Dominick
All right, welcome everyone. This is Dominick, your meeting host with Lemuel. We're continuing our interview with Lemuel for the records. It's July 25th, 2024. And welcome, Lemuel.
Lemuel
Thank you.
Dominick
You had some more topics that you wanted to expand upon. So, I just wanted to let you go running in the field with.
Lemuel
In fact, I wanted to say certain things, but I know in fact it is my beloved thought adjuster that wants to speak because what he wants to talk about, which is very important, is the process of cleansing. And so sometimes I think it will be myself speaking, and other times it will be my Thought Adjuster. And I hope people will be able to spot out the difference. Anyway, so let us begin.
Lemuel’s Thought Adjuster
Yes, well in fact this is Lemuel’s Thought Adjuster, and I would like to speak to all of you about what I term and others term as well as a cleansing or a purification. When someone takes that irrevocable decision to worship the one Almighty God and to surrender to His will that is the moment when I and all other Thought Adjusters have our own way of celebrating, because in fact it means that we have been successful from the moment of our indwelling the ward which in the Lemuel’s case, he was five years old during the war, the Second World War.
We celebrate it because it means that we are now able, that is to say, from the moment that decision is made, we as Thought Adjusters are able to begin this cleansing process which has the effect of turning everything, not upside down or inside out, but outside in. An initiation which as you all know literally means a beginning.
It's the beginning of a cleansing process that must take place. And it does not matter how or where and what type of initiation you took.
Whether it was within one or other of the institutionalized religions or not. Not important. What is important is that you have made that decision. And then we as Thought Adjusters can really begin our work in earnest.
So let me start by saying the first phase of the cleansing process takes place on a physical or material level and the person will begin to experience physical symptoms, pain, sickness. Other symptoms that cause him to become preoccupied about his health. And of course, when I say his health, I'm also referring to her health. It can also mean that this person will experience terrible headaches so severe that they throw up and all they want to do is to die because they cannot stand the pain. They will go through a period of terrible dreams; nightmares and they will have thoughts they don't know where they came from.
And this is where I will mention, and I will talk about it later at that, but I will now mention the fact, and it is a fact that when you make that decision, that irrevocable decision, it means I can now really reach down and pull you up, so to speak, and in so doing those that have gone before you are also pulled up.
So, your cleansing also involves the cleansing of those that have gone before you, your parents, your grandparents, your ancestors. And if I may digress for just a moment, before any of the Thought Adjusters choose their ward, they would have already investigated and researched their background, their parents, their grandparents, and the potential or not of achieving a degree of spiritual awareness. That takes place for everyone, of course. And also, I may add that normally at least three Thought Adjusters volunteer to indwell a particular ward. I volunteered and I was finally chosen not because I was better than the others, but simply because I was more experienced.
All right, I return now to the cleansing. And it is in fact a wonderful thing to know that one is able to cleanse and accelerate the cleansing process of one's ancestors whilst they are on the mansion worlds. They on the mansion worlds will know nothing about it until the cleansing process for the individual in this case, Lemuel, is complete. I can tell you that in fact the parents and the grandparents and the others older than the grandparents are aware of Lemuel’s work here and what he has done. Well, this applies to everyone. It is such a necessary process and a very, very difficult one. Because as I say, you have terrible dreams, terrible headaches, you suffer, you go to the doctor, and strangely, they can never find anything wrong with you.
And so, you begin to come to terms with the fact that in fact you are changing, you are being changed. And people notice the difference and in fact they don't like it. Let me give you an example. Before this process of cleansing begins you are, as it were, like a beautiful lake. Calm and serene. And along comes someone with an enormous bucket and they plunge the bucket into the lake and they pull up a bucket full of sediment that has been on that lake for so many years. And of course they disturb the water. So, the lake now looks terribly dirty. But in fact, it is one bucket of dirt cleaner. Doesn't look like that does it? And so family members and friends begin to notice a difference in a person that is now experiencing this process of cleansing.
Well, let us move on to the next phase of cleansing which is emotional or vegetal because you share this world with material, vegetable, and animal influences that in fact influence you so much that many times you cannot control their influence. So, I will talk about addictions now because it is a vegetable and it deals with feelings and emotions. So, you have come through to a great extent and almost terminated with your physical or material cleansing and now you begin another one. And this is very different, of course. How is it different? Well, you begin to feel different on all sorts of things. Your likes and dislikes change. And this can mean a change of clothing. A change of style of clothing or shoes or haircut or whatever it is.
All parents know that their teenage children go through phases of not necessarily a rebellion, but a period of searching, finding out their identity, and they want to prove all sorts of things or try certain things. And this, of course, can lead to alcohol addiction, drug addiction, smoking and all the rest of it, you know. And it's a worrying time for the parents. For the person themselves, and in Lemuel’s case, I know that he doesn't want me to be personal because it makes him feel uncomfortable, but I will just mention a few things. In Lemuel’s case; Lemuel started to smoke cigarettes when he was 11 years of age. If you remember from last week's conversation, Lemuel was born and raised in a small mining town called Tredegar in South Wales in the United Kingdom. And his family were all miners. That is to say, they worked in the coal mines. Well, he used to do a little bit of Saturday morning shopping for his grandmother. And his grandmother smoked. And when he finished the shopping, and his grandmother would always sit him down, make him a cup of tea, give him a piece of cake, and give him a cigarette.
Well, in those days, of course, everybody smoked. I'm talking about everybody being those miners, those in the working classes of Wales. All the pleasure that they had was tobacco and beer. Everybody smoked.
Lemuel
And so, I started smoking thanks to my grandmother at the age of 11. All right, enough of that.
Lemuel’s Thought Adjuster
So, this phase of change and cleansing can be a very difficult period, a very trying period, not for the person involved themselves, but particularly for those around this person, family members, friends. You know, when you begin to change you unsettle other people that are not prepared for this and they ask, you know, what's the matter with him or her? And they feel uncomfortable. Of course, eventually you just learn to let them go because in fact they do go. They will leave you. And so our friendships and acquaintances, they begin to fade away, and you let them go. So, this again is a very difficult period.
Let us move on to now the animal cleansing. Well, as you may well imagine human animal. In many the animal is more than the human. Well, let me put it another way. You have a situation where the tail is wagging the dog and not the dog wagging the tail. Which means of course are you in control or not; of your anger, of your jealousy, of your impatience, of your intolerance, or whatever it is. This is animal as well as human, but I will be more specific about human in a short while. You all know what is ego. And ego has been referred to as the false personality and it is a false personality. You are not your ego. But you need ego but ego needs to be under your control. How can you control something if you don't recognize it?
Now when you begin to recognize your ego, you have a tremendous fight on your hands which your ego does not want to be controlled. So now I would paint you a picture. Perhaps many of you have seen a very famous and well-known series on British television called Downton Abbey and it deals with this wonderful mansion. With goodness knows how many rooms. And there's the master and the butler and all the servants, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Wonderful. Well, this is what every person should be. Their house, their mansion should be in perfectly working order, and it is not. Why is that?
Because in fact the owner, the boss if you like, of this mansion has not had the ability to control the servants. The situation is like the butler wants to be the boss. The gardener wants to be the boss or the cook wants to be the boss. That is to say all the different servers within this mansion, they fight between each other to do something else that they are not trained to do. And of course, this describes ego to the team. Ego thinks it can do anything. It can solve anything. It knows everything. It knows what is true, it knows what is false. But it does not. Ego should be a devoted and loving servant for you and you as ego's master should appreciate everything that the ego does for you. Well, there comes a time through all this cleansing process that your ego realizes for itself that it can only do its job to perfection by in fact being nothing else than a true servant for the master. And this applies to all the other servants. They can only experience complete and utter satisfaction when they do that particular job that they are trained to do.
The gardener in the garden, the cook in the kitchen, the maids in the bedchamber, etc. etc. You get the picture. To serve, to know that you have been of service, and that your service is appreciated is the reward in and of itself. And that is your total satisfaction of a job well done, been able to serve.
So, coming back to the animal and the first personality. The cleansing process will make you become aware of certain things that you were not aware of previously. Where does your desires come from? Many times, you want to have what your eyes see. And many times, you are jealous of those things which you see that you cannot have, nor should you. Coming back to the habit of smoking, for example, someone who is addicted to tobacco. They do not smoke. They are being smoked by the tobacco. Those who are alcoholics the drink, and drinks them. Are you sitting in your favorite chair? Or is your favorite chair sitting on you?
This difference in looking at things and seeing the difference is all part of the cleansing process. And obviously as you learn these differences, you become different yourself. And this again is why your friends and relatives closest to you, they become very disturbed because you are not the same person previously. I could talk more about this part of the cleansing, but I think I have explained enough for you to understand and for you to get the picture.
Now we come to the human. The human cleansing. Now just think for a moment. What is the difference between a human and an animal? Animals do not have a sense of humor. Animals do not smile or laugh. Animals can’t use their imagination and think of future events. And animals can never be wise, and animals can never worship, as you all know. When we Thought Adjusters are aware that our wards have now reached the stage of cleansing on a human level, we can now also change our tactics in a way. I will explain a little later by what I mean by that.
I want you to think about certain phases in your life. Take a pencil and a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle of the paper and on one side you put down what you can remember of certain things that happened in your life, certain periods and then on the other side you can remark about the fact that it was positive or negative.
There are cycles of 21 years, beginning with birth to seven age, to 14 age, to 21 age. And the cycles always proceed in the same form, that is to say spiritual, mental and physical. So, by the time you are 21 years of age, you have experienced seven years of spiritual input, mental input and physical input. And they are not divided definitely into those seven year periods, but they overlap each other. But by and large, by the time you are a young adult of 21 years, you have experienced spiritual input, mental input, and obviously physical change as well. And it continues for the next 21 years.
21 to 42 again, spiritual, mental and physical. This is a very difficult period because from the age of 21 to 28 is a spiritual cycle. Mostly it is unconscious, but nevertheless it is a period where we Thought Adjusters tried to put more pressure on you during those seven years. And then 28 to 35 is mental, and this again is where we try to change your thoughts. You begin to think differently. It is your second period of seven years of thought process of mental change. You begin to think more seriously about the life. You change your job. You may change your house, what that will become later on the physical side. But during that mental phase, your thoughts are changing. And then from 35 to 42, which for many, many people is the most difficult, it is the physical change, a separation, a divorce. You lose your job or you get a new job, a change of, dwelling in a change of country or whatever it takes place.
And it starts again from 42 to 63 and so on it goes. The Lemuel in fact is now terminating from 63 to 84 experiencing what may be his last cycle of seven years of physical life. 63 to 70 is spiritual. 70 to 77 is mental. 77 to 84, physical. When we as Thought Adjusters can see that our wards have come to terms with the human changes that have had to take place we prepared them for the next step.
Now let me explain something else. This is important for you to know. There are mainly only seven phases of your life. Seven main chapters in your book of life, chapters of experience. So, let's begin, number one. You don't know. Number two, you admit you do not know. Number three, you want to know. Number four, you don't know what it is you want to know. Number five, you know what you want to know. Number six. You know.
Now then, those who have completed the cleansing process, that has been taking place for many years in some cases, have reached the stage where they know number six, and in fact they are embracing number seven. And what is number seven? I AM.
So, we as Thought Adjusters have achieved what we set out to achieve when we indwell our ward with the potential that we have seen so that we may bring this child from being a son or daughter of man to becoming a son or daughter of God. That they themselves know and recognize because they can say I AM. So, when you are and you are able to say, I am, of course, there is a tremendous change that has taken place in your life because now you be more than you do.
This cleansing process turns you from outside life to your inner life, to the extent that your inner life, slowly but hopefully surely completely takes over. You are still in the world, of course you are, and there are still certain things you have to do, but in fact, they mean nothing to you. You are not attached to anything or anyone. Now this is important. This does not mean that you are indifferent, not at all.
There's something else I should mention, very important. In order for you to progress through this cleansing process, there comes a moment, a very important moment between number five and number six, if you remember. Number five is you want to know and number six is you know. That is, you have learned to say no. So many people get bogged down with false sense of responsibility to their parents, to their wives or husbands or their children or whatever it is. In the early stages of your cleansing, of course, you have no conception of this. But later on, when you look back over your shoulder, you can see and you can understand the reasons why.
There is a reason for everything. For every change there is a reason. And it is almost always, almost always perfect. But of course, at any given moment in time when something happens, you cannot see the perfection in that. It is only much later on, maybe years later on, you look back over your shoulder and you can say, thank God for that. I am sure many of you have already had experiences like that. So that is something that you can identify with.
Nobody should be a slave to what other people think we should do or think we should say or behave as they want you to behave, etc. You've all experienced this. But it takes courage to say no, especially to parents of children who they have work, etc., and they want a mortgage. All that sort of thing takes place. And the parents become grandparents, they become babysitters. If they enjoy doing that, that's fine. But so many do not, but they haven't got the courage to say no.
I am still Lemuel’s Thought Adjuster talking and to finish; I will now talk about, not Lemuel, he doesn't like me to be personal, but what will apply to all of you when you reach the stage of I AM, then in fact you know that you are in fact God on earth. And if you have difficulty saying that or accepting that, then you are not yet at the stage of I am.
Now think about that very carefully. If you are at the stage of I AM, then you are being what you are. And what is that? That is God. You are representing God on earth as did Jesus. Now, Lemuel is not Jesus and none of you will ever be a Jesus. But you all have the potential to be I AM on Earth. And if you do this, if you can accomplish this now you will experience very little, there's very little for you to experience on the Mansion worlds, only a fusion that takes place with the Thought Adjuster.
And let me also now repeat, your cleansing here helps enormously those that have gone on before you. It accelerates their progress, their ascension journey. Well, isn't that the most wonderful thing, to be able to do that? Yes, and now Lemuel is thinking, well, thank God I never knew that before, otherwise maybe I would never have made that decision. But yes, but in fact that is the case. You are able to. And why is that? Because in fact you receive from them. As you know, it's all in your What do you call it? In your DNA.
You also say, what is it now? Yes, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Yes, something like that. Or what's in the trees come out in the branches, that sort of thing. Yes, you are a product of those that have gone before you. And that is to say, not only the good, but also the bad. And you have the opportunity of getting rid of their bad through this cleansing process. But this can only take place when you take that irrevocable decision, that you want nothing else in your life other than to worship the One Almighty God. And that means of course the cleansing process and when you come finally to be an I AM position or a state of I AM in effect you are able to represent God here on earth.
Those of you who are members of this discussion forum, most of you are here from the influence that you have had from reading the Book of Urantia. Well, that's fine. That’s all right, but that in fact is only a very small part because true knowledge comes from within not from outside. Lemuel, like so many others, you, I am sure, who are listening to this. You will have read so many books. Philosophical, religious, spiritual books that have finally led you to the Serara discussion forum. Everything that you have ever read have all been little stepping stones.
But it is not knowledge, it is information. And only information. Very interesting or not, but it still remains information. It is not and information can never be knowledge. Knowledge only comes from experience. When you experience something, you know it with certainty. And this is why, if you were able to go through those stages of wanting to know and then knowing, believe me all of us Thought Adjusters, we have our own way of celebrating and we ourselves look forward tremendously to the moment when we are able to fuse totally with our wards.
You may think this cleansing process really is too much for you. There are many different circumstances of course which may be easier or more difficult to come to the point we are able to make that irrevocable decision. But in a sense, it doesn't matter because your own individual Thought Adjusters, they know you very well, they know you better than you know yourselves. Whatever circumstance you find yourself in, if you feel comfortable with it, that's okay. If you do not, then allow, cooperate with your Thought Adjuster when you begin to feel differently about something or someone. Don't run away from that. Don't hide it. Embrace it because it means a change. Listen to your heart, listen to your feelings. This is where your Thought Adjuster is able to prompt you.
Alright. I think I have said enough about this process of change. There are other things, many other things that I could talk about. But at the moment, this is enough. And so, thank you, Lemuel. I'll hand this back to you now. Thank you.
Lemuel
Thank you, dearly Beloved. Thank you so much. I, this is Lemuel speaking now. I will only say that the… Well, maybe or not it'll be necessary for another talk in the future. I do not know. But I will only say that the… My participation in Light Lines, I don't know whether I will or what my beloved wants me to do about that. If I do host a Light Line again, it will be different. My Light Lines will be very different, more of a teaching. And so perhaps it will not be through a Light Line. I don't know. This is up to my beloved.
But there are certain things that I would like to say, or I teach is about the soul. Of course, it is the soul that survives, has the potential of surviving. And I will just add one thing. I know you don't mind, beloved. That is to say, when you, for those of you who are, arrived at number seven, which is I AM, you are able to say, I AM really. And of course, it means that you are fully cognizant of your soul and you know that your soul, not only is surviving, but in fact, your soul has probably left and is teaching itself on the mansion worlds because it's not necessary for your soul to be here any longer. You have graduated from a certain level when you have moved from four to five and you want to know. Anyway, that's by the by anyway.
Alright, so let's leave it at that for the moment. And so, I thank my beloved so very deeply again. And thank you Dominick for giving me another opportunity to speak. And so, I'll hand it back to you now, if I may. I am open to questions if anyone has a question, Dominick.
Dominick
Okay, well press five star if you are on the telephone and you wanna ask a question. Otherwise, any time you want to do more of these, just let me know, Lemuel. And thank you for providing this with your Thought Adjuster.
Lemuel
That's all right. You're welcome.
Dominick
You bet. OK, well, we're going to end it. I don't think there's any questions. They weren't really prepared.
Lemuel
All right, thank you, Dominick.
Dominick
Thank you.
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