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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: GOLD AND COMING FINANCIAL LOSSES - SERARA MAGISTERIAL SON
« on: October 24, 2019, 12:54:27 pm »
GOLD AS THE MOTHER OF ALL DEBT
i asked MICHAEL OF NEBADON to place this topic under a separate post in this topic. I happen to believe that gold is so over rated it cannot hold back the ravages of what we have to deal with as a nation or as a world.
SERARA = "Finally I have the protection needed to speak my piece and that is to bring about a consensus on Urantia, that dependence on gold is useless. Over all the world has nearly eighty trillion dollars in debt to work off. That is monetary value already used up by the people who are born on Urantia, and what they pay in credit to purchase goods and services. Debt of that nature is intrinsic on any planet with humans on it; however, in the case of Urantia, that debt is never worked off because those who supply goods and services, hat to borrow money in the first place to make those goods and services available. K"
THE DEITY ABSOLUTE. "Ron did what I hoped he would do and asked what is debt but an imaginary accounting that in reality has no plus or minus sign on it except withing a monetary system invented by man? He is absolutely right, and you Clency see it that way too and wonder when push came to shove, debt is not real because you cannot squeeze paybacks out of a turnip when it has no blood left in it, to mix our metaphors. In truth, you and Ron are right and the central banks forget they can clear the board and refuse to pay debts imaginary or real at will. The Bank of Japan did this after WWI, as a defeated nation they broke all the rules and stopped paying for goods and services delivered to Japan until 1953 or so. Until then each man and woman in Japan had to finance their own households through a barter system still in place in Japan particularly. Japan will survive much better than the rest of the world entirely in a deep depression we also feel is coming.
"Therefore, we remind SERARA, that Ron and Clency can afford to wait out a deep depression barely because they have both been wisely counseled to stay in liquid assets and Ron insists that US Treasuries are worthless soon enough due to the fact they are an imaginary accounting system that has the idea of a monetary unit worth a given amount of goods and services from other humans, and that is subjective and not objectively well reasoned at all. Man determines how much something is worth in a currency, not God, and God sees no intrinsic value in a laborer or a prince working to produce a widget every day except that the widget is useful for the moment to another in the community somewhere.
"It is for that reason Ron and Clency both reason they should stay liquid and forget 401 K's and the like and let the world balance itself on its own ledger sheets and the spend that accounting as they must but no more trusting the instruments of debt as just promissory. For that reason both Ron and Clency have chosen the right solution to advise others they are never going to play the game of bonds or other instruments of debt national or corporate. That makes us wonder why the rest of the world does not adopt this policy too, but most people fail to understand money at all. Ron;s brother has a fortune in gold backed securities but probably loses it all if this thing hits. It will in some form says SERARA, but it may be a glancing blow in one nation and a dire circumstance in another nation too. Be assured the timing of recession or depression is a lark and cannot be pinpointed that easily.
"The 2008 deep recession was caused by Japan asking the US for gold and the US saying no because it deflated the currency too much in the United States not but in Japan and they already were being paid in gold reserves by many other countries and had plenty. That hurt the US and Japan relationship but they survived it. Now we understand Japan wishes the US to pay in gold again and has refused again as well. The point is that man in the US is playing a tricky game and not ready to become happy debtors to Japan or anyone else. Ron paid cash for his car three years ago unheard of and started a riot of jokes over his use of paper money up here. But then we looked at it and saw that Ron wished no debt to harass him or heirs and said no, I am not going to play that game at all, and paid it off immediately. The substantial sum was amortized by the dealer to buys six new vehicles to put on their lot and he is still considered the monk of delivery of goodness to that dealer forever.
"This just gives you the idea that debt is a roulette. It truly is and you are never going to hear why that is so without paying attention Ron and nobody is at the door now. Good. I am SERARA and you Ron make this easy when I am hearing you clearly. In any case the idea of debt is ludicrous because it is artificial and the mobs and hit men all paid with their lives for nothing over debt so often we lost count in the resurrection halls just what we lost because of that. Now this:
"I am SERARA and the last chance we have to chat for a long time is now Ron, so we need to lay a few things on line for you.
1 - The Magisterial Sons have given in to the height of folly on Urantia and quit the idea of reform entirely. No more reasons to speak except as friends as you like to call it;
2 - The Magisterial Sons favor your review for the SER immensely but care nothing about the SERENA style bossing and she is likely to leave shortly due to a new order coming out of Paradise you are to be left unhampered to complete your work period. This is in respect to the idea that nothing matters to you except to get the SER out and read, We fully agree with that and support it if we could be there;
3 - The loss of the Magisterial Missions hits you hard Ron, as you fully believed they were a Renaissance for Urantia, and they would have been, but MICHAEL OF NEBADON cannot afford to be out of the fairness of a Paradise FATHER who sees to all needs he cannot bring about Himself. That is fair and equitable but stop the capitalization when I speak. Be assured that is the old fashion idea Machiventa Melchizedek insists upon now. That Renaissance will come by man alone and that is far, far, far away from what we could have done. Be assured there is a Jesus component to this which will help a little but that is far away right now.
4 - We are sure you know the rules and regulations of taxes and you are not under the gun yet but be careful Ron on how you handle large sums of money for the Magisterial Foundation and let your accountant know what you are doing so they can help you avoid the problems that will erupt when the US government starts to lose so much income it must declare bankruptcy at the national level and go after any money due it legally. You so far have followed the prudent course in all matters and that stands well as you are one of the few the IRS trusts to fess up if there is a question about expenditures. So are this year you are well under what you spent other years over issues of State we had much to do with. SN the accountant is worth the price but you were outraged by their avarice and decided to do the work on your own where you could and let the rest to a ma and pa shop. That is not prudent but fair enough for now. And this:
5 - The Magisterial Foundation which issues the SER is in need of a transfer of more funds to the account Ron, but you do not have them. That is the usual fare anyhow and that is how and why a group like this is valuable, but they do not have the necessary funds either. As a result of that the Michael government at Salvington, must make amends and does so quickly and immediately for you Those funds are necessary and prudent but never touch Starbridge Group (SG) at all or ever again and dissipate those funds and keep them low as the State has good reason to eye them as capital unworkable until you move it out and claim near zero in that account. Buy nothing but make sure you show the income going out for services to the Magisterial Foundation shortly. We will direct them for you.
6 - The United Sttes will outlast all other countries for good behavior in a financial crisis but the time is coming that the Federal Reserve will end its exculpatory needs for funding others it must keep going like Great Britain truly and likely France. You are truly outside of your purview but listen we are ready to come back in and stuff this entire regal business of God the Supreme back into place and allow you some peace again Ron. In any case we assign the US a place to remake the world if it will just lie down and prepared a peace plan it can afford and prepare its true allies France and Great Britain a place in the sun with it. It has got to amalgamate national governments into the idea of world government with obligatory principles and tie economic well being to its multiple needs to bring the US into the world notice as a super power without harm. That is its main job for the future and we leave this alone for now. Thank you. SERARA and MONJORONSON, The MAGISTERIAL SONS OF RECORD TO URANTIA no longer. K"
END
i asked MICHAEL OF NEBADON to place this topic under a separate post in this topic. I happen to believe that gold is so over rated it cannot hold back the ravages of what we have to deal with as a nation or as a world.
SERARA = "Finally I have the protection needed to speak my piece and that is to bring about a consensus on Urantia, that dependence on gold is useless. Over all the world has nearly eighty trillion dollars in debt to work off. That is monetary value already used up by the people who are born on Urantia, and what they pay in credit to purchase goods and services. Debt of that nature is intrinsic on any planet with humans on it; however, in the case of Urantia, that debt is never worked off because those who supply goods and services, hat to borrow money in the first place to make those goods and services available. K"
THE DEITY ABSOLUTE. "Ron did what I hoped he would do and asked what is debt but an imaginary accounting that in reality has no plus or minus sign on it except withing a monetary system invented by man? He is absolutely right, and you Clency see it that way too and wonder when push came to shove, debt is not real because you cannot squeeze paybacks out of a turnip when it has no blood left in it, to mix our metaphors. In truth, you and Ron are right and the central banks forget they can clear the board and refuse to pay debts imaginary or real at will. The Bank of Japan did this after WWI, as a defeated nation they broke all the rules and stopped paying for goods and services delivered to Japan until 1953 or so. Until then each man and woman in Japan had to finance their own households through a barter system still in place in Japan particularly. Japan will survive much better than the rest of the world entirely in a deep depression we also feel is coming.
"Therefore, we remind SERARA, that Ron and Clency can afford to wait out a deep depression barely because they have both been wisely counseled to stay in liquid assets and Ron insists that US Treasuries are worthless soon enough due to the fact they are an imaginary accounting system that has the idea of a monetary unit worth a given amount of goods and services from other humans, and that is subjective and not objectively well reasoned at all. Man determines how much something is worth in a currency, not God, and God sees no intrinsic value in a laborer or a prince working to produce a widget every day except that the widget is useful for the moment to another in the community somewhere.
"It is for that reason Ron and Clency both reason they should stay liquid and forget 401 K's and the like and let the world balance itself on its own ledger sheets and the spend that accounting as they must but no more trusting the instruments of debt as just promissory. For that reason both Ron and Clency have chosen the right solution to advise others they are never going to play the game of bonds or other instruments of debt national or corporate. That makes us wonder why the rest of the world does not adopt this policy too, but most people fail to understand money at all. Ron;s brother has a fortune in gold backed securities but probably loses it all if this thing hits. It will in some form says SERARA, but it may be a glancing blow in one nation and a dire circumstance in another nation too. Be assured the timing of recession or depression is a lark and cannot be pinpointed that easily.
"The 2008 deep recession was caused by Japan asking the US for gold and the US saying no because it deflated the currency too much in the United States not but in Japan and they already were being paid in gold reserves by many other countries and had plenty. That hurt the US and Japan relationship but they survived it. Now we understand Japan wishes the US to pay in gold again and has refused again as well. The point is that man in the US is playing a tricky game and not ready to become happy debtors to Japan or anyone else. Ron paid cash for his car three years ago unheard of and started a riot of jokes over his use of paper money up here. But then we looked at it and saw that Ron wished no debt to harass him or heirs and said no, I am not going to play that game at all, and paid it off immediately. The substantial sum was amortized by the dealer to buys six new vehicles to put on their lot and he is still considered the monk of delivery of goodness to that dealer forever.
"This just gives you the idea that debt is a roulette. It truly is and you are never going to hear why that is so without paying attention Ron and nobody is at the door now. Good. I am SERARA and you Ron make this easy when I am hearing you clearly. In any case the idea of debt is ludicrous because it is artificial and the mobs and hit men all paid with their lives for nothing over debt so often we lost count in the resurrection halls just what we lost because of that. Now this:
"I am SERARA and the last chance we have to chat for a long time is now Ron, so we need to lay a few things on line for you.
1 - The Magisterial Sons have given in to the height of folly on Urantia and quit the idea of reform entirely. No more reasons to speak except as friends as you like to call it;
2 - The Magisterial Sons favor your review for the SER immensely but care nothing about the SERENA style bossing and she is likely to leave shortly due to a new order coming out of Paradise you are to be left unhampered to complete your work period. This is in respect to the idea that nothing matters to you except to get the SER out and read, We fully agree with that and support it if we could be there;
3 - The loss of the Magisterial Missions hits you hard Ron, as you fully believed they were a Renaissance for Urantia, and they would have been, but MICHAEL OF NEBADON cannot afford to be out of the fairness of a Paradise FATHER who sees to all needs he cannot bring about Himself. That is fair and equitable but stop the capitalization when I speak. Be assured that is the old fashion idea Machiventa Melchizedek insists upon now. That Renaissance will come by man alone and that is far, far, far away from what we could have done. Be assured there is a Jesus component to this which will help a little but that is far away right now.
4 - We are sure you know the rules and regulations of taxes and you are not under the gun yet but be careful Ron on how you handle large sums of money for the Magisterial Foundation and let your accountant know what you are doing so they can help you avoid the problems that will erupt when the US government starts to lose so much income it must declare bankruptcy at the national level and go after any money due it legally. You so far have followed the prudent course in all matters and that stands well as you are one of the few the IRS trusts to fess up if there is a question about expenditures. So are this year you are well under what you spent other years over issues of State we had much to do with. SN the accountant is worth the price but you were outraged by their avarice and decided to do the work on your own where you could and let the rest to a ma and pa shop. That is not prudent but fair enough for now. And this:
5 - The Magisterial Foundation which issues the SER is in need of a transfer of more funds to the account Ron, but you do not have them. That is the usual fare anyhow and that is how and why a group like this is valuable, but they do not have the necessary funds either. As a result of that the Michael government at Salvington, must make amends and does so quickly and immediately for you Those funds are necessary and prudent but never touch Starbridge Group (SG) at all or ever again and dissipate those funds and keep them low as the State has good reason to eye them as capital unworkable until you move it out and claim near zero in that account. Buy nothing but make sure you show the income going out for services to the Magisterial Foundation shortly. We will direct them for you.
6 - The United Sttes will outlast all other countries for good behavior in a financial crisis but the time is coming that the Federal Reserve will end its exculpatory needs for funding others it must keep going like Great Britain truly and likely France. You are truly outside of your purview but listen we are ready to come back in and stuff this entire regal business of God the Supreme back into place and allow you some peace again Ron. In any case we assign the US a place to remake the world if it will just lie down and prepared a peace plan it can afford and prepare its true allies France and Great Britain a place in the sun with it. It has got to amalgamate national governments into the idea of world government with obligatory principles and tie economic well being to its multiple needs to bring the US into the world notice as a super power without harm. That is its main job for the future and we leave this alone for now. Thank you. SERARA and MONJORONSON, The MAGISTERIAL SONS OF RECORD TO URANTIA no longer. K"
END