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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: Financial apocalypse

« on: June 16, 2019, 22:19:51 pm »

Sue, I already replied to your question what to do about it very well. You need to recapitalize your own bank account and either place in it your investment proceeds as raw cash or make another account and place all investment securities as cash into the account.  You want to be all cash to make it through this one.  Investments will tumble and banks with money markets will lose investors galore thanks to the unbridled way a bank deals with fund accounts that lose all their money and mow will lose all their money.  


When banks open their doors again, there will be plenty of reason to do investing again as you are now on the ground floor of reputable companies to buy stocks and bonds again.  But until the crisis is over, keep everything in case for the duration.  Once the crisis hits bottom then risk a little to see how the markets react and wait until stock markets to be running again to reinvest fully.


I am fully sure this is to happen, but there is no way to predict the duration.  it may takes as long as six months or up to fourteen months to clear the worst of it.  Then one must understand that the difference between normal and what is left is huge, but each person has to decide when it is safe and the degree of risk it will take to feel invested again.  I dislike having everything I have in cash which I have done for the past fourteen years anticipating this any moment.  But these things are so unpredictable I made an error staying in all cash for so long, but I am still in all cash and consider myself safer than most at this time.  Be assured the trouble does not originate in the USA, it may start with a run on the British Pound, or the Italian Lira,  or the Somalia shilling (1 Somaliland shilling = 100 Somali shillings = 1/50 United States dollar)


The Australian dollar is secure as is the New Zealand dollar various paeggerd around 1/65 or higher.  But the problem is not their stability, the problem is that investors buy huge amounts of the dollars ont he open market and then play them like monopoly money to bid up gold or US dollars.  When gold is worth more than the Australian Peg of roughly 1/70 to the $, the Australian dollar dips accordingly and the same is true of all currencies to the USD.  The USD is a reserve currency meaning it is not pegged to other values but it has a value indicator based on the worth of the dollar in 1993 as the dollar index.


However the first time the United States measure inflation was in 1913 and here is a table showing what you would have to spend to get what 100 dollars could by in 1913.


SEE THE CHART AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THIS POST. r


No country currently backs its currency with gold, but many have in the past, including the U.S.; for half a century beginning in 1879, Americans could trade in $20.67 for an ounce of gold. The country effectively abandoned the gold standard in 1933, and completely severed the link between the dollar and gold in 1971.Oct 5, 2012

THE CHART INCORRECTLY STATES THE END OF THE US GOLD STANDARD.









https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-the-value-of-a-dollar-today-3306105

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: Financial apocalypse

« on: June 16, 2019, 12:35:27 pm »

MOTHER SPIRIT - "Clency, you more or less repeated what SERARA and MONJORONSON have been saying for years about this new era of financial difficulties we are entering into.  Be assured the real reason for this double indemnity is not the USA or the EU, but due to the decision China took last year to let the Yuan float against the dollar and then rescind all use of gold backing for the Yuan anymore.  Up until February of 2012, China paid off its debts with gold reserves and the world more or less gave a sigh of relief, and then suddenly renigs on that deal mostly because the USA refused to extend the favor in return.  How this gets straightened out is for the USA to start paying china back with gold reserves too, but the USA is angry with China over what they do in the WTO and that is to claim double what they are owed without showing the receipt of the lading done up in specific lists of details of what they sold to determine they are really owed that much.  The USA says they are being hammered with debt relief problems only China has and they will not play that game."

SERARA - "Clency, as usual you are fictionalizing the problem somewhat.  What you write is written from my critique given in the year of 2004 in the summary publication by Daniel Raphael.  In those days we saw the dollar collapse as so serious that we had to interven immediately to save the world's financial stability.  Now it appears that the Chinese Yuan is strong enough to take some of the heat of a collapsing world financial system.  If that happens much of what you suggest will happen is unlikely.  The reason is that the Yuan is now out of the trouble of the WTO, which China does not like to operate under anyhow, and the USA and China will eventually agree they need set up their own control mechanisms, and conclude a trade deal OUTSIDE OF THE WTO.  That will thrown the American dollar out the window briefly and the Yuan may become t he preferred currency, but China cannot maintain that pressure on the Yuan simply because, while they have lots of gold, their gold standard becomes subject to so much inflation, the Yuan collapses and the dollar renews itself as the currency of preference for the world to trade with.

"This seems far fetched to Ron, but I am not silly as he is at times, but Ron knows something you do not Clency.  He sees the world as a unit of pests which make their own nest of problems in search for a profit.  Ron feels the profit motivation will never cease, but it will abate, and when it does, the matter of food and water and energy becomes more or less a given in supply chains that are reinvented by man to keep civilization working somewhat.  I happen to agree with him in this completely.  But he is a wizard in that he also suspects that the United States need only call on Breton Woods Agreement we talked a lot about a few months ago, and now everybody forgets it again.  Breton Woods Agreement is the back bone of the WTO and as such will force the WTO? to understand it must give credence to the US dollar because they have all agreed to use it instead of the British Pound Sterling to buy goods on the open market.  It was good then, and it is good now, to do so.

"We are of the opinion, that Ron knows enough to split the difference between what you say and what will happen.  There will be trucking disruptions to deliver goods.  Inflation will skyrocket.  Money for lending becomes very scarce. And so on.  But be caring to note that the USA still retains the power of the US dollar and its credibility because the Magisterial Sons will back its financial system with enough gold to stop the run on the US currency we all call the dollar.

"The Magisterial Mission will provide enough gold liquidity to stop a run on the dollar and force nations states like China to fold its tent and stop borrowing money from the USA but be forced to pay itself off with debts incurred by its own Chinese population.

"For that reason alone we now have six trillion dollars in debt owed to China, bit by the USA, but by Taiwan and a host of other nations which incur debt over the Chinese Yuan design of renegotiation of debt through the USA Federal Reserve.  Why Clency you have forgotten all of this is strange but you have and now force Me, SERARA, to remind you that we are about to appear incarnate and I have a lot to say from the rostrum, just what is to be done when this things hits soon and harshly and to destroy many markets including probably the New York Stock Exchange as exchequer of the western democracies.  I leave it a that.  SERARA."

MICHAEL OF NEBADON = "Clency, what is it that brings you to post these things when you have not learned one scintilla more as to what will happen when the crisis finally hits.  The USA is still the top dog when it comes to currency revisions, and it keeps revising how to use the dollar in order to keep itself out of final debt.  If final debt occurs, that means it suddenly is forced to pay all sixteen trillion dollars out to receiving nations, and they do not deserve sixteen trillion total, but more like five or six trillion total.  The US has the gold to back that but refuses to spend it while China hordes gold and will not pay it out for its debts.  But let it lie for now, as the real crisis is in the US government and its inability to come to grips with a US President that has no sense of good news, but only bad news, and may attempt to start a war with Iran that the US wished it never would have started.  Iran is nuclear.  Iran is useless as a partner to anyone.  Iran will collapse and become a mysterious empire in history that had it all but could not get acknowledged as a good nation ever and it has never been a good nation unless it was forced to be so under the Shaw of Iran.  I am sure this subject will come up again and again, but until the USA figures out it has nothing to fear from Iran by staying put, the USA will rue the day it ever started a pin prick war with that nation state that can blackmail anyone now due to the fact it has a nuclear bomb.  Care not for Israel as Israel can defend itself well, but care for Turkey and the Arab Emirates, as Iran would love to decimate them because they are, in spite of appearances, good western allies and will never falter to defend them, but they can be removed with small nuclear devices that will poison that region with radioactivity for generations.  Thank you, I am Michael of Nebadon.  Good day."

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: US $: and what if ?

« on: May 14, 2019, 07:53:58 am »

Clency, have you forgotten all that SERARA taught us concerning the US debt and world debt and how to fix it?  Probably so when we run across articles like the one you excerpted statements concerning how huge debt is for America alone.

SERARA HERE: "I am a Magisterial Son.  I also happen to be a financial expert the world needs me in charge of redefining the word debt.  That alone will remove about half of it.  

"If we define debt only what we owe because we bought a lot of goods we used a credit card to buy it, that is the true debt.  It is not debt because we did not pay China all we owe it in gold, but in promissory notes called Federal Reserve notes.  If you would look at a printed one dollar bill, please note at the very too it says "Federal Reserve Note."   They used to say "Silver Certificate" or a long time ago, a "Gold Certificate," but no longer since President Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1974, I believe it was.   The United States was the last nation in the world to maintain a gold standard until then.

To move the United States to Federal Certificates, Nixon relied on the United States currency to stay afloat regardless of how much people demanded gold to back it with real value.  He made the mistake of making it Federal Reserve instead of Silver Certificates, and that is because he thought it would just settle back as THE reserve currency of the world and no one would argue further about it.

However, in 2008, the entire matter was brought up by China, and China asked the US Government to buy its goods with gold backing.  The United States does not have enough gold in reserve to do that due to a shortage of gold mining deliveries.  The United States then said it would deliver debt debentures in gold when it had enough gold to do that, and China flew into a rage and refused to export more than it had to to the United States.  The US then decided that was find and curbed imports from China because people in the United States saw no particular reason to buy from China, and then the economy in China went sour too.  China relented and went back to the old system, but the scare resulted in a deep recession in the United States and the rest of the world.

Now that is the history up until now.   Trump comes along and says to China, you started this fight, but we are going to finish it, and we are going to charge a small fine on your goods call tariffs to import them from you.  That sent China reeling over debt again, and this time China insisted on gold payments once more and Trump said, "in a pig's dink!"  That is an old American expression which says, get it if you can catch me or find me to collect it.  However, China now realizes it has a huge problem.  It holds about 14 trillion dollars in collateral notes of payment by  buying US bonds and not redeeming them at all.  That makes the US a huge debtor nation by any standard and that is how that article you quote sounds so astounding to hear.

Finally, true US debt is about eight (-8-) trillion dollars.  Six trillion of it belongs to China and the bonds it holds from the United States which are really promissory notes to pay for the US buying goods in the United States itself such as airplanes and other means of self defense.  The carried Abraham Lincoln now on its way to the Gulf region to force Iran back in its cage, cost the taxpayer nothing since it was all borrowed money of about sixty two billion dollars to build it.  That is an astounding amount of money, but the US defense industry rules the world yet and it will never pay debts back to an enemy but forgive itself of ever doing so and that China has learned is to its great jeopardy.

Failure of the Untied States to look upon China as a true recipient of seven trillion dollars in gold payments is ridiculous for china to expect in the first place, but it has a case it reasons is fair and equitable and makes life miserable for the American Federal Reserve.  All in all, the Magisterial Mission, once it is running fairly and equitably, will press the Federal Reserve to redo its debt structure and we will back it with gold ourselves for the true amount of debt owed, and the insist that all nations accept the gold standard once again, and force Americans to live withing their means.  That will reduce the debt itself by another five to six trillion dollars, and for the first  time since 1974, the United States is debt free.  We conclude this takes more than just imagination to understand, but it will work like a charm once we insist that the United States pay all its debts in gold and we make enough of it available, gratis (more or less a gift to the US and other countries of enough gold to pay debt off) and we then can reset the entire world federal reserve back into the black for a change.

That article inflates the actual debt by half, and that debt internet site that runs without stopping is wrong by about sixteen trillion dollars because it is based on income loss to people around the world and loss of payment in gold for most goods sold around the world.  How countries like Great Britain get away with it is hard to explain, for GB holds no debt whatsoever, and that is because they pay everything in promissory notes and has no gold reserves whatsoever.  Ron thought their central bank had plenty, but the Falklands War depleted the little they had and the United States has never give GB a single cent in gold for payment to it for its help in Iraq or other wars GB has helped the US win.  It is never going to live down the fact that the US gave it twenty two trillion dollars after 1975, and then reneged on all other debts between the two countries.  GB has every right to decide there is no real power left in the US to make up for what GB spent to be the US's best ally.  The US will repay it to GB when it can afford to do so, but right now GB and France and Germany shoulder the EU debit themselves almost alone as Italy and Cyprus and Greece are getting away with murder and stand away from servicing their national debts alone.  That is how bad this all is, and when it falls down as it will, there will be a depression so deep, we doubt the world can ever recover unless we move in with debt relief as a divine way to reset the priorities of world governments toward peace and prosperity once again.  I am SERARA and thank you for taking that all down Ron.  SERARA."

MOTHER SPIRIT = "Clency, Ron is aware of the mischief articles like this do to scare people.  You and other should at least be aware we are never sure what the United States is going to do under Trump, as we know Trump studies ways to out do the worst of the debt problems it has by releasing tickets of despair to places like China, that if it fools around with challenging the US for its first place in the world and the only true reserve currency on the planet, it will suffer the consequences from the United States, and drill China out of its rightful debt collection money.  But the truth is that China has overspent in its own right too and will falsify that by saying it is owed gold reserves from the United States, and if the US does not pay it in gold, it will cash in its bonds to the US to the tune of sixteen  trillion dollars.  The US will bulk and force the entire monetary plans of the Federal Reserve to reclassify the bonds China holds as debentures and pay it off 10 cents to the dollar as that is its true worth to the US.  That results in reducing what the US owes for those bonds by 90%!   It has every right to do that but China may go to war over such a move and that is what really concerns the Magisterial Sons at this point and the US has the upper hand in reality as not power on earth can touch the US military for its prowess in war games and so on.

"Therefore, the US is in the position to dictate the rules of the debt game by forcing china to realize it is indeed unfair in its trade practices by demanding the US pay only in gold for what it sells to the US.  The US pays no one else in gold and it stops that now as Trump has decreed no more gold bullion for China ever again.  China feels snubbed badly and that is the crux of why those two cannot get a fair trade agreement.  China insists in payment in gold.  The US says no.  It will not be worked out easily I am sure.  Mother Spirit. K"

Ron here -
Clency the entire matter of articles like this one, and they are repeated over and over all the time, is that the writers seldom understand the trade imbalance in true debt terms.  I throw my hands up at the entire matter as well because how we keep track of debt is on account balances, yet the Federal Reserve keeps that tally as gold owed to such and such country.  We now hold about sixteen trillion dollars in gold reserves in Kentucky, and that is a drop in the bucket for other nations still demand gold for debt in the US, and their demands are ove sixteen trillion dollars alone.  add that to China and what it holds in US bonds, you can add another sixteen trillion dollars of debt.  It is not true debt but insistence that we pay in gold, and there is not enough gold on Urantia to pay it with non existent gold.  The Magisterial Mission will call the false inflation of debt to be useless and reward all nations with enough gold to settle the true amount of genuine debt calculated to be about six trillion gold dollars at this time in the world.

Trade balances are minor debt.  The US trade balance is always negative these days because we import almost all clothing and almost all electronics and even automobiles from others.  Japan is owed about six trillion in US dollars on any given day but we do not pay them in gold but in bonds and then they let it ride since they are not in the mood to ever challenge the US again in anything.  China may learn this the hard way and they must decide what they want in the world besides being top, top dog beating the US in everything standard.  They can do that with one hand tied behind their back soon, but why bother when dollars still pervade the institutionalization of debt payments around the world?  I am still undecided to deliver any of this to anyone but you Clency, but you should at least understand that money plans by our American Federal Reserve, never lose money at all, and that includes the debt amounts we charge but pay off only in Federal Reserve Notes and not in silver or gold certificates as we always used to do.  

Thank you
RON  

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: The World Banking System

« on: April 25, 2019, 14:19:40 pm »

Clency please!!!!  Who ever wrote this is conspiratorial.  The Federal Reserve is fully part of the US Government and not a corporation. It is by law, independent of regulation by the Executive Branch of government and only Congress can do any regulation. It is the Treasury that has the machinery to print money and mint coins and not the Federal Reserve.  The Federal Reserve authorizes it to be printed by reducing the federal funds rate and/or by direct wire to the Treasury to print an extra ten million today in ten dollar bills, for example. It is that simple but that hard to see.


The Treasury earns money to do the job through carefully controlled seinorage fees.


See Here seinorage :
https://eml.berkeley.edu/~webfac/obstfeld/e202a_f12/seigniorage.pdf


See here who prints the money and how:
https://www.thebalance.com/is-the-federal-reserve-printing-money-3305842


The Fed does not loan the USA government any printed money, but instead lends it to banks over night through a federal reserve requirement that all banks must have sufficient reserves of cash and gold over night to meet bank demands on deposits the next day.  The Fed charges a fee to back the bank up for one night only or all week if necessary.  A bank may be short one billion dollars and asks the Fed to load it one billion dollars on demand if it is needed for the next day, and the Fed Funds rate today is pegged I think around 1.5% or thereabouts.  The bank pays the Fed daily 10.5 million dollars for that amount to get that guarantee loan.  If it has to use that one billion, it pays the FED all of it back and that is  1,000,010,500.00 (one billion ten million five hundred thousand dollars.) the next day.  Now I cut corners on this for ease of small numbers, but the fact is such a loan is unheard of in practice but this is to just illustrate how the FED would work if such a loan were requested. 


They can just pay 10.5 million for the privilege of having it available for none night and really there other fees too on a billion dollar loan like this but I am keeping it simple here.  Most banks borrow only a few million over night and pay a small fee (1.5%) if returned at once the next morning.


ALSO:

The Mega banks are not corporate banks but world institutions and are funded by countries (IMF) and not by families and no family owns them.  Brent Woods determined how to organize the world bank and  the IMF is the godchild of the United Nations.


And so on. I am sorry to say Clency, your friend handed you a right wing conspiracy paper and it is worthless, and it is almost fully and truly worthless to really understand how things really operate in the world financial community.


RON

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: New gold-backed dollar

« on: April 07, 2019, 15:34:04 pm »

Hello TrinitiLuv -  There is already some gold backing of our dollar but it is inside banks and not for trade or barter as most of us think about dollar backing.  Monjoronson tells me that the gold the US holds is minuscule compared to China and India.  Between them they hold half of all gold mined in the last two hundred years.  I also hear that China must release a lot of these reserves if it ever gets rid of the American held securities now worth about six trillion dollars. 

There is another consideration too.  Ir we back the US dollar with gold, we create a run on the pound and the Israeli shekel, and that is troubling since the US supports Israel in its territorial expansions and fights the Arabs over fueling speculation over Israeli currency.   No one really can predict what happens when the Magisterial Mission brings its gold reserved to the United States as they are dedicated to our work but we will cause many instances of inflation to dissipate quickly since we intend to stop any runs against the dollar and other related currencies such as the pound sterling.  I leave it there for now. Ron for MONJORONSON AND SERARA THIS AFTERNOON/. K.

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: The FSS

« on: April 05, 2019, 14:20:39 pm »

The best I can tell Weydevu is that this is a mountain out of a molehill with problems misreported on all sides of what is, frankly, a scandal manufactured by conspiracy theorists at best.  There cannot be enough gold and true currency in the world left to recover anything like this or verify the truth that he has secreted what is now reported as 28 trillion dollars away through some fantastic fraud of the international banks and countries.  He is, I think, a poor man who is mentally defrauded of his true identity and between suffering amnesia and a poor memory, is out of jail for credit card fraud and more in Wisconsin.  You wanna fool with this stuff where protective clothing and leave your mind in a safe house.  Ron

From: https://ppia.fandom.com/wiki/Leo_Wanta

Ambassador Leo Wanta was falsely arrested in Switzerland in 1993 for allegedly attempting to defraud a bank of 81 million dollars. He had diplomatic immunity as the ambassador of Somalia . . .  He was deported to New York and a U.S. Magistrate Alyne Ross dismissed all false allegations and then Wisconsin, on unrelated tax charges.Template:Fact In 1995, Wanta was falsely convicted of tax evasion and sentenced to an eight-year prison term in the State of Wisconsin.[2] Wanta's Unauthorized State Public Defender claimed that his client was delusional,Template:Fact and really believed to be a mandated secret agent of President R W Reagan, now being disappeared at the behest of powerful Political figures.

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: New gold-backed dollar

« on: April 05, 2019, 11:37:34 am »

Hello Clency.  Insofar as I know, there is no contact with our proposals from on high in Trump stating that.

Nevertheless, the rumor mill is generating quite a storm up over his comments yet I know really nothing that he has a hold of to make this statement of his workable.  He cannot afford gold backing as that would put the lie to a dollar so overvalued right now that gold will never make it viable again as it once was.  The gold standard will come back so long as their is enough gold to back a currency or the dollar currency too.  I am sure this is a hot discussion on high too as we must have the good sense to run this country based on gold reserves.  At one time I was very much against doing that , but the debt problem is astounding and it will kill us unless we do something about it at once.  That's about all I can say on the subject at this time.  RON


MACHIVENTA MELCHIZEDEK -  "You all are fully aware that the Magisterial work at this time is to make choices well done with our bank which Ron uses now for all of his accounts except one and that is for his own personal use.  I am sure this entire matter could be settled with the US if they would listen but the Chairman of the Federal Reserve pretends to know it all and will not listen to our representative about what must be done so we are going to have to hit him hard with market events and that is scheduled to happen soon enough when confidence in the dollar shrinks to a record low but currency traders.

"I am sure there are good reason for what Clency has read or heard, but Trump has no way to deal this way until he has the gold to do it and that is not his if he keeps running around the world making peace without a sou to his name to enforce what they agree with in peace or profit.  I am not sure there is much to tell you, but the United States has about ten trillion dollars out around the world in bank notes and financial schemes.  If China called in its bond holdings of eight trillion dollars, the US would be insolvent and would crash the stock market at the expense of China as well, and as such, the trial ends about which Federal Reserve is workable any more.  I suspect that the Chairman of that institution has no real concept what happens to him and the Federal REserve if it is  taken down by someone reclaiming their rightful capital.  We close for now/  Machiventa Melchizedek."

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: The FSS

« on: March 06, 2019, 14:12:10 pm »

My goodness, Dominick!  Frankly your remarks are at the doctoral level.  And they are refreshing perspective to listen to.  Now I know there are deep still waters from you we need very much as opinion around our Commissioner's table.  I will be in touch and you need to listen to me this time and not throw me out before you really read what I have to say.  You are in a big hurry sometimes and I am the same and I make mistakes.  Watch your email today or tomorrow.

Let me respond to your analysis above.  I think you are clearly stating the truth.  We are on the brink of a financial disaster because of our huge debt load even here in the rich United States.  We hold some things too well in the country, and that we always have the financial clout to take on the worst of the worst in international situations.  I do not doubt that our financial clout is huge, but so is the impending financial disaster.  And before anyone says to me (or you) this is pipe dreaming again, they should notice that the Untied States debt agreement in Brenton Woods guarantees that the United States, will have the dollar supported by any an all central banks around the world should the US call in its chips.

Perhaps the Federal Reserve does know this, but one should not count on them to remember it.  I am also sure that the Brenton Woods agreement of 1945 is still operable and I hope you read its work here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system

And that is because it is the most basic world financial agreement still oeprating anywhere today.

Brenton Woods (named after a village in New Hampshire) was an attempt by the victors of WWII, to ensure a tranquil world.  What they inadvertently did was to establish a world wide central bank centered on the United States.  No one is looking closely at the agreement and is quite enforceable today.  I am telling you this because you are stating the principle in the agreement which says something to the effect that the United States won WWII and must now pay for policing it financially and militarily (I added militarily) and that its obligation is international and not nationalist or recovering the very bad idea of isolationism, which is being tested today with a Trump administration.  Larry Kudlow, whom I happen to think a lot of, states for the President that isolationism is not bad so long as you have a lot of friends.  That is an oxymoron statement for sure and sound non logical but the ideal situation is always now isolate oneself because the human is not designed for himself or his government to be without friends.

I have SERARA  here, and he is a recognized financial expert throughout the Local Universe and beyond. 

SERARA - The Magisterial Son of Record for Urantia and Panoptia now -
"The meeting we are looking at which Clency inquires about is not a good one to get involved with ourselves.  But the fact we do have interest in this area of concern, should be looked at by the Melchizedeks as you state Dominick.  Ron is greatly impressed you have any of this knowledge, and Ron sits at my feet from time to tiem to hear my view of the United States and its financial dealings.  It is I who insists that Ron learn the big deal Brenton Woods does for the world, but he does not yet take the time to read the agreement which is only about six pages long and that is brevity they no longer use in government.  In our world of Deity, we never fully understand why man cuts himself short all the time when it comes to resources, and in this case they did the right thing for the wrong reason.  But we will not go into that for now.  I am SERARA and here is MONJORONSON to finish this off."

MONJORONSON, Co-Chair of the Magisterial Mission on Urantia, and the Chief of the Council of the Magisterial Sons on Paradise:

"I speak well now, as Ron is slowly recovering from a frightful bout of disappearing assets and he thought he was going to die again but today he is slightly revocered.  That is always good news and we speak this because Ron, of all things, sees your brilliance of thought, Dominick.  You are a lucky man to show it and he is going to write you an important email shortly so watch your mail please.

"With regard to Brenton Wood, look at it for your own good and recognize it as the premier agreement still operating on Urantia.  Few governments understand they are obligated to support the United States in the midst of a financial crisis.  Be assured they do and they will in spite of their lackluster ability to fend off debt themselves.  You all must recognize that Ron is a leading proponent of the backing of currency with gold now that he understands that Nixon did it out of pique and we must replace it again with a gold reserve and a backing of currency in effect now and again.  We are sure that the financial crunch will hit hard later this year but toward the end of the year rather than in the middle.  In spite of that Dominick, you are in a good position as you are, and that is fairly rare for you considering the size of the family you are raising and more on the way.  We consider the entire matter blase but be careful not enlarge that family further until you have the financial clout you need to raise them properly.  Your analysis is right on and you should congratulate yourself to speak out on this as Ron is looking for a few good men to fill in that gap with him for help in the Magisterial Mission personnel he has to fill in with the very best.  You seem to have made the grade with him on these statements.  That he recognizes it should affirm to you you are dealing with a VIP when it comes to logging the best possible position in the Magisterial Mission: the co-worker with SERARA on financial matters.  Thank you.  MONJORONSON. K"

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: The FSS

« on: March 06, 2019, 13:00:52 pm »

Clency, I am not well informed over his meeting or even the issue.  I wish you had taken the time to tell us who organized this meeting and where they are drawing the attendees from?   Are these the multinational corporations and with the big names like Google and General Motors and big names from Europe and Asia.  Is China represented with their large corporations?  I am sure it makes a big difference to the Magisterial Sons to lean at what level these CIO's and CFO's are coming from.  I am sure you see the point I am asking about and I would appreciate if you respond to this as quickly as possible to see if it is usable for the work of the Magisterial Mission on Urantia.  Thanks for the post.
RON

MONJORONSON , the Magisterial Son of Co-Record on Urantia -  "We see this meeting right now too low level as Ron says to pay much attention to it.  But until you mentioned it we did not know it was taking place.  If you could answer Ron please we would be happy to review it for attending it if it has merit for us.  MONJORONSON. K."

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: The NESARA/GESARA Law

« on: February 26, 2019, 10:43:12 am »

SERARA: the FINANCIAL OFFICER FOR THE WORLD OF URANTIA IN THE coming Magisterial Mission on Urantia.

"I am SERARA, and the truth is that this agreement is useless.  No country has been able to amass enough gold to back their currency at all.  It is up to me to bring gold to Urantia in quantities that sustain the idea of NESARA and its now law modified name GESERA.  If you, Clency, want a real name on your face for financial trusts and interests, read the Federal Reserves recent posting on how to figure out who has the gold and who does not.  It is excellent and you should copy it and paste right into the section with Ron's approval.  I am short of time this morning but be advised I will not us GESERA at all because it is, as usual, so short sighted we are unable to include all of the world;s influential calls for gold and there be none available because it is so rare on Urantia.  That said, the United States and China, between them, hold about 80 percent of available gold reserves, with Chine owning over half of that number for itself.  They are shrewd business people and they can cause world wide depression but that is cutting their nose off to spite their own face and will not do that to the world or themselves.  I leave the rest of it for Ron to explain."  SERARA

MONJORONSON, the other Magisterial Son for the Magisterial Mission on Urantia  speaks -  "I see nothing for GESERA, and please notice as Ron has that GESERA is a true acronym for  SERARA.  There is no G but is remarkably close.  In any case I am leaving for Urantia in about six weeks from yesterday, and will see Ron on March 11th in York with Gitz and Gossett with a new idea about money.  We are now receiving reports that Ron is ready to spring for a new vehicle again and needs a truck and that is expensive doings for anyone and that is his to do IF we can park in his driveway on 11 March and let things fly.  You are looking at things Ron correctly and he must be reminded that it is all it takes to be sure of things for him to get things done better but he refuses to listen well over issues of State near at hand.  I digress briefly for Ron's sake . . . . .

"In any case Ron the trial for Clency is not your reminder he keeps looking for solutions on Urantia when the solutions are on Uversa and Salvington and we will use them for the coming financial summit in Washington in about four weeks.  We will be there fully clothed as a finance minister of an important country.  We will make news by announcing we will bring to the table all the gold they need to finance the debts of thirty industrial nations easily, but that it must be regarded as a gift before it has to be paid for and the US will benefit most as its gold reser4ves are puny compared to China and china won;t spend a dime of it without going into receivership because the US holds the rights to all gold on Urantia as Bretton Woods
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system
stipulates all nations must back the US dollar in the event of a financial crisis and the US Fed  knows this and depends on it for good policy decisions.

MARGUL Trinity Teacher Son speaks -  Monjoronson was called away and I take over for Him -  "Bretton Woods is neither a safe bet or a good bet for the United States but we are going to enforce it right up to the last jot and tittle of its last paragraph.  It is well thought out and Ron has provided an excellent article in the link provided above.  It is unknown to most of you yet you want to talk about the gold reserves and the United States and so on but just do not know why we are based on reserves as we are.  Look at this article and you will understand why it is so important.  Learn what it stands for and understand that GSERA references it at least fifty times and that is the current international law for the way the Federal Reserve operates today.   Thank you and I am Margul and here is Henson."

HENSON - "I am a Magisterial Son attached to the Monjoronson-Serara axis of work on Urantia.  I bring you this news:

"URANTIA is being consumed by high power sparks off a meteor very soon due to the release of nearly six tons of ammonia into the NIle River by the AIDS epidemic laboratories near by.  It is dumped there to kill the fish they think start AIDS.  This is erroneous and it must be stopped and we are delcaring an emergency at once to stop these AH's from doing more damage to life all up and down the Nile from Cairo to the Mediterranean Sea. Fish eat worms and do not reproduce AIDS viruses and what does is called bushmeat and that is explained in the new book Ron has developed and just put on hold to add another section.  We wish him well.  Margul."

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: The BIS

« on: February 17, 2019, 11:25:27 am »

Clency, I feel the individual who wrote this article really knows the score.  But it is a controversial theory about cabals at best as capitalism is never sure it has enough money ever, and the people who are capitalists are never sure they have enough control.  The BIS is one of thousands of control points in capitalism to keep things liquid and controllable but it is not, by itself, an institution made to be the instrument of bankers or other complainers about who controls all the money.

I cannot think of a time in history that money and wealth ever flowed down.  It always flows up and today there are many greedy hands out and they will fold pretty badly purely on the basis their wants are never met.  We on the bottom work all our years as they do, but that is not the result of any ethic most of us share fully as it is tiring to do the same thing day in and day out and barely make ends meet.  The wealthy do well and we do not, but they are as much a part of a capitalism that is failing to provide civilization the lubrication it needs to improve for the next jump in civilization which is really world government and a world currency,  But even if that can be reached there will always be some groups of people who wind up with the say so and control of how the banking system works, who pays how much in taxes, and money will always accumulate in depositories that reek of unfair practices all the time. 

It appears using money at all is the root of all financial difficulties for almost all of us.  Great wealth is political and national in its accumulation, but I doubt that we will ever see the day money is used equitably much less fairly.  The nature of the beast is criminal yet is associable to every one of us who love what it does if we just had more.

RON

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: Lucifer

« on: January 17, 2019, 01:12:24 am »

Hi Occerpa.  You are correct all accounts have to be approved by me and I do the best I can without knowing either the credentials of the member applicant or what his or her intentions are.  Normally that is fine and we get some really nice new members through that process.  It is only when aberrant behavior develops do I begin to understand that the motivation of a new member is not for education or to have a discussion, but when they show they are here more to disrupt the membership on the forum in a way that would quickly dissolve the forum for any good use again, I generally remove them.  This time he removed himself by going to his own account and deleting it.  You can tell when that happens when suddenly the name in past posts shows them as a GUEST only.  That is what Silva did.

Now I had no idea what he really was complaining about other than he just spewed untruthful gibberish.  He then committed suicide and deleted his account.  My question was directed to you since you responded to him well and that made me think you saw reasons better than I did for his recent behavior.  I am at sea over this and have ended any concern by accepting he left on his on accord now and I am happy he did.  Thanks for your post. 
Ron -

MICHAEL OF NEBADON -
"Occerpa you must be more caring when you respond to a new member as he took your response better than Ron responded, as both of you missed the point he was claiming to be Jesus, and that he resented Ron speaking as though he knew Jesus, which he does.  The truth of the matter is you are in your cups sometimes and it shows in your writing.  Ron just ignores that part of your response and knows you have a problem of clarity sometimes because of your enjoyment.  You are a respected member of this forum and I hope you understand Ron looks to you for thought he cannot get anywhere else.  This is Michael and you are soon to find yourself up a tree on some other issues around you and we  wish you well to handle them for yourself.  Good Day.  Michael of Nebadon."

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: Lucifer

« on: January 17, 2019, 00:09:37 am »

According to my software dashboard, Silva removed his account.

Occerpa if you understand this character please tell me about him as he had promise but blew a gasket and disappeared in a cloud of white smoke.   I hardly understand people like this as he was welcomed and invited to participate in a discussion.  Silva if you are lurking now, there is no chance coming back until your get a new gasket.
Ron

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: Lucifer

« on: January 16, 2019, 09:18:19 am »

Thanks for your reply Occerpa and I question a little more than you do, but I see Silva is quite a thinker.  And to you Silva, first welcome aboard, and second:  you are quite familiar, I see,  with the fifth epochal revelation and that is by judging your vocabulary in your first post to this forum.


Silva, I ask you, why did you post this in the US Dollar category?  Yes, we have a financial and monetary system that is ruthless.  Seems to me all financial systems are or can be ruthless and teach only the difficulties of making a living on Urantia.  But I am interested in the connection in your ways of mind association as to how your message this morning points to the dollar category as somehow relevant to your view of the corruption of man and the loss of the Semite thought once again, that all things are one and that all things consist in God.  This is not a criticism but a thought in me that I will learn your reasons for taking this thought category to explain what you have in mind that is helpful to us and myself.  That is not an ironic statement but a curiosity of mine about what drives your heart here and how you see it.


As I write this I have less than an  hour before we start these difficult meetings on behalf of all of you and you Silva seem to be aware of the process we three are going through this morning at my home in York, Pennsylvania.  In less than one hour from now as it is approaching half past nine am in York right now, and that is to resume the second day of four days of meetings where we directly address many subjects with the divine over how to organize an answer to your (almost) prayer that the Semite Kingdom is profoundly disturbed and lost over the rest of mankind totally miscalling the Advent of Jesus once more.  The entire matter this morning is so obscure to me, yet I am in the middle of such a discussion with the divine with my two other colleague Commissioners with me this morning.

Because of imprecise timing this morning and the soon convening of a Contact Commission meeting, I do not have the time I usually would place on your post.  What I am seeking from you is to explain yourself a little more so I can get on the beam of your views as they potentially are a fresh breeze to listen to and work with you.  The problem with a discussion forum you cannot see my body language or can I see yours except by inference, and so I need to ask some more words from you on this question:

Question to Silva:  "Where do you stand and view Lucifer and his present role in our presentation in York that the Second Advent is soon to appear to wipe Lucifer off the map?"  Thoughts please.

Ron Besser
Co-Chair of the Commitment to destroying all that Lucifer stands for.

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Example of False Revelation / Re: The Urantia Foundation vs Millennium III & The Matter of False Revelation

« on: January 07, 2019, 23:12:00 pm »

Sue, I explained cogently why this publication is the responsibility of the Urantia Foundation to police and to provide the defense of the fifth epochal revelation as part of its Declaration of Trust which establishes the right of the Urantia Foundation to act on behalf of the Revelatory Commission's work.  In effect the Declaration of Trust between God and the Incorporation of the Urantia Foundation and its Board of Trustees, and thereby sets up the fiduciary principle to protect and distribute the fifth epochal revelation.   While the Revelatory Commission is not the authority to present the revelation, it is the Revelatory Commission that placed it in the hands of the First Contact Commission and assumed all rights and obligations of the covenant to the Urantia Foundation, as such.

In my statement to warn the Urantia Foundation that the Millennium III - Urantia is a publication which circumvents the work of the First Revelatory Commission by being allowed to be bought and sold along side the Urantia Book, the fifth epochal revelation to Urantia, they have either wittingly or unwittingly allowed an illustration of human interpretation to disallow the divine intention to be the final authority as to meaning and content of the fifth epochal revelation and not a human interpretation to succeed it as an advertised update to the Urantia Book, the fifth epochal revelation.

The publication named Millennium III - Urantia, or as it is fully titled on the Amazon.Com web site for others to view, does not persuade any one that it is a human aide to understanding the fifth epochal revelation, and insinuates it is a superior edition of parts of the fifth epochal revelation, and is thereby considered by most to elucidate corrections not manufactured by the First Revelatory Commission.

The fiduciary responsibility inherent in the Declaration of Trust, is to manufacture reprints of the fifth epochal revelation and not introduce corrections in a separate publication for the fifth epochal revelation.  That the Urantia Foundation has failed to provide the planet Urantia and its population, and is thereby advised they must fulfill that what the Declaration of Trust states equivocally that as a representative of the work of the First Revelatory Committee, they must accept protection of any other statements as true concerning the equivalency of the truth of the original fifth epochal revelation as produce by the First Revelatory Committee.

I do not speak for the Ancients of Days, which are the original authorization for contact between the First Revelatory Committee and the Sadler Contact Commission.  Other authorities intervened between the Sadler Contact Commission and the Salvington government and its authorization to provide epochal revelation to one of its inhabited planets, namely Urantia.  But I do speak for the Magisterial Foundation, with its duly authorized Second Contact Commission on behalf of all epochal revelation past or present or in the future.  My authority is vested also in a Declaration of Trust, now held in escrow until such time as the Magisterial Foundation may proceed with the distribution of the sixth epochal revelation specially perceived on November 16 and November 17, 2018, at 2709 Sunset Lane, York, Pennsylvania, whereby the Second Contact Commission received the Oath of Service to the Paradise Trinity, the Ancients of Days by representation of Margul, the Trinity Teacher Son of record for Light and Life Commission now established on Urantia, and by Michael of Nebadon, to whom we swore an Oath of Fealty and of Service to as well.  These documents are the spirit advocation that the Second Revelatory Commission was activated and sworn properly to undertake the work of revelation in general on Urantia, and to provide with specificity the Sixth Epochal Revelation and a temporary work of Periodic Revelation to the planet Urantia.  The Second Contact Commission is at work on all of this already and must content with the Urantia Foundation, that their failure to provide adequate protection under their promissory assignment to the First Revelatory Commission is valid until the Urantia Foundation exists no more.

The Magisterial Foundation is fully established and is the bulwark of the Magisterial Mission and is lauded for its sincere desire to protect the fifth epochal revelation when it is assigned to do so and before it, the fifth epochal revelation, is removed to make room for the sixth epochal revelation upon a date given in secret in the Councils of the Most Highs on Edentia.

Further, the Magisterial Foundation is not the litigant in this matter but that private charity has asked it subsidiaries, the Starbridge Group and/or the Starbridge Foundation, to plead the case for an injunction to halt the sale and dispersion of the aforesaid Millennium III - Urantia  manuscript.

I dare make no further move to plead this case until the Second Contact Commission meets at 2709 Sunset Lane mid January this year and to receive the official proclamation as to these views held by the Second Contact Commission, and the views of the Salvington Government to compose views and proceed if there is no response from the Urantia Foundation and its intentions made known.

- - - - - Now Sue.  To understand this better you have to make sure you understand the word fiduciary and the responsibilities it sets up in a charitable corporation as the 501 c 3 Urantia Foundation operates. You need only to Google search those numbers to read the rules of operation for a charity. You also need to read the on line presentation of the Declaration of Trust provided  to the Sadler Commission to establish themselves as representatives of epochal revelation to Urantia.  Further it would help to understand what a Contact Commission is and how it was used to produce the Urantia Papers from the beginning and how it operated with the authority of Gabriel of Salvington, who enforced the idea of secrecy and sincerity, and that was to be sure that the Papers received by special means were fully incorporated into any retyping the First Contact Commission, did to read to the then Forum used for understanding and approval of concept ease of understanding. 

I also remit to you that to provide yourself a better picture of what is involved in Foundation operations that you read the Mullin's Urantia History.  And it would not harm to read the Moyer History on line for free of the Urantia formation and subsequent history, full of his views of the devil but otherwise replete in a way the Mullins history is not.  After this explanation to you unless it is seriously a good question, I will recuse myself until after the Contact Commission meetings beginning January 15th of this year.

Ron Besser
MICHAEL OF NEBADON STATEMENT:
"I let Ron tell it as it is and I see he has it down pat.  However, I am in control of the Second Contact Commission, and they are beholden to the direction of the Magisterial Foundation.  It is the Magisterial Foundation that will distribute the sixth epochal revelation and any prior periodic revelation as well.  I hold all harmless until final decisions are made later this month and will make no further statements as to this hiatus of thought Ron has long harbored and is set free over a ludicrous publication that should never have seen the light of day.

"Sue you are too distant to understand the history knows backwards and forwards about how the Urantia Book came to be.  He also knows it did not have an immaculate birth which the Urantia Foundation itself does not know about.  Ron wishes to do a real history but has been stopped to provide us the dissemination of the sixth epochal revelation and to produce periodic revelation.  He sees the publication of this false pretension an article of gross confusion and holds the Urantia Foundation fully responsible for not protecting the fifth epochal revelation sufficiently to prevent this so-called update he detests as I do.  WE are a team, the Second Contact Commission, with Nebadon and the Ancients of Days that have spoken to the meetings attended with what are now three Contact Commissioners.  I hold them ready to do our bidding and wait until there is a meeting between them, my Melchizedeks, and any other Authority of high spirit which may wish to attend.  I am Michael of Nebadon and wish you all a good day."
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