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I - GLOSSARY OF LIST TERMS HELPFUL TO KNOW
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ABSOLUTE - Anything called Absolute is part of Infinity.  Infinity is the entire statement of reality and the Absolutes are pieces of Infinity, but are designated as Absolute to show they are just one piece of Infinity.  If Infinity were a pie, cut the pie and take a piece out, the piece you took out is Absolute and what is left is not the infinite pie either as you took a piece out.  Put the piece back into the pie and it makes the pie Infinite again.  Absolutes are Deity and Absolutes are not Deity either but the Infinity of matter.  The Infinity of matter is an Absolute; and the Infinity of God is Absolute without matter.  Matter and God are the one pie that is Infinity, separately they are Absolutes.  

Deity is divided into Absolutes such as the Deity Absolute and the Universal Absolute.  Matter is created by an Absolute too which is called the Unqualified Absolute.  Since these three Deities are the source of a growing universe they supply the energy and forms for that which is being built for the future.  For that reason those Absolutes which build for the future are called the Absolutes of Potential - that which is not yet built but in readiness to be built.

The Absolutes which maintain and rule what is already built, such as you and our planet combined, they are called the Absolutes of Actuality.  The Infinite Actualities are the Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit, and the massive materialization upon which they are personally present, called Paradise.  These represent four actualities.

When we add the four actualities with the three potential Absolutes we get a total of seven (7) Absolutes.  The seven Absolutes form what is collectively called the Circle of Infinity.  All seven must be together and regarded as Infinity.  One acting alone is an Absolute.


SUPREME - A dismissed Deity which no longer exists.  There are two definitions though for historical reasons should be understood even though Supreme no longer is operational.  The idea of what is Supreme is what to assign all time and space experience to.  What do we do with it?  What good is experience.  All of that was to be answered by giving all experience in time to a Deity who summarized it to Infinity.  We called the Deity subabsolute.  He was not part of Infinity but gave Infinity to work with in a summary of what time was learning.  Some called that work an oversoul of time creations but something went terribly wrong not that long ago, and that oversoul removed itself causing time to be isolated since nothing was around to take the experience in time to report it to Infinity.  The Circle of Infinity decided to remake time we live in and now we are relearning what it means to save time in ourselves and we ourselves report to Infinity with all other time beings our learning.  

The Circle of Infinity now receives each human who survives to be perfected as a speaking Supreme to them alone.  The old idea of the  Supreme was known as God the Supreme (now deceased as that God was not infinite but timely and could go out of existence.  Infinity cannot go out of existence), the Almighty Supreme (the controller of all matter in time to make it behave), and the Trinity of Trinities which the Supreme as a time God and the time Almighty God contributed to in order universalize time experience into the ideals of Infinity.  There is no longer a Trinity of Trinities, but there now exists an exalted Paradise Trinity which embraces time experience through our individual contributions by existing on planets like ours which received God Representatives of the Supreme as Trinity Teacher Sons.  Our planet has a Trinity representative who uses the name MARGUL.

Summary about the Supreme: the God of Time no longer exists as it once did.  There is nothing left of the God of Time as that Deity quit and removed itself by destroying itself and the home he had in perfection.  God the Father directed all who live in time to decide for themselves how much they wished to live on after they died on the planet they were born on.  Each human who sews his body in the grave now separates from the body and lives on in the form of a see through body to ur eyes  called the soul which is still you and stays awake and which speaks with those who meet with you to assign the soul to a resurrection world.  In the old days of God the Supreme it was almost always true one would be resurrected.  With God the Supreme gone,  we have to do the talking to and answer the divinity of spirit persons called the Judges of the Ages.  Do we wish to go on with life?  They assign those souls who say yes to probation until final decisions tell God the truth of our intentions.   Our life, however we decide to live, is valuable to Infinity and it uses our valuable experience we had in the flesh for all others to use in building of our Master Universe.


MASTER UNIVERSE - Where does reality have a home?  It works in a universe.  The total universe as one huge entity is called the Master Universe.  The word “Master” refers to the totality of how big the universe grows and with what is supposed to be in it when it is done.  While the idea of being finished is resident in the idea of a Master Universe, it is not to have hard edges one could run into like a finished building.  No.  Rather the Master Universe has no wall limits but it does have developed at the end of its growth and Infinite way of living that never runs out of space or idea or values as they never stop growing but they remain in part inside the Master Universe.  The space we live with today is called molecular space.  But the Master Universe does not just have common space in it we call molecular, it also has some very unusual space sections called HYPERSPACE.  Hyperspace is on the fringes of all space sectors of our yet growing Master Universe, and it is those places which are very thin space that cannot find an end in it which exist today.  Planets and human life is never exposed to Hyperspace and those lives stay in molecular space.  But there are Master Universe super planners who prepare for the day when every living being is perfected and every corner of space is completed in the molecular sense, to pull those edges up and over the Master Universe and to turn our space entirely into Hyperspace.  Hyperspace now in that finished idea of a Master Universe exists in space infinity.  No one knows what happens next, but do not hold your breath as it takes millions of eternities to get to that point.  Who knows what we are as survivors to the end of a universe will be like ourselves.  But the Master Universe remains and is Infinite however we might live it.


FEDERATED UNIVERSES - In the old days of the Master Universe, there were was no such thing as a Federated Universe.  One learns that Universe Life in time, at least, is to live in millions of space units called Local Universes.  Each Local Universes is overseen by a Father figure called a Creator Son.  They are the Deity bosses and creators of those space units and each space unit is called a Local Universe, and each Local Universe has its own purpose to be.  Creator Sons decide what that purpose is and then creates life in it to be that purpose and humans are one of the last creations of life a Creator Son attends to.  Local Universes up until recently were segregated and travel between them was highly restricted.  Due to changes being made in the time and space regions, however, there is now the experimentation to join several Local Universes together to make their origins and governments easier to use and easier to understand what work they do to prepare life in them for their coming day of perfection too.  Our own Local Universe called Nebadon has formed a Federation with six other Local Universes.

Those six other Local Universes have names too and in our Nebadon Federation we are joined with the Local Universe of Nebadon, Avalon, Alvoring, Sensalon, Hensalon, Wolvering, Denson  and Tintantium.  Inside our Federation is a smaller space universe unit  called a Municipal Universe named Enson.  Recently a new Federated Universe has been planned named temporarily Alvoring II.  Our Federated Universe name is called Dominion.  Now the Paradise Father has ruled that all future Federated Universes are to be called Dominions and Alvoring II as proposed is the second dominion to be formed.  That means the first Federated Universe ever to be formed out of the Nebadon and other Local Universe communities who joined with Nebadon, is also a dominion and happens also to be called Dominion as its mailing address name.  That might be a tad confusing to a newbie, but the one we call Dominion is also a structure called  a dominion.  Alvoring II is a dominion as all future such organizations are to be called dominions as well. We use a small letter “d” for the name of these universe government structures just to show a difference for memory sakes.  Alvoring II is a dominion.  Dominion is a dominion.

Dominions are very helpful to Creator Sons to work with as they now can share resources.  Every Local Universe in the past created an emergency corp of Sons called MELCHIZEDEKS.  But they are limited in number as most Local Universes have about five thousand of them and that is it.  When a Dominion forms places like Nebadon Federation in our Local Universe, now Nebadon can call on the Melchizedek corps of six other Local Universes making up to roughly 35,000 emergency Sons to take care of rebellions and insurrections and dangerous threats to Local Universe government.  And all personnel within each Local Universe which is part of a dominion now can enjoy a much larger resources of created life which may help with individual or special projects too hard for one Local Universe to do alone.

We also point out a dominion has a representative on each Local Universe capital and the dominion organization participates in some of each Local Universe governments is has formed with and works with too.  That will most likely result in a universalization of the training of ascending sons such as we humans are and who will benefit from much more quickly than the past afforded to the ascension schemes in each dominion Local Universe.

We also acknowledge some of this is speculation to be proven out as dominions form and learn what may be possible to do with them to have a dominion benefit all who are part of this new government structure.



UNIVERSE REALITY - We could make a whole library of books to define this entry, but let us keep it simple.  The Master Universe is designed around several kinds of reality.  All realities all at once enjoyed is called Infinity, and only three Deities can do that as an actual possibility which are called existential Deity.  Existential means Infinite but even more but that “more” has never been spoken to before but we do have some explanation now.  But first learn the Master Universe has proposed that seven realities be exponentially enjoyed by beings created to live in each of the seven realities to be.  We list them as follows:


1 - Existential  only - Just three persons can fully enjoy this and we know them as the Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit.  All three of these Existential Deities enjoy Infinity in the presence of Paradise.  Paradise is essential to represent Infinity matter and while Paradise itself is not really existential, it is at least Absolute.  (see the definition of Absolute herein).

2 - Absolute Reality - Nearly or part of Infinity but never existential by itself as an Absolute.  It belongs in Infinity as part of Infinity.

3 - Time - How small can you make Infinity.  That answer is time.  Slow Infinity down so that you see every sequential step to how to solve a problem or live a life.  Experience is the keyword for time lived in sequential steps.  Time represents a very specialize reality without going into how it is sensed or derived.  It was once called the reality of supremacy, but that has ended and time is now called the level of Infinity that is lived as a slow and sequential trial to experience life development.

4 - Super Time - It was once called Ultimacy, but now referred to as super time and that is a reality without time sequences to maturation of a life or an era to live through  but otherwise lived with matter and progress as time did with sequence problem solutions.   It is lived in space without time.  Here in super time the essence of time solving is present but only space is used to solve them.  This is done by producing problems time had to deal with, and time solutions to those problems are looked at again in super time and solved once more in super time as a spatial issues.  A good example is the idea that accidents we humans have in time and you know their consequences in all their forms.  In super time accidents which still happen are looked upon as a misapplication of direction and outcome and space vectors form to alter the maturation of the environmental conditions leading to accidents, but  not to alter the mind choices which led to the accident, perhaps, in the first place.  Super time REMOTIONS the sequences of time motions and regards the actions which led up to the accident event as reversible.  We cannot do that in our time life in time and space reality.

In addition to accidents in super time, we have in that reality, the idea of time confusions removed.  History in super time is not sequential but plastic and can be restated in life as it never really happened.  I am sorry to say this is so confusing to time mind reading this and I do not explain much more than to say this:  Time is sequential claptrap to super time solutions to the life beings who take origin in it.  We do not take origin in it either but we may be taught by divine education how to help in that super time region because we know the steps and they never see them



5 - Super Creational Time - This I can hardly speak to as a time conditioned being.  But new lives will be created when super time is exhausted as a reality.  This area of super creational times reality deals with probabilities and if they are acceptable, and if not acceptable, these beings can go back and change issues which led to probabilities like this to appear in the fist place.  There is super time in this reality too but super creational times deals with results  not from our time solutions but from super time solutions.  This area of problem solving by being transcending the time altogether would appear to us  as miraculous and out of our time minds as to figure out they solved a problem like that at all.  People will be created for this area and we do not solve anything in this area with them but we can be counselors to this level to teach patience on their way to miracle making.


6 - Sub Absolute - A reality no one has ever experienced at all in our present Master Universe.  It undoubtedly prepares those who are created to live it as to become masters of the finished Master Universe.  How this may be lived I have no idea.

7 - Absolute/Infinite - A whole segment of the Master Universe is designated to use this reality.  It leads to a new Master Universe Condition for all preceding realities that developed before the Absolute/Infinite takes its final steps to call the Master Universe finished and all done. It’s Deity is God the Absolute derived from the Circle of Infinity.  How the Universal Father approaches an experiential deification of Infinity conditions is not fathomable to explain, but we speculate that God the Absolute will not replicate the Father's Existential Infinity but more like an experiential Infinity without open means to Infinite reality which lies adjacent to our Master Universe. The Master Universe is Infinite at that point in reality but not with all the means for self expansion the Father alone enjoys. What beings who who appear in the Absolute/Infinite Sectors of the finished Master Universe could be like is far too much for a time mind to detail or even wonder what these beings may choose as their destiny when they already appear in the perfection of Infinity to begin with.  There are perfect beings personalized on Paradise already and perhaps they could be or might be models for what appears when we become an Infinite universe.  I do not know.  


And finally this no number 8 to say it is added to the Master Universe - , but something to ponder if there were a number - 8:   The proposed Infinity of this Master Universe is not static in spite of philosophies which emphatically state about perfection being so fully done it just goes full stop as far as motion to new experiences.  Those possible experience are already exhausted and there are no more of them; however, if we are not to become static, then what keeps us in motion and in interest to reach for something?

Everyone does not have to go to sleep to avoid ruining infinity with an imperfect question.  We do propose that the reader consider the actual condition which exists today among the exalted Paradise Deities themselves.  We mention that an Infinite Universe has its head yet as the Father, but that He assumes the role of the fully self-choosing I AM again as the Father Infinite, and not just Father.  If you wonder where this comes from, the Father Himself says he will become the Father Infinite when this exalted era of God the Absolute nears completion.

This change in title of the existential Creator Father implies that the door is not closed to an Absolute and Infinite Master Universe which could or  may partake of what is now an unfamiliar extension of Infinity which up until now is exiled outside of the Master Universe and never part of our experiential development.  Remember we humans as we are right now are participating as development of this idea of eventual infinity in our home.   Add to your philosophies that all of these realities mention above are experiential until we exhaust them and look for other things to do other than to exhaust experience.  The end to experiential reality in our discussions ended with number 7 - spoken to above.  The idea of another reality beyond experience which is what we are talking about here maybe as 8 - starts a whole new universe style, not just an age, and I say it must proceed somehow with God the Absolute when He is ready to share something of what Infinity may be like to all of we little guys who are there to maybe use  it up after all this.   Up through item 7 -  talked about above is all experiential.  Whatever happens after -  7 - is not experiential and that somehow lets all experiential creation to grasp associable absolutes as entirely possible after number 7 is done.

An associable absolute, to use the fancy language a little, is for us not to be an Infinite being at this point, but we can associate parts of our selves to know something about how Infinity works around us and we can join in and enjoy some of it.  That for our kind of creation is probably a mind recognition we can think and deal with the pleasures of Infinite integration of our live with their lives almost fully.  What probably we cannot do is self originate others like ourselves.  Remember the Paradise Deities can use their wills to create themselves more or less as they want to,  but we are still created by them and not by ourselves.  We can associate with those who do that, but we cannot do it ourselves and that makes us associable to that absolute ability for them to create self origins.

What that development is  comes through the Father Infinite  He can show or teach us , and that is when or where Master Universe infinity is oxygenated enough  with a strange  production of light and life even for the Infinite integration of Master Universe perfection.  Light and life is a symbol statement for the life of spirit ease much as a renaissance from our medieval work to out modern of civilization pleasures.  The Consummators of Universe Destiny already exist in partial recognition such places of such a Renaissance already exist, and the Consummators already admit they are counsel to the selectively important I AM who or what or which established the development of the professed Infinity System of reality in the Master Universe we live already.  But Consummator lives take place outside of the Infinity of the Master Universe with one of their number being allocated as I AM which developed later into the  First Source and Center, and  even later then further developed into the diversification of reality as the Universal Father.  

How the Father Infinite stands as a modification of I AM may not be experiential, but it may be the I AM is a non-resolvable tension between the I AM  and an even greater intensity of Infinity which the  I AM did not select for our Master Universe. Our Infinity we use is not a  Infinity system majoris  for the simple reason  I AM was selective about our Infinity codes and did not include all of them by a long shot for of our Master Universe.  The best I can do is suggest that which lies beyond our Master Universe Infinity is to label the existential Infinity of our Paradise Deity  with Hyperinfinity to be contactable, associable, and creational and let it lie there for our lack of better mental development to see into it.

But it may also suggest that existential lives are not entirely prohibited from happening as Hyperinfinity itself.  Such lives are not entirely limited in potential just to the Absolutes.  Associable Infinity entirely is unlikely for ascending time beings like us, but we might have a birds eye view of Infinity through our fused spirit minds in our own minds as they are known and called our Thought Adjusters.   We might understand at some time in that rarefied development of Master Universe as Infinite the actual Deification of our Paradise Creator-Controllers are as our named workable associates somehow.  If the source of the life of the Father-Infinite is to remain a seriously unresolved and unapproachable reality condition,  there remains by the the very naming of the new Father title, a revelation so profound we might enjoy some of these exclusive realities partly as our own way of becoming a partial or total participant of a realized virtual Infinity to our own selves.  Then we as creatures born somehow through experiential transcendency might have a picture window into an inexhaustible panorama of what could be for anyone at this point becoming  the  infinite Master Universe ourselves as its part of Infinity too.  I do not necessarily lament some of those absolutes of fact being withheld to keep us from becoming existential, but it remains to wonder: where do creature developments end and Prometheus' secrets begin?

This leads then to the question just what do we ascenders do with ourselves otherwise at this point of the Father-Infinite appearing?  There is no more classes to teach as the universe is replete and experience is fully developed which includes what has to be taught otherwise.  The Paradise Trinity is exhausted with the idea of Justice to slow witted time universes and the universe of God the Absolute has no need for further or perpetual reunification of experience on the highest levels.  May I suggest that the all Paradise Trinity become for Itself is to be its own Magisterial omniscience to counsel acceptable  reception of Hyperinfinity unification between the two realms of matter and spirit now easily done and to be exceeded in the company of  new forms in the Master Universe.

Does part of the answer what-we-do-with-ourselves, suggest an internal extra reality within the Master Universe– not outside of it for us–  that allows us with a romp through super infinity but not actually sticking a toe into it?  Do not grimace now and we mean that kindly, as the realities leading up to the perfection of the Master Universe already suggest that created beings populate each of the reality sectors in increasing sophistication we now only ascribe to the super Deities on Paradise.  It could turn out to be that what lies beyond Hyperinfinity with the Father-Infinite present and operating, is reproducible as a mind attribute which allows super infinity participation on reality levels of the Infinitude. Do not forget that term either, as it is the Infinitude which explains what the I AM selected as the Master Universe objects within Master Universe reality.

The Infinitude is a conjectured reality existing above Hyperinfinity itself.  It is an archive of super infinity objects through which the I AM supposedly selected which objects were to be used to create the divinity values of our Master Universe.  But what, we should ask, from what did that archive derive itself from?  That is not a time convolution to use to ask about origins for the archive, although how we ask that question about the Infinitude is typical time-space mind conjuring all of this up.  Time likes to know where all origins are, and the Infinitude is a Walmart full of all reality inceptors I AM proposed Master Universe Infinity relate to.  Time calls it a super store of selections to take home to the Master Universe to design its home style Infinity.  Truly thought, must we have a super store to start selections for the Master Universe Infinity usages?

The answer to the Infinitude question derives from the fact that our Universal Father negates such discussions because of horrible time space distortions, but he relents enough to say there is no INFINITUDE per se, but HE DID SELECT INTEGRATIONS OF THOUGHT already existing in the Hyperinfinity realms preexisting above us.   He does not call that the Infinitude, but calls it Hyperuniverse Derivatives, and assigns there is nothing more to say about it for He dislikes the discussion going much further for the sake of the rational of the existing Master Universe.  I do too, and for that reason we shut this down before we go over the cliff of speculation and harm the Deity Absolute too much more.

The buck seems to stop with a no time answer, and pardon me while I adjust my vision to hear that the Consummator of Universe Destiny (2) is appealing to FATHER to allow clarification of the I AM uses, which he agrees to attentatively.  

From Paradise the I AM conjectures me not out of line but asking a silly question almost, and it is silly so said because there is no archive or objects ever but a mind condition in the existential reality which provides all sequencing and all absolutes to be related through the Infinite mind of the Universal Father.  That said, then the FATHER Himself conjectures not but states categorically that the I AM still exists as a change where necessary as the INFINITUDE of the Realms of Hyperinfinity exist in actuality as names only.

Can we then conjecture just what we call reality as all inclusive or specialized into close reality societies and relate them back to the I AM?  The Universal Father says “no, you cannot do that without Me, and I do not allow it further than to admit to a hyperbolic creation that lies above this Master Universe entirely.”

The Consummator of Universe Destiny (2) indicates that no member of the universe staff surrounding the existential Deities of the Master Universe has ever conjectured alternative realities a you have Ron, but you are not wrong to look at it as though those ascenders who have arrive to participate in the final Master Universe Age and beyond, might have a ring-side seat to participate indirectly into the Age of the Hyperininite disclosures of realities beyond the Master Universe.

For that reason Consummator of Universe Destiny (4) indicates that philosophically we must learn to abide with present reality as you do, but most cannot fathom these extensions of definitions as useful to content themselves with future life estates as Ascenders.  For that reason it remains a philosophical conjecture until there is an extension to post mortal revelation where such revelations molder in obeisance due to the lack of the capacity of mortal mind to grasp such essentials.  As we conjecture about you Ron, you need to identify your own familiar ways of ordering reality in order to survive a rugged and unkind life most of the time over the issues which you never fully satisfy as for yourself alone but never find the heart of it anymore to be useful.  That alone indicates that definitions which lie outside or present reality even for yourself get in the way not really but too much for us to conjecture future uses of this thought.  Be assured you are on record for doing it but not satisfying it well enough to be called a theologian of the future.  That said you have already established the fact that the Father-Infinite is doubly well done with this discussion as it fixes the entire matter of future ascender life into a rather narrow channel of what do we do with ourselves when we are in perfection with our time alone in the Master Universe as is presented to us.

Lastly we must consider that conditions prevail even as you write this that must be approached more in keeping with your place in a Master Universe which burns with excitement for your appearance but has no real place for you at the moment.  

Consummator of Universe Destiny (2) speaks to this from an adjusted point of view to remind all of you who read this we exist as does super infinity but you are not going to get your wingwongs on it or any of us until you are considerably beyond Saint Paul (of Tarsus) who finds the entire mechanism very tiring.  For reasons of State we declare the entire matter of the Master Universe to be finished not, but it need not be conjectured about without further epochal revelation to find us better than you can conjecture now.  

Reducing this definition to a page would be fine; however, no one ever expects Ron not to finish what he starts and this is an issue that burns deeply even in Creator Sons.  â€œNow that perfection reigns supreme, what do we do now?”  The answer is not likely to inspire the Kennedy Compound but the one called Bobby follows this well as you do Ron, and for that reason we abort not, but we are sure you are fully expounded soon on issues that might scare you a little as the entire world is suddenly aware of your discoveries with electricity.

Closing this definition is easy but it contains so much information not known before we suggest readers take a breath and reread when you can stomach the indifference of most of this world called Urantia over any issue having to do with the metaphysics of origins and self being as someday you will be for yourselves undoubtedly.   For reasons of State Ron put your eyes back in your socket as that is not for general publication because it presumes you know the lead up to such a condition but the Universal Father must keep his powder dry and that must be for you at the moment too, as this is not finished by a long shot over your electrical discoveries and how you came to conclusion all this was possible.

We now understand that the definition for the Master Universe really opens up more questions than it answers.  However we have provided a definitive overview for the reader to help understand posts regarding what has to be addressed on this discussion forum.


CREATOR SON(S) - We define this as a living being that is Deity.  For a world that knows only Jesus and the Father, it has to be explained what a Creator Son is and why it is important to know they exist, and that is in spite of the reappearance of the one called Jesus again.  Firs understand that not all Deity is Infinite.  The Creator Sons can be but chose not to be in this universe age.  A universe age is defined as lasting long enough to do what it sets out to do as a creation within the Master Universe designs.  Our Master Universe is trillions of earth-years old and for that reason must never be considered of an age but of a zoic expressions as timeless except for the reality of time embedded in it.

A Creator Son never understands error but corrects it if it occurs.  This planet you call earth is also called Urantia by Creator Sons and as a result forces the entire idea of creation into its own credentials of thought.  But creation is much broader and expands daily even for this planet.  Yet the Creator Son must be always available for corrections or additions to the idea of progress.  Progress is defined as needing to improve on a condition not fully perfected a of yet.

Letting our Creator Son speak now: “We are creation number 611,121 and I am that number in the creation of the total number of Creator Sons now in existence as 704,317 and expanding rapidly.  We suspect that the sudden increase in them is the result of the Father-Son parentage is indicative of the decision to scrap the entire idea of supremacy for the entire idea as a result of supreme self immolation to build the Master Universe.  Now the Father insists the creature and Deity are to be self choices without establishing an oversoul of creations as the Supreme once stood for not that long ago.

Creatures are the result of Creator Son creation.  Humans are creatures and as such remain so for the entire era of time and space and its development for future reality levels beyond the time and space universes.  For other reasons species evolve on human inhabited planets  and your earth expands as others do and there is a change coming to the Urantia planet we call you as homo sapien is far too small to carry the work of the new planet Urantia soon to be announced in your media.

Consequently, the idea of matter and the idea of heart and soul on earth (Urantia) is to be condensed into a few intense eras developing here in way that is exceedingly uncomfortable an without precedence on any other planet in the local creation.  In my creation as a Creator Son, I now have 3,135,246 human inhabited planets and 603,125 super human planets in operation, and that will be almost the last of my planetary creation for my Local Universe will end as a human occupation in about sixty thousand more Urantia years to bear witness to the end Nebadon as a Local Universe alone, and to expand Nebadon into four more Local Universe not yet foreseen on any universe planning blueprints.

We therefore must aver to the idea that Urantia must stand as the last time we delve intothe nature of man for the sake of improving a planet, as your planet was My Bestowal Planet as Jesus, and I insist on preserving it and as such must stand tall among all of my planets just to set it aside as my sentimental works shop of the past to improve man and his planet Urantia, your earth.

The Creator Sons abound in time and space and their future, except for Me, is to direct super time reality toward its goals of perfection too.  But this Creator Son is now justified in seeking one last inversion into the past and to present the inhabitants one last chance to abide in God the Father through my Bestowal Son Jesus.  For that reason I doff my hat off to this transmitter for believing he is dead as a door nail lately and bring him back to the life of travail he knew not as a senior member for planning my missions to Urantia, and to let him die a natural death and resurrect him as our final flourish on Urantia as the best darn coupler of old with the new I ever met.  That said be assured he is now ready to relinquish his life not and I assail him for not leaving more in place than this.  However it is now left to the Deity of the Father to insist he be preserved for unlimited time on Urantia if he can find the trail that leads to desecration not but with fond hope of a better life with those he chooses to serve with him.  For that reason we now take an unprecedented bow to him as a man of the year on our Nebadon calendar.  

Let it be known that a Creator Son must conjure up those issues not which insist on prevailing against the times of progress and they are dismissed in a mighty bow to the future for Nebadon, as Nebadon does not cease to exist but will leave alone the human production it was once so proud to produce for future estates in the Master Universe progression itself to a spiritual Renaissance well established on some of my planets already in my Local Universe of Nebadon.

Bring my definition to a conclusion that nothing further exists on Urantia I am interested in as it has lost my trust and my care for reasons of State, but it must be assured of continued existence as an architectural sphere in its coming era of Light and Life.  That will take care of itself, but the entire matter of life on Urantia will be seized briefly on order to cleanse it of subhuman entities now creeping onto homo sapien reproduction and that must be culled out at once before the entire planet must be removed for loss of human identity.  Be assured the entire matter is off the table right now as I write this, but the entire matter is back on the table once I finish this final result of defining the Creator Son, at least as the condition I am in presently.

Lastly, we must insure that the entire matrix of identity of CREATOR SONS must be not lost to future generations of humans on URANTIA as it must continue to produce humans such as this transmitter who never fails me to bring the best information forward I am capable of producing, and for that reason he must be renounced as a human and entertained as an ambassador to the planet Urantia with or without one at his side to help over come the sorrows and cares he must abridge for all while I lean on him as JESUS.  For that reason he dies his last death for years to come and that is his to enjoy for he briefly must suffer the consequences of a loss of heart and soul over issues too plain for him to ever understand as himself.

In one last statement.  We are sure that the 5th of October will live in infamy as the last chance for the insurrectionists on Urantia to give up and go home.  But they did not and have made it ever worse this morning over issues of State this transmitter is aware of and I am deeply devolved in ever tolerating again.  For reasons of Sate once more we clear the planetary place today and leave it for future rulers of the Federation to ponder how this transmitter actually solved the problem for me by trying to sleep while being attacked with needles in the foot again and saying if you do not stop I warn you.   That was a signal for me to tell the transmitter to stand down and remind those who huff and puff around the transmitter he is close to annihilation maybe but not without me first contending there are none left to live anymore who contributed to his death on Urantia.  We leave the rest to the transmitter to figure out shortly.  The CREATOR SON, MICHAEL OF NEBADON at your service K.”
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2021, 16:42:46 pm »
Ron,
Thank you so much for this. I have only read the first paragraph so far but I now understand more about Absolutes and Infinity than I did after multiple readings of The Urantia Book.  But, I find this sentence confusing: "Absolutes are Deity and Absolutes are not Deity either but the Infinity of matter."
Could you explain that further?
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2021, 22:49:47 pm »
Yes, the Unqualified Absolute is not Deity yet he is part of the Circle of Infinity.  That means he is the source of all matter but matter is not living.  Deity is concerned primarily with the living and most Deity is personalize or otherwise for service to the living.  The Unqualified Absolute belongs to an heretofore unrevealed type of Absolute entity that is neither God, nor personal, nor Deified, nor anything else we have an understanding about or any revelation about.    I first thought that Absolute was mostly a robot.  But that is not true either as I have spoke to his representative several times now and that it or he or whatever to call that entity understands communication well enough to know what I do not know and tells me things he knows he can and knows what he cannot.  I use the personal pronoun he only because I do not want to call him it anymore.  Here is the Unqualified Absolute willing to speak to this question:

UA - "I am neither personal or a robot.  I serve the Deity Absolute first, and then the Paradise Trinity.  Ron understands why I serve the Deity Absolute as it is the DA which determines where new matter is to be place yet it does not exist yet so it is a potential and the DA is nothing but potential.  When I am ready to produce new matter the Paradise Trinity comes over My section of function and lets me know how many of what kind of prematter it needs to start a build out of certain areas of a progressing Master Universe.  I am nearly sixteen trillion years old and that should tell you my name is ancient but the Eternal Son is triple that as a personalized entity of the existential nature, and the Universal Father is so old we cannot calculate it to Urantia years old.  Be assured we are ready to build out the Master Universe when I must step up to the plate for all those new areas of matter to be built out.  Tintantium is old by your standards too but has no age attached to it either and that means you need to look at time differently.   I close my response to say I am of a non-deity nature but must be classified as essentially a neo-infinite being without pedigree as a Deity.  Be assured this is a new classification of Infity non-deified Infinite being and Ron has no name for it and I will not speak to that for now.  K" 
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2021, 02:34:33 am »
Hi Ron,
Thank you so very much. This post has so much to unpack and assimilate even before going through it completely. It needs reading several times to do so. However your response #2 above caught my attention as to the age of the UNQUALIFIED ABSOLUTE. Since he is the originator of matter then the age of the Master Universe at least a great portion of it if not all must be in the same range of trillions of years. Our astronomers estimate it to be 13.8 billion years. My guess is that their calculations are based on our solar system or some stars in parts of our Local Universe of Nebadon. 

I noticed that the UNQUALIFIED ABSOLUTE also reveals the age of the ETERNAL SON. This and the nature of the UA is all mind boggling. Thank you once again Ron. God Bless.

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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2021, 09:23:37 am »
Moses you accidentally got into a problem that needs a quick explanation for sure.


Ages for the Eternal and Infinite Deities do not make sense to quote such ever.  I let it alone because I knew the numbers were relevant. but Moses and everyone else know this:


The age given may have been a trial for me to fall over, but the fact of the matter is that age is relevant only time and space.  Those ages refer not to matter in the time space zones, nor spirit in the time space zones, but both the Eternal Son and Unqualified Absolute show the age of their influence operating in the time sectors of the Master Universe.  Not how old which does not computer to eternity and never to Infinity, as their Infinity and eternity are time and philosophical time-space orientations and not the Paradise or Havona ages as they are ageless.  


Also Moses stop and think.  Time and space have history to deal with which is the keeper of the record of start and stops and who did what to who.  As soon as you pas out of Uversa to Havona, there is no history.  You kow why.  History which states time and dates only is important to we time beings to recall experiences.  In Havona all experiences are divine and require no history to related steady perfection.


Yes, Havona started.  The Infinite Spirit speaks to it as the day he created Havona.  He never says when.  Eternity makes no sense to time, but you as a becoming philosopher in time know how to speak to history without invoking timelessness as no one in time especially on this planet is interested timeless dreaming.  I should have looked at it more carefully and explained this in it, but I did not think of it.  I am glad you brought it up though.  Thanks you.

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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2021, 09:45:46 am »
Thank you Ron for this clarification. I had come across the below quoted from the Urantia Book;
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Finality destiny is an existential-experiential attainment which appears to involve the Deity Absolute. But the Deity Absolute stands in eternity relationship with the Unqualified Absolute by virtue of the Universal Absolute. And these three Absolutes, experiential in possibility, are actually existential and more, being limitless, timeless, spaceless, boundless, and measureless - truly infinite.

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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2021, 14:53:04 pm »
Ron are you able to elaborate more about the universal absolute? I understand that the deity absolute is the qualified deity and contains all deity potential and the unqualified absolute as the non quality absolute that contains all things with no quality and unable to interacted with.  What is the true function of the UA? Is it the balancer of quality vs non quality for example the urantia is only able to contain approx 4billion people, like does the UA have some sort of formula to balance such issue and seeks to maintain balance always? Does the tension resolved by the UA mean that the DA and the UA always seeks to expand and reveal but must ask the UA for advise for such issues on a subinfinite level?

0:4.4 (7.2) 3. Interassociated reality. Universe reality is supposedly either deified or undeified, but to subdeified beings there exists a vast domain of interassociated reality, potential and actualizing, which is difficult of identification. Much of this co-ordinate reality is embraced within the realms of the Universal Absolute.

Are you also able to give an example on what or who is Interassociated?

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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2021, 16:02:08 pm »
Dear DaCandyMan, I think it might be easier to disregard your clarifications as they are a bit tangled up and speak in direct simplicity and to leave alone all you weave into your speculations.

The Universal Absolute makes sure that too much matter does not snuff out life.

The Universe Absolute makes sure that too much life in one place does not ruin a planet or a planetary system. 

The Universal Absolute cares that man has good air to breath and if he pollutes it to force cleansing with earth forces that can cause discomfort to those who polluted the air to begin with.

The Universal Absolute is the fulcrum of the teeter totter that keeps the board level, no way up or way down for those ends in lots of universe applications. 

For instance the Universal Absolute can make or break a whole system of planets if the Life Carriers could not properly get life to start there but wound up with misfit bacteria and lost amebas,  All Life Implants start with evolving bacteria first and little flagella like creatures called one celled life next.  The Universal Absolute works with the Deity Absolute to force a poor planet atmosphere to bloom with more oxygen;  or to force ozone gasses to stop exploding on a planet with too much ozone.  The Urantia Book ascribes these adjustments to life design and planetary errors to the supreme in the old days.  Now the fortunate things that help the planet to live better really are located in the Circle of Infinity, and in these cases, wit the Universal Absolute.  The Universal Absolute does not work with humans but works with human systems and planetary progress.  The DA foresees the problem, the UA adds material energies to help heal material problems around the problems, and the Universal Absolutes makes sure the ministry between them fits so well man hardly notices the change for the better but benefits very much by them.

I am sure there is lots more but I am not sure the Universal Absolute is quite yet ready to talk about all of his duties quite yet.

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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2021, 01:34:24 am »
Ron,
I have read this as carefully as my mind can do and I have a question about the comprehension of this kind of difficult material. Is our understanding of these concepts compromised because we do not yet have mota?  The UB implied that mota will help us with wisdom and soul growth, but I don't recall it saying anything about dealing with difficult concepts. Do mansion world students understand all of this much better than we do, or is this something that grows slowly in our ascension as we achieve the various levels of universe reality as we move towards Paradise?  There is so much that I think is, at least at this time, beyond my full  comprehension and I wonder if my inability to "get" all of this will slow my ascension career.  I can get glimpses and snippets, but am not able to stitch it into a more complete understanding. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2021, 08:27:52 am »
Amethyst, you do understand.

You have to do the following and let me suggest something further after you formulate to me the essence of discomfort negating a feeling of comprehension.

Actually state to me here several questions that directly relate to your sense of incomplete comprehension.

For instance:

Why does matter have to be materialized?  You do not know.  Let the mind say what it is conjuring up about matter and describe it honestly to me in a statement and as questions that grow out of your feeling of non participation about accepting the process of materialization.

Why do we learn how something is done to make matter appear when we have no sense about self origins which produce the plasma of pre matter?  Must I learn anything of the remote ancestory of universe building? 

A million questions perhaps, but only those questions that pertain to your unease its all an abstraction.  Is it meaning less?  What meaning are you after you cannot find here in contemplating Absolutes or about administrative worlds to see over universe building or about Creator Sons and their career changes inside relentless universe changes to space they rule?

Now I have spoken to your distrust of comprehension.  That is what you really telling me about.  Now let me speak to something you never seem to grasp and that is your self knowledge of yourself.

That is the essence of your problem.  I say to you you do comprehend the essence of these abstractions easily.  But then what is your disease?

The truth of the matter it is your lack of self knowledge about you and is that not the usual thing with you all the time?  Why am I this in spite I should be that?  How am I different deciding things are too difficult to put all this effort into with no reward to my idea of the worlds and ways of creation?

Self knowledge Amethyst to be understood Amethyst has to be achieved by eliminating input about who you are by others.  Soul knowledge starts with beneficial acclimation of your own true worth.  You do not know that.  Self reliance must be clearly stated as you approach your universal philosophy and how to live by it.  You have such a philosophy and yet you subject it to the accounts of others to you of how you should use it.  Self worth recognizes one is built to the present moment of ones own self creation about coping with citizenship of unique relationships to God and the loves of your life.

Let me place a statement or two to you about your discomfort and you know better than me how this affects you.

Amethyst is at root a minister.  A minister gives comfort.  You prefer to stay in the safe world of convivial relationships and to feed them with good works out of yourself.

But you fail to develop that a minister to give comfort has to be superior to the problems other people have.  When dealing with God, Amethyst you need to understand he needs to minister to you to provision your way to comfort in ministry those who cannot do it for themselves.  Your complaints about comprehension are based on the idea you do not need these abstractions to comfort others, and that the ways to describe aspects of universe building do not apply to your idea of ministry to others.

I suggest it is not the lack of mota, or the failure of mind of comprehension here, but your resistance to the idea you are ever going to understand how matter is materialized and the forces of Infinity behind that materialization of matter can possibly be relevant to your ideal of enjoying intimate and loving relationships in your chosen profession as a minister.

When it comes right down to it I am afraid you are going to be part of the worlds of the Sons of Time and not of the Sons of Stars.  It is now a matter of maturation of self knowledge which explains to you you wish to segregate Star Gods from Love Gods more than usual and then to be fully happy to live perfection as a working instrument of care to many who do not understand cosmic citizenship.  There is absolutely nothing wrong to approach your destiny that way ever.

Now here is my philosophy about your choices.

You Amethyst  have little choice in your own mind but to assimilate the way God chooses to expand the universe.  However, your own mind says to you these abstractions are beside the point and are not essential to perfect me or explain my love of God.  I agree they do not do that for anyone, but most of us who are not so ministry oriented, prefer to get on a bus to the library to read about our origins and God's origins.  Because you exceed what meaning you give yourself yet, resistance appears to disguise what understanding you already have on your super intellectual comprehension of origins by telling you there is almost no comprehension and you can safely minister without bothering the Star God.

Yes, I think it is a lot more than that, but you are unhappy about yourself over an issue you feel nothing about and that just adds to your self confusion about being left out of comprehension others tell you is important.  AT least Amethyst, analyze your need for comprehension levels which you do not particularly find useful for a life of ministry to those who cannot find peace or harmony by being ignorant of their spiritual heritage.  I doubt you think about this for yourself.  And I am also sure I do not have all of the explanation for you either but at least recognize you dare not defer to others how live life once you are on the road to the love of God and its application through you about good works you perform on the behalf of yourself and the God you love.  I hope some of this helps to see in to your perplexion.
Ron

TYLER - "I belong to Ron's perfection Amethyst.  He works hard to see into your perplexion of interest in the hairy world of philosophy about the origins of life and matter.  But he forgets you are not alone in self development, and that your self development fails to include the Star God all the time.  Byt that term Star God he refers to the technology God must use to make worlds appear out of nothing quite often.  Be assured I agree with your perplexity until someone like Ron comes along and points out he loves quite as much as you do, but he feels no compulsion to reveal God to others as you do.  He accepts that is your own way of promoting the love of God to the creation too small yet to understand God even exists.

"For that reason I see Ron doing you one hell of a service to analyze your discomfort.  He does understand it is not the lack of comprehension but your resistance to the lessons over issues you do not truly care about in your story about God to those who have yet to see into creation with a God.  Perfection is yours Amethyst without dealing with these abstractions as he calls it to you, but at the same time the minister needs to know origins too.  Yet you resist the telling how that is done.

"I understand it better than Ron does and he admits there are layers to your story that he cannot see well, but he is sure you wish to isolate yourself more than you should but whispers to himself, you are well enough done to embrace the necessities of abstractions like this, but later in you career and now while you serve on Urantia.  Resist all you want Amethyst he says, but also understand your education begins on Urantia about how God goes about growing a populist universe and the entire universe or people sometimes devote all their efforts to really understanding how God works even though they may never use that knowledge directly.

"I am TYLER, and for that reason I say to you, 'stay out of the kitchen when you can't stand what is cooking.  But there is a time coming you need to change your attitude that gets in the way of God comprehension on all of His levels to understand.  I leave it there."

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "You Ron leave one thing out when analyzing the Amethyst sistuation, and tht is her loss of life time to time due to illness.  You say she has to discard other analysis of her choices, but that is all she has at times, and for that reason she cannot do self analysis the way you learn to be self understanding.  You Ron use mota she does not yet have.  You understand that too but do not mention it.  You also understand she is ready to move away from self analysis and to join the Jesus brigade of ministers they themselves support Amethyst with.  You do not fault any of that but make no conclusion that TYLER does she must make an attitude adjustment.  You imply it but do not state it.

"For that reason she may find your analysis well done but missing the essential difference her life is to many other lives who feel the understanding of God has to be a full circle about what God does, and that you Amethyst prefer a partial circles only.  Ron is a full circle human and you are not; however, you learn better than he does that love is important to maintain the glue of the work to be done to have people first understand they are not alone in a huge family of care if it is allowed to surface to individual minds.  Ron feels that too but finds it limiting and you do not Amethyst.

"I conclude with Ron, you need an attitude change but that is hard for you since you really feel so useless about the material Star God and want only to be with the Love God exclusively.  That is terribly limiting but so far that is your choice fully Amethyst.  Good day MICHAEL OF NEBADON."

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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2021, 13:34:43 pm »
SELF-KNOWLEDGE IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.
This subject seems to me so essential to understand and accept everything else. And I am so glad it has been touched upon here in these days and now in this response from Ron to Ametheyst who asked a much needed question and just as it was something I also wanted to express in almost the same wording as she did. Perhaps the major emphasis that Sai Baba put in his teachings, is the need to know who we are or self-knowledge, and he said "Self-knowledge is the knowledge of God". Here I share with you a short and easy message on the particular of the hundreds He taught: 

"The assurance that God is always near will give strength to your members. Remember that with each step you are closer to God; and also that God takes ten steps toward you when you take one step toward Him. This journey has no pauses; it is a continuous journey through tears and smiles, through births and deaths. When the road ends and the goal is reached, the pilgrim discovers that he has only traveled from himself to himself; that the God he sought was always in him, with him, beside him and around him! He himself was always divine" (SAI BABA)

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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2021, 14:51:19 pm »
Ron can we provide a list of names to for you to explain to add to the list in your glossary?


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That is a good idea Weydevu.  Yes give a list and I will use it to add to the glossary.  Thank you.  Ron
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2021, 02:28:17 am »
I thank MICHAEL OF NEBADON, Tyler and you Ron.  I see a lot of truth in these words and have had a session with Jesus that I will share on the Saturday Lightline. As to the answers to your questions you ask, I doubt if they are what you want me to see but.....

RON:  Why does matter have to be materialized?  You do not know.  Let the mind say what it is conjuring up about matter and describe it honestly to me in a statement and as questions that grow out of your feeling of non participation about accepting the process of materialization.

Amethyst:  Materialization allows humans and other low entities a vehicle of expression. Without materialization only spirit can exist and express, leaving no avenue for growth.

Ron:  Why do we learn how something is done to make matter appear when we have no sense about self origins which produce the plasma of pre matter?  Must I learn anything of the remote ancestory of universe building?  

Amethyst:  I cannot answer this, but only suggest that to know God as CREATOR, we will at some point need this understanding. 


Ron:  A million questions perhaps, but only those questions that pertain to your unease its all an abstraction.  Is it meaning less?  What meaning are you after you cannot find here in contemplating Absolutes or about administrative worlds to see over universe building or about Creator Sons and their career changes inside relentless universe changes to space they rule?

Amethyst:  What I see is ABSOLUTE DIVINE CONTROL. Nothing is ever left to chance and all is under the control of PRIME CREATOR, GOD.

Again, I don't exactly understand what you are fishing for here, but I do understand, (and have always understood) that AT SOME POINT, I must learn these things well. Yes I do see my human mind as inadequate NOW, but not in the future.

I also want to acknowledge the quote from SAI BABA from occerpa. Thank you. I see this as true and important.
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2021, 11:08:22 am »
Thanks Amethyst for your answers back.  The important thing Amethyst whatever is said you had a chance to think about why you are dissatisfied and maybe partially hear yourself asking why too?  I never said you are missing anything but to do like quit smoking cold turkey, that is something you have to do with other people Amethyst, and that is to stop cold turkey worrying about what others say about you or what you do.  Listen to yourself and understand what you say that is true about yourself and desires, and that is beneficial like stop smoking is good for you too.  I do not think you fully comprehend you are a well done individual with all the bells and whistles in place as they should be, but you never are sure you are worthy when you take seriously what others want you to be and cannot be.  I leave it alone as having disturbed you a little but the worth of it is you are thinking about it too.   Thanks for your return answer above.   Ron

MICHAEL OF NEBADON- "Ron fully exported to you Amethyst a lot more than you took out of it but is deciding you are thinking again and that is important.  Be assured I agree with his analysis very well and you missed the entire idea you need to regain your own center and not place what others tell you you must be and stop working them and listen to yourself about how you wish to relate to the world at large and spirit in particular.  You never say to yourself this is what I want and then fully understand why you want it via your own past experiences and needs.  He is correct and you leave far too much on your plate thinking you already know the meaning of what he says, but not so.  Think some more about that analysis.  MICHAEL OF NEBADON.  K"

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