how to work together and with the best ideas to get their goals achieved. And maybe you'll get the idea of what Spirit likes to say, and what they like to see us do as well. So I'm going to read this. It's not my, it's not a transmission that I'm doing, but it's something that Machiventa spoke to the other group, and it could be very helpful. And it's this:

Machiventa said; "We must find a way to work together in a collective manner that brings the awareness of a global planetary administration to this world, and it lets them know that there is a plan, a plan for each personally, and a plan for humanity collectively. The key to this plan is each individual being willing to put the effort in to make this living connection with the First Source and Center and allow themselves to be transformed by the power of this living connection. Because out of that transformation will come the collective willingness to move beyond individual differences, individual personal agendas, individual egos, and find a way to put the good of the whole ahead of the good of any one individual.

Machiventa went on to say; the key to this plan is each individual being willing and try everything. When I talk about the First Source and Center as your connection, I talk about your Adjuster, as you probably understand, we need all that collective work. Ask yourself how you can plug into doing everything within your power to guarantee its success. Talk about among each other how to pool your energy and how to support one another, because right now, no one has a vision big enough to encompass how you would take this period of a remarkable revelation to this world, or how to approach the people. How are you going to be of assistance to each other? These are all questions you may consider and find solutions for in your own soul. Speak to your Adjuster and ask for assistance and insight, ask for support and wisdom. For this is an enormous task that humanity has to work out, and where We can only help you by answering your questions and your concerns that you meet on the way while doing your very best to learn from each other's mistakes and not lose hope for a better outcome. Well, this is the end of the quote.

Now, of course, this was spoken to this group, this is Elise speaking now, but I think that it applies also to us as well. For this is general information for those who understand and like to work with Spirit, in cooperation with spirit, and for the benefit of our planet and its people. So I wanted to give that to you. Well, this is what I have for today, and I will see now if we can get any connection to Spirit. So please give me a minute for that.

Jesus  
Good day to all. This is your Jesus. And although circuits are low, I always know how to come to your group and give My love to you. I bring you My love. That's the only thing I would like to speak about today. Love, it is the greatest gift from God. Love is God. God is love. God reveals His love in everything that comes from Him, and everything is and comes from Him, in all and everything we can find His love. And it is up to you to discover and learn to feel God's love and to apply it in your life with others, who then again, pass on your love to those they meet in their lives, and which gives them all the strength to cope with life and to manifest love in everything you do.

I am Jesus, and in my life, in this world, I have conveyed the love of our Father, our God, to everyone I met. The love of Father was represented in Me as I carried not only an actual fragment of God, the Father within me, as the Adjuster, but also the divine attribute and character of Michael of Nebadon who shared this life with Me and dwelt within Me as the great secret and wonder of God who is alive and truly present in man. Yes, this is what happens when a Son of God, a Creator Son, decides to incarnate to enter a human body and experience a human life as present within a human being.

This is the secret of the Father, the secret of Sonarington, a sphere which surrounds Paradise and is intended for such a process that is realized and accomplished by a divine act in which the Creator Son temporarily leaves His local universe and literally resides in the body of one of His created intellectual beings of His universe for the purpose of experiencing and fully understanding His children in their existence. This is the greatest love that only a divine Creator Son can have for His creatures and for His creation. It demonstrates the paternal sacrifice of the Creator's loving act, His love surpasses everything, everything you know and experience in love here on Earth. It is the pure expression of divine love and can only be felt when man has fully connected himself with God. A state that will take place when man unites with his Creator after his many experiences in the journey through life where he has learned that love is the greatest gift and greatest benefactor, and that man can only come to God in love as God himself is love. This is Jesus. I have spoken as your friend, as your brother, as your teacher, as the Son of God and the Son of Man. I leave you in My love and I bless you. Good day.

Elise  
I thank you, Jesus. Thank you very, very much. I see that Dominick has raised his hand, and I'm going to unmute you, Dominick. Yes, go ahead, Dominick, are you there? Lemuel, I unmuted, Lemuel?

Lemuel  
Thank you, Elise.

Elise  
Don't tell me that it is not working.

Lemuel  
Yes, it is. Yes.

Elise  
Oh yes, I hear you all right.

Lemuel  
I want to say, first of all, the words of Machiventa Melchizedek are so true and worthy of repeating so many times because they are so true and so pertinent at this moment in our history, and also the wonderful words that we have just heard from Jesus. Love simply is, and there is no place without love if one is able to see it and to be able to see it, one only has to look but to look with your inner eyes and not your outer eyes. And I would just like to say, I am reminded constantly from my own beloved indwelling, that love that we have within ourselves is like, like the flame of a candle, you know?

We all know that a candle can also light 1000 other candles, and yet it maintains its own light and its own heat. It doesn't matter if that flame of just one single candle lights a million other candles, its own light is never depleted. Well, this obviously is love in action, and we all have this light within us, and we only have to express it by being what we are. We are children of our Creator Father, Michael of Nebadon, as Jesus expressed throughout his life. Well, we are not Jesus, of course, but we are able to use Him as our inspiration and example of what is possible. Let our light shine and spread it wherever and wherever we go. That's all I have to say, thank you, Elise, thank you.

Elise  
Thank you, Lemuel, really true. And you've taught us the same all over again, many times, really true. And that's the words spoken there by Machiventa, they, well, they really catch me and I think it was so beautiful to read that to everyone here. And of course, well the words that Jesus came to tell us are very moving, and I'm so glad that He could come here. And thank you for doing that, Lemuel, because it's so appropriate to do it now. Thank you so much.

Lemuel  
Thank you, Elise, thank you.

Elise  
Okay. I muted you again. I see that you did. You did raise your hand again, Lemuel, did you? Hi, Elise, are you unmuting yourself? Okay, mute yourself. Okay, mute yourself. Go ahead, please. I won't interfere. Thank you. Dominick, you are unmuted, or were you going to say anything? Or was it just by accident? I think you probably, we probably lost you. I have no idea. Well, I don't think there is anything else today to say on this Lightline. And I think we had really beautiful words spoken to us, at least not directly spoken to us by Machiventa, but they just appeal to us just as much, and they're beautiful and wonderful and worth to well, to have them on the discussion forum, we can do that because it's for everyone, and not only for the people who are here gathered.

So if there is nothing else, well, I'm just want to close this Lightline. I have nothing else, and I see no hands up, and I just, well, let me thank you for being here. We have a whole list of people here, and that's so good to see, because I, we all knew, know that the circuits are down for most of of the time, and we don't know when everything will be back to normal, but it's much better to wait and have it all restored than to just struggle along. So thank you for being here, and goodbye to everyone. I don't know if we have a Lightline next week. Let's just see how everything works and goes. Have a good day and enjoy yourselves.

Dominick  
Hey, Elise.

Elise  
Yes, are you there, Dominick?

Dominick  
Yeah, I had the family come in, so I stepped away if you asked if I was around.

Elise  
Oh, okay.

Dominick  
Yeah, when you do unmute everybody who's listening, say hello to Ron. he's right here you want to mumble or shout or something,

Elise  
I will unmute everyone then, okay, so take your turn. Don't shout altogether.

Dominick  
Let Ron, let Ron say a few things first, he's got the mic.

Elise  
Okay. And then I'll let you and I'll give you the time, I'll give you a little time to say goodbye or hello to him. Okay, unmute him all. Wait, wait, wait, I will stop the recording. Should I? Yes.

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9
NETHERLANDS iNTERNATIONAL CALL IN NUMBERS AND ACCESS CODES / Re: Lightline Netherlands International
« on: November 05, 2024, 18:23:57 pm »
  • 110424 Audio Tape Lightline Netherlands International; host: Elise Sophia Veronica
  • Subjects: continue active Serara Forum involvement, continue to listen for Spirit and to your Thought Adjuster, the Federation (Dominion) has been disbanded as not needed currently but may be reinstated if required for the future;
  • Speakers: Michael of Nebadon, Universal Father, and Machiventa Melchizedek;
  • Transcribed By: RAZ ( I welcome corrections - message me )
  • Link To Tape: https://www.conferencecalling.com/recordings/1528070/251848/VCISPREC02_251848_20241104_110225

Elise  
Well, hello, everyone. After a lot of problems, I got a connection. This is Netherlands International Lightline for Monday, November 4, 2024, and this is Elise your host. I welcome everyone, and I thank you for joining. Well, let's stay together and strengthen our efforts to bring our friends from the spirit world closer to us, maybe we will hear some words from the other side.

Let's pray to Father for his grace and blessings on us and on the world that needs guidance and spiritual nourishment as it pursues the one great goal of ending all misunderstanding, exploitation, hatred, and war and in bringing peace to all nations. We thank You, Father, for all those of Your great heavenly family whom You send to us to help us find truth, beauty, and goodness in all that You have created. We welcome any guest or teacher who would like to address this group today.

Michael of Nebadon  
Good evening and good day to our listeners. This is Michael of Nebadon.

Elise  
Welcome, Michael. I'm so happy you're there. Please speak. You're very welcome.

Michael of Nebadon  
Well, thank you. Thank you, Elise. I'm here, and I would like to comfort everyone a little bit who is feeling a little lost. You are all missing the inspiring messages that Ron used to bring you in his transmissions and postings that kept the forum going that yes, most of it was done by him, and here on the discussion forum, you almost take care of yourselves now. Transmitters do what they can to inform you or bring you our words. But the forum should not be dependent on just a few it should demonstrate strong interest and participation from everyone who joins this forum. It should be a place where members give their opinion and feedback, as some of you do so that it offers the members an opportunity to respond and to express themselves. It is also an opportunity to express your personal feelings, for things are not always as you would like to hear, or you can agree with, and that's okay, and sometimes it is very confronting and even unbelievable.

But know that much depends on your own development and the desire to really be willing to listen for communication with the spiritual world is indeed possible, as you know, as you all know, and with practice and perseverance you will be able to contact us, and may experience yourselves daily in your conversations with Spirit. We are as close as your own physical family and friends, as your neighbors and acquaintances and your loved ones around you, you just have to attune to our presence and prepare yourselves in these moments for such moments and you can talk to us about your everyday experiences. But you have to be willing and open and ask your questions clearly and specifically if you have them, and I assure you that you will always get an answer in some form, even if you do not immediately hear Our voices speaking to you.

I am Michael of Nebadon, your Creator Father and I know your thoughts, but we can only respond clearly when you are fully attuned to our presence. So keep practicing and do not give up and know that without proof of expression, we are always present and always interested in your life and in your daily needs. It is not always easy for us to convey to you what we mean to say. It always has to do with you, the listener, with your own experience and abilities. It has to do with your intention, with your expectation, and dedication, and also with the different words and expressions used in transmissions or daily talks to you. But all that will improve by getting more accustomed to listen to the voice of God in yourselves. And that, of course, is your Thought Adjuster, whom you learn to hear and understand as you progress in your spiritual development and in what your ascension may entail for you and for Urantia and for your ascending career as a whole. So be persistent. Do not give up on what you have already achieved.

We want you to continue to believe in what must be learned and done from the Spirit knowledge and all the assistance we give to transform Urantia with you and with your help. We are still here, working with you and for you to help the planet achieve its next goal, and that is to produce a civilization that, with your help, will establish brotherhood among men and move this planet towards full trust and faith in the Father. The world today is not easy, and there is a lot of destruction causing people to suffer which really touches our hearts deeply. Attend to your brothers and sisters whenever you can, stay close to God, and take the time to keep thanking Him for the good that still can be found on your world.

God, your Father, always allows love to prevail, and He lets go of the hatred towards his children, who are all desiring the same, and that is health and prosperity and a balanced future for their children, and this can be achieved through mutual understanding and for love for each other, as Jesus showed you not so long ago in His life here on this world. But all humans on all inhabited planets eventually come to know their Creator, whom they give a name, as you did with the name God - G O D. Each planet is ready for revelation when one or more groups in its primary civilization have come to pray to one God, and then true religion can take its place in the hearts of man and a new period can begin to awaken on the planet and grow until the days when men begin to realize that they are all from the same Father and that the universes are all created by the hand of one God, ruled and governed by the one God they then love and worship.

And then, yes, then such a world will begin to prosper and its people will slowly rise to a higher civilization under God and His high associates, whom the Father created specifically to help humans to accomplish what God the Father likes to see for the planet to complete in the first stages of evolution and up to the final entering to the days of Light and Life, which is the ultimate goal for all planets in the local universes and God's plan for you and all the planets in My local universe of Nebadon. I am Michael of Nebadon. I am your Creator Father, and I leave you today in my hope and trust on a planet that will rise one day in glory when man realizes that all are children of the same Father. I am Michael, your Creator Father, abide in my peace. Good day.

Elise  
Thank you. Thank you, Michael, thank you so much for your words. Well, this is Elise, and I see that more people have come and joined us. Roger Raz, and Jose Vargas, and Steven Gitz are all here. And Charlotte, I think, has just appeared again. Well, you're all very welcome. Thank you for coming. Oh, let's see if we have someone from the other side, speaking to us.

Universal Father  
This is Father, the Universal Father.

Elise  
Oh, welcome Father. Please go ahead.

Universal Father  
Yes, I'm Father. I greet you, My children. I bring you my blessing, and may you speak My name. You are living in a time of tremendous tension around the world and We know that you are missing your almost daily transmissions you were used to receive, but no other whom you receive your teachings or information from your world is so stubborn as stays in its unbalanced situation of misunderstanding each other and suffering the consequences. Whereas it could make living meaningful and joyful instead of harming one another. This world population still has a long way to go before it understands that peace can only come to the world, to your world if everyone, indeed, all on your planet, long for peace and work for it. There must be a general and deep desire to make peace.

Yes, the people themselves must have the will to make peace, you and all people, one by one, must make your own peace, which will then come to the world when people learn to love and to work collectively in achieving their goal, to achieve peace, and it must come from the people themselves. Peace is not a divine gift, it is something you have to create and work for because otherwise it would not be acquired and not made it your own. It is man, it is the people, collectively, all who inhabit the planet who decide whether you are living under peace or keep fighting and keep destroying. It is the people themselves, indeed, one by one, who decide whether to turn to their Creator or stay away from Me and deny My existence and try to prove that they are the kings who rule the nations.

You all know by now that this world lacks understanding of her spiritual origin and everything that is manifested for you on your world here and beyond, this is primarily due to a great lack of spiritual education, which is so necessary for each planet to be able to evolve and to trust and believe in Me, your Father, Who cares and upholds all of creation, and Who gave you the attributes and the restoration characteristics to reason, to think, and to come to believe and trust in Me. You have learned about great revelations. Great revelations have been brought to you, but those never had the full opportunity to work for this planet, to the extent that you have been able to form and build your society in accordance with the grace and intentions coming With it, the important meaning and necessity.

Elise  
Pardon me. I think it was necessity. I don't know if I heard this word correctly.

Universal Father  
of those wonderful revelations were interrupted or not fully understood and much of what was brought to you has been forgotten or just put aside. But here I am, your Universal Father. I love you, and I can assure you, this world has My love to create a beautiful world for all. A world that you are able to develop for you and with you, and to grow a soul so strong that is ready to enter the morontial worlds easily and quickly and to benefit from what you learned in your previous existence.

Continue to listen to your Thought Adjuster, Who is from Me, and is Me, Who lives within each of you, and Who will let you know what is important in a short time that you live your human life. Your Adjuster is your guide, and it is important that you become familiar with how you can draw closer to Me. I am your Father Who awaits you, after your long traveling through the spheres from sphere to sphere and learning your lessons to reach me and to approach me. I am your Father, your Universal Father, and I decided that all my children return to me from where I send you on your eternal journey and that you come to know me in the universes that I have created for you.

My creation is made to share with everyone, and everyone can find and meet me there. Continue to seek the truth in all that is revealed about the Creator and His universe, and you will reach Me and be with Me forever in My loving peace. Work for that desired peace in your lives and for world peace, try to strive, try to work for it as best you can, because only when every man and every woman in this world desires peace and dedicates themselves to achieving peace, only then will peace come within reach, and then everyone will feel it. Everyone will feel peace, and everyone will be in peace and to help accomplishing peace by all who join forces, by all who want to work for it together. This is your Father, your Universal Father. I love you all. I leave you with my blessings, My dear children.

Elise  
Thank you, Father, thank you for speaking to us. This is Elise, and I will see if there is something else for us today, if we have more speakers.

Machiventa Melchizedek  
Yes, you have Elise, This is Machiventa Melchizedek.

Elise  
Welcome. Machiventa. Welcome to our Lightline.

Machiventa Melchizedek  
Thank you, Elise, and greetings to everyone. I am Machiventa Melchizedek, and I would like to talk a little bit about something your host Elise has been thinking about lately, and it is about the Federation. The Federation you all know about the Federation between certain local universes that have been created and established and which you have all heard about and hoped to hear more about in the future. But some time ago you were told that the Federation had been disbanded, and this message went out and shocked Ron and the listeners at that time and yet, that message was true, and Ron delivered it with all honesty, as always in his transmissions, this Federation between a group of local universes has not been permanently disbanded, but it has been suspended for an unknown time to see where it can best serve and be used as a unified cooperative body between local universes, for reasons not yet known to us and which will be decreed by the Universal Father.

As you know, each local universe is ruled by its own Creator Son. And although all Creator Sons are from the same source, the Universal Father and the eternal Son, they are all very different, just as you humans are all different from each other in appearance, in character, and divine qualities. All Creator Sons are of the same origin, but they all came into being and come into being after the First Sources and Centers arrived at a first and completely supreme Divine thought that is caused solely by their ability to unite their divine minds in the realization of a new being, representing a Creator Son with all the privileges and divine attributes of the Universal Father and the Eternal Son combined into one with the purpose of creating an individual of the Michael order of Sons, a very high rank of divine sons with the characteristic attributes of both the existential deities together.

The Sons were created specifically to create universes for themselves after a long period of training on The Paradise sphere called Sonarington and they will become the sovereign rulers of their own universes, which they are expected to bring into Light and Life, as many other Creative Sons have done before them and will do after them, still giving their universes their love and attention. The local universes are created according to the ideas and ideals of the Creator Sons and just as all Creator Sons are different from each other, their universes are also different from each other and will evolve from there depending on the decisions of each Creator Son as how to perform such a mighty task, always bound to the course of evolution, inherent in their creation. But each Creator Son is equipped with all the prerogatives he needs to fulfill this task, and each Creator Son is deity in his own universe, and knows exactly what to do in every circumstance, and does not need any help or assistance from another local universe, because they are so high in the rank of deity, they foresee in everything, and they each have their own vision to bring their special creation to fruition.

So each Creator Son has the power and ability to do whatever needs to be done for his universe, and they all make their decisions in accordance with the Universal Father to whom they have pledged their eternal allegiance, which has never been broken by any Creator Son in the Grand Universe, where local universes are still emerging. The Federation was created for cooperation between a number of local universes as a group of united universes to be fortified against any attack but proved to be not necessary for this time in evolution. However, the idea of a dominion will not be discarded, as there will be something in the future that calls for a federated universe, and the dominion is a good example to see what it can be and where it can be for and for what will play out in the future when new and young local universes are created with a new purpose and a new kind of life on it.

But right now, the dominion lies dormant until it will, if ever, be used again as a unified universe idea to serve any special use that the Universal Father has in mind. When and where all this will become reality we do not know. These ideals belong to the First Source and Center and His plan for His creation and even the Creator Sons do not know the plans of the Father, as you can easily understand. Well, this is Machiventa Melchizedek, and I hope you have enjoyed this little talk. I'm here on behalf of your Creator Son, Michael of Nebadon, and I thank you for listening. I'm asking others, invite others to say a few words if you want to add to these transmissions, and if not, Elise, you can close this light line for today.

Lemuel  
Well, hello, Elise,

Elise  
Yes. Lemuel?

Yes, please go ahead.

Lemuel  
Thank you, Elise, I would like to comment on your this transmission from Machiventa Melchizedek about the Federation, or what later became known as the dominion as I understand.

Elise  
Sure.

Lemuel  
Let me adjust my phone a minute, because you come in over a bit too loud. All right, that's fine. Yes, we all were given to understand when was it 2019, since the what happened to the Supreme Being, and even before that, Creator Spirit Nebadonia, and then the need, or the decision was taken it was necessary for a new universe age, and so many other things in recent years. Excuse me for the moment. Elise, excuse me. Where we were, we were receiving messages from Ron on a regular basis. And what I would like to say is that perhaps others of you who are listening have also noted that there is no information. There is no mention of any of this on any of the other websites producing messages from Spirit.

Well, that doesn't mean to say, of course, that what we have learned is not true. My comment is, of course, that we simply do not know. We do not know. We have taken it on as an act of faith that what we have been receiving since 2019 is true because we want it to be true. Of course, we do. But we have no real proof that the Supreme Being is no longer with us, or what has happened to the Creator Spirit Nebadonia, and the need for a new universe age and so many other things over the past, what is it now, six?, five or six years now. We simply do not know. We have received countless messages purporting to be from Spirit through Ron. And as I say, we as a family here on this discussion forum because we want them to be true, we take it as an act of faith that they are true. But the fact remains that we do not know.

The messages that you are receiving on your Lightlines recently, Elise same messages purporting to what will be in the future if man is able to do this, if man is able to do that, etc, etc, etc. And of course, we have listened to these things so many times before. What concerns me, and always has concerned me, is now. What does an individual do now? What do we know really? I only know what I experience for myself, everything else I take with a pinch of salt, but I do and always have kept an open mind, and I will continue to keep an open mind. But I find it, what is the word I want to use? I don't find it really helpful to continue hearing about some type of utopia life in the future when man has learned to do this and when man has achieved this, etc, etc, when we all know the state of the world is now.

I hope this doesn't sound negative or pessimistic, because I am not a negative or pessimistic person. I am realistic, and what concerns me is now, I would just briefly mention that any one of you who is interested to find out what has taken place here in Spain over the past week in Valencia, with a tremendous flooding and loss of life, etc, etc. When everything is taken away from you, what have you got? People look for help outside of themselves. Of course, they do naturally, because they have not been taught to look for help withinside of themselves, and I find it impossible to recognize the situation where it is like talking to children in kindergarten, but sometime in a distant future when they reach Oxford or Cambridge or Yale or Harvard and they are able to study this, that and the other. It just doesn't work. People need to know what they are capable of doing now. But in fact, we know that. Don't really we, you and I here on this forum.

What we have got, and always have had since our infancy, is our beloved indwelling Thought Adjuster and our soul growing within us, hopefully. These are things that we can identify with and and try to come to terms with and to increase our knowledge on a personal level through our own experiences, not in the hope of something wonderful in so many years into the future. We need to know what we can do now and well, whilst I'm talking about this, Elise, I would like to take this opportunity of saying to all of you that I will hold a Lightline on Wednesday if I am able to do so. At the moment, I think I will be able to do so, and I would like very much to hold a light line on this Wednesday. Well, in fact, this is all I really wanted to say, Elise, bearing in mind what you have just received from Machivent Melchizedek and so thank you, Elise, thank you for the opportunity over letting me speak. Thank you.

Elise  
Well, thank you, Lemuel, thank you for your comments. And well, I can only say that I also only know what I experience and what I experience for myself, and what I hear in these Lightlines that I bring to you and well, what we experience now, maybe we may learn differently, and when Lightlines are adjusted again I don't know. I do not know about that, but I encourage you Lemuel to hold a Lightline on Wednesday, and maybe we'll hear stories from a different side or a different view. So please, if you are able to hold a Lightline, please go ahead and let's see what happens.

Well, this is all I have received. And I'm very thankful that we got some words from the celestial side. And I do want to thank Michael of Nebadon for that, our Universal Father, and of course, Machiventa Melchizedek, who is always here to help me out, even in my personal life. Many times, he has helped me out in my in difficult times. So I'm very grateful to Machiventa Melchizedek and I want to thank all these listeners again today. I thank you for joining this Lightline, and just hope that you're taking it as I hear it today, as speaking to you under the guidance of our Celestial and Divine friends and I thank you for listening, so I will stop the recording if I can, let me see.

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NETHERLANDS iNTERNATIONAL CALL IN NUMBERS AND ACCESS CODES / Re: Lightline Netherlands International
« on: October 29, 2024, 20:15:43 pm »
Tape 1:

Elise  
Hello, everyone. This is Lightline, Netherlands International, for Monday, October 28, 2024. This is Elise, your host to welcome you all this very rainy autumn day. It's been raining all day long, and well here in the Netherlands, leaves keep falling, making my lawn look like a colorful tapestry in beautiful, typical autumn colors and shades. It's really nice to look at, but we're here to ask for a Lightline today, and we ask for guidance by our celestial friends and teachers, and we also ask You, our heavenly Father, to send Your angels to guard and care for Ron Besser. To send them to Ron to help him cope with illness, and we pray that you, all angels may wrap your angelic arms around him and keep Ron close to You.

We ask for guidance for the Lightline, without any disturbance, and we are inviting our teachers from the spirit realm to come and join this group, please. Now let's wait before we start. There's Salvador. Welcome, Salvador. We've just started, and we're waiting to meet with someone from on high to use Ron's words. Let's wait and see who will be our guest today.

Machiventa Melchizedek  
Good evening, Elise, good day for all people on the other side of the ocean. This is Machiventa Melchizedek, and I welcome you all. It's good to see this group together and well, I'm Machiventa, and I am the one who came to your planet a long, long time ago. It's over 4000 years ago, and it was before Michael of Nebadon, your Creator Son, gave himself to your world.

It was all before that time and I came because it was really necessary. Religion had been almost lost on this planet Urantia already for 1000s of years, and great philosophical or religious thinkers had all but disappeared, and there were hardly civilizations left at that time with a strong leader, whom we could regard as competent leader or teacher for large groups of people and whom we could entrust to these people, who were mostly tribes in smaller and bigger communities living all over the earth, and at that time, most of them lived in what is now called Asia and a little bit of the eastern part of Europe, and of course, spread over many parts where they found land to live on.

Still, many civilizations had come and gone, and the great leaders of old had been almost forgotten, and their philosophical testimonies and scripts, if there at all, (they) had been lost or destroyed. Rules and morals were lost and a stable or well-founded nation was scarcely to be found. The benefit of an well-educated or strict leadership was lacking, and the people were neither elevated nor stimulated to a higher way of thinking. They were never encouraged or motivated to pray to the one God. Most tribes and communities, they all had their idols, and many of them had returned to worship their old gods and symbols. So chaos and misunderstanding were commonplace in all areas where civilization was stricken by lack of leadership, and where people found it common to fight for possession of the best land and livestock.

And of course, as you know, at that time, Adam and Eve had left the planet so very long ago, there was almost nothing left what they and their children had taught to the many people who had been fortunate enough to be educated and trained by them, but fortunately, there still were plenty of hereditary traits that Adam and Eve were able to pass on, had passed on. Still inherited through human genes and people still benefit from those genes. They are still with you. So that was the time, a place had to be prepared for Michael's final bestowal which he had planned already 1000s of years ahead, and for which he had chosen your planet Urantia. 

Because of the situation, I Machiventa Melchizedek volunteered to incarnate and work under those prevailing conditions in a region that reasonably met our expectations, and although it wasn't beautiful and easy, it seemed the most suitable for my incarnation where, at the time, there were tribes led by well-trained commanders and who at least had a sense of order and they were used to living in regulated communities. And they really desired for better leaders and stability, and deep down, deep down in their souls, they were longing for something that could meet their spiritual needs.

Now. We do not like to compare that time to what you are experiencing now, because times have changed so much you now belong to a completely different world order. You have also come to a different, more civilized sense of what a religion should entail. How to do politics. But on the whole, it seems the same. It seems to be the same chaos that people experienced then with a great difference in the application of your technical means and methods, and, of course, your global ability of communication, which of course, brings other dangers with it, but is extremely useful in bringing people up to date on the latest developments and news, whether it is good or bad, but it goes fast all around your world.

Nowadays, you have been facing rebellion, as has never been the case for such a long time, from all different corners, so many attacks from different sides, and for so many different reasons on the part of these insurrectionists as you have all become aware of these last years in the Lightlines. The problems We face are very serious because now We are losing many souls for the Kingdom of God. We work hard to protect those who try to keep this world of madness in a peaceful and livable condition. You all know about the many plans that have been issued over the last couple of years, none of them have really had a chance to start working or being introduced to you.

Rebellion is under control, and your planetary government is working satisfactorily, but the planet is not ready yet to receive the representatives from Spirit that have prepared themselves to work for the planet and its people, and even like to use some among you to assist us in our new to introduce ways of creating order and stability on this very overpopulated planet where people are forced to flee because they are constantly threatened by danger and unstable conditions in their living environments. They are even killed by unreliable decisions of your world leaders who cannot stop, almost lose their minds in their dominant possession and expansion of power.

Well, I am again Machiventa Melchizedek and I am on your world, and again, We are trying to break that situation, which is hardly possible because of the tremendous political events that dominate your nations. But that doesn't mean that we do not like to arrive here to do what we intend to do, and I tell you that much of what you have been told and promised will come before your eyes when things are more quiet and people can walk the streets again in a normal way to go about their business, after a long and turbulent time, when everyone will finally come to their senses and are willing to listen to something far more important and that is the coming of your Lord Jesus.

Jesus will address the population then. He will speak to all nations and oh, boy, will they listen. Will they be surprised what is being told and what is being expected of every citizen around the world. I am Machiventa Melchizedek, and together with my brother Melchizedeks, we are ready to guide this planet into what it should be and should become. A planet learning and growing in accordance to the will of the Father and in honor of the local universe of Michael of Nebadon, and that will be made known to everyone on this earth. Difficult times may arise, but we count on all of you to not give up, to work towards the recovery of your planet and all the people on it; who are your brothers and sisters, as they always will be on your journey through the universes that are available to you, where you will find and live truth, beauty, and goodness of God, your Universal Father. Remember that. This is Machiventa Melchizedek. I thank you all for listening and I step back.

Elise  
Thank you, Machiventa Melchizedek, thank you. Okay, this is Elise, and I'm looking at the, my screen, and I see that Jose Vargas has joined us. Welcome Jose. Okay, lets just see if there is someone else who would like to say some words to us.

Jesus  
Hello, Elise, and everyone who is present at this Lightline. It is Jesus. I greet you. I love you, who are here this Monday, and I have a message for everyone, so listen carefully. Times and circumstances have changed our program, as you know, Ron is ill. I'm coming to you, Elise, to give you this message. All preparations and promises we have made are still valid. Yes. I tell you we still plan to appear on this planet. It is too important. Many schedules have been made and are in place for a long time for a landing on your world. A world, so important to Me to return to, to fulfill My promises. You…………..

(long silence then discussion with listeners which is not noted herein)

Elise
Okay, give me a minute in stillness. Just a second.

Michael of Nebadon  
Yes, this is Michael of Nebadon, does everyone, is everyone connected? Can I hear something from your listeners?

Robert  
Yes, this is Robert.

(more discussion not noted herein)

TAPE 2

Elise  
Okay, well, let's try it. Well, thank you, Michael.

Michael of Nebadon  
Yes, this is Michael of Nebadon, Elise, and other listeners. Something weird has happened, and you are not to be blamed for that, but just sit back. Hold on. I am your Creative Father. I am Michael of Nebadon, and you have just heard Jesus speak, let me add something to that so you have a quite normal Lightline when you paste the two together. Besides being your Creator Father, I am also your brother through Jesus, who made me experience life as a human being on this world. You do not need to see me. I am always with you. I am close to you and we, we are always connected. Please talk to me. I'm here for you whenever you need me or desire to be with me. So be calm. Sit back and feel my presence. Feel my love. You're in my circuit, which is my signature, and proves that I'm with you.

Close your eyes for a moment and try to see Me in My light. My light would blind you if I showed myself fully to you. I can manifest myself in many different ways, through sight, through sound, or feelings that touch your body or mind and make you aware of Me. I am the God of my universe, the local universe of Nebadon. I may do as I please, but I will always act in accordance with the will of my Father, as you all do in your efforts to draw closer to God, our Father in Paradise.

Begin your days by greeting Me, by acknowledging My name for I am your Father, Brother who wants you to think of Me. Work with Me and worship with Me, our Holy Father in heaven. Be willing to follow His will and prove that you are a child of God, allowing God to live through you. To take your hand and guide you through life, with all its challenges and trials, and to learn your human lessons and to remain steadfast, to overcome all barriers and obstacles, together with Me, Michael of Nebadon. You have been given freedom of thought and action. Use it well, and listen to the divine voice within and you will be helped to overcome all trials of life, as I had to do when I lived in the flesh and was tried by the many trials that I encountered in my life on Earth. Much help is being given to each of you. Just call upon Me.

Do not forget the spiritual side of life, which is so connected with the material but sometimes the human mind is only focused on the material and has no idea of what else is present and so close in and around him. So stay alert to any change or maybe a little prompt that you may notice. It could be a sign from Spirit to ask for your attention, and it could even be a warning to not make mistakes or to save you from mishaps or accidents. Many spirit beings accompany you on your path through life, and they stay with you in your next experiences as a morontial being after you leave this world and where your soul will take you up and place you where you belong, according to what you have learned on your planet of birth.

So stay on the right path and stay close to Me, for I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life as Jesus is for all humans who believe in Him. Jesus and I are one in Christ Michael, fully and completely as one being. Follow Jesus and become like Him in all He is now and forever as children of both of your Creative Father and the Universal Father on Paradise. This is Michael of Nebadon. This is all I have to say. And Elise, you may wrap up this session, if you like. We love you, My faithful children. Be good and have a good day. Bye-bye.

Elise  
Thank you, Michael, thank You so much. Thank You so much for coming and saving the Lightline. We thank You for Your words and for being with us. Well, I think we should really wrap up this session, as Michael advised us to do, and well, I thank you for being here and for your patience. I don't know what to do about the computer I have been using, but I will look into this because I remember we had some problems last week. But thank you all, and hopefully, we'll see each other again, maybe tomorrow. I don't know if Dominick is holding a Lightline, but we'll see. I'm going to unmute you all, and I'm saying goodbye to you, bye-bye, till next time.

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NETHERLANDS iNTERNATIONAL CALL IN NUMBERS AND ACCESS CODES / Re: Lightline Netherlands International
« on: October 22, 2024, 10:52:27 am »

Elise  
Hello everyone. This is Lightline Netherlands International for October 21, 2024. I'm Elise, your host, and I welcome everyone who has tuned in to the Lightline to see if we can have some contact with our spiritual leaders and teachers whom we invite to be with us today. Let us pray and ask the Father for His blessings, specifically for Ron Besser, our dear friend, and for all who suffer and need God by their side, may they receive strength to face life's trials and trust their care in the hands of the Father whose will may be done. We are asking for a clear reception of Your word Father and to help us in our efforts to bring those words to them who long to receive them. Thank you, God, our Father. Well, let's see if there is anyone who would like to speak to us and could tell us something. I invite Spirit to come and address us today on this Lightline.

Machiventa Melchizedek  
This is Machiventa Melchizedek, Elise.

Elise  
Welcome, Machiventa, welcome. You're so very welcome.

Machiventa Melchizedek  
Well, thank you. I want to speak to all today in these unusual times as you experience on your world. I cannot say much, but as you know, there have been many warnings issued in recent months and years, but people seem unwilling to distinguish between what is important for them and for the planet. The United States is busy with the upcoming elections and hoping for strong and wise leadership, but you all know that the elections are not going as usual, and many mistakes or even wrong decisions will be made, and that will cause a lot of problems.

But yes, you have a planetary government that has been functioning well and will continue to do so until the Magisterial Sons, decide to consult with Mantutia, your Planetary Prince, and with Michael of Nebadon, your rightful sovereign of the universe of Nebadon, the One who has complete control over His status as the highest authority. I am Machiventa Melchizedek not as a planetary manager, but as an associate of Michael of Nebadon and a liaison to various high officials who all come together as experienced planetary counselors and advisors to prepare Urantia for future work under the leadership of the Magisterial Sons who need to adjust their strategy.

We ask for your patience and to stay the course during these difficult times for the future of Urantia, and more than you know, which is at stake in all that is now unfolding as new leaders come to the fore and the governments of your world adopt a new progressive and disastrous course which will return the world to earlier times before democratic rulers began to take over the governance of many of your countries. So stay alert to what appears to be a time of freedom and progress, but is in fact becoming a time of oppression for all. This is Machiventa Melchizedek, and that is all I can tell you today.

We are asking you to continue to pray and hope for men and women who can bring a wise and good implementation of what is considered well for society but is losing its roots in a society where man has lost all confidence in his leaders and lack of means to come forward with strong leadership, which is so desperately needed on this planet today. When we can, We will keep you informed. When we have the opportunity, we will bring you short messages. Stay together, you people on this forum and We watch over you. Thank you for receiving Me. I am Machiventa Melchizedek, and I am leaving.

Elise  
Thank you, Machiventa Melchizedek, thank you for this message. Is there anyone else who would like to speak to us?

Elise’s Thought Adjuster  
Yes, Elise, this is your Adjuster, and I speak for all and to all who are attending this session, and for all who will be able to hear these words, spoken or recorded in any form. Greetings to all.

Elise  
Our greetings to you, Adjuster, please go ahead.

Elise’s Thought Adjuster  
Well, thank you, Elise. I am your Adjuster, but I'm representing all Adjusters that are with you here on this Lightline. You are all children of God. Each individual is a manifestation of God who created you. All Adjusters are God. We are in you and with you to guide you on a long path of learning and experiences you gain through the many forms of material, morontial, and spiritual life that lead you to the purpose of your creation, and that is your return to your Creator. Everything that comes from God returns to God. Not one thing that God has accomplished, whether created or otherwise animated, everything that comes from God will always return to its origin, which is God.

God preserves what He has created and He allows great freedom through a steady evolution for all that lives and all the implementation of energy in its many forms. God, created powerful beings to help govern His universe. Entities that know and do exactly what needs to be done with all the different forms of energy in action while God maintains control over the existence and design of His universe. He is the one who is above all. But whenever and wherever possible, the Creator has given leadership and control to others. He has placed trust in many of His wonderfully created individuals to perform great and momentous deeds, but never will any of His children, high or low, be able to create or change.

His creation belongs to Him, the God who brought into being the universes and beyond and gave them form and purpose, you and every one, along with the many intellectually gifted beings, can be part of God's kingdom, which is called the kingdom of heaven, and which is the kingdom of God, which he lovingly shares and administers in trust with all his benevolent children. God's immeasurable love ensures that each of His children strives to love Him and spread love to experience what life can be like in all facets. You have all come to know your Adjusters and discovered Him as the one closest to you. You have reached out and grown closer to God who resides in you since you were a little child, and now you can make full use of Him in any circumstance.

The contact between God and His children is something extremely wonderful. It is not found in everyone today, but that will change as man becomes more conscious through spiritual education, and as human consciousness increases through the realization that one can live in full contact with God, and when God consciousness becomes normal among the people of Urantia. All humans who receive an Adjuster are greatly helped by His divine indwelling and the Father's presence and all benefit greatly from what is given to them. For the Adjuster is always working with you, whether you notice it or not, and many people have reached the point where the Adjuster works powerfully through them and has brought men to an advanced spiritual state without being aware of the divine fragment within them. But blessed are those who have learned and trained themselves to be openly connected to their Adjusters, for they are able to communicate with the Adjuster and experience a great sense of spiritual joy in communicating with Spirit.

And this is what every human has received from the Creator, and with these qualities man will come to know his Creator and reach Him in his search for God who calls all His children back to Himself to share in His glory and to give them a place and to function in His kingdom, and when you use the qualities you have been given, you can do almost anything for you will be equipped for everything in your life, to get the experiences you need and to reach your Father on Paradise, which is the goal and aspiration of every human being on every planet, with creatures endowed with reason and free will to find a way and to know the truth, the beauty, and the goodness of God.

I'm still the Adjuster, and I want to say this: God has given you everything you need, in mind and free will, and with those gifts and the presence of the Adjuster, you will learn to the fullest of your potential and build the experience throughout your life to act wisely and come to a point where you become an experienced spirit being. We the Adjusters, always work closely with you to assist you with your questions or concerns. We feel your emotions because we are constantly connected to you. It cannot be otherwise. We have known you for a long time. We have lived with you since you were very young, and have entered your spirit, guiding you in your choices and determinations. But we are not the ones who determine your choices. Your choices are yours. Your decisions always prevail. It is up to you how you do the Father's will, just as Jesus did when he was on Urantia and living a human life.

We are permanently with you and guide you as We notice your valuable choices that will guide you further on your ascension career. We are not your teachers or your ministers. We are from the Father, and we help you to get back to the Father. In all your efforts to reach the Father, We never give up lending you Our attention in Our sacred mission to lead you to God and encounter Him in His full glory and majesty. And you can trust and count on your Adjusters. We are real, and We come from God, and we are God, and We work through God. Ask God,. remember that. Read your Urantia Book and study Who we are and what We do for all people living a life on an inhabited planet with God within them, the same and only God who gave you life for the special purpose of finding Him and meeting Him as your Father, Creator on Paradise.

We Adjusters guide you with divine power. We nourish you with divine wisdom to develop you into a child of the Father. Do never lose faith or give up in your search for what is real and divine. Your life is in the hands of God, your Creator, and Ruler of a vast universe that exists and that will expand according to His plans. Be with your Adjuster and talk to your Adjuster as we are talking to you now, enjoy every hour of your day, and give love to others. The more you give, the more you receive. What you send out comes back to you in abundance. These are the words that Jesus taught his disciples and sent them out to do.

Every day, when you wake up, take time to greet the Divinity within you and recognize the joy that comes from being able to listen and to even speak to your Adjuster For We are very much a part of you and will always be with you to teach you the best and most divine ways to live your life, to grow your soul in a joint effort to reach God your Father through the most appropriate ways to live your life in accordance with His will, by caring for yourself as well as for your brothers and sisters who try to pursue the same goal in their lives by strengthening divine contact with their Adjusters. So approach Us as such.

How do you think about yourselves? How do you perform best? These questions have not been asked before, and you do not have to answer them, but it is good to think about them because it's important to know yourselves before knowing others whom you might judge differently after learning about yourself, because self-knowledge is important for improving your attitude, increasing your consciousness, and awareness for your spiritual growth, and the discovering that you can always do better than you do. How do you go about getting to know yourselves? By sitting in silence with your Thought Adjuster. We are your guide and know you in everything you think and do. We know your thoughts, and We know the best about you and how to progress in your quest for spiritual development and growth. Turn within and be still. Seek your Adjuster. For the Adjuster will always be found.

The destiny of your life on Earth is to find God in the depths of your soul. And your soul will blossom like a fully opened flower displaying its beauty, radiating with happiness, and showing that you are daughters and sons of God your Father. Do not grieve for others you love for they have been given the same as you and they are moving toward their divine purpose to fully reveal the qualities you have all received from Father, and you will find them in your heart that beats before God. Take advantage of the opportunities that bring you into the Father's deepest secrets and approach the Adjuster as your best friend with reverence and the assurance of love. Open your hearts and show that you are children of your divine Father, who loves His children as only a Father can.

Always see God within yourselves. Work, play, and pray with the Adjuster and we will give you the assurance to experience your life fully. We are God in you. Do not forget to honor His name and walk with Him in the difficult hours and adversities you encounter on your path. We are Adjusters and Our divine power will flow through you and support you in every trial on the way to the Father. He will welcome you with open arms. You have all become increasingly aware of the greatness of God and what He means in your lives. All of you who are members of this forum or those who listen to the words spoken here, all have come to realize the existence of your Creator, and you have learned to appreciate life better because you have heard much more than you will ever learn through reading books, scripts, and other literature that you will discover.

You have come to realize that you are all an important part of what your heavenly teachers have taught you over these many years, and you have come to a better understanding of the vastness and glory of God's creation. For many words have been spoken, lessons learned, and many Divine Personalities and even Deity has been presented to you, and although you may not always understand what is being said, it will stick in your mind, and you will understand the meaning of it much later, as your mind continues to expand and you enter the morontial worlds that you have not yet experienced. For your life on a material planet is the first step, and people grow up in many different circumstances that teach them about life.

But life begins again when you leave this world and can freely explore the more spiritual ways of learning and interacting with other people who come together from worlds like yours and discover that you all have the potential to become co-creators with the Creator. There is a path you must follow to reach the full flowering of your soul's growth. Strive for the best, but the best is already within you. Be very grateful to God your Father for what you have been given, an opportunity to become like Him in your search for truth, beauty, and goodness.

This is the Adjuster. We all accompany you, each of you, on your journey to the Father in the heaven of heavens. So, well my dearest, go and continue on your way, seek God, seek your sisters and brothers who are willing to come along and have the courage to live and be truly blessed. We, the Adjusters, are always with you in your joys and in all trials you have to face. This is the Adjuster of Elise, speaking. I am leaving you with much love and trust to continue your ways as you are so courageously showing us. I wish you a very good day. We thank you.

Elise  
This is Elise. Thank you, Adjuster and all Adjusters who were present here today. Thank you for your beautiful words. It's very encouraging. Thank you so much. Okay, this is Elise. Let me have a look at the dashboard if it's working. I see we have some people who came to join us, Amado, Salvador, George Huber, Roger Krupa, Jose Vargas, Donna and Larry Whelan. So we have a whole group together. I'm very grateful you all try to to call in and after some difficulties we had this Lightline going. I am not expecting any other words after these words from our Adjuster and I would like to thank you for listening, and I want to stop the recording for today and we'll then go to Dominick for another update. Thank you so much, and I hope to see you all next week. Thank you. Bye-bye.

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AUDIO TAPE Links - Comments - Schedule inside / Re: Tues LL 10.01.24 ARTHURA Pillars of Governance Columns 1-8
« on: October 02, 2024, 13:36:52 pm »

  • 100124 Audio Tape Lightline USA; host: Dominick Ohrbeck
  • Subjects: committees once established become oligarchies, the executive, legislative, and judicial are the three inspired parts of a government and represent the first three pillars/columns, columns 4 - 8 are described, eschatology of current as above so below times we are living, Dominick discusses our divisions; Q & A
  • Speakers: Arthura 
  • Transcribed By: RAZ ( I welcome corrections - message me )
  • Link To Tape: https://www.conferencecalling.com/recordings/1528070/251848/VCISPREC02_251848_20241001_110154

Dominick  
All right, welcome to Tuesday Lightline here in a exciting October 2024. It's already exciting because we have announced a change of the regular Lightline schedules and a possible disruption to our normal rhythm of these Lightlines as soon as next week, and we continue the rest of this week's Lightlines ending with Lemuel on Wednesday and anyone else throughout the week, such as Clency, who typically takes Friday when he transmits for Lightline.

So let's just say well before we start with our prayer, I just want to say that as a rather new transmitter in the public sphere, I welcome the break and change. I think, given the vital volatility, volatility of what's going on in the world, that it's very difficult as a transmitter, and in my perspective, to not fall into subconscious or what I consider issues of the day, and try to defer to whatever is coming through on the spiritual end. So personally, I thank the deities and Michael and Salvington and all universe authority who provides the privilege and capacity and ability to transmit at all and certainly deliver them in an organized manner, like a program like this, on behalf of Michael and with the capacity of our Father within. Put the mic a little closer.

So let's start with a quick prayer to our Father and our Lord Jesus and Michael. Thank you and amen, for those who like to end with that. Before we get into anything super serious and on point, I'm reminded of some fleeting, experiential moments that we all wish to share, but we definitely have in a unity of experience, but not a uniformity of the event in our lives, when we become more than just spiritually conscious, but God conscious, and then furthermore, Deity conscious, and deity becomes the relationship of all types of facets of God and a vast universe of meaning and purpose to our lives and belonging to a love that until that point, is hypothetical and philosophical and such a born again experience is a very joyous occasion and very personal, and I think spiritual capacities to relive that at any moment and recall that.

So we just remind each other why we're here and ultimately these Lightlines have a dual purpose, depending on how you enter the orbit of this material in that you are, or we all are, on a different timeline of this type of experience. And then when we extrapolate that to the planet, we learn that the planet as an institution does not function with this type of universal experience, both officially and unofficially, and that there are serious contentions around the motivations of each other, depending on that experiential moment in time, people are on, and then collectively, we're on.

I welcome Salvador, we're a few minutes in. So with that caveat, the key word today started off with the word committee, that's C, O, M, M as in Mary, I, T, T, as in Tom, E, E, committee. Committee. And this seems to be associated in modern times, and dating back as far as you wish to go to the concept of oligarchy. Now we can easily, 

Arthura  
And this is Arthura stepping in. I wish to hijack the transmitter's line so he can freely speak. Today, we will talk about politics, not but freely extrapolate the lesson to your lives therein. A committee is almost a sure synonymity, or equivalent to an oligarchy in Urantia history. Anytime you have a committee, you have, by definition, delegated some authority, which is natural for things to get done. However, when committees solidify their power and institutionalize themselves, they inevitably become an oligarchy.

Every government institution in the world has some form of national committee that represents a faction and power. Now in communist states, you have an all-encompassing committee, and in democracies, you have various committees of political parties, and all are under a unison of coalesced budding world institutions that claim to unite these nation-states and their economies, which for all intents and purposes are functional oligarchies. And in America, you just need to look at the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee. As each committee declares the other tyranny over the other, we remind you that democracy is democratic and that most democracies are not purely democracy, but republic, and the republic in a democracy has those three inspired functions of a legislature, an executive, and a supreme court.

But that the democratic aspect is that the officials that ought to be most in charge of those bodies of republican governance when I say republican, it's republic, not the faction, but that these officials are elected. A quick recap is that the legislature proposes and drafts the law, and they also have the power of the purse. The executive has a check on that process and veto power, and also has emergency military power over the borders and nation-state makeup of the geography controlled by this republic, or in some cases, a whole state governed by a committee. The courts determine the rulings of those laws when they are contested, and they also rule on the appeal of any rulings in the lower courts.

Those three bodies are symbolically represented by columns on a building which would give you the icon for government. The triangle over the three pillars was a platform underneath those pillars, and the columns represent governance. Now the fourth column here in the United States is considered a couple of things. One would be the first amendment in the Constitution, and the other would be the unofficial duty of the press, the fourth, considered the fourth column, and we submit to you that the fourth column is something that takes precedence over the issue of abortion.

Dominick  
This is Dominick, does, let me check if that was what you wanted to say, Arthura?

Arthura  
Yes, we will, we will qualify that by supplementing that the reason for that statement is that abortion is not a column in governance. It is not to relegate one issue over the other and remove the agency of any particular voter with particular values, but to say something provocative that clearly juxtaposes when it comes to policy of governance that the fourth column are those things where the check and balance of government is the freedom of speech, officially and unofficially. Unofficially, equating to the grassroots citizen level, and the other end of the spectrum of an institutional level, but that that spectrum is needed to be safeguarded by the laws which would get worked out in the courts.

So when you look at elections coming up, you can see how the more or less executive branch, even on a global level of those global institutions, you should think about how they are approaching the fourth column of governance, and whether that is being done by committee or by democratic means. The fifth column now becomes a little different. The fifth column is considered all of what has been summed up in modern times recently as the deep state. And here you have, you could say Hollywood glorifying the fifth column, but mixing it up to the point that they are literally telling you in the last five to 10 years that good is bad and bad is good, and we don't know who is on the right side of anything anymore, as the classic cold war dichotomy melted away and a new world order is either filling a vacuum or going according to plan, depending on your perspective.

When we continue and go into the sixth and seventh columns, the sixth column would correspond to a science fiction work that this demographic of Lightlines might be familiar with, meaning 50 and over, and that would be the Day After Tomorrow which is a science fiction or fictional novel of this cold war conflict extrapolated into almost a game of function, type of nomenclature of modern times, where super scientific, electromagnetic bioweapons are used against a race of communists, east and west, almost. But that would be an example of a delving where we're evolving to when we reach the eighth column of today's lesson. But the sixth column starts to delve into those metaphorical lands, and the seventh column in modern culture begins to delve into the binary distribution of good and evil, Lucifer versus Gabriel, but around the battlefield meme of workers or soldiers or citizens. The point is a mass appeal to unite and either save the planet, conquer the planet, unify the planet, etc, etc, but it is a rally call to unity which is one of the pillars of the rebellion manifesto, which rebels against original universe governance and wishes to set up its own committee over and rule over this planet.

Now I want you to switch and turn on your visual mind. We're simply going to describe this seventh column as a type of wave. Now think of the wave when you visualize an earthquake machine measuring they are measuring waves, and the needle goes all over the map. Now, in perfect time and space harmony, which would be equated to coherence the wave represents a sine wave, an oscillation, the harmonious up and down waves of equal proportion, an equilibrium of inhale and exhale, and so on and so forth. Now the rebel and its postmodern type of logic creates a different type of wave, but tells you you're looking at a sine wave. But it is not a sine wave.

It is called a sawtooth wave. And a sawtooth wave starts from the bottom and crescendos to the top and then falls off a cliff back to the bottom and it is not a curved wave. In this sense does the sawtooth wave represent a tool of breaking things up, disruption. It could serve a positive purpose. In medicine, for example, it would break up stagnant structures and release a freer flow of energy, and healing of things that were stuck. It might be a way to attack a virus. But in social science terms of governance columns and the realms of the supernatural and super material, the sawtooth wave is the expression given to rebellion governance, and they destroy you, if you don't call it a sine wave, it is the rebels sine wave.

But the objective truth of original universe governance convicts it of being a sawtooth wave, and it is not a sine wave. This brings us to the eighth pillar, and we're going to end it at the eighth pillar because if we went on to a ninth, 10th, and 11th pillar and so on, we would be accused of following esoteric, magical systems and this is not so. For we can effectively end the speech on the eighth column, which is another advanced word. We used epistemology in the last Lightline and today's advanced e word is eschatology, E, S, (C) H, A, T, O, L, O, G, Y. Now this is not such an advanced word when explained, but it deals with the human cultures viewpoints, both believed, but culturally educated, also to indoctrinate a world view of what the future missions that we propose to be broadcasting about from above to you, in terms of these volatile times you live in right now, even heading into next week, very much trigger, if not represent, to some, the eschatological prophecy of their cultures.

Think I am wrong? Look at the Olympic opening ceremonies of the white horse. You need not blame evangelical Christians. You need not blame a Shia Muslim. You need not blame a Hindu, and you need not blame the end times of the Jews. We will be all of those things and none of those things but the eschatological need to define the events in their eyes will be evident in the early moments of the bond of anything visible. Until then, you are left to your own competition. But essentially the eighth column of governance is influenced by a culture within a nation-state, if not the globalist world committees who have a particular eschatology, but should be influenced by what you should detect as sons of God, whether or not that committee will allow you to flourish or seek to destroy you.

Those are powerful words, but understand our contention is that your well or ill-meaning motivations of global committees and national committees and local surrogates of such committees are unified by the culture of the fifth, sixth and seventh and eighth pillars of a shadow governance casting a pall over not just one planet, but many planets and neighboring planets, creating an intergalactic culture  We as original universe governance, have been gaslighted by our own policies, by rebellion governance in that our policy is to quarantine rebellion. So indeed you have been suppressed, not oppressed.

You, ironically, must decide for yourselves when we say to you, this was a necessary policy of Paradise Sons and Trinity function, not just Michael of Nebadon's decision. But that you could chase your tail in following the contentions of rebellion governance, which seems to correctly point out the oppression of Paradise rule by isolating your planet and allowing evil to flourish. But the rebel does not win by blaming all that they have caused on the policies of the Paradise Sons. The Paradise Sons are the ones who reestablish original universe governance and give you the blueprint for a democratic republic of a planet, and the only committees left are the advisory roles of divine governance.

Dominick  
Are there any questions? Thank you, Arthura. Are there any questions? We're at 2:34 (p.m.) and we welcome Jose and George H, welcome. It's 2:34 (p.m.) you can press five star to raise your hand. Donna and Larry, welcome. You just missed the opening, and we've just covered, we've just opened it up to Q and A if need be. Hi, Valerie, go ahead. You're unmuted.

Valerie  
Thank you. I'm not very versed with politics, so I would like clarification on this term democratic republic, because now that we have those two parties always against one another, and then it is this terminology of incorporating both. So I'm not quite understanding that.

Dominick  
Okay, so the end, the end result of a global governance. Go ahead. Just a second, I'm going to unmute you after I get Arthura, okay Valerie?

Valerie  
Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

Dominick  
Please, Arthura, or anyone else, go ahead.

Arthura  
Where to start, Valerie is the concept of a planetary government. Now, a planetary government is something that has been contested bitterly by two sides of spiritual governance ever since the rebellion occurred on this particular planet, but also within the system of inhabited planets, governed by the system sovereign whose name and original rebel was Lucifer. The manifesto declared what we talked about in the seventh column that effective governance could occur, but only effectively occur if there was this unity of beings within the jurisdiction of the system to unite and join in rebellion, which obviously is given other terms, such as more legalistic and softer terms like secession or independence. In some sense, we acknowledge that committees have their place and function, but as a rebel oligarchy that has evolved on the planet, the oligarchies, either evolutionarily, are influenced by rebel spiritual culture, some of it is knowing, and some of it is just going through the rituals which the human may or may not ultimately believe in, but that sees the rituals as a method or preliminary aspect of going through the motions to attain the level of status and power they seek.

Whereas the missions and establishment of universe government will shift this type of oligarchy, committee approach to planetary rule that is guided by a sawtooth wave of rebel energy of cyclical climax and destruction and rebirth. For an energetic method of control by cyclical destruction, which is their cycle of inherent rebellion against an objective reality of the universe existing the way it does, and their Phoenix, like renewal of rebellion that's necessary to stem the tide of Paradise Deity Itself, which they do not recognize. They only see the patterns of the universe and declare that they know it's real. To have a comparison the religious experience talked about at the beginning of this Lightline is explained by the neuroscientists through the observation of what chemicals and brain sections are used being used in expressing themselves during this experience, and to claim that your religious insight, which somehow becomes etched in your permanent record of not only your soul, but also neurologically in your brain's electrochemical areas, but all the neuroscientist sees is how your brain behaved and acted possibly during that process. They infer that religious experience is nothing other than a hyperactive pineal gland and so on.

Similarly, the rebel does not recognize the Father. Does not recognize Paradise Trinity as anything other than what they objectively know, which is the Paradise rule of such Sons originating from that area outside of time and space, and that those Paradise Sons have literally created and are their Creator Father. But ultimately, some of these entities are created, as we have said, with the capability of rebellion, which comes with the supernatural ability of free will. And we only say supernatural so that you understand the difference between an entity worthy of eternity and immortality in the universe, compared to a transient entity without a will, but of a mind, nevertheless, that dies and lives through its creative mechanisms as a species. And so to come back to it, the committee word is both at the beginning of this talk, spoken about in how the rebel government of oligarchy has reformed rebellion governance and its rebellion against original universe governance and ultimately does not rule by a Democratic Republican type of governance, but masquerades as such through the fifth, sixth and seventh and eighth columns of a committee.

Dominick  
Thank you, Arthura, all right, you're unmuted. Valerie, I hope that helped.

Valerie  
Thank you very much. Yes, this is a fascinating Lightline. I believe I have to read it and meditate some more. I will have more questions, but right now, I don't, because just have a deep impact. You know, I prayed about it to understand that the aid or these dark entities are partaking in the government because there are just, I noticed that there are so many layers, like this morning in the news, I have read about FEMA calling out to those who need assistance after the hurricane. So there's so many good initiatives coming from the government, but yet we have, we do see so many dark sides of secret agendas also. So I believe that I have received the answer, but needs some digestion, and I thank you very much, Arthura, and thank you, Dominick.

Dominick  
Thank you, Valerie. All right, the lines are open. We thank Valerie for her question, and thank you Arthura for that answer. Now we don't get more unless we get questions. I can talk all day, every day about my own experience, but why should you be subjected to that? As I said in the beginning. I know many of you have questions, and I don't know what answers I'll get, which helps all of us, but we are since we have the absence of questions at this time. Always. I'm laughing because I got one as soon as that happened. Go ahead, Valerie.

Valerie  
I just want to tell you, Dominick, that the scripture says that by the testimony of the saints they have overcome, that means people who must overcome certain things. So your experiences are very welcome. And I remember from the early times when I have heard experiences of believers they were they were very important to me in building my faith. So I just want to encourage you to share your experiences.

Dominick  
All right. Well, thank you. You know, all right. So thank you, Valerie, and we welcome Lemuel back to the call. The, well let's just go with a bit of current events to put the eschatological into context. I believe the, excuse me, that's my, that's me hitting the sign, we have about 40,000 I believe, troops in the Middle East right now, the US, and Biden calling for a ceasefire. Oh, weydevu. I know you're not on the call, but I know you've asked in the past some of these questions. I'm just riffing at this point.

I don't know if I have a tie into all this, but these are some events going on. You have the collapse of the real estate market in China. And I think they've done what every central bank has always done in such a collapse, except China goes to extremes when they do it. So I believe they're printing money like nobody's business and if you look at a line chart compared to the rest of the nations doing such things, it doesn't represent a natural progressive line, but an exponential off the chart line. For those who hold stocks, that's a good sign, there will be commodities and bubbles, and stocks will go up, and the oligarchy will tell us that the economy is great, and the rest of us in the lower classes who weren't part of the investment class, which in the world is not nearly as many people as we assume they are. The rest of us are going to experience even more inflation, and as we have these global conflicts, you can sure bet that the supply chain will also be disrupted.

The reason I mentioned you weydevu, and even though you're not on the call, you asked about, I think, some geopolitical questions before, and as we come up on this next week of the anniversary of October 7, I believe I've talked in other Lightlines, some of those geopolitical events leading up to such a thing. You had, not only the Abraham accords almost coming into effect with Saudi Arabia officially recognizing Israel, but you had, since the course of 2013 the fifth column influencing the fourth, third, second, and first columns of the Ukrainian government and those factions of the DNC and global supporting things of that, I suppose, are the factions responsible for those type of events.

Now we're on the precipice of World War Three, and if you care less about that than you do about abortion rights, then good on you but that's not the way I personally feel about it. Many others don't. I believe every American household seems to be split right down the middle on this. 2709 in some respects, is no exception. In that sense, Ron is a red coat. He loves his crown and he loves the executive functions of the government that's in their policies that are in power and I've spent my time since I've been here complaining and railing against the fourth column that he digests every day, and that, when I tell him a policy of this and that, he says; well, yeah, that's bad.

But like a lot of, like everybody else in the demographic of 50 and over, you watch legacy media, and everyone 50 and under is no longer watching television. They are getting all their media through other means, and the fourth column no longer exists the way it does in that the election policies and issues around even the very definition of things, certainly is dealing with the First Amendment. And this goes back four years, even with the pandemic, we're dealing with immigration, and as the Haitians declare that they're willing to take the food processing jobs from us, lazy, cigarette-smoking, football-watching Americans, and that's good on them, because that's the way America has been working since food processing. But the oligarchy of food processing declares that that's the way we should eat, and the oligarchy of whether you should be able to grow your own garden says you can't do any of that because the world is too hot and climate change and so on and so forth.

And if you even talk about it, you're spreading disinformation, do you see folks where this is going and what this occurs, and what this happens is you will have an American Renaissance of the citizen railing against an overauthority of the executive. Because it's the executive who when it doesn't get what it wants, is revising all the other pillars of governance. Now that is not a transmission. That is my last say-so before we head into this drastic month and we pray that we get anything. We welcome anything from Spirit and we're unified in our spiritual experience that gives us the ability to cooperate, I think, without it, without that, we just say we can cooperate, but that's purely animalistic behavior of self-interest.

True, altruistic cooperation comes from our super material endowments of God. But how we use that needs original universe governance. You need that aspect as well, to have just the Fifth Epochal Revelation, or a Bible, or anything else of a book of a canon of religious education to help a culture perpetuate its Code of Conduct and ethics and beliefs from one generation to the other is just that, and eventually it degrades, over time, into these human factions which would inherently gravitate towards the committees set up long time ago by the rebels. The Fifth Epochal Revelation is no exception, as its leadership apparatus continually seeks the approval of global oligarchical institutions like the UN and so does any other religion. Look at what Vatican, Vatican Two did, or look at how that gets rejected by other eschatological religions like Islam, which does not compromise at all and instead seeks to establish a religious caliphate wherever they habitate.

Ironically, you have, and this is just my opinion based on observation as far as current events go, you can easily have an October surprise, because politically, when Netanyahu was in the States, Kamala didn't, didn't sit by him when he gave, when he addressed Congress. I don't know how much she met with him, but that was symbolic, whereas Netanyahu went to Trump's Mar-a-Lago and was smiling. Now the recent trip with Zelensky equally, had a press conference with Kamala reading a speech and reading a policy, whereas Zelensky stood by Trump and fielded questions together. One message was perpetual, was the winning of a war under the principles of the conflict, which is marked by, I could remember this conflict well because that's a few months before I moved out here. It's easy to remember that way. It's my historical marker that I moved out here in October, you could say, and in February of the next year that war started. And here we are now, four (2 & 1/2) years later and we have allowed, as a country, the export of our military assistance to be offensive into the state of Russia.

Now this is all a long-winded thing by saying, what did you expect if Russia is competing against us in a proxy war, that they wouldn't work with Iran to split up an alliance aligned against it? And there's no better way you would think logically than to split NATO up by creating a conflict in Israel. Now, how does that split NATO up? It certainly would put Turkey in a bind, which I'm sure it has politically. But Turkey doesn't ever consider itself in a bind. They go in the self-interest of Turkey, but as far as NATO goes, they're not for Israel, which is ironic in the conflict of things. So there are no binaries in this conflict.

It's like a global Mexican standoff, which is a cultural term for everyone pointing pistols at each other, I believe. And that would be such a maneuver when you would trigger an event like that. So when these are simply the things we're faced with heading into this October, and if this is my last Lightline, I need to have my last word. So thanks Valerie, that's just the way I can begin to see it. If there's any more questions, feel free. We're at the end of our hour, and Lemuel, I'm going to come to you just to verify that you will indeed do your Lightline tomorrow. Lemuel, you're unmuted. How's your Lightline looking?

Lemuel  
Well, at the moment, it's looking fine and I feel I have reasons for saying this, I am certain that it's going to be my last Lightline as well, and I have a lot to say tomorrow, so I'm looking forward to it. So yes, tomorrow night, at eight o'clock, tomorrow afternoon, at two o’clock, where you are as usual. Yes, thank you. Thank you, Dominick.

Dominick  
Thank you, Lemuel. God bless and God bless you all, and we pray that we can keep it together in our households, in our nations, in our communities, and certainly in our nations. Have a good day.

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NETHERLANDS iNTERNATIONAL CALL IN NUMBERS AND ACCESS CODES / Re: Lightline Netherlands International
« on: September 30, 2024, 21:06:32 pm »
  • 093024 Audio Tape Lightline Netherlands International; host: Elise Sophia Veronica
  • Subjects: Melchizedeks are again at their places on Urantia awaiting the start of missions, the presence of Spirit on Urantia will be such that every person will know of it, Arthura continues to be present and provide support to Michael, remember that all are connected and are one, each should seek Father’s will, past cultures are important and should be taught to our children, and the Trinity and Father are one and always with us;
  • Speakers: Machiventa Melchizedek, Arthura, Gabriel, Van, The Trinity, and Universal Father;
  • Transcribed By: RAZ ( I welcome corrections - message me )
  • Link To Tape: https://www.conferencecalling.com/recordings/1528070/251848/VCISPREC02_251848_20240930_110120

Elise  
Good evening and Good day to all. This is Lightline Netherlands International. Today is Monday, 30, September 2024, I'm Elise, your host for this Lightline, and I welcome you all. Now, let's see if we can find connection with the world of Spirit and to possibly get someone to speak to this group. But first, I would ask you to join me in a prayer of sincere thanks to our Father in heaven, who is keeping this group together and provides us the opportunity to share in the things we long to hear and be a part of. Father, we thank You for Your grace and goodness to this world, a world that is not always very friendly or grateful to You. So today, we pray for those who are not aware that they can and may share their lives with You, Father, and who do not have this wonderful opportunity to hear Your voice. We pray that they may soon discover You in their hearts. Amen. Now let's be still and see if anyone from the spiritual world likes to come to us and talk to us, please.

Machiventa Melchizedek  
Good evening to you and others on that side of the globe, and good day to all others on the other side. I am Machiventa Melchizedek. I think I am largely speaking to the same group that gathered here on the Sunday Lightline with Ron Besser. I'm happy to see you all back. You're happy, a little confused, maybe after Sunday, and maybe a little suspicious too, after so many changes that have been announced over the years, months, and days. But We know one thing, We have to send the cabal home. Which means they should be eliminated, and many of them have been eliminated by now. But secretly, they keep hiding in the most unlikely places and popping up unexpectedly.

But We have the most powerful forces using against them, and they will soon be cleared, because Our work is there for a serious start again, when We will begin in full force, as We hope to see in a little while. Many, often Melchizedeks, have, once more taken their places on Urantia, and they know exactly what needs to be done first and what should be put aside for later times to look at. We, the Melchizedeks all have Our own agendas, but numerous things have come up that also require Our attention, and all of that must be done in an orderly manner so that We can be sure when We approach Urantia and its people well and with the best of intentions. For even a divine appearance that will be very different and beyond your expectations.

We have come to the conclusion that every individual on this planet will need to know about the presence of God at hand on earth, and the fact that the planet is visited and guided by celestial beings whose names you have heard for 1000s of years, but find it difficult to be confronted with and to accept as a reality. But the truth is that this is the reality that man will have to face, and We will inform every nation of our presence and tell them in due time what our missions entail. Well, sure some of your leaders and rulers will certainly object vehemently. But We have Our methods of approaching each personality and each nation, culture, and its beliefs, and We will never disturb the people in their sincere faith that pays tribute to the Creator, the one true God, and Creator of all.

I am Machiventa Melchizedek, and We want you to remain calm and not speak of the things you hear or read, because time will unfold everything, and people will become familiar with the new situations, and they will gain more confidence and believe in what is happening as the days go by, and when they see and hear what We bring in these missions, which are, of course, very strange to you, and could even be a bit uncomfortable to the people of Urantia, who are not accustomed to any contact or interference with Spirit.

I am Machiventa Melchizedek. I am in charge of the Melchizedeks present on your planet, and I can tell you that We are a large, highly experienced group, along with hundreds of our staff members for each of the Melchizedeks Who work for Michael's missions and the many other assignments that We have to accomplish on Urantia, the planet, yes, the planet where everything is different and never easy. Stay tuned to the discussion forum, and what will be announced in the coming days, or rather weeks. Ron Besser will always be the one announcing the news or other events. So be alert and stay on track. This is Machiventa Melchizedek for now, and I thank you all.

Elise  
Thank you Machiventa, thank you so much for coming and speaking to this group.

Arthura  
Hello, everyone. This is Arthura. I greet you all. Yes, I'm here. I'm still here, and I have the ability to connect. It is not hard to connect with you today. Elise, I'm here and I will remain here on the planet and around it for a long time until the planet is cleared from the evil that is still among its people that keeps the planet in a heavy mist and far removed from God, Who is your only true and divine rescue. I'm Arthura. I am dedicated to Michael and His concerns over a planet in a most complicated situation that involves so much more than you are all aware of. Of course, you are not familiar with the circumstances in the universes, but I can tell you that there are many wicked things that Michael has been trying to remove from His universe for a very long time, and the resistance He encounters from the rebels and war on your planet are great obstacles to the progress of His universe.

You hear about new decisions, new schedules that were told to you on the Lightlines. You know also, and We know much better, of the persistence of the Magisterial Sons Who are wonderful and compassionate beings, Who never give up to stand ready for the people of the planets. They are working hard for planets as yours. Urantia is one of a kind, yes, one of a kind in how people are able to destroy a planet instead of bringing their habitats to fruition. We're all very grateful for the patience and mercy that Michael of Nebadon offers you, in a time when almost no one seems to include God in their lives, where God is a forgotten person in the hearts of the people who keep thinking they can do anything they wish for themselves, but the Magisterial Sons and many other personalities on high oversee the sad situation into which the people of Urantia have fallen, so deeply rooted in selfishness that good and sustainable solutions must be found to solve the problems that have arisen.

I Arthura, have mentioned many things and given some indications for new methods dealing with society, but that is just a start to wake you up and to point out the changes that now need to be addressed, need to be discussed with your representatives of your governments. Something that is almost impossible in times of war and disagreements and on a world where peace is still far away. But people, this is what needs to be addressed or even forced on Urantia and Michael of Nebadon has decided to deal with the planet as it should be dealt with, and to get the missions going and continued as planned. I am Arthura, and I support Michael wholeheartedly in his perseverance for bringing order to his local universe of Nebadon. I will be here to assist. I'm Arthura at your service. I wish you a good day.

Elise  
Well, thank you. Thank you, Arthura. Now, this is Elise. Let's see if there are any other people from on high who would like to address us.

Gabriel  
This is Gabriel of Salvington.

Elise  
Oh, welcome, Gabriel, welcome. Please go ahead if you like.

Gabriel  
Oh, yes, I do like to speak to you people. I do like to be here. You're on a planet here that has been so far distracted from the business of the Father and from the purposes that Michael, your Creator Son, has in mind for you. I would like to tell you what is ahead of you when We work together, when We strive for better times, when We give ourselves to the Father, to His sons, and to all who work for the purpose of a better evolution on your world and other worlds. Here and there we see feeling for your brothers and sisters. You're all connected. Know that as human explorers and caretakers of this beautiful globe that has been turning for centuries, and it desires to progress in its final evolution from an experiential planet with so many life forms on it. You are all a part of it, and it's the most beautiful journey you will ever take.

You meet people you like, you meet people you dislike, try to love everyone. They all have good personalities when you learn to know them. When you leave this world, you will meet the many beautiful personalities created everywhere throughout the universes, all journeying to serve the one God and His infinite creation. I do have to call on all of you that the hour is near when you will no longer have the time to decide what to do for God's creation if you do not stop killing and exploiting your planet that has been given to you to cherish and preserve and for you to grow a worthy soul that may guide you through the trials and experiences on your way back to the Creator, your Father on Paradise.

I am Gabriel. I have known Michael of Nebadon for millions of years, and I know how Michael loves and cares for His created universe that is named Nebadon, which he maintains in His own divine rulership, but always in accordance and appreciation to the will of the Universal Father. We have oftentimes presented you with a multiple choice of opportunities and centuries of time to grow and develop yourselves and to adapt yourselves to what is yours to maintain and love. But to this day, the human races have not been willing to understand God's plans with man who is made in His image and likeness, who can ascend to the highest in his service to God, and who can fulfill God's desires that man become like God in his own reality.

Now think about this again as you return to your worldly obligations and be committed to the will of the Father, who only asks of you to be good and true as He is good, true, and beautiful. These divine attributes of the Father will help you understand who you are and what your purpose and presence is in today's world over which you have no control other than to seek and explore and live these divine qualities that will help you in your efforts to reach the truly meaningful heights of serving God by serving your brothers and sisters in the flesh. I am Gabriel. Please, always be aware of the little things that are expected of you so that you can do the great things that will be given to you to share in the responsibility of God's creation which will never cease to give you the satisfaction of being a proud child of your Father In heaven that may share in the Father's business forever. This is Gabriel of Salvington, always in service to Michael of Nebadon. Goodbye.

Elise  
Thank you, Gabriel, thank you for your words and for visiting this Lightline. Okay, let's see if there is anything else. Just give me a minute, and let me look at the dashboard and I see some other internet callers, and Roger Raz has joined us, and Charlotte has joined us, and we have 18 on the call, that includes me.

Van  
Hello, everyone. This is Van. I am passing by, and I would love to speak to you. You know me from my contacts with many of you. I have lived in different cultures on your planet. I have lived in so many different places in the universe. I have had contact with many cultures, and you may wonder if this time of turbulence and war could still be named a culture. But as you know, a culture is a style of living and behaving in a specific time frame and develops, whether with or without peace or war, on a planet, and keeps evolving throughout any given time.

I am Van, and I know much of your cultures, your world cultures. I have lived on your planet for a long time, in times of great culture, but also in times of hardly any progression. I have seen many cultures come and go while visiting on assignments. I have seen beautiful culture come to the heights of its potential, and I have witnessed declining cultures, and it is certainly worth to study those cultures today, their historians, the scientists, the artists, the buildings and constructions from earlier times that are left to inform you about the many different cultures that have been of influence through your culture you are living in now.

It would be wise to teach your children about their inheritance and to offer them readings, poetry, foreign scripts, and symbols that represent the diversity of cultures that we see on your world. Take your children back into history to learn the customs of their ancestors from whom they have evolved into what they are at this moment in history. The past, the present, and the future are all interconnected. Men learnt and gives forth again to the next generation. And so many cultures have their scripts about God, of how they praised and worshiped God in their beautiful temples and churches and how they teach you about the days of the past. By reading and writing the scripts you'll also learn about the influence God has had in history and the importance of God in the life of His people, whether today or back in the history of your planet. For your culture, today still carries the remnants of cultures that came before you. You are a product of your history and of all the former cultures on Urantia.

Man has been struggling to keep his head above water, and many times has almost drowned, but throughout time some beautiful world cultures have flourished, bringing the world a lot of good. Also, good opportunities have been lost, and steps in progression have failed, where man has not been able to maintain its culture because of sudden disinterest or geological unexpected circumstances on the planet. Lag occurs where higher cultures fail to spread their knowledge over large parts of the world, where men could have become more united if the civilization would have instructed the lower ones. But conquest was often the goal of expansion to the point of getting into war and destruction in which any culture suffers deterioration.

Part of the cultures still remain with you in your genes and you will be the bearers of new generations which have learned the lessons of the past to take you to new heights of social, economic, and scientific progression in history which will stimulate and be a wave of new sciences and new religious understanding of God in your life and culture on a planet inhabited by humans. On Urantia, it is also the living experience in your history, where people have the blessings of the incarnation of the Creator Son of Nebadon, that has changed history again and is now at a point of where to go in its future to maintain the valuable lessons for a new culture brought to Urantia by Jesus. And although it may be difficult at times to understand and to know how much you have been blessed by Michael's bestowal to your planet, you will see in times to come. Keep this in mind and inform your children about the history and morals that have made this planet of today. Your culture has taken you where the world is now, for better or worse, it is Urantia's inherited history you all live in today. I am Van. I am leaving you again, and I wish you all a good day.

Elise  
Well, thank you so much, Van. It was really nice to hear from you again. Please be back some time.

Van  
Thank you, Elise.

Elise  
Okay, Just give me a minute, because I sense there is something else, but I'm not sure. I sense something else, and it's much stronger. Just a minute.

The Trinity  
This is the Trinity. We are God. We are One in Three and Three in One. We find Our existence in each Other, and We are God; Father, Son, and Spirit as One in all power and knowledge. We are Deity. We know the beginning and the end. Our power is endless and unlimited. We are always One in all that is and forever will be. This is the truth and nothing but the truth.

Universal Father  
This is Father. I'm coming to you to make you aware that there is a tremendous power in My universe that is working for the development of creation forever continued and for all to rely on and turn to in confidence in present and future situations as you live your lives on this planet, or begin traveling through the universes that I have created to share with the many entities who are all My children, living in the realms of time and space. I am Father, the Source of all. Of you. There is none other. I am and will forever be. I am the Source. I am the Center. I am the Whole. There is nothing without Me, and there will be nothing without Me in the created universes and beyond, in the vast realms that exist where no one goes until I open them to you.

Keep your faith and never lose focus on Me, for your life is in My hands, and I will keep you close to Me. I will protect and guide you, and send you My helpers to show you the way to be with Me forever. I am your Father. Do not forget. This is Father. You serve Me well, all of you. I want you to be good to yourselves and to others who need your attention today. There are so many lonely people who start the day in solitude, they yearn for company, a person to talk to, or someone who just cares. You do not have to travel to those who are victims of war and disasters. They live too far away from you. Remember them in your prayers, but look for people around you, a neighbor or a forgotten friend. You are all humans. You need each other. You were created to form a society, to care and love one another, to create a world of peace in which each of My children can grow into a man or a woman who knows Me, who will find truth, and freely shares all you have been given.

Your world, the material creation is suffering and the people on it, it has been continuously deprived and has almost reached the end of what it can offer its inhabitants, and it's now almost made impossible for her to expand her beauty and offer the wonderful experiences of constant possibilities for a full and rich life. Instead, the planet and its people suffer from war, oppression, and poverty so visibly present on various parts on her surface, where her beauty has been taken away by drying her out, in extracting her fluids, in cutting down her beautiful forests to make way for dry land where the profits from the sales of its trees disappear into the pockets of a few, regardless of what will happen to the planet in its atmosphere.

I am your Father. I am your Universal Father, and I ask you to let your heart speak for you. Go within and seek Me, and you will discover what you can be. Do not forget Me or any of My children, for they all need health and happiness in being able to find and serve Me. All have the right to enjoy this beautiful planet, and all have the obligation to work for the unfoldment and fulfillment of their souls and that of the planet on which they find their existence. I am the Universal Father. I'm speaking here to all who have ears to hear but you live in a world where the concept of a heavenly Father has disappeared so far that most on this world do not even know I exist.

This time is a time of searching for truth that has been lost in the power of your churches that tried to honor God but have forgotten who is truly represented behind the rituals and customs of a congregation that only works for its leaders but gives little to its followers in faith. I am your Father God, and will always be, with or without church. The faith and knowledge of My being is hidden in the soul of every human being. And everyone who longs to be with Me will learn to seek Me in his own heart and know how to express their love for Me and to the people who live and work for the Father so that God will be anchored in the heart of man.

More light will come upon the earth as people begin to realize that all is One, in and through Me, and they will experience this divine connection. They will no longer hate or be jealous of each other and war will be a thing of the past. Primitive behavior will be replaced by their goodwill in bringing people together and promoting cooperation and unity among all people of all nations. I am your Father, your Universal Father. Please bow your heads before me. I am the Father, the Source of creation. Everything has its origin in Me and shall always return to Me. I am your Father. I bless you, My dear children.

Elise  
Thank You, Father, thank you so very much. Well, this is Elise, I do not think we get anything else and this was wonderful to hear from the Universal Father. And I just want to thank so many of you are who are present today and well we have some time left, and before I close off this Lightline, I do want to go quickly to you, Ron, and to see if you have anything for us because you're present here today, I have unmuted you, Ron.

Ron Besser  
Thank you, Elise. I have nothing really to add to your splendid words. I am, of course, tired of the standard routine of speeches and this was so refreshing, I'm almost asleep, not because of you, but because of the balm of the words. I thank you so much, Elise, for that beautiful lecture, that beautiful concern that you expressed through your voice today. I'm going to turn this back, it's one minute to three here, and we are going to close this Lightline down, I assume, when I turn it back. So take it away again, Elise and I thank you.

Elise  
Yes. Thank you, Ron. Thank you for your words and well, thanks to all speakers here, our Universal Father, in particular, it was beautiful to get this message from You, Father. But of course, all the other speakers, Arthura and Machiventa Melchizedek, and we had Van, and Gabriel, I think I have mentioned Them all, and of course, the whole list that's here together with me. I feel very privileged to have been able to do this Lightline. And I really didn't know that it would end up like this. It was a very beautiful ending for all of us, and I thank you, and we'll hope to see you next week. If not, we'll hear it in any new or present schedule. We'll wait for that. Thank you and goodbye.

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AUDIO TAPE Links - Comments - Schedule inside / Re: Tues LL 09.24.24 ARTHURA. Truth's impact on Governance
« on: September 25, 2024, 09:16:06 am »
  • 092424 Audio Tape Lightline USA; host: Dominick Ohrbeck
  • Subjects: subjective & objective truth and its impact on governance in time-space Ascension & Descension, transmission is a function of communion in spiritual communication, and our human governance and constitutional guidelines need to be reframed;
  • Speakers: Arthura, Machiventa Melchizedek, Universal Father, Monjoronson, and Marian Rowley;
  • Transcribed By: RAZ ( I welcome corrections - message me )
  • Link To Tape: https://www.conferencecalling.com/recordings/1528070/251848/VCISPREC02_251848_20240924_110051

Dominick  
Welcome to Tuesday Lightline, everyone. This is Dominick, your host, and it's September 24, 2024, and we're hosting these Lightlines. So we say a quick prayer to our Father, and Michael, and our Lord Jesus. Thank you. And we just said our prayer and welcome Donna and Larry, and we ask if there's anyone I can receive in our Lightline today.

Arthura  
Well, if some of you were guessing Arthura, this is Arthura.

Dominick
Let me take a moment to center myself on the transmission wire.

Arthura
This is Arthura. I'm asking this transmitter to open his eyes rather than close it as we transmit through him. We're going to reverse from our morning content and today's theme is communion. Transmission is a function of communion in spiritual communication. Spiritual defined as nothing like the spirituality that your earthly, terrestrial philosophies define it, but that communion is the supermaterial contact between Spirit and mind.

You are endowed with a mind. You are not an inanimate object with an inanimate type of mind. You have a living system, a life endowed with mind. Furthermore, life endowed with a mind and personality. And as such, personality is most eligible to be saved, evolved, and ascended. Therefore is transmission an aspect of communion. And while some of you in the attempts for transmission, too much of a personal or a social risk, nonetheless, all religion of the spiritual source of true reality. And this is Arthura. When I speak of true I know what I'm talking about, but you truly do not.

Communion is a way for you to have experiential validation of an objective reality that ironically is considered subjective because of your finite structure. Your social experience validates this truth as an objective fact when enough people claim to have something similar. But barring any objective reality and truth validation, you are left in this conundrum of faith, which is a testing ground and an educational ground for the soul. You will only have objective truth when divine representation descends from a higher dimension, which we use as a word for you to comprehend the unseen, spiritual realms. And then, even then, are you faced with a conundrum of believing and asking for proof and so on and so forth.

The irony and struggle between subjective and objective truth is one factor in possible universe rebellion. These states exist in local universe creations of time and space. Therefore, are these time and space struggles considered universal. But they are only universal in the time-space realm. The high divine beings of local origin are the origins of human thought when it comes to the subjective rebellion against the ironically improvable objective reality of Paradise Deity and the ultimate design of proof of this objective reality of the Universal Father is placed on the alpha and omega of Sonship order, the highest rung and the lowest rung of you could say species, or order, orientation, of a type of being, populating and habitating time and space, and that order is called Sons of God, and they have the prerogative and ability and design to be physical manifested in time and space, whereas most other personalities of spiritual status do not need physical form in the third dimension of material body, but the lowest order of son actually contains the highest objective truth of the Universal Father, and yet this objective truth is only finitely known through a subjective experiential truth and understanding of each individual unit.

But as you collectively ascend, this is after your death typically, after you ascend from planetary experience and a kind of universal design of educational experience for a soul to habitate a commingling and eventual fusion of this objective and subjective reality into an eternal reality and an immortal reality of an objective fragment of the Universal Source fused with a personality of the imperfect, finite universe of time and space, and this is the only way that the Universal Father has placed Himself or Itself to experience time and space outside of Its permanent residency on Paradise.

Now you need not understand the epistemology of those statements, but that you do understand that there is a typical struggle on any life-bearing ecosystem between resources, and what happens is, you have this intelligence, which some of your modern scientists have deemed to be a runaway system of evolutionary flaw because they refuse to incorporate Spirit and God into their model. But essentially, you have an intelligent and quasi spiritual biological system endowed with mind and these revealed spiritual attributes. And over the years as well, you have had divine influence that has actually rebelled in their own wrestling with objective and subjective truth and reality.

You should understand, or easily understand you are in these fields when people and parties start to talk about rights, freedom, equality, and creation. In your fifth epochal revelation, as well as your best history books you have a clear outline of the origins of civilization and a pretty good idea of where things like rights and resources and states came into existence amongst civilizations and cultures. We have discussed the evolution of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and we have clear origins that happiness derived from the pursuit of property, and that today you find yourself no less or more advanced than your forefathers in the discussions of the subjective and objective truths determining what are your rights and your freedoms, the equality, and the state of nature of your being. What it means to be free. What It means to have life or liberty or the fact that you are created or designed or have any destiny of life after death. These things are all still in flux in your civilizations, cultures, and down to your education. They matter in your beliefs and ultimately these things influence and help determine your mind again, it all tends to come back to your mind, your primary instrument and vehicle of your will and your behavior.

You can look at a biological system without these super endowments of spirit and see that they have a mind that's conditioned or designed, and it still goes after resources. It still organizes itself as individual unit and collective unit to perpetuate itself and gather the necessary resources to do that. And often, when you look at another layer, you see a design or an evolution in nature where this process plays out in a greater ecosystem that sustains more than just a particular entity or species doing their behavior, but you don't hear them talk about their rights and their freedoms, nor do they have the language. They might simply react but this is a condition of mind, not will.

When you have a will is when you begin as an entity to understand that a will is endowed with supermaterial abilities and then do you enter the arena of Spirit. And then do you enter the arena of a mind capable of reaching It. Until you reach it individually through a communion experience, until that time you are subject to the collective mind, of the conditioning of your mind, and the environment that affects the mind. And so the education of the civilization and the education of the family conditions, your primary thoughts and attitudes and beliefs, which will, in effect, start to condition your beliefs on some of these larger political spiritual terms that determine ultimately the competition for resources.

Politics, in some sense, is the rule, and regulation, and enforcement of those rules and regulations around resources. You get this in family life early on and later on you might have learned this in tribal association. Your DNA is very much conditioned by 1000s of generations of tribal behavior that's deeply encoded in your neurological roots, and only in recent times is the mind in a more technologically advanced civilization where the tribe has evolved into nations, and the nations have evolved into states, and commercial enterprise has evolved from the specialized labor of property value and material, well specialization in adding value to ever more complex technologically or technological devices aimed at resources and labor which do extend to leisure and the pursuit of property and leisure.

We have talked about the pursuit of happiness, and what's very difficult on a planet that has undergone rebellion Is the competing philosophies between subjective and objective truth, and the origin of rebellion is originated in the rebellion of an objective truth that is not experienced by the rebelling creature. But what happens is a process is set forth, inherently in rebellion that dooms the rebellion to sustain itself, because it becomes intractably separated from the ability to experience communion in the way the entity is designed to; whether that happened in the brief moment of a human lifetime, or a well-nigh eternal moment of a System Sovereign who is designed to be nearly perfect, but just imperfect enough that they can rebel and the time commitment involved between a System Sovereign and a little son of God as a human is vast.

The System Sovereign must be in almost faith contact with the experiential Universal Father for eons of time and even then, when the objective truth of the Paradise Sons is before them, are they still left with the conundrum of objective truth of the Universal Father. These descriptions fall into place quite nicely when you understand the Lucifer manifesto and what it is claiming to rebel against, and then do you have the Rosetta Stone to remove yourselves from a planetary environment that struggles yet today with the legacy of this rebellion against objective truth and subjective experience that validates an objective reality. Because the rebellion has removed itself from the Universal Father, you have a dichotomy of two religions that play forth in planetary politics and religion, and this will play across in each religion and each political struggle.

Dominick  
One moment. This is Dominick. Hold on, Arthura. I had a distraction outside. Let me get centered again. All right. Go ahead, Arthura.

Arthura  
All right, let's start a new chapter. We have today the effects of what is called postmodernism, which is the elevation of subjective truth over the proclaimed tyranny of an objective truth, which they claim is ultimately improvable. Now the origin of rebellion takes on a postmodernistic type of logic. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness takes on a different meaning for those who consider life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness when they are rooted in two different interpretations of truth and two different interpretations of experience. The irony is that human beings tend to think instinctively that everyone else thinks like they do, so some of the first eye-opening experiences of maturing into adulthood is the acknowledgement of this type of diversity in human perception and opinion, and behavior.

For objective truth and the truth of a Divine Deity, of God, is the declaration that it is no longer life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness or property, but that it is life, liberty, and the pursuit of soul growth. Property has no place in the postmodernistic agenda. Liberty is replaced as the pursuit of happiness and freedom equated with the right to such liberty. The other end of that spectrum, which we claim is not a spectrum, but a divide. The divide is rebellion or original universe governance, there is no spectrum. The subjectivity of a postmodern rebellion is that they place you on a spectrum, thus legitimizing their place and play in the field, and they have a strong argument because they literally exist on the field.

The rebel simply declares, I am here and I am therefore my contentions are the same, but we tell you from Universe objectivity, that these are not designed to live forever. They are inherently transient in time and space, and therefore they exist, but not on a spectrum. They exist on a finite timeline of evolution that is eventually corrected in terms of life. Therefore freedom is always equated with a degree of citizenship. Freedom is an advanced concept of a spiritual revelation and philosophy of man to describe the concepts of will, behavior, and action, which is derived from the mind; thought. In the family and the tribe this was cultivated, and this is why tribal behavior of 1000s of generations is still very much alive in human cognition today, and the secrets of this knowledge are used by politics and religion for control of resources in its most debased forms, under the noble enterprises, rebellion by the rebels.

Freedom does equate with citizenship because it cultivates, via the social contract, a series of trade-offs between unbridled liberty of a child and the parental rules, and regulation. and enforcement of the parent and now the State. In the tribe, these behaviors were encoded and very dangerous, because it very much meant your survival. If you were ostracized from the tribe, you were pretty much dead. Now, the State. with a capital S, today has evolved as the supertribe, encompassing vast nations, multiple cultures, and even takes on a civilization of its own, or could amount to a civilization. Today you kind of call that East and West, and it very much has to do with these notions of rights equality, freedom, and so on.

There is no such conflict as placed in modern times between this capitalism and socialism, life, liberty and the pursuit of property goes back to farming, and the backbone of the formation of the city-state, as tribes began to cease to be nomadic and began cultivating the land and so you had these new forms of government, but also a new form of labor and property. The struggle is very simple, that before there was Capitalism there was putting in the value of a labor to enhance the natural resources into greater forms of advanced valuable property. And that was the also the birth of the mercantile class, and all of those things were, you could say, the origins of capitalism, which is essentially just an extension of those origins of civilization.

Whereas the opposite end of that spectrum takes on the postmodern rebellion philosophies that property is evil and that there are no truly objective realities except the ironically objective reality that everything is subjective. But the point is, because human beings learned to better harvest resources to create more leisure through technology advancements, do they also needed to create more advanced civilizational rules, regulations, and enforcement, and eventually have created states and corporations and leagues of nations and imperfect super bodies of government.

Ultimately, what frames these things are these styles of education which influence the mind and environment of the early experience of a child once they reach the age of essentially seven, and then through adolescence of early adulthood, which on your planet, is around 22; roughly kindergarten through college. Seven years old is the time where a child can begin to independently function in its physical capacities, for example, dressing themselves, brushing their teeth, doing all of those things of family life that were previously regulated and assisted by the parent or the older sibling, which was delegated such duties, and finally, up until the age of pre-adulthood, where they are finally set free from the nest to figure things out.

So what needs to be done moving forward is that these emissions (missions) will entail, from a human standpoint, a reframing of governance. You could say, a reframing of a constitution that defines these mighty concepts of creation, equality, freedom, rights, and resources, and rules, and regulations, and enforcement. The ships that each of these words symbolically represent are unanchored and drifting apart. Some of the organization around the foundations that have been set up will be utilized to not perpetuate or compete with the fifth epochal revelation but to organize itself around the framework of being about the Father's business. And no one is better done in being about the Father's business than his Paradise Sons, who descend even to your level once in a while to right the ship and correct its course.

But you, you little sons of God and daughters of the Father, must do your part to reframe your most sacred documents of governance and do so in the most communionable way and you will be led to be gathered in a physical building, not a temple of worship, but a sacred space to be about the Father's business and be about the spiritual governance of a planet and the things that human beings are designed and underway on this planet in perpetuating an environment that meets the supermaterial standards of spirit for the education of souls when they eventually meet the afterlife. Just as you have a workforce that is entering unprepared and you see the effects of too much of a population no longer capable of you could say good output of productivity.

Similarly, the universe finds that not all souls graduate ready to be full-fledged citizens with freedoms and responsibilities of a social contract where their freedom demands that they have certain obligations. That is the essence of social contract governance, that freedom has a trade-off of the citizen and that rules, and regulations, and enforcements are part of this social contract. Without such a social contract, there can be no concept of rights, and the postmodernist can claim the existence of universal rights, but eventually, it will collapse on its own weight of unproductive half-ass citizens who no longer are even educated enough to comprehend a way out without some sort of intervention. And the irony there is the intervention happens from the objective reality of Paradise Sons and their governance from both on high and in their occasional incarnation and bestowal to the planets they rule. Thank you for listening. This is Arthura, and I depart.

Dominick  
Thank you, Arthura, but don't depart too soon. We have eight minutes if anyone wants to press five star and ask for clarification or address a concept or ask a question related to the topic, feel free. We have a few minutes to address that, and if we don't, then I thank you all for listening, and we'll see who else joined while we were talking. Charlotte, welcome, and George Meyer, welcome, we say your name, your complete name, George, you're a board member. Okay, well, let's give it to Ron, just to say a few words on the physical structure announcement, I suppose. We are looking to build a physical structure to house and conduct what we were talking about is the Father's business. Ron, are you there? Would you like to speak towards any of that? You're unmuted.

Ron Besser  
Yeah. If I were awake.

Dominick  
Well, wake up!

Ron Besser  
Yeah. Thank you. This from Machiventa Melchizedek.

Machiventa Melchizedek  
I listened to your lecture. It should be a book. It is beautiful, Arthura.

Arthura  
Thank you.

Machiventa Melchizedek  
You're welcome, Ron, and I know you are having problems with physicality.

Ron Besser  
Yeah, I'm dying. But may not be today. Anyhow, the future of what Dominick is talking about, I believe, if I'm hearing correctly, will become a textbook for dissemination once the Magisterial Missions are fully involved with this world. I do not know quite where this is coming from, but I know it's high authority. And do you wish to speak to the publication or something else?

Machiventa Melchizedek  
This is a Machiventa Melchizedek, Ron, you are a marvel. The truth of the matter is that what Dominick has spoken of is truly a textbook. You fully get it, but what you don't get is the idea that it is so important. You sit there and you play with the ideas that Dominick speaks to and say; well, yes, that is also very important, but I dare you to impose the intellectual power of what you're talking about on any one individual, particularly in the United States, who has a view of life as money and power and no intellectual input into the system of government or the system of care. That is your problem today.

Universal Father  
This is the Universal Father. Ron, you play with Arthura's speech only in the sense that it is so good, it should be a textbook. Well, it is a textbook and it's coming to you. It will be fully printed, please understand that. Dominick, you are repeating parts of chapters of that textbook to come, and Ron, you are the marvel in understanding that it is a textbook.

Ron Besser  
For those of you who are listening, half. I warn you, please. It isn't a warning of uncooperation, it is that you let it go and don't even engage what you hear on Lightlines when you're in your day-to-day work. You separate it. You go to work and you are at home in the evening, and occasionally tune into what we have to say here. The production of what Dominick does is especially good. I wish I could do it, but the universe has apparently decided that Dominick is the intellect they can use to produce this book. I know that we produce a written text of the Lightlines, but how many of you keep it to put together the book that this is being quoted from? Well, even I don't do it because I go on with other concerns day to day that snows over what was done today.

For that particular reason, then the group that is listening to this Lightline should be reminded that the entire reason for it to happen at all is that some of you will take it and make it work. That is Arthura's wish. That is the Father's wish, and it is my wish, Ron's. For the sake of levity let me tell you this: I have done now a Lightline since about 2008. It is now 2024. I've had 16 years of experience with various kinds of Lightlines. They all do one thing in particular, they educate, but the intellectual level of any given Lightline is far different from many of its compatriots. Why? It has to do with the transmitter. I would suggest to you that Dominick is a college professor, therefore we get high-quality education from our friend Uversa, or I should say you.

You  
For that reason, Ron, I am not Uversa. I am the you, you talk to, and you have trouble with it from time to time, because I don't like you when you do this, but you do this for the simple reason that the listeners ought to get the idea that when we do it, and it's a textbook from the college level up here, that Dominick is repeating verbatim. You recognize it, and you laud me for doing it.

Ron Besser  
Yes, I do, because we so seldom get it.

Universal Father  
I fully greet you, and I know you're one of Mine, but this is the Father. You Ron, are not spitting out anything, but you are making sure that we are repeating the necessity of what we want to know you have as importance. For that reason, you listen carefully and you agree with the lesson.

Ron Besser  
Wholeheartedly, it's beautifully put together.

Universal Father  
I agree. Furthermore, Ron, your life is about to be truncated over the issue of how long can a person like you stay alive on this godforsaken planet at times when all you get is the running mate to Trump and the presidential conference that is held almost daily on your news networks. She is excellent, you agree and look forward to her as president, but you also say; isn't it curious that the Americans finally are allowing a female president? You celebrate it. You hoot and holler, but you are concerned about one thing. It is not the same dias as a male president, and the United States is about to go into history as the first imperial female.

Watch it and enjoy it. She's going to have to make some personal changes to be president. And now this: Dominick's work is superlative. Your work is, and frankly, so is Elise's and the others who broadcast. But I want this to be understood. Many who listen could care less. Oh, it's something to do on a Sunday afternoon, a Wednesday afternoon or whenever. But please understand that it takes a great motion from We Who are on high as the Professors. We are not going to continue it so long as this Lightline is only available to 15 or 20. You foresaw hundreds listening.

Ron Besser  
That is the idea. Thank you.

Universal Father  
But the various competitive units have decided that they do better than you do. You know who they are and what they do. Yesterday, you took it upon yourself to write out a transmission about it, and you have folded it back and do not show it. Why? Well, we know why. It upsets the regular view that all should participate, all should take what they can and make it available to the people. You, however, believe that the people are due for much better fare than what we are producing at times, and I agree. But the truth of the matter is, Ron, that you have seen to it that this production of information through your transmitters is superior to almost all of the other transmitters because you place it in the faith and care of the Father.

If the others did as well, they would do as well, Ron. But the truth of the matter is, you have four different groups and of the four different groups, your group is still premier because you speak to the issues. You do not worry about the flatteries. And now this: the truth that we must speak is that these Lightlines are precious to you, Ron, and they are caregiving to us. But in the near future, when the Magisterial Sons take over, they will be very careful about when and to whom they speak on the internet with. Here is Monjoronson.

Ron Besser  
Welcome Monjoronson. Thank you, Father.

Universal Father  
Thank you, Ron.

Monjoronson  
I am Monjoronson, Ron, you are among my favorites because you are the one who finally says; well, we're doing this in respect to what we can do, but what can we do better. To all of you, you wonder the same. You hear the lectures. They are important to both sides, but the truth of the matter is we doze off, not the lecturers, but those to whom we lecture. Today, you listened to Arthura carefully. He had a textbook speech. You agreed that it was a textbook and you wondered what textbook it was. Well, let me tell you what textbook he speaks from. There is on the mansion worlds, on Mansion World Four, and above these textbooks. Are they used? Hardly.

The one you call Marian who sees to the Urantia Book group on the mansion worlds says this to you; Ron, you're utterly boring to us. You're not textbook. So she dropped it. You said; fine, I don't care. But remember this Marion, the truth of the matter is that you're going through a process. You are not living it. The truth of the matter is you're being educated, but you're not being online to produce what that education is meant to produce. You love Marian, you like the group, but they have turned you aside as utterly boring Ron and you don't care.

Ron Besser  
I have no sense of what they want.

Monjoronson  
Truly, Ron. And now this: here's Marian.

Ron Besser  
Welcome, Marion. Go ahead, please.

Marian Rowley  
I am Marian. I used to answer the phone at the Urantia Foundation. Hello. I would say; how may we help you? Oftentimes, it was a question, how to get more books? Frankly, I got so poorly done with it. I just refused to answer and said; well, dear, that's online elsewhere. You have to look that up. Finally, I said, I quit. I left the Foundation five years before I died, you don't know that, Ron.

Ron Besser  
No, I don't. I'm glad you told me. Thank you.

Marian Rowley  
For reasons of state, I am the teacher of a group on the mansion worlds that refers to the textbook of the Urantia Book. We are a poor group. There's only 10 of us. Where are the hundreds, the 1000s who search for spiritual answers and can't find our group? Well, the truth is, Ron, and you nailed it right on with me. The group is a bore. That's because they go with the textbook, The Urantia Book. It is not living. It is instructive. But the fact of the matter is that living on the mansion worlds is the live inference for living life in the universe, and the textbook is only descriptive. What do we do, then, for education to know The Urantia Book or a revelation of like size? The answer is, we don't do it for you. You have to do it for yourself, and that makes a million years in the mansion worlds, boring.

Ron Besser  
Truly.

Marian Rowley  
When you leave the mansion worlds boring is not what we want you to do, but that is what many do when they go to the 20 or so new schools available past the mansion worlds. You're aware of those schools. You have even taught on some of those schools, but you are bored with the mansion worlds and the 20 or so specialties that are education beyond the mansion worlds. For that reason, you haven't dropped out, but you've gone to the new Supreme Court and listen to what's going on there. What is going on in the new Supreme Court? Plenty. We're not going to go into it, but it should be a subject that you listen to eventually.

Universal Father  
And now, Dominick, I'm done with this diatribe, and I turn it back to you and thank you for the opportunity to speak, I am your Father. Please take it. Dominick, thank you.

Dominick  
All right. Thank you, Ron, and I put you on mute. Just if you need to unmute, go ahead and unmute. And just as a postscript, I'm not particularly fond sometimes of being, I think it excuses all of us to elevate me to the status of a professor. Not that I'm not honored by that. But my point is that these things I talk about do merit some questions from us because they're so right in our face for our politics and our religion. It's undeniable. I mean, we have the pope speaking out about issues, and we have, you know, two kinds of schools of thought being presented in our in our politics, whether that's domestic and whether that's international.

So forgive me, I wake up in the morning and I try to transmit, and this stuff does come out. I guess I'm kind of hardwired that way. It's what I chose to study in school, and it's always interested me. So in that sense, I am, it just is what it is, or what I transmit often. But these lessons are sanitized when it comes to the application of inserting them into any particular issue of the day. So it would behoove you to take the risk of answering the question. As a transmitter, I tend to sanitize my personal opinions on those things. But if you were to ask a question that opens the door for us to apply what we're learning in a lesson in the moment. Beyond that, we do, we retreat to our thoughts and we say to ourselves, well, so and so shouldn't have transmitted that, or I wonder this and that. Anyhow, I'm interrupting mid-sentence myself to unmute you, Lewell, I see your hand raised. What would you like to say?

Lemuel  
This is Lemuel, can you hear me?

Dominick  
Yeah, you're unmuted. And, yeah, go ahead, Lemuel.

Lemuel  
I just wanted to ask Ron if I would be allowed to do a light to the Wednesday Lightline tomorrow or to try and do a Lightline tomorrow, perhaps with Michael's approval.

Dominick  
You don't need it, you have an open-ended approval, and you seek Michael's approval for it. You can certainly ask Ron for help in that transmission, but the Lightlines are open to you Lemuel at your discretion, unless you hear specifically otherwise not to. So, it's your call.

Lemuel  
All right, then, let it be known that tomorrow I intend to hold the Wednesday Lightline. All right, thank you, Dominick.

Dominick  
Excellent. Okay, thank you. Lemuel. Is that it? I'm gonna I'm gonna mute you then.

Lemuel  
Okay, thank you.

Dominick  
You're welcome. Okay, okay, so that's it. I think we've said all we need to say, and that's it. We'll leave then on the good news that Lemuel will be hosting his Lightline tomorrow. Pliktarious I noticed you unmuted yourself. Did you have a question? I know you're on the internet so I don't see your hand raised. Would you like to mention anything or have a comment?

Pliktarious  
No, I don't have anything to say. But it was a very interesting Lightline.

Dominick  
Well, thank you, and notice that all internet callers, if you unmute yourself and are polite like Pliktarious was, that's the way we can handle your questions and comments, because we can't. Internet callers don't have the option to raise their hand on the dashboard. Thanks, Pliktarious, and thanks everyone for joining and have a great day bye.

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NETHERLANDS iNTERNATIONAL CALL IN NUMBERS AND ACCESS CODES / Re: Lightline Netherlands International
« on: September 23, 2024, 21:08:51 pm »
  • 092324 Audio Tape Lightline Netherlands International; host: Elise Sophia Veronica; other transmitter: Ron Besser;
  • Subjects: Pleiadians have lived on Urantia, Michael’s plans are proceeding very cautiously, Spirit is amazed that humans will allow others to suffer without providing them assistance, humans are so preoccupied with things they forget God, God does not forget us, Jesus is our example for how others should be treated, Ron’s Adjuster is now an independent Adjuster like Jesus’s became, stay close to and work with your Thought Adjuster daily, and Monjoronson remains the Magisterial Son of record but now goes by Horson;
  • Speakers: Pleiadians, Michael of Nebadon, Arthura, Unknown Adjuster, Horson, Machiventa Melchizedek, and Universal Father;
  • Transcribed By: RAZ ( I welcome corrections - message me )
  • Link To Tape: https://www.conferencecalling.com/recordings/1528070/251848/VCISPREC02_251848_20240923_110034 

Elise  
Hello, everyone. This is Elise. I am opening this Lightline, and I hope we may receive some words from the celestial world. It is Monday, September 23rd in 2024 and I'm your host, as usual, on Monday. I welcome all who took the time and effort to join us. We pray for Father's help to proceed safely and to be protected. And we hope to make contact with someone from the spiritual world who would like to address this group today, and we thank our Universal Father. We thank Michael of Nebadon and all other official celestial representatives who are working so hard to keep us up to date and for the changes they make for a better world for all. I am asking for a clear channel and also now, if there is anyone from the Spirit side to please step forward and speak to us and we thank you. Amen. Well, we have a couple of more people to welcome. Roger Krupa is here, and another two internet numbers. You're all very welcome.

Pleiadians  
Good day and good evening. We are the Pleiadians.

Elise  
Oh, welcome Pleiadians. What a surprise. Speak please, if you like.

Pleiadians  
Thank you, Elise, and welcome to all, we are the Pleiadians, and we come to this place to inform you that something very important is brewing and about to happen on your planet, but Michael of Nebadon and his associates cannot yet be sure if or when to bring these messages out. The thing is that much has changed in Michael's mind when finally the planet becomes almost cleared of the rebels, which is the cabal and other insurrectionists who have constantly caused problems to Michael, to Jesus and the Magisterial Missions, and even to some of you humans in what you are doing as co-workers in God's plans and purposes.

It is now still too dangerous to even speak about certain plans that have to remain secret until Michael of Nebadon declares the situation safe and agrees there is a situation of good standing on your planet, Urantia. We, the Pleiadians, are well aware of what is happening on your planet. We do have the utmost interest in your well-being and the evolution of your planet, to which we feel connected, and where at certain times, some of our people were left to live among you as humans on Urantia, you even carry some of the seed that is similar to our seed for much has taken place in the mystery of the universes, before Man on Urantia became aware of the universe and of the idea of other living humans on far away planets.

Our civilization is much older than that of Urantia. But we have had an interest in your planet since the beginning of the development of humans on your sphere, and we are well acquainted with its important mission and development as a planet of great example, for many future inhabited planets. You also know that your history is very different from that of any planet, and this became even more obvious when Michael of Nebadon chose your planet for his final bestowal, as you have all learned through the fifth epochal revelation, your Urantia Book.

The Lucifer rebellion, the bestowal of Michael of Nebadon on your planet, the self-destruction of the supreme; are all important facts that play a major role in what is happening today and must be concluded in this time on your planet. We see what is holding back the missions and the reappearance of Jesus. We know what difficulties the Magisterial Sons are facing time after time when they are ready to enter the planet. Michael of Nebadon has nothing but opposition since he wanted to begin cleansing this planet of all evil and starting missions as planned.

We, the Pleiadians, are not involved in planetary missions as such, but we are always there to offer our assistance when requested, and currently, we are very concerned about the warlike situation that still prevails on your planet. We are concerned for all people on Urantia. We know what the planet needs, but first, there must be an overall will for peace among the inhabitants, and we do understand Michael's decision to postpone any action until that is achieved. Michael has great plans for your world, and He is ready to go ahead, but not before any of the disruptions have been resolved, and the noise of elections and war have been settled and reached some sort of agreement.

We advise you to hold on to your beliefs and your confidence in your Creator Son; for Michael of Nebadon is a wonderful administrator, and he is so much more that you do not know about. He knows the right time to begin what is needed on your planet, but he has to deal with the many issues and problems that take priority on his agenda, but he knows exactly how to keep this planet a safe and dignified place, which is a huge task, knowing what needs to be done.

We are the Pleiadians. We keep watching your planet to see where we can and may offer our help. We have great experience and a long history to draw on, and we know the traps that are set by evil forces, but we may and cannot interfere in any way with the natural or political development of a planet. We are only allowed to teach and give our assistance when we are asked to do so. We are the Pleiadians. We are your friends. We are your sisters and brothers, keep your trust in the Father and in Michael, his most honored son, Who loves you dearly and is working hard to give you and the planet everything it needs to reach its ultimate destiny. We leave, and thank you for listening.

Elise  
Thank you Pleiadians, thank you very much.

Michael of Nebadon  
And this is Michael of Nebadon. Good day to all my beloved people here. My message will be very short. I can only say we are very careful not to say or do anything before the whole thing and all things are settled that have been in our way for such a long time, we are very cautious in setting foot on the planet, and even more cautious in appearing before you, for spirit has had to deal with too much fooling around with unfair and even childish behaviors and we will not allow or give any room or freedom to those who are not of goodwill, to the Father or to me, Michael of Nebadon, to be around or contact us, or with even a human being that has been assigned by us to do serious work for the missions prepared for so long by the Magisterial Sons and by Michael of Nebadon and by Jesus of Nazareth. This is Michael of Nebadon for today, I wish you a good day, and I hand you over to your spiritual teacher for today.

Elise  
Thank you, Michael. Thank you for being with us and taking the time to speak to us. Thank you very much.

Arthura  
Thank you, Michael. This is Arthura. Hello, people. I am indeed Arthura, and I would like to touch a social aspect on your planet, regarding those in your society who are completely deprived of the basic necessities to support their families, because there is almost nothing available to keep them alive. They die of terrible diseases like cholera because the little water they can get is usually so polluted that it kills them or makes them sick. You on the planet, have your communication systems all over the world. You have your means of transportation that are sufficient and well equipped to reach those on earth who hunger and thirst in places where war prevents people from setting up safe homes, and where children are deprived from education because schools have either been confiscated by the military or burned down, and some governments allow to take the young boys and girls from their homes to be trained as soldiers for their deadly actions against their own people. These are civil wars and are very difficult to interfere with. You have learned not to interfere as long as they're fighting and slaughtering each other over territories, and you let them fight it out until they learn how to behave and settle things in a more civilized manner.

But that does not absolve you from the obligation to help your fellow men in keeping themselves alive in areas of hostility and insecurity. Man's civic duty does not stop at the border and on a technical world like Urantia, there are always opportunities to reach anyone in need and provide assistance in whatever form. In Spirit, We are amazed at the ease of which one-half of the population abandons the other half and does not feel the call to provide help through joint approach of your worldwide organizations as a global aid to strengthen the brotherhood among men. But a difficulty in bringing people together is their disinterest in the world around them.

Today's citizen is aiming for financial gain, for pleasure, and luxury, making men increasingly dependent on industry and the promotion of products and spiritual life of the average person in the Western world is at an all-time low, considering how little attention is paid to nurturing the knowledge and hunger for God in your schools and in other educational institutions, your churches have emptied out due to lack of support for the layman in his spiritual search for clarity and truth in their belief systems. And with that, the attention for God and His presence among the people has quickly disappeared.

But God forgets not His people, even if he finds little response among a population that lives for entertainment and consumption, meanwhile producing many waste products that is creating a major problem in an overpopulated world. And on top of that, shifting the problem to areas that are already struggling. Transport of goods and of production must be stopped and governments need to start to think about better ways to process residual products and find joint solutions for the garbage that is now choking the world. I am Arthura. We observe that man is being suffocated on all sides and that there is no room left for his spiritual needs making him more and more a consumer product, and thereby missing the opportunity to satisfy his spiritual hunger.

In the future, Adam and Eve will have their teachings on such a policy. They will have an extensive curriculum, and they are waiting with hope to offer their teachings on a large scale throughout Urantia, where they will pay attention to all aspects that need to be addressed for a healthy material and spiritual life for all. To live is to give, and unfortunately, life on Urantia is currently defined by taking, and giving is pushed aside as a forgotten gesture. People in general cannot feel for those who are not part of their small circle, and they easily let their own advantage prevail.

I Arthura, am not involved in the lives of the individual on this planet. My job is to assist Michael in his work for Urantia. But in Our observations of your world, a little care and attention given to the welfare of the planet and its people should be the prime premier duty of every inhabitant and social compassion must be instilled at an early age. It's crucial for the growth of a well-ordered society based on brotherhood and serving one another. That is what man must pay attention to, and where social and loving attention is shifted to the needs of man and to his spiritual hunger for knowledge and truth and for certainty that one is supported by the strength of everyone in a society that helps people find their way in the multitude of choices that life has to offer them.

One person cannot change the world, but through a collective consciousness and awareness of the great needs in a world where millions of dollars are being spent on overproduction, it is time to become aware where the responsibilities lie and how to solve these problems and force them to the attention of the governments. Jesus did not interfere in the political affairs of His day, but He himself was the example and a model of simplicity of love, and passion for all people. And He never allowed Himself to ignore the less fortunate who turned to Him in their misery or their quest for knowledge. Jesus spoke and encouraged the poor and the rich, the sick and the healthy, the believer and the wandering and all were encouraged by His words and the attention he gave them.

Jesus was open to the whole world, even though he could not reach it in its entirety. But he set the example of social duty towards others who thereby receive the courage and strength to continue. In this time of so many means of communication, it is easy to offer actual help in all forms, but man prefers to close the eyes to what he does not like to see. Did not the same Jesus teach people to be kind to one another, and even in a very simple way, by treating your neighbor as one would like to be treated. That is the simplicity of the gospel of Jesus that can be lived to bring the will of the Father on Earth and equality among people. Never forget the words of Jesus when you wonder how to do the Father's will, what you do not want done to you do not do to others. I Arthura have spoken of how to understand the will of the Father. This is Arthura at your service. Good day.

Elise  
Thank you, Arthura. Thank you. Okay, this is Elise, and we're with 15 together at the moment. I'm going to ask if there is anyone else who would like to speak today.

Unknown Adjuster  
Yes, good day, everyone. I am an Adjuster. I am an unknown Adjuster, as you call it. I roam the universes, and I interact with many I meet along the way. I take this opportunity to address this group of good faith and intention, as you are all familiar with your Adjusters and how He is guiding you during your life here in the flesh and will be in the next phase of your ascension career on the many worlds and spheres besides this planet. Every day in your lives is a new beginning and offers you a blank slate to start with, still empty, but soon to be, filled with your daily activities.

I want you all to realize how lucky you are, all of you, to start the day with your Adjuster in full consciousness. Most people get up, start their daily routine, and do not even know that they have got so close and can talk to Him. They do not know that they can say good morning to God and to spend their days in the presence of God. Realize what it means to greet God and to make Him part of your lives, to share your sorrows and joys with your Creator, Who will always be there for you in your needs, in days of doubt, often distracted by what you hear and see around you.

Stay close and work with your Adjuster. He is your compass and your roadmap. He is your guide and faithful protector, and He makes your path smooth and swept so that you can walk without stumbling. Give Him your hand, and He will guide you where you need to be and how to find the way that has been set out for you to become an example to those who do not believe and have no idea of a universe full of life and evolution with humans like you, people who are learning to serve God and who are on their way to the eternal goal to reach God, the Creator to whom you will return and find your happiness and bliss. Understand how carefully the ways have been chosen for you that you may enjoy and learn from God what He has prepared for you, that you may experience in 1000 ways, all that his universe contains and has to offer to all who know the Father and wish to serve Him by doing good to one another, by loving each other, and to lend a helping hand where needed.

Man never has to find his way alone. Share your days with each other and support each other in difficult times, reaching out and helping. The Father wants you to learn as much as you can from all that He presents to you and through which you become an experienced traveler on the path that leads you back to Him. Be brave and accept things as they present themselves to you, for every opportunity holds a new lesson to move forward in your career of this world and through the universe, wherever you may find yourselves, to solve the puzzles and to go through the trials that come your way before you can take the next step in the great challenge of life given to you by your Universal Father, the First Source and Center of all.

I am that unknown Adjuster, and I know that you all recognize God within you, and I tell you that before you hear one word spoken, God has already spoken many words to you. You have God within you, but His words are hardly heard. But now that most of you have trained your mind to be still, you have all created the opening for your Adjusters to speak to you and even through you, which means that you can hear God and that you are able to communicate. Every person connected to the spirit within can learn to hear God's voice and many other voices that speak in his name. God has largely disappeared from your society, and so many have turned away from the guidance and words given to them over the centuries. In fact, man has changed the truth many times for his own false reasons, and now there is much confusion on the planet, and absolutely no knowledge about the existence of God, your Father, who created this world for you.

Many beliefs and religions have emerged as people continue to search for the source of their existence. And yes, your scholars and scientists think they have found evidence as to how life began and has developed, but they have always left God out of their ideas of reasoning and thinking as evolution developed, and this is where your scientists are stuck, and they need to change their vision to see the hand of the Creator in all the mysteries they try to solve in order to understand the universe  and its perfect and ever applicable laws. What God creates remains and will exist forever in its origin, but in and to His creation, God gave to everyone and everything the power to grow and evolve into the highest potential that the Creator has placed within you.

Evolution is growth. Growth towards God, growth in goodness, in beauty, in love, with the aim to approach the Creator until you are beginning to recognize him as your God, Who claims His divine powers over everything that comes from Him and is returned back to Him, to glorify Him in His beautiful and perfected creation, which can be experienced and understood through the ever-increasing capacity of your mind. I am an unknown Adjuster. I am here and there and everywhere. I leave this group, but not without giving all of you My blessings to continue on your way with your beautiful Adjusters assigned to you. I bid you farewell, my dear Urantia children.

Elise  
Thank you. Thank you, unknown Adjuster. Thank you very much. Is there anyone else who would like to speak? Well, if not, I'm looking at the dashboard. Well, I would like to open the Lightline to you, Ron, since you are here, you might have some words for us. So please, I'm unmuting you, Ron.

Ron Besser  
All right.

Elise  
Maybe you are willing to speak.

Ron Besser  
Sure.

Machiventa Melchizedek  
This is Machiventa Melchizedek. You Ron are listening carefully to what Elise is saying. You're making application to yourself, and hope that the others listening really hear it. That Adjuster is your Adjuster, and for that reason, you're surprised.

Ron Besser  
Yes, I didn't realize it because I didn't feel it.

Unknown Adjuster - Ron’s Adjuster
The truth of the matter is, I am now an independent Adjuster, Ron, and for that reason, you are adjusterless, like Jesus. What does that do for you? Well, we can tell you this. It makes you dependent on your mind and your consideration for others. Your consideration for others is fully done, your consideration for yourself is not. You have some plans, but they keep getting pushed back by the situation that you find yourself in. That will end in not your death, it will end and it will bring a species of care to you that you're not used to. What do we mean? Well, we mean, for instance, that your plans for your house will go forward.

Ron Besser  
Thank you.

Unknown Adjuster - Ron’s Adjuster
And for your means with others, they are considering leaving now for whatever reason, let it go. And for reasons of state, you are being considered, Ron, along with several of your brothers and sisters, what to do about the coming time that is left between seeing the visible Magisterial Sons; Horson and one other that we are not permitted to speak. The one called Monjoronson is really Horson. H O R S O N. He has used the terminology of Monjoronson that was originally assigned to you, Ron, but you mistakenly thought it was assigned to the Son. Not so. But he wound up with the name Monjoronson as a result. You chuckle slightly and say, then we call him Horson. H O R S O N. 

Thank you, Elise, for allowing Me to speak. This is Ron's Adjuster. We are going to change something right now. Elise, you have been truly a godsend to Ron and to the things he feels need to be spoken to and four or five others have also turned to do the same thing, these Lightlines. But We are going to change the Lightline procedures, and We're going to change it in a way that Monjoronson may speak freely. Monjoronson is known now as the Magisterial Son of record for Urantia. Serara is His partner. And Steven Gitz and several others of you are now more important than ever for Ron has learned that there is a dangerous movement apart and moving to you, Ron to disenfranchise anything you do over the lack of money and the lack of facility. No one is going to take that from you, but you're going to die and it disappears. For that reason then We're going to make a statement.

Horson  
Believe it or not, I Henson, (Horson) the old Monjoronson, want you to hear the following facts: Number one, Elise, is to come to the United States and join you in your home. She can live where she wishes, but she's always welcome in the home, there are spare bedrooms. And two, the one that you know as Dominick, is available and ready to join you, but he has had a call from his sister that his Mother has suddenly become hospitalized with a broken back. She fell trying to do something, and it broke her back. He must return home. He's not telling you. And for reasons of state, Ron, We are advising you that your health has gotten rickety. Don't worry about it. It will improve. About eight years ago, you had an evil transient Seraphim come to you and inject you with poison. It's crippled you. But that is being removed, and that Seraphim is removed.

And fully to the rest of you, there have been incidences where you have thought you received one thing, but in fact, you received another, we're not going to address details. The truth of the matter is Ron that the life and times of those you cared for are going to be reinstated shortly, and that includes Dominick. But he has a tale to tell you. We'll let him tell you. And finally, to you, Elise, Ron is adding an addition to the house. It is going to be about 27 feet long and 20 to 25 feet wide. He is going to appeal to all of you for some help. But until We know the details, and Steven Gitz is responsible for some of it, We will remain silent. And finally, to you, Ron Dominick will be back with you shortly. He has been exhaled upon and no further requirements out west, for reasons of state, we let it go. And now this to you, Elise; Ron wants you here on your own free will with your husband if he wishes to come. We're building an addition to the house, including one new bedroom. We will be willing to talk about it. If you would like to come to Pennsylvania and live some of your life here.

Universal Father  
This is your Father, Ron. She will become the lady of the house if you let her. It's a big house, and Ron needs help. And finally, this to you, Steven Gitz, Ron is favoring you to take charge of the addition to the house. Get up here and plan it when you can. And finally, to all of you, my ward, Ron Besser, is going to stay the course and be the leader of all these facilities he has put into place so all of you can use them. He has no ownership but wants to support them.

And finally, to all Celestials who may be listening: Ron is not a leader, naturally. He prefers the background and seeing to it that facilities are available for all to use. He will continue. There will be an addition to the house that will be 30 feet long and about 25 feet wide. It will have a mantle a fireplace and eight chairs around a conference table. You will meet regularly in this room and decide what is to be done for the following: We want a new revelation, a new Urantia Book if you will. We may call it different. The second thing we want to be known is that Ron will have a slightly extended life to take care of all of this. He bowed his head and said; well, thank you. I didn't expect that. You will be feeling much better shortly, Ron.

Ron Besser  
Thank you.

Universal Father  
And fully to you, Elise, you and your husband are welcome here in Pennsylvania, whenever you want to come, we will accommodate you. And finally, this to you, Ron, your life has been more or less a lonely pilgrimage to see to it that things are done and well. You will have a midwayer, Claudine.

Ron Besser  
All right, Claudine.

Universal Father  
And you smile because you immediately get the picture of a closed fist with claws on the end. That's not her.

Ron Besser  
I know, I know it's not, but saying it as Claudine, it reminds me.

Universal Father  
Claudine will have this to say to you. Listen to me and do it.

Ron Besser  
Well, that's fine. 

Universal Father  
You are one of the few who is so spiritually directed Ron that when we order something, it is done. Furthermore, this is to be added: the trial called Pennsylvania may dedicate the land around you as a surreptitious reason to allow Spirit to permeate the state. It is called the Commonwealth, and it means it belongs to all, as We do. Please remember that your God is also everyone else's God and that you need to understand that when We arrive in the flesh to be seen, We expect all to give us a curt bow and bless us. Ron already does it. He's done it for over a month. When Jesus arrives, he bows his head and brings it up sharply. We would love to see that practiced when We are in person and We meet you. And finally, this, before I turn this back to Elise. Ron Besser, you have seen to the facilities of several Lightlines and of several other uses. You're going to be given a radio station to take care of. Yes, Ron, you are hilarious because you have trouble filling the space of one day, much less of seven days a week for 52 weeks. But that is what is going to have to be done. You will learn what the station will be called, and it's in York, and it will be yours.

Ron Besser  
Yes, a good grief. I have no idea how to handle that.

Universal Father  
Thank you, Ron, that is what we expect. Put that addition on. Steven, get ready and do the plans. Don't wait for Dominick to tell you. He's got his own problems right now. And finally, this to you, Ron: he will return.

Ron Besser  
I hope so.

Universal Father  
Thank you, Ron.

Ron Besser  
And now Elise that we have scattered the lots a little bit we turn this back to you and your gracious goodbye to the Lightline for today, take it please.

Elise  
Yes. Thank you, Ron. Thank you for everything you told us. And well, I am closing the Lightline, and I thank of course, Michael of Nebadon, our Father, who were speaking through you, Ron, and the Adjuster, the unknown Adjuster, who happened to be your Adjuster, that's a big surprise. I thank you all for being here, all the other listeners, and of course, we thank Arthura for speaking and the Pleiadians. Well, there's nothing else I could say. I think we have to say goodbye and till next time.

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