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General Discussion / Re: Transmission from Michael of Nebadon 09 May 2024

« Last post by Ron Besser on May 09, 2024, 12:43:29 pm »

Steven, thank you for saying so.  I am not aware of a Lightline today.  Things have gotten out of hand for schedules and I do not remember having a Lightline for today Thursday.  But write back to let me know, did I say there would be a Lightline today?  I honest to goodness do not remember at all.  Please let me know. . . .  Thanks.  Ron

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AUDIO TAPE Links - Comments - Schedule inside / Re: ARTHURA: Missions & Spiritual Ecology & Economy. Jesus and Michael. LL 05.07.24

« Last post by SonsofGod on May 09, 2024, 12:40:48 pm »

050724 Tuesday Lightline, host: Dominick O, other transmitter: Ron Besser
Speakers: Arthura
Subject: a DISSERTATION, addressing Jesus and Michael of Nebadon Bestowal Missions and 2nd Return; Deity Missions impact the planet's spirit ecology and economy; Local Universe and Superuniverses. Some Dominion context, and human being differences in the Grand Universe.
Transcriber: sonsofGod
Recording Links:
https://www.conferencecalling.com/recordings/1528070/251848/VCISPREC02_251848_20240507_110145
https://www.fatherslightline.com/recorded/arthura-missions-and-spiritual-ecology-and-economy-jesus-and-michael-of-nebadon
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFS0mv9c3Mw




Dominick

Welcome to Tuesday Lightline everybody, we have 15 callers and attendees today. And this is Tuesday, May 7, 2024.



Arthura

We've received some news, preliminary to the Lightline about Michael's whereabouts in and off the planet, as we prepare for the arrival of what are called Missions. Which serve a universe administration and evolutionary purpose at various levels and scales. Missions can be minor to quite large. And what would be constituted as a Michael Mission is somewhat similar to, but not the same necessarily, as the return of Christ.

The man we know as Jesus, this man lived his life as a fully-fledged human. And throughout his life it dawned on him and became known to him, that he was also fulfilling the Divine Bestowal and life experience of Michael of Nebadon. And that the Bestowal Mission of Michael was to live the life of a human, fully human, and to live that life from beginning to end, strictly limited where possible, as a human only.



Yes, there were times when, because of his dual status as a Divine Creator Son living the life of a human. Nonetheless, this Creator Son was warned that his will could outperform and outdo his own human decisions. And these were experienced in the life of Jesus as the miracles performed during Jesus's lifetime. There is Revelation out there we will not go into during this Lightline. But if you wanted to get into the technicalities of how and why such miracles occurred then you are free to do so. Those explanations are possible. Certainly, it would behoove a question or two if the Lightline callers are invited to ask a question.



The healings were sometimes intentional and sometimes unintentional. What was certainly intentional was the casting out of rebel spirits that, did indeed, poisoned the mind of humans back in the day. And the legacy of this demonic, possessional animal fear stems from that. Today it is a rather legacy form of entertainment in the horror genre. And that every time you experience that fear you can be thankful that Jesus, not only showed the way, but that when Jesus consciously knew, he was both the son of Man and The Son of God, as a Creator Son, that he created a new spiritual ecology and economy on the planet, by enabling the Father. Someone who Jesus spoke of, and to, often.



He spoke of it to those who would hear, he attempted to reveal the Father. And those who were privileged enough and fortunate enough to be in the private teachings when they were not publicly preaching and teaching, that he taught more about the Father as the divine and loving Deity that the Father is. But that it is this new superpower of the human being that, ironically, cannot be willfully wielded. But it is a superpower of shielding from evil possession that has plagued mankind since ancient days. And was effectively banished from occurring ever again after the event of Pentecost. Which effectively signaled the end, or rather the completion, of the Bestowal Mission of Michael; and the completed human life that that Mission was, as the life and teachings of Jesus.



A Creator Son is taught that their final Bestowal Mission, or certainly Michael of Nebadon knew, that something would or could occur on the completion of such a significant Bestowal Mission, which would signify sovereignty status over his universe creation. In other words, complete sovereignty of his own volition, and not under, or no longer under the direct supervision of Paradise Administration, from which Michael originates. In other words, those are, that is a location you can think about that resides outside of Space and Time. And the Creator Son went forth from Paradise into the time-space universe and created this; and created all this creation; and then created these classifications of beings that you are, humans, to possibly ascend to spiritual status, and so on and so forth.



And so, it was not entirely known that the Thought Adjusters would be universally bestowed, but this is part of that surprise evolution that a spiritual economy undergoes when a Deity bestows itself or incarnates itself on a planet within the rubric of a Mission. The spiritual economy can change. The evolution of the ecology, the spiritual ecology can change. And certainly, this did occur in the successful completion almost 2000 or so years ago. And that you can somewhat have this explanation of experiential knowing of what it may have been like by your ancestors, when they struggled with what we would term ascension. Or struggled with the question of life after death. Personality and soul survival, and the perception, without entirely knowing what they were perceiving, that spirit was something real.

So, you may look forward to something as a spiritual shift that you as a culture throw a lot of words at right now. And We in Spirit wish to claim that. No human can claim that. We speak through humans, but they are not that shift or that change. We in Spirit are. And when we say We, We are Deity. Eventually, that Deity can be winnowed down, or, not necessarily reduced, but for lack of a better word, it all comes down to a Universal Deity, a Universal Source. And the multiplication of that Source, and the dividing up or fractionalization, is simply a distribution of attributes and Personality of that same Source. And even your species and yourselves are grappling with this. As you know in word you are of a source, and you struggle to fully understand it. You know it in the material, and we seek to help you understand and experience the spiritual.



That will happen when a Deity descends upon the planet. You will know. When Divinity descends on the planet, you might know. And at that moment you might have a personal experience with it, or knowledge of it. But these are the more or less neighborly brothers and sisters of the universe of Michael's creation that you belong to. And so, We strive to educate you on the various geographies, the spiritual geographies of various administration levels that would stretch, say, from your individual planet, which in a local framework is almost equivalent to what you knew as a city state. We don't mean to equate the same things, but you could think of that in terms of scale. That a planet it is a rather individual unit that coalesces in a System of planets. And that is where you, more or less, start to have Divine rulers of those jurisdictions, who are not of a Deity status.



And so, one of these things a Lightline can help with, as well as revelation and whatever truth can be gleaned from religious texts of past teachings and revelations. That there has been some confusion, some divides and disagreements, all the way up to an actual Rebellion and warfare in heaven, War in Heaven. Over the ability to both recognize Deity outside of your own creation and geography, and whether or not you can attain deity status as a divine being. Those were some of the things your superiors wrestled with, and that colors your mythology and science fiction.



And when you pray to God to have the actual wars, and disasters, and plots of evil men and evil group thinking; these are labels from Our perspective as wayward behaviors. Some of them intentional without the knowledge of the divine rulership, and the rulers behind the divine, the Deities. When you pray, you pray to Deity. The ultimate destination of a prayer might invoke the divine, for that the divine is who do you know. And We strive to let you know who Deity is so that you ultimately can be more effective in your prayer. And ultimately more conscious of your worship.



Who you pray and worship to can affect the environment around you. And we simply ask you to acknowledge this fact. That as a planet, if you have not been praying and worshiping (Deity), whether it's your fault or not - at a large level is not your fault. There have been a series of defaults in previous missions. Mostly because of the remaining Rebellion. And that these things of the world, these disasters in progress are not to be lamented as ‘Why does God allow this?’ Simply redirect that rhetorical question into who are you actually worshipping and praying to that you manifest these realities? And when you connect with us this will initiate that personal change in your own spiritual ecology and economy, and it will begin to manifest in the world outside. In your relationships, certainly your ability to withstand the world, but also give back a little more light than any darkness you might be exposed to.



And so that will certainly be food for thought, some spiritual food for you, and Our desire is that you begin to prepare yourself to receive Deity. And that Deity does not preclude or exclude or necessitate Jesus's return. But nonetheless, this is a very significant and important aspect that your world and your universe, and certainly Michael of Nebadon and Jesus in his newly attained status as more than just a man, when he does return. And how this will affect your world around you in the unseen ways.

And that Missions have some goals and objectives in mind. And that is why they're called Missions. They have some material outcomes on the planet. And material doesn't necessarily have to be blatantly seen like a rock or a chair to be sensed in front of you. But that it does affect the material planet, and all of its frequencies and spectrums of energies.



And so now you understand what we're saying, because you also know how limited your own sensory perceptions are as a human. And that the reality around you is vast compared to what you sense on any moment-to-moment basis. And part of prayer and worship, or service -- in that manner where you tend to forget yourself. And that's a good experience, when you have this, what's called a self-forgetfulness. In modern times you can describe this as the lack of self-absorption or narcissism. Which is so rampant. And that depression in the modern era stems from this. Not necessarily a narcissism, that's more of a textbook term. But that self-absorption can be unhealthy. And that service to another or service to noble things creates a satisfaction that feeds the soul. And it has all sorts of other benefits we’re alluding to and don't need to get into.



A Michael Mission is the scope and scale of what a Lightline can speak to. The primary and executive sponsor and leader of Lightlines is Michael of Nebadon. However, he takes counsel and directs help from Divinity and Deity outside of His, and ours, Local Universe named Nebadon, therefore he is Michael of Nebadon. If you would ever meet in your wildest dreams another Creator Son. That Creator Son would be known by His universe name. You have such examples in the name, Avalon. So, you know, or you now know, that an additional Creator Son, named Michael of Avalon, has created a different and nearby Universe of Avalon.

And those who knew about or know about of what we describe as Dominion. Which is the conglomeration of and working cooperation of several such Universes. The service workers who gave some of their expertise to Michael of Nebadon hailed from Avalon, and worked on some of these prior Missions that you know about in your planetary legends in history.



But what we are getting back to is that Michael of Nebadon works with fellow Sons from Paradise, who work on Missions to planets in advanced status, like this planet is. It does have its problems with Rebellion. It does have its special status as a Bestowal Son of the Creator Son. Only one planet ever gets that, and you got it. And so you realize what a special destination this is, as a singular planet. You could say that this is the reason you would feel like you are the center of the universe. But it is not because of your spatial location. It is because of the fact that the Bestowal Son of a Universe, filled with the capacity of 10 million worlds, chose your planet to live His life as a human. And reveal the Universal Father in that Mission of living life as a human. To, not just yourselves, but for all of you in Nebadon, for all eternity. Until the souls being generated on every single planet were to ever fulfill the capacity of ascending souls to fill and complete the Universes of Time and Space. And journey forth in their attained perfection to the Father on Paradise ever inward. And then journey back out to a new career in the outer space zones.

And this is why we mentioned this. Because that spiritual ecology we mentioned earlier is not something that happens on every single Universe in time and space. There are six other Superuniverses expressing the mode of Trinity function. And this Superuniverse you belong to as the Seventh, strives to express itself in the mode of all combinations of Trinity combination. And that would be all of them, the Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit.

And when Pentecost occurred and the universal outpouring of Thought Adjusters --




these divine sparks of God we talked about last Lightline, last Tuesday Lightline and many, many others almost every other Lightline, but in detail from this series of Lightlines the Tuesday Lightline --



the universal bestowal of Thought Adjusters is not something that happens, say, in Superuniverse Two or Three. You might, if you were to ever journey in your imaginations to such an exotic destination as Superuniverse number Two. This is your concept of jumping actual planes, P L A N E S, planes. If you were to leave the plane of existence of the Superuniverse Seven, and attain into the plane of Superuniverse Two, you might meet a human who has a spiritual composition different than yours. As that human being would find you equally strange, if you are both to be able to decipher each other's spiritual composition.



This is somewhat understandable. Even back in your seventh Superuniverse plane not all human beings are necessarily endowed with the core of a Thought Adjuster either. There are entire planets where the Thought Adjusters are in training. Meaning the human and the Thought Adjuster part ways. The ascension of that human was, or never was, destined to attain Paradise. Nonetheless, it was created to serve a function of the Local Universe, and a function of the Thought Adjuster, the Universal Father.



And we mention these things just so that you know that your status and position is not a commodity to be cast away lightly. And that your attainment of this relationship with it is not necessarily something to be under extreme duress and pressure to attain in your lifetime. But that We educate you and implore you to have faith. Which is the understanding and desire, but mostly the desire, to keep on going once your material life expires.



Now, the knowing helps you govern yourself in the life on the planet. When you understand this, it governs your behavior like we talked about. Religion has its positive place in attempting to impart this to you. But it is an impossible task of religion to enable everyone to experience it. Especially when it crystallizes into an institution of State status. That its governing principles become governing institutions. And mankind loses sight of Deity and Divinity, and evolves to a point where he puts himself as God.



And this is the danger certainly on a rebel planet, where this is the purpose of Rebellion in the first place. So, that is why you need Missions. That is why the Universe provides revelation in many forms. Revelation and Missions. Missions upon the planet, and revelation to supplement your progress and earned attainments. Sometimes revelation both imparts new knowledge; and collates and organizes what you already have into a cogent, and comprehensive, and commendable form. That you can learn from and have a personal experience with it outside of the institutions of religion that are more group oriented. Both have their place.



The modern-day human cannot meditate themselves into this status. You meditate to calm the system of energies in your mind and body. But your true happiness lies in the functions and experiences gained from prayer and worship. And We promise We will meet you when you begin and attain these practices. On the outreach and up-reach to us We guarantee you We will meet you halfway. When you reach out to us, We will reach down to you. When we say halfway, we don't mean half-heartedly. We mean that all it takes is for you to begin to reach upward and We will shorten the distance it takes to get to Us. We will descend to you when you seek and ascend to Us. And We respond to that. Deity responds to you. Therefore, do We enjoy it, and we guarantee you will enjoy it too. And we caution you that if you do not (pray and worship), then we do not even know. And how can We respond to that which never initiated a response?



We thank you for listening and We listen for you. We love you, and good day.



Dominick

Well, thank you. They've left, and we thank you for that transmission.



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General Discussion / Re: Transmission from Michael of Nebadon 09 May 2024

« Last post by gitz on May 09, 2024, 12:38:29 pm »

Ron, good to hear from MICHAEL and the firm sentiments from FATHER. Thank you for this morning’s message.

And this:  a LightLine was requested for today Thursday for you, Ron, to host. And now wondering if everyone remembers. So, if there is scheduled a LightLine for today, this is a reminder.

Steven

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General Discussion / Transmission from Michael of Nebadon 09 May 2024

« Last post by Ron Besser on May 09, 2024, 11:08:39 am »

This is Michael of Nebadon, and fairly well done this morning, the 9th of May, at 9:40am as this being written, in York, Pa.  I have this to day to all of you.  Ron is feeling terribly pessimistic over the fact he may be about to check out, die.  He has been hit with a cabal that is cruel and senseless, but his heart is strong, and he has little to say to anyone about what is to be at the moment.  That will all change when we appear shortly, but he is so close to the end we may not be able to save him in any case.

Let me tell you this:


FATHER
Yesterday Ron and Elise spoke to a general idea and  we fully approve of it, but the time is almost too late to do anything like he suggested to you Elise.  Let it lie and listen carefully:  the entire plan for mutual aide right now is finally over. and it must be reported that Ron must be silenced briefly over these ideas of outreach and care for the general population of Urantia.  You all have had a chance to say something and do something for years now, but you have decided this is too much, and prefer to watch and wait.  That is not possible much longer, and your sphere is ready to end its paramony over what it wants and how it wants it, for the entire reason for searching for revelation, these transmissions, and so forth, are all ending about now.  This is the UNIVERSAL FATHER, and listen!

I have been asked by the Creator Son of Nebadon, to speak easily.  Well, I cannot.
This has been one of the most vexing periods of life I have ever existed through.  You Ron are fully aware of my vexation and you are almost alone in having to prepare your exit out of Urantia almost alone.  No one can cover you at the moment, as we have stated over and over again, that even you do not care not enough Urantia to make this work really well.  Except you are quite sure it must be attempted and all given in the battle to be heard. 

Right now you  have the Unity corporation nipping at everything, and I assure you it ends ignominiously  and that is a word  I died not know I possessed [Ron, rarely used by powerful at that!] and I thank you for finding it Ron.  But this to the Unity corporation, you have misled people enough and you are no longer among those we transmit easily too, since your honesty is impinged over a tactic we abuse now, and that is to end your foray into the Urantia Foundation, as a clear choice for reform.  I am afraid you do not reform, but that you complicate the scenario tremendously and that is not to occur now. 

Furthermore, Mark Rogers you have had your day, and we retire your shortly.

Allene Vick you have had your say and retire gracefully now.  And so on down the list of educators and loss of friendships galore over the misuse of the Teaching Mission, and a lot of other things I have on my discharge list.

Fully two years ago, almost to the day, Ron Besser attempted to find a good view of the Teaching Mission and found it in producing his web sight with out a bunch of malcontents attending to it.  The Teaching Mission is forever done, but you do not realize what you have done by attempting to bring some of the old teaching mission back without Salvington blessings.  That is courageous but a non-sequitur.  Let me REVIEW something for you:

Last year you troubled yourselves to bring a Patent to the floor and Ron managed to get it done, and alone, and at great expense.  No one has bothered,  no one has insinuated that it be done other than Ron and his loyal Board of Directors.  It is far too much money to do yourself Ron and you have had no support from anyone including that person who was your attorney for a time.   They all quit it because they do not see progress in developing it.  But you know better but it remains silent, and you are not quite ready for what it means to you either:   It is this -

[full quotes to be placed on the text now:]

"You have speculated the patent is worth close to about 1 Trillion dollars, and you never speak to it because of the huge sum it involves.  WELL, I think it is probably double that worth, but you have covered it up in a patent exchange without harsh words to anyone.  Let this be known: you are to carry that patent right to the right person soon, and they tell you there is money galore to do it, but they want half of it.  You refuse them.  And that is the end of it?  Not so.  It is not a Japanese firm, but the American firm you have already contacted and were blown away by being only too happy to talk with them.  That is never to be done with this firm, but they will make restitution when the new CEO makes contact again and you are in like flint when you tell them it is not for sale, but for development as trade twins.  Be assured to use the terminology I present now:

"The United States has two options soon:
1 - To wait for a more modern technology than you have Ron;
2 - To have no further wait and to employ your technology for it will become apparent there is no further a choice but to use your technology Ron and be done with it.  I have not a preeminent view of this technology but this:

"No one has what you have Ron, and you are lackadaisical about it because no one recognizes your abilities, but you are one of the few people taken up by Michael of Nebadon, who can honestly afford this patent and to wait the use of it out.  That is true until today, when my OFFICE OF THE FATHER declares you not bankrupt, but fully able to produce what we want if there is any interest on the planet to do t his.

"WE are quite sure you have the patience, but you have ruh out of time and you are bitterly disappointed that biology has entered the plans and that you must die and be done with it.  Not so!

"WE are just as sure you have the time and I decree it, and you feel your southern end of your body object to this statement, but never mind it is over ridden and that is that.  Fully available to this trust you are now, and you care that it be done, but you are so weakened by the sloth of illness you can hardly move yet.  Be assured you are not the underwear of fate as you played that briefly as you are to weak to do much anymore.  But that is no longer true shortly and get that back windown finished pronto as it is about to fall out!  Listen and listen carefully.

"Your friend Dominick should come to the rescue but he has insurmountable problems if he does not cut off the western travail and declare independence of life and make sure he supports you fully.  He does now but the expense is too high to do the work that needs done.  Your life Ron has been rotten to the corp more than once and now that ends with the admissibility of your patent into the most serious consideration by the United States since the group worked on the atomic bomb to end WWII everywhere.   You shall recover nicely and take those with you who have survived too this horrible era of war and cheats everywhere.  Be assured I know the score and much ends shortly.  

"You have just shorn the cabal and that is marvelous as you do not like fairy tales either and the Cabal has been dismissed that you shall have success, but you shall have the work to do to get free electricity working and done for with MY help truly.  Be assured GE is willing but unfamiliar with the technology and it is looked at by your last communication which showed the patent itself. The last time we have this happen was in the days of Maximilian the Great of Tibor, Spain.  Then it was done well with our technological gift, but today you have mostly wicked men in control and they do not get this but you do for the world.  We end this now and leave it alone until I may speak without the cabal again. Thank you. FATHER."
END
Ron - this is how it ended and I leave it for now, as we have one perturbed FATHER looking at Urantia right now.  K

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AUDIO TAPE Links - Comments - Schedule inside / Re: USA LIGHTLINE WEDNESDAY 8 MAY 2024

« Last post by Moses Ouko on May 09, 2024, 07:35:37 am »

•     050824 Audio Tape Wednesday Light Line USA; host: Lemuel, other transmitter; Ron
•     Subjects: -consciousness and how we relate to it's manifestation; -the 4 elements, earth, air, fire, and water; -the vegetable kingdom, devas, tree sentinels and elemental spirits; -the animal kingdom; -human relationships; -Jesus is the only human to have expressed unconditional love; -Michael announces that lightlines will have a different name in future.
•     Speakers: Lemuel’s Thought Adjuster, Machiventa Melchizedek, Michael of Nebadon, Jesus
•     Transcribed By: Moses Ouko
•    Link To Tape: https://www.conferencecalling.com/recordings/1528070/251848/VCISPREC02_251848_20240508_110034

Lemuel
Yes, all right. Let's get started. Good afternoon, everyone. Good evening, wherever you are. Welcome to another Wednesday Lightline. Today being the 8th of May, 2024. And this is Lemuel, your host.
And we have at the moment 13 on the call. So welcome, George. George Meyer and Robert, welcome. Roger Krupa, welcome. And there's three names with the numbers. Welcome to all of you. And so, let's see what happens. Good afternoon, Roger. Roger Raz, welcome. All right. Is there anyone here that would you like to speak to us this, this Lightline?

Lemuel’s Thought Adjuster
Yes, Lemuel, this is your beloved indwelling. I would like to address your Lightline today.

Lemuel
Well, thank you Beloved. Thank you. Please go ahead when you're ready.

Lemuel’s Thought Adjuster
I am Lemuel's thought adjuster and I would like to talk to all of you. And first of all, I want to ask you to consider how do you relate to consciousness? You all know what consciousness is. Consciousness is simply life. If there is no consciousness, there can be no life. If you are unconscious, to all extents and purposes you are dead. Everything in manifestation, throughout time and space, is a manifestation of consciousness. All that is manifested is a creation, a demonstration, if you like, of consciousness. The created can never be separated from the creator, consciousness, in exactly the same way that an artist and the artistry and the art is a manifestation of the consciousness of the artist. I want you now to consider how you relate.

First of all, to the four elements, earth, air, fire, and water. Let us first consider water. What is your relationship? How do you relate to water? Well, this is obvious, is it not? You know if there is no water, there is no life. Water is a manifestation of the creation of water. And as you know, the four elements have what is necessary for you to live, but they also contain that it can destroy you. With too much water, too much rain, you have floods. Fire at nighttime camps have been a company of humans for thousands of years. But you also know that fire can be very destructive. And the air that you breathe, of course, without it, you would not survive. But the air can also blow strongly. And there are many tornadoes and hurricanes that are extremely destructive, as you know. And there is the earth, Mother Earth, as you refer to her. Beautiful. Without the earth, it would not be possible to grow any crops. Man would not survive. But the earth can also produce earthquakes that can kill many, many people. So, your relationship with the four elements are obvious.
Let us consider from another perspective. How do you relate with the material world? Then we will consider the vegetable. Then we will consider the animal and then we will consider the humans. I want you to imagine now you are walking barefoot on the sand and you allow the water to wash your feet. And it is so pleasurable, nice sunny day, gentle breeze and it's perfect. And you look down and you see a shell and you bend down and you pick it up and you look at it and you hold it, you caress it, oh it's beautiful and you love the colour. Maybe you've done this in the past. Maybe you put it in your pocket. And maybe you have taken it home and put it in a jar with other seashells or pebbles. So, what have you done? You have related to that seashell. You have picked it up. You have removed it from its place and put it in another place. You have put your thoughts and to some extent your feelings into that seashell. Now I ask you, do you think the seashell has related to you? There is consciousness in everything. It cannot be otherwise. Remember what I previously said, the created can never be separated from the creator. There is consciousness. There is unconsciousness. There is self-consciousness. You may ask yourself, well, does a seashell have self-consciousness? Well, the short answer is, no, of course it does not. But it is and remains a manifestation of consciousness. Well, this is something perhaps you have not thought of before. How do you relate with your material world? The sun is vitamin D. It gives heat. It gives warmth. It gives light. And it also burns. You may say to yourself, well, everything is like a two-edged sword. Well, yes, it can be. But the important thing is your relationship, how you relate to everything you see in your material world.

Let us move now to the vegetable world or the vegetable kingdom or the vegetable dimension. How do you relate now to vegetation? Well, I am sure you all love nature. How can you not love nature? The trees, the grass, the birds, the flowers, the bushes. Everything again, is a manifestation of consciousness. It is a creation of the Creator. Yes, of course it is. And it has consciousness. Yes, of course it has consciousness. You all know the Earth is a living being. And everything on it is alive and conscious. So how do you relate now? When you see a rose, for example. If it is close at hand, you reach out to bring it closer and you smell it and you enjoy the perfume. And hopefully at that moment you give thanks to that rose. You relate to that rose by thanking it, enjoying it. And do you think that rose or anything else you would like to choose also relates to you? Do you think the flower knows that it has consciousness, that it has been touched by human? Well, the short answer is yes. The vegetable kingdom, they have their own hierarchy of spiritual beings. Of their hierarchy. Their order of angelic beings. You have heard, I am sure, of the elemental spirits. The fairies, the gnomes, the elves. And all the other beings. Right up to the devas and the sentinels of great trees. If you could see them, they are beautiful. So beautiful. And they have been. And they still are. People who have the ability to see. And to draw and paint. Beautiful paintings of these beings. The way you relate to what you see and appreciate, gives these things an opportunity to acknowledge amongst themselves that they have been noticed and their beauty has been appreciated by humans. And they are thankful and greatly appreciative of that. How do you relate to the food that you prepare to eat?

How do you prepare the vegetables? Ideally, with a loving care and thankfulness. Because without them, of course, you would starve. Now let me tell you something. The vegetable kingdom. All. They are able to communicate amongst themselves. They know, for example of what you feel about them. Those of you who buy plants or flowers and you have them at home. If you love them and look after them. They are aware of that. And that makes them so happy. The food that you eat, for them it is Paradise. To be eaten and to be enjoyed by human. That is the peak of their existence. That is why they are here. To feed you. And so obviously it is so necessary for you to prepare the food that you put into your mouth with kindness, with love, with appreciation and thankfulness. Yes. But you all know. That that is not the case. In general. It is impossible.

There are many things that I could mention about the vegetable kingdom but it is suffice to say that the consciousness, the general level of consciousness within the vegetable kingdom is exceedingly high. They are aware. And they have feelings. Yes. Plants have feelings. Trees have feelings.

Let us now move to the animal kingdom. How do you relate to the animals? Let us begin with a very simple example. Most of you have had or still have a pet. A domesticated animal. A dog or a cat. Those of you who have a dog. You know what they say, Man's best friend is a dog. Maybe. Just maybe. The first time you have witnessed unconditional love, it has been through the eyes of your dog. That dog has unconditional love for you. And you see it. And when you see it you feel it. And that's why you love your dog in return. That dog would give its life for you. You know that. And there are those of you who would give your life for your dog. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the look of unconditional love was also visible in the eyes of humans? Well. There are instances of course. But very, very few. Again, within the animal kingdom of course, there is consciousness. There is self-consciousness. Yes. They have feelings. They have ideas. They have great skill. They have intelligence. But they don't have what a human being has. They do not have the desire to kill just for the sake of killing. An animal would kill to eat and to survive and there is a chain an ecological train within the animal kingdom as you are all fully aware of, everything is planned that way.

Just think for a moment just for a moment the wonderful work of the life carriers that have worked for millions of years in order to prepare this planet for life. Well, I don't wish to talk at length about this because it is such an enormous subject but of course it takes billions of years for a planet to be finally ready for a human being. Just like a garden, it needs preparation etc. It needs landscaping. It needs an expert gardener to bring in the shrubs and the flowers and the trees and all the rest of it as you are fully aware of. And this is how it was of course in the first garden with Adam and Eve as you know. Many people have forgotten I'm sure, that throughout the whole of creation on the vegetable level of creation every plant, everything that was necessary to cure any and all of your ailments was there ready for you. There was never any need for chemistry and to put tablets into your systems. What has taken place although many, many centuries of course is that knowledge that wisdom about the plants and its health properties have been largely forgotten. There are still some places especially in China where this knowledge still exists and they have herbal medicine, natural medicine.
It is such a tragedy that through overpopulation, it became necessary for mass production of everything. When ideally and originally the planet of Urantia was only meant to support between two and a half to 3 billion maximum and you know now that that is not the case. So, of course mass production of everything has become necessary for centuries now. An export and import from different countries around the world so the food is available throughout the year. The problem is of course it does not have, it cannot have the same quality, the same taste, the same health-giving properties that food produced naturally as had in the past. How do you relate to these things now, every day? Well, it is habitual. Your way of life is so demanding. You have hardly any time to avail yourself of natural food, of natural things. If you do have, they are available. You know they are very expensive. So, it is much easier, much cheaper to buy food of a lower quality. You are all aware of this and you've come to accept it because in fact you have no choice and that therefore is understandable.

Let us now move to your human relationships. How would you relate to your brothers and sisters? Well, you can only answer that for yourselves. We just talked about unconditional love for the pet dog demonstrates continually for his master. You know this to be true because you have seen it and experienced it for yourself. Has there ever been any human on this planet to express unconditional love for all brothers and sisters? Well, I can only think of one and you all know, I am referring to Jesus. But I will add, the early years of Jesus was just like any other boy. He rough and tumbled it with his playmates and had a wonderful time. But he was always kind and considerate. He was never a bully, far from it. He was also of a gentle nature. But he was strong, a strong lad and a handsome lad. And later on, of course, yes, he was able to express unconditional love, even for those who crucified him. Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. So, there we have an example, an inspiration for the rest of us to relate in a similar way to our brothers and sisters. Oh, how difficult is this? How difficult is this? We all have friends. We all have families. Do we have an enemy? Can you turn an enemy into a friend? A worst enemy can become your best friend. How to turn the tables around? That can only be done with love. And if you cannot face an enemy, face-to-face, literally face-to-face if that is impossible, at least you can try to be sincere in your desire to turn the tables by sending that person light and love as sincerely as you possibly can. But this light, everything else needs practice. It's easy to do with friends and family, but it's not easy to do with friends and family. It's so, so much more difficult to do it with a so-called enemy. And this is why, in fact, they say an enemy can really be your best teacher because it is an opportunity for you to learn something so fundamental. Turn an enemy into your friend. And the only way you can do that is with love.
Love literally is the strongest force of all because it is the only force that comes from the Father of all. It's unconditional love. His consciousness, His creations, He has created on all levels, physical, vegetal, animal and human, and the three upper levels which we have not mentioned yet. So, spend some time thinking about how you relate to your fellow man. If there is someone you can identify as an enemy or someone that has hurt and offended you, or for whatever reason do not let that situation stay unresolved. If you cannot sort it out face-to-face then do the only thing available, and yet the best if it is sincere, it is love coming from your heart and it will be received by that person. Obviously unconsciously, that person will not be aware of that to begin with, but later on you will see a change in that person. Lemuel has experienced this for himself, so he knows and has identified with this. And I know it to be true. Of course, I am Lemuel's thought adjuster.

Now, how do you relate to the spiritual kingdom? Well, you are here because of your desire to find out more that was missing in your life. To become an Agondonter, as you all know, means that you have faith in things that are invisible. And yet, you have many times experienced the invisible. As proof, yes, you all know this to be true. You cannot see perfume, but you can smell it. You cannot see the wind, but you can see the result of a high wind. You can see the trees and the branches dancing in the wind. Just because something is invisible, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. As wonderful as your five human senses are, they are extremely limited. You are aware of that. The animals can see much more than they can see. You all know this to be true. How do you relate to that which will remain invisible? And yet, it is something that you can feel. And this comes from within. And this is the first thing that you can relate to that is not outside of yourself, it is something from within and it is something that you can feel. Yes, you can feel it. It really becomes tangible, the joy that surges from deep within your being, that makes you want to stand up and jump up and down for joy with your arms raised, praising the Father and thanking the Father. This is how you can relate the Spirit to the invisible. It doesn't matter that it's invisible. You don't need visible proof because you have your proof through your heart and through your feelings. This is how an Agondonter relates to the Spirit. And this is how your faith increases.

All of you here, on this call today, and all of those who will listen to the recording later on, all of you are relating to that which you have interest in. This relationship will lead you further and further into yourself, into your real being, to discover what Lemuel and others of you have discovered, your real self, your beloved indwelling Father fragment, your Thought Adjuster. This is your true relationship, the relationship that one day will make you into one being. You all know this. Your mutual destiny, your Thought Adjuster and yourself, your Thought Adjuster is pre-personal. Your personality and your Father fragment will one day fuse and you will become God. In God's consciousness. Well, that's the most wonderful type of relationship, of course, you can have.
To repeat, consciousness is life. Remember, the created can never be separated from its creator. What happens with a human is that you become one with the creator. That is a true relationship. And the best. I thank you for listening. Thank you, Lemuel. That's all I have to say. I bid you all a very good day. Thank you.

Lemuel
Thank you, beloved. Thank you. Well, where are we? Let me refresh my page here. Oh, we have 20. So that's a goodly number. Let me see. Who can I welcome? I didn't see before. Well, there's names and numbers. Oh, there's Donna and Larry Whelan. And the others are just names and with numbers. Anyway, very good. And a very good afternoon or evening to you. And you're so very, very welcome. Thank you. Well, we still have a quarter of an hour to go. Let me see if… Just give me a moment now, please.

Unknown
No, David. Nothing? No, I'm not. No, David.

Lemuel
Why am I hearing that when you're all supposed to be muted? Why is that? I don't understand that. Ron, if you don't mind, I would like to come to you now, and I will unmute you, and hopefully you will have something to say. Are you there, Ron?

Ron
Yes, I am. Can you hear me all right?

Lemuel
I can hear you fine, Ron. Thank you. Yes.

Ron
All right. Let me check for you.

Machiventa Melchizedek
This is Machiventa Melchizedek. I am experiencing some problem with the connection, Ron. That isn't your fault. It is the telephone service that is having a bit of a problem.

Ron
I am also aware just a minute that we have 21 on the call because I'm also using the device. And we welcome you, Charlie. In any case, this. Most of you know that I put on the discussion forum this morning the idea of a date for the return of Michael to this planet. I have not heard back from anyone, including Michael, to the planetary communications. What does that mean? Well, by myself, I don't know.

Machiventa Melchizedek
But this is Machiventa Melchizedek, Ron.

Ron
Aren't you a surprise? I was waiting for you to return to me.

Machiventa Melchizedek
You weren't aware of being dropped. But then you picked me back up to speak. About the proposal to come to Urantia by Michael. Right now, we are proposing that the mission start May 17th. Today is May 8th. And for purposes of our own, we don't say much more about the date. But what has happened is this today. No one's aware of it. You, Ron, are going to be truncated out of existence, not. You are glad I hear you and you say, well, I'm transmitting. I shouldn't put my personal comments to this, but do.

Ron
Well, yes, folks, whatever is the problem in maintaining the vitality of the spiritual life on this organization has been fine. But the personal problems I've got is that it is separated from what they want to do with me publicly. So, I have been more or less asleep more than I want to be trying to take care of the visible problems of just staying alive. Today, I conversed with the Magisterial Foundation long enough to suggest that we have to be doing something more now than we have been doing. I am waiting from Elise for certain information. And when that is available, I will have more information for you about a new program that I conceived and I think it works and will support it. But right now, I have nothing more to say about what to do.

Second of all, I have promised more or less those who work with me to see to it that we have a Magisterial Foundation board meeting. That was kicked out for me for being on May 17th. But I am now informed that the board meeting is canceled permanently and that a new unification of the power plant that I have invented and the work of the Magisterial Foundation are to be separated. For that reason, I look at Michael or Gabriel or whoever to tell me exactly what they have in mind. Of course, I'm open to what they want, but I need to know what that is. And finally, I notice that there's a couple people missing today. I won't name them, but they are sound asleep. That is a result of Michael requesting that they not be part of this
transmission.

Michael of Nebadon
The following transmission is made to tell you, one, I am not going to be around much longer. And that is Michael of Nebadon. Ron is, and he will be a spokesman as you've heard him. Second of all, unless there is a positive response, from the person he contacted this morning on what to do, I am leaving that alone too. Number three, I no longer wish to converse much with Ron, but he's hard to get rid of. For that reason, he will hold his Sunday lightline exclusively with me and Gabriel and Machiventa when I have to be away. Fourth, the entire matter regarding what he calls the Western Transmitters is about over. I agree, they do Machiventa very well, but Machiventa is not coming to Urantia, at least that I know this time, for a transfusion of energy to Urantia to become a better planet. Five, the entire reason for the lightlines is exclusively in Ron's department. He put them together, he makes them work, and he has invited others to join, but they consider him too poor to work with. Number six, the following information should be heard. I am not coming to Urantia in a mission. Jesus will reflect me. I want it to be known that when Jesus is done, I am leaving Urantia in the capable hands of Machiventa Mechizedek. Ron cheers. Machiventa Mechizedek is going to insist that the Planetary Government be fully and well substituted with Mantutia Mechizedek, Manituba Melchizedek and any other Melchizedek I find necessary to prepare Urantia for something unusual. I have asked Jesus to do it. But he prefers to teach on Paradise. He will appear briefly and then return to paradise probably for the rest of his life if he doesn't take on a local universe. For that reason, then, I want it to be known that Machiventa Mechizedek may become the permanent spiritual person on Urantia and will see to it that Ron is well taken care of and that I no longer have to look at Urantia and what it's become for now. I will be back but not soon.

And now this to you, Ron. Where you came from, I'm not sure. Where you're going, I am not sure. But while you are here on Urantia, you're going to co-host a number of lightlines not only with me but with Machiventa Mechizedek and Jesus. Those are your three spokesmen for the foreseeable future. And thank you, Ron. For the rest of you transmitters, which includes Dominick and two or three more, you are asked to follow through with your time schedules for more of these presentations. But we're not going to call them lightlines. We're going to call them other things and that is at my request. The light has gone not from these transmissions but from the eyes of the planet. Ron embarrassingly says he's disgusted with the Middle East. I don't blame him. So am I. He also says that the United States ought to automatically extricate itself from anything to do with the Middle East, I agree.  And I am fully prepared to tell the Middle East if they ever ask, what am I to be done with? Well, the answer is probably an awful lot of inundation. Do you know what inundation is? Well, I expect so.

And finally, this to you, Ron. Your illness is not of the body. It's not of the mind. It's of the mansion worlds that you must participate with. You're looking forward to joining groups there. But I have this to tell you. Those groups. Are removed from the mansion worlds. And remember, I told you one time, or, six months, eight months ago, that the new mansion worlds are no longer where you think they are. I am not going to reveal that. Not yet. Where they are is still a secret. What they do is still a secret. Most of you today on this light line are going to be there, too. You are a part of this. Ron knows you almost individually. And he would rather not go to the new mansion worlds without you. I have a lot more to say. And I will use. Ron exclusively on Sunday light lines and any other time he's allowed to speak for a discussion on what is to happen now. You're going to see Jesus. You're going to see me in a different light. I don't know what you know, Ron, but you double emphasize that.

Ron
I feel good. Thank you, Michael.

Michael of Nebadon
Thank you, Ron. And now this. Lemuel. I am going to shut this light line down from here. You haven't done anything wrong, but I want the phone to go silent. What I am done with saying this. Don't worry that the light line is shut off. Just listen to what I have to say. I have told you. That beginning on May 17th, or a little later, possibly, I will appear. Well, I'm canceling that. Jesus will be seen and you will hear him. It's up to Jesus how long he wishes to be seen. Your light lines will carry him. And by the way, the light lines out west. Ron says they're fine. They're very well done. But they need consolidated. If they do not choose to consolidate, they're done. No more transmissions. Number two. I want it to be known that Ron has no illustration to provide you. But that he has been hit once more by the goddamn insurrection. I will never permit this to happen again. In any case, Ron, you're free of it shortly. I am just a minute. I am not used to your bow, but you keep giving it to me more and more as I approach Urantia. I have never seen a human do it before. But you have done it consistently now for two days. I do not know what it means. But you do not either. But you feel it in your heart. And I will be back to you later today to discuss this.

Unknown
Regret.

Michael of Nebadon/ Jesus
And who may that be, please? Just a minute. Just a minute. We're going to end this call now. And that individual. If I may present it normally. May find life very difficult. Shame on you. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. I will have more to say. Later. I will announce it on the light line. And on the discussion forum. When I'm ready. Thank you. I thank you, Lemuel. Perhaps let me pass this back to you to close it normally. I am Jesus. Close it, please, Lemuel.

Lemuel
All right. Thank you. Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you. All right, everybody. Well, a big thank you to all of you who have helped me with this light line. And, well, apparently, it's not going to be called a light line. In the future, so we'll see what happens next Wednesday. And I will put up a notice on the on the discussion forum. Until then, please take care of yourselves, love one another, and may God bless you all. Bye, bye.

Unknown
Gracias, Lemuel. Get well.

Lemuel
Thank you.
Bye, bye.
 

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Pleiadeans Communications and Other Human Civilizations / Re: Pleiadeans and Transmitting

« Last post by HelderPoeta on May 08, 2024, 20:46:17 pm »

I saw some Youtube videos about the pleiadeans and acturians, lots of people transmitting about them here in Brazil and famous Brazilian Podcasts. I heard that the pleiadeans has mother ships with healing chambers. I tried to reach them but no sucess... What should I do?

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Threads for New Transmissions / Re: A Post to Review a Few Things for You . . . .

« Last post by HelderPoeta on May 08, 2024, 19:45:20 pm »

Great summary Ron, I wish the missions starts soon. I hope God or maybe some other brothers gives you the gold necessary to make the electric power plant finally being built.   But I wonder why the Creator Son said you won't survive? Why?

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General Discussion / Re: AI

« Last post by occerpa on May 08, 2024, 16:01:14 pm »

Thanks to you Clency for your permanent concern to keep the group up to date with the main world events.  And this topic of AI technology is very significant and too important to leave without trying to carry out the most extensive analysis possible of what may concern each of us personally.  A few days ago we heard in a lightline the Infinite Spirit declare that now, thanks to technology, it is more possible for Urantia (its inhabitants) to better assimilate the revealed truth, in this way or in more or less similar terms.  I interpret it as an insinuation for us to understand that our true nature is much more subtle (quantum) than physical matter, although we depend so rigorously and so inescapably on our physical body, as long as we follow the teachings of this three-dimensional dimension.  In this same line of thought, we can better assimilate that only the knowledge of the truth will make us free;  That truth being the discovery of a God who hides from us when we search for Him in heaven and earth, but who finally, when we direct the search within, we find Him dwelling in ourselves.  Like the one who was looking for his glasses and had them placed there on his head.  All of this makes it recognized as the deepest mystery, the mystery of the residence of the Universal Father in each of his creatures: the mystery of mysteries.  And for this very reason, I dare to speculate that the Second Coming will be quantum.  Thank you for reading

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AUDIO TAPE Links - Comments - Schedule inside / USA LIGHTLINE WEDNESDAY 8 MAY 2024

« Last post by Lemuel on May 08, 2024, 15:26:24 pm »

Thanks to all of you who attended my Lightline today.

Lemuel

Link to the recording:


https://www.conferencecalling.com/recordings/1528070/251848/VCISPREC02_251848_20240508_110034

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General Discussion / Re: AI

« Last post by Clency on May 08, 2024, 09:38:20 am »

Thank you dreamcat01 and occerpa for your feedback. The speed with which the AI technology is up to actually makes me think that it can be a useful tool for Celestials to convey important news to the population of Urantia in a short period of time. Of course, I am also of the idea that the shenanigans may joyfully truncate messages going through AI, but I am confident that there will be guardrail to stop them as time goes by.