Weydevu, you continue to make the error like the man who runs for political office to think everything revolves around him and what he seeks to win. No one understands this better than I do, and the FATHER has warned me, that to tell the rank and file of the Urantia Book readership these things exist, and in spite of your understanding of the Book, they exist anyhow as described.
Let me say this, and for those of you who are honestly straining at your leash of comprehension, the CONSUMMATORS OF UNIVERSE DESTINY exist and they are bigger than almost anything else EXCEPT He is their equal as a Consummator Himself.
FURTHER: Please try to understand this: GOD EXISTS IN THE MASTER UNIVERSE. He, God, does function outside of it!
You are going to have to let go of the nice pictures of JESUS and remind yourself tha JESUS is born in the Master Universe; He is not part of anything outside of it. Neither are you, but what has been revealed is that the contiguous space level that houses the existential Deities is the reality of God, and not of hyperinfinity.
Here is a Commander of the Counselors to the Father Infinite. Remember they Counsel only on their level of existence and unless given rights to speak to a time creature like we are, we do not know how or why they exist. You are going to have to change your mental premise Weydevu that all is God. That is not true in spite of hyperinfinity being as powerful but does not equate to the idea of God in our lives.
ARTHURA - "You Weydevu are fully confused with the idea of God to the point you cannot make the leap to understand that my boss is not the UNIVERSAL FATHER. My boos as I am is Consummator of the Universe Number (4) Four. How can that be?
"The answer is it exists but out of your hearing and you refuse to accept like Ron does that matter is worth anything but to wear or sit on. Matter is God too. Matter has an undeified aspect, but that does not mean it outside of God and the Master Universe.
"What this revelation is brought to you by the thinking and praying that Ron does all the time to keep current, is to tell you that the bridge to Infinity in the Master Universe is three times out of your view, yet it is God. When you leave the Master Universe you are dealing with reality that is not God, but they are so hugely related to the Father Infinite, he accepts their counsel about all sorts of things you can never ever approach with any even partial understanding. Ron, for some reason or other, is on the brink of holding all of us and you at least into a cohesive picture of God in the Master Universe, and God in the Master Universe with brothers called Consummators who are not spirit, not God, but equal to Father in approbation of the character of existential Deity in the Master Universe.
"I am ARTHURA. I belong to the hyperinfinity outside of the Master Universe. I have asked permission to speak to the Master Universe's time sector. You are part of the time sector Weydevu, and as a member of this revelatory team on this discussion forum in time, you are showing the true colors of the time issue Ron in part has over come. He cares you understand this, but you fall back in thought to a Urantia Book Foreward that has no address to anything but the Master Universe issues. Issues exist outside of God to God, but not to you. That is all you have to understand, and you must stop invoking the idea that Infinity is all of everything at once for all circumstances., It is NOT!
"You have put aside Ron's speech to all of you that the Master Universe Infinity is NOT all of everything! It is all of everything to the Master Universe only and you are subject to it as well, but hyperinfinity exists too and it is not of origin in the Master Universe, it is of origins outside of it. Ron keeps telling you, Master Universe Infinity is an invented system of Infinity. INVENTED!!!
"Furthermore Master Universe Infinity is not inherently usable by entities that exist outside of the invention of Infinity we use in the Master Universe. Read that carefully. Ron has invented speech to get at this idea and laments you cannot discard Infinity is alone without other circumstances prevailing around our own Infinity. Simply take its description and not equate it to the closed system of Infinity you read in the Foreward of the Urantia Book. What the Foreward says is true only inside of the Master Universe. Universailty exists outside of the Master Universe in terms we will never accept as reality but must know someday to conceive there is life beyond Infinite cohesion.
"GOD is INFINITE. But God takes counsel from origins which see the Master Universe as a trial and experience. Suppose I say that both Hyperinfinity and Master Universe Infinity drive the idea of a car to work. Hyperinfinity cars drive themselves. Master Universe cars have to be driven. They are related by using cars, but not related in the systems they use to work.
"In your own mind Weydevu, accept Hyperinfinity and the Consummators of Universe Destiny Infinity are outside of the Master Universe Infinity and do not mix them together, but they are so smart and thoughtful, FATHER uses them when the Master Universe gets a problem they both can work on.
"I am ARTHURA. Here is your FATHER speaking to this and your problem of acceptance:" ARTHURA
THE UNIVERSAL FATHER - "Ron you are a hero to us and yet you find it so difficult to keep separate you do notg place much more thought into it so you do not upset Me. I do not get upset but I do get frustrated when someone like you Weydevu, cannot make the leap that existential anything is still a concept, and therefore not a total reality for those who exceed that concept.
"You Ron fully enjoy the idea and view it as a way to excel in understanding of the diagram of Master Universe issues. However, you are Ron, also limited by the negative view it is for others and not for yourself. Well, it is for yourself once you allow there are great things pending from my level too and I am not worrying the Master Universe about them right now. For reasons of State I must obey my own dictates and allow nothing more to escape into your agile minds, but to allow you Ron some peace and quiet soon voer an issue killing you in the flesh right now. Be assured it does not kill you but the damnable issue of resurrection not either, but the idea you are limited by time vices you love to dabble with but have no real care anymore about. For that reason you are allowed a full view considerably more than ever allowed before, and you actually made the idea sitck to about 80 other people here and about a million people on the morontial worlds that this exists.
"Marion Rowly was about to throw the entire concept out until you said, one day, it is not a fantasy butan invention for man to understand that perfection is not static. That is a huge expression which exceeds the philosophy of the5th epochal revelation, and such is this concept, it adds considerably to the value of the 5th epochal revelation.
"Unlike Weydevu, you do not consider the Urantia Book or the 5th epochal revelation ruined, but chargeable over errors creeping in due to events the5th epochal revelation never saw could occur. Frankly, neither did I see it to be subject to these events and therefore changes to the revelation. For that reason Ron, you have made us viable without getting too close to be destroyed by the idea that epochal revelation can change and be in error once events that can change epochal revelation have occurred.
"Likewise, you Ron you are aware your life is done down here but lament there remains a huge amount of work you instigated that has to be done. You do not want that to happen without you, but you are facing today what we all face now and then, a disappointment with man and with reality that God cannot comprehend what you do in small details. I now see your fear and concern and make allowances to have them addressed, but you are not going to rule WTP as much as you think because it is too big for you to keep it running without Rayson or Me. You are fully expositing you know that but do not know how.
"Furthermore, you are dreading the end as a total miscarriage of Justice and while it may be, it is not for you to carry on with error and horror without referencing the ANCIENTS OF DAYS, and hope they see your view that the insurrection must be eliminated by fully removing the insurrectionists. While I do too, our methods differ. Let this remind you Weydevu, that while Ron is superior in so many things, he refuses to give into an insurrection that culls him out of existence, but does not answer their greed sufficiently and for that reason they are to be exterminated, but MY WAY.
"You Ron care that Weydevu corrects his viewpoint in order to get at the vast meal of new ideas this allows; however, Weydevu is much happier not to receive anything new. On the other hand you know receiving something new in concept keeps life going and interested in what next. You are fully examining this moment to moment but Weydevu never does and is so settled in his views at times you let him be and the rest who do the same on this discussion forum.
"Lastly, WE are not interested in time talk Ron, and neither are you, and you drive most people wild not allowing things to be settled between you and this is evident in your 10 January Board Meeting where you exclude to make changes of present workability. No one else could do this and yet it is the solution. BUT you are prepared to make amends if it requires you to backtrack the decision. IT does not, but then they are not aware of enough to distract the decision you made. You feel bad and so do we but let us see how it works eventually.
"For reasons between ME and the gatepost as you refer to confidentiality, WE are sure you make everything work and refuse compromise that harms us. That is solidly understood by all of us, but you harm yourself without being sure all of everything you need to live is available in some measure even if only in mentality. For that reason we dare not make a startling statement to you that all things are finished for you in the physical and for that reason you need everything done before you go to satisfy yourself you are well beyond any real consensus with things you fully deplore otherwise. I state my case to MICHAEL OF NEBADON, that the growth of Ron is exciting to behold, but he loves his fellows enough not to let the sit in their own filth and to let well enough alone when they are out of it but never thanking him or Us for doing it for them.
"In conclusion, nothing is bigger than FATHER and you fully understand that Ron, but you fail to achieve comfort in your own mind with anyone due to the continuing circumstance you find no solace in contacting issues of thought and gender that skew the growth to God up so badly they must spend generations up here on the mansion worlds untangling their choices to be dependent on another human and not on ME. You alone have made one concession after another to accommodate life in your view better but never miss the idea you are inexperienced too much. I agree you are so unusual you need study, but you know your own weaknesses and refuse to compromise with them.
"Hyperinfinity is not a lost cause to you Weydevu, or to Ron ever, but Weydevu you will spend eons of time attempting to follow the role Ron has already achieved and then still wondering why Ron can do it and you do not have anything but struggles to work them or it out. K FATHER OF ALL has spoken. "
Ron - Thank you FATHER. And a great big thank you to you ARTHURA for attempting what is so hard to grasp in our ways about the one thing to learn in the material life: boredom happens in materiality, but it cannot happen in the Master Universe when the student religionist understands that Infinity for one is but an Invention by another, and that the self-revealing FATHER OF ALL know very well his material children will one day understand this and much more in the future days of life for all of them. Good day to all for now.
Ron
FOR MICHAEL OF NEBADON who comments: "Ron you are blessed and hated at the same time for being able to pull this kind of information together and yet you know it is inadequate all by itself. For that reason you let it lie as an important understanding for all to gather, but you do not know really what to do with it except it answers the idea that Infinity is never static conclusion but merely a door to more Infinity in its way.
"One more thing Weydevu, Ron uses you for explanations to himself a lot and in no way says you have to stop this, but this to you Weydevu, give Ron his due, but then give yourself the idea you are far beyond understanding of your fellows and that is truthfully quite viewable to you when you try to explain evan the simplest concept to a drugged roomate (used to be) and drunk others who cannot comprehend the time of day much less what you are trying to tell them. Your life is hard Weydevu, and so is Ron's, but you both feast on the idea WE make a huge difference to your lives and live well within our view of the operation of taking all of life with the will of the FATHER always present. Good day and God Bless Weydevu! MICHAEL OF NEBADON. K"
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