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Series II Lesson 01 to . . . Ohrbeck Tapes - Michael of Nebadon New Series for Missions / Re: Rebellion Doctrine Refuted. GABRIEL of SALVINGTON. v2 l40. 10.06.22

« on: October 10, 2022, 15:42:12 pm »

Weydevu, the proof or not proof of the existence of the Father is only proven by the activities of Paradise and Lucifer had no access to Paradise.  We do.  Don't you think that is a surprising issue if you think about it?  I note that the Urantia Book ascertains no ascender on the mansion worlds ever joined the Lucifer rebellion.  The lowest order of all remained faithful while the divine orders cast aspersions on our simple faith.  Don't you think that is a surprising issue?

And Weydevu, what is the definition of proof' what constitutes proof?  Lucifer never insisted you had to see to believe for proof, but he never saw FATHER, and never utilized faith as you utilize faith that JESUS did appear and was good.  You have no direct visual evidence of such and the scriptures are two thousand years old without one iota more of another scripture coming forth.  Cults depend on the infallibility of its leader Weydevu, and the Lucifer rebellion above all is a cult among spiritual personalities.   Why would anyone of you depend on the say-so of a cult leader like Lucifer for truth when you deny their operations here on Urantia as insane?

Church leaders here on Urantia have problems keeping their flocks together quite often because they chose not to be charismatic evangelicals.   Those who do become empire builders as Lucifer did so by  seizing parts of a Planetary System including 36 planets that fell under his regime.  His crystal palace he thought was his was on the capital called Jerusem. Merely to state something is what Lucifer chose to do as Hitler chose to state that the German leadership was guiltless of homicidal mania.  Mein Kampf written by Hitler was a personal philosophy as the Lucifer Manifest was the same.  How is that dependable as revelational truth?   Both regimes are thugs with alternative histories of shame and cruelty, and how would a spiritual militia leader like Lucifer propose a revision to the spiritual teachings of Jesus other than to refuse Jesus success as a Bestowal Son?  It seems Lucifer depended on the higher celestial minds to be swayed while we lowest level of God-knowing creations could not find truth in the mania Lucifer proposes yet today.  Many little sons were murdered for disobeying Hitler-like Lucifer.

There are souls on earth today who will always find reasons to disbelieve anything they did not personally invent.  Trump is a good example of what Lucifer depended on for the lie has no disregard for people who wish to believe otherwise.  It is not explainable easily to understand why the higher minds found Lucifer usable and I think if we could see the work of the Ancients of Days, they are still trying to find cause for Lucifer's popularity as our electorate funds the popularity over election result lies.

But the truth of the matter is that man is Indwelt by the Father and has a personal experience with his presence and at times his spirit.  Lucifer had no such existence and never asked about it for that matter.  Here is Gabriel to speak to it:

GABRIEL - "You Ron are among our worst supporters for FATHER experience because you have it so directly and so well you take it, not for granted, but easy to do.  FATHER never makes this easy to experience Him directly, but you managed it at China Pond and that will never be well known but your biographer, and there will be one some day, cannot play anything well without knowing the China Pond experience, so replete that to this day you are sure you nearly died with it.  Saint Paul had the same experience and did nearly die from it but you live in a different era.  The truth is that nothing works like a real spiritual experience that changes one's life so much it can be pointed to date and time as you did for July 10, 1988 at four minutes to midnight of the 11th. 

"I also see the refutation of Lucifer again, and this time Lucifer is gone but his minions object to any such discussion and that is too bad as it happens to have been a cause celebre up here too.  No one can deliver a man to God like that except the FATHER, and Ron you riveted our attention for weeks as you were seized so securely you spent three days awake trying to comprehend what happened toy you.  For that reason you had to hurry back and forth between the Pennsylvania home of brother and your home in New York, and never did they ever comprehend anything wrong except a headache you so-called had.  They are truly are incoherent  and wish nothing well for almost anyone for the most part.  That experience resonates well up here and you accept it well, but Lucifer could not grasp that happening and you had it happen not once but twice when the Adjuster refused to allow you to remain unaffected by it the first time and redid it weeks later much to your difficulties at work with it.

"Be assured I as GABRIEL still see you glazed at times over the reason it was so difficult but you let it lie as essentially a control issue and that is how we review it too.  However, today the 10th of October you find deeply confining as the worst of the worst is happening in your body and you have no outlet except to see outside to a beautiful sunny day and no way to enjoy any of it.  Further more all who work there for you have abandoned it not but hate the house they live in and are forecasting a way to get shelter without paying the price of an evangelical who will not relent ever in the presence.  She has lost her cool Ron and you are playing dumb and thank goodness for that.   You laugh at your luck sometimes but it is over soon and you can resume normal living as the entire matter of the 10th of October is still pending and you are ready with open arms if they can be used.  'We appreciate that.' Says Jesus:"

JESUS - "Now I know you brother.  You have taken the heat for God for over 30 years having fought a divine intrusion so severe you did no think you would live on that day again.  That is true now and that is no longer true that you will die here.  However the 10th of October 2022, is not finished Ron and you are in a coma almost over unrelenting pain and Luciferian interference which yu make sure they know their vile ways are your wish for their way to leave but all vile means possible and that shall be accomplished well by me!  For reasons of State this entire matter is shushed up on Salvington for now, but China Pond is not forgotten and Michael of Nebadon instigated it not, but Paradise did, and Paradise is glad they did it, as you have made them proud over so many issues still pending they must be seen through before you come home. 

"For reasons I dare not go into Ron, you are lost to the final statements of the MELCHIZEDEKS this morning when you were rudely awakened to stand in pouting contribution to Lucifer they were going to maim or kill you on the spot.  You dared them to do it and they could not raise a hand and you laughed at them for their idolatry.  No one can do that except a man who was converted on the spot as what happened at China Pond, and no one will know except God just what happened those long six and twelve month collisions of a highly prestigious job. a failing monarch at Velzy, a lethal chum in the new corporation, and so on down the line of such trials.  You wonder why others do not follow us so well, well it is because you had a thorough vetting of hatred and misuse of power everywhere in those days and you stayed the course even refusing legal recrimination to stay in a job you felt fine but the company bankrupt already.    

"We are GABRIEL. Proceed with your legal work Ron as it concludes well and suddenly.  Do not ask for anything more at the moment except to change the will.  Let the heir named remain and let it proceed as you decree.  That is the best solution to a hairy problem for MICHAEL OF NEBADON to carry out well with the MAGISTERIAL MISSION still proposed and no longer hindered after today the 10th of October, 2022.   Be assured we stand behind these words well.

"Lastly, Lucifer never saw Ron, but he predicted him and left instructions to his heir that should Urantia ever produce another Harry the Ape like Ron, they are to remove him immediately, and Urantia did, and no promise to anyone, but this should finally play out well and sincerely, as Ron does not play lethal politics but insists on honesty and direct service without the chicanery of local issues with people.  That is essentially what JESUS asked for from his apostles, and that is what he got. In conclusion Weydevu, Ron provides you the human scenario of what it is to be like on the lowest rung of creation to know the FATHER exists, and he never looks back as he has more proof than anyone could ever have as he has inventions and powers that come with faithful service and he loves the job too.  Be caring Weydevu you stand this well in the days to come too.  Best wishes to all."

[Thank you GABRIEL, JESUS, MICHAEL and the thoughts of our Melchizedeks on high, for this bracing report to me in particular.  I also know that most here appreciate the lectures on Lucifer and I stand four square with all who are so kind to work with me in these matters.  Ron]

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Series II Lesson 01 to . . . Ohrbeck Tapes - Michael of Nebadon New Series for Missions / Re: Rebellion Doctrine Refuted. GABRIEL of SALVINGTON. v2 l40. 10.06.22

« on: October 10, 2022, 10:46:23 am »

Occerpa and SonsofGod,
Let me clear something first:  China Pond was as acute of incapacitation of the Road to Damascus was and is for Saint Paul (Paul of Tarsus).  However, Saint Paul executed the devil by learning to devote to God that which was of God to God, and then fell to delivering eulogies of care for the Christian life of Jesus Christ.  I, on the other hand, was sure that the meaning of the China Pond conversion was accurately portrayed as the termination of the work of a Thought Adjuster who wished to appear as the very proof of high revelation, that God was here, God prevailed, and that God would shepherd any and all who came before him as He must live through us.  That needs to be understood through Sai Baba teachings as '"life everlasting with effort of life forever not construed without some form of intelligent effort to prevail against all odds against life in the spirit world of perfection."  I am not quoting directly Occerpa but paraphrasing what I know of his philosophical discussions at all.

China Pond was a dividing point in my life, as without it, I could never write any essay on how God works or how God prays with us.  Sai Baba does not say much about that point, but God has prayed with me frequently and blessedly for the comfort of my own soul so torn by endless conversions of evil against the sane life for anyone on Urantia, and to me and with me in an endless variety of redo, redone, and redo again.  I am sick and tired of to redo, but this place called America is no better than Guatemala or Spanish Harlem in New York City, and its internecine gang wars and endless hostage taking and racial hatreds.   China Pond was incapacitating to my physically for most of a year, and then it relented and I came across much to discuss but no one to discuss anything about it with or for or to.  My only regret is that I did not there and then give up my employment, go home, and rest a year without ever getting another story from the Urantia Foundation and its sudden dislike of the Brotherhood enough to destroy it.

For reasons of my own I stuck it out and still have fits in my own mind over why do all this work only to die in my own bed with legs that refuse to function, eyes that do not focus, and a heart so strong it never gets upset with me and my battles to stay alive in some peace.   Occerpa you insist on the doll/puppet analogy, and you repeat the endless discussion of environmentalists and psychologists the meaning of life.  The contention is wrong on both extremes in that God preconditions life as it must live in His reality.  But He does not insist on conformance which Sai Baba seems to be silent about.  I have no argument with God whatsoever, as even the Creator Son is preconditioned by the Ultimacy of God while the Creator Son works in a time reality conditioned by the timeless variety of care by the Universal Father.

Sai Baba to me makes a good argument always, but he does not clarify that life is conditioned without conversion attempted to force man to do his will unless you have no personal power and then one is directed entirely by not being like a doll but by using the animal kingdom's guide called INSTINCT.  I think Sai Baba feels there too much instinct being enforced in man's life and in that I would agree with him.

Last night I wen to be wonder what the next day the 10th of October would really spring as new us.  The 10th of October is this day I write this at 10:30 AM where I live.  It is cool but not cold; it is lovely out but empty, and I am sure there is great spirit activity, but I am greeted this morning with the goddamn cabal and I refuse to live with them whatever ever day it might mean at this time.  For that reason I have nothing to say to anyone except we meet the day in each of our places, and we meet the conditions we are born with in those places; however, this day is still special, and I say this to Occerpa, SonsOfGod and to all of you:

Stay the course!  This is far from over.  And for reasons of my own, I am purifying nothing but waiting it out as best I can too, and that is to let the powers to be understand I stand to serve, and while evil makes my legs smashed in their own blood, I absolutely refuse to discuss anything the cabal, Lucifer, or any variation of evil that can be, for their good.  China Pond speaks through daily:  IT WAS REAL; WTP IS REAL;  the hydrogen car is real, yet the motion to make them inventions into reality is fully thwarted by a goddamn cabal that has nothing to do with human life whatsoever, but that is where they go to sacrifice the goat!  No one will ever tell me Occerpa you are correct about the doll, nor will I ever accept that suspicion that life is ordered by a puppet master, but there are preconditions, but those preconditions should never be interpreted as a master puppeteer ordering the play as in Punch and Judy would have you believe too.  That is not directed to you Occerpa, but at the idiots in the churches and the government insisting they know better by something they think is the divine right to order man himself as intercessors for the Father's will or any divine will prevalent in our lives at any given point to work with. 

The10th of October, as you say Occerpa, feels right in spite of no voice yet, but I expect even that is con travailing most of the entire matter of the last 80 years of history with a major revelation no one reads, and even most here have never read it through either.   I will never understand that of any of you but again that is hardly a puppet that does not read the idea of a puppeteer in His own hand to command us.  The Urantia Book hardly commands, but it does state our reality correctly.

Finally, I take it Occerpa you are convinced of the slavish doll idea and concept.  I do not ever see it that way, and I am not sure Sai Baba really believes that yet, as his life is not yours anymore, nor is his life entirely mine either, as we disagree on only one point, and that is I have proof in my own life that the cooperative nature of God IS CONDITIONED by the material world of personality, and that God meets it beautifully even with great difficulty, but he does make amends to see it our way sometimes in spite of hard and fast rules not to do it that way ever.  I have an open faced Adjuster speaking 24/7 and I have technical inventions they suggest will benefit Urantia always in a material patent developing quite well when they finally get over it being from a dummy.  I love that.  I really do!

The last day of time is today.  That is what they tell us and I have no reason to disbelieve what they want to tell us.  However, for your die hard individualists, it is a hard row to hoe again this day, as it must be fulfilled as personally decreed by JESUS and the spark of Infinity God through the Creator Son of Nebadon.  I am not sorry about anything and may GOD;S WILL BE DONE!

Ron for all I claim to speak with on high.   Thank you all.

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Series II Lesson 01 to . . . Ohrbeck Tapes - Michael of Nebadon New Series for Missions / Re: Transmission Reception. Unnamed Midwayer. v2 l42

« on: October 09, 2022, 22:57:11 pm »

Dominick:  I read this through twice.  Can you explain to me your version of a transmission being a noun, and a transmission being a verb.  Let's see" "to transmit." means I act to produce a transcription out loud or written, and that is the verb, right?  The noun is "the transcription," a file completed as an object to store or hand around.  I understand, I think, the difference between verb and noun, but what or how does a transcript emerge first or second as verb or noun that is better than the other to think of it as you enter to produce a transcript.  Something is missing in the discovery of the content of this message.  I now transmit your Midwayer to find out what he may see about my question.

Unnamed MIDWAYER - "I am Adolfo!  Ron that is my name for Midwayer Unnamed to use if he wishes to be named fro this answer.  . . .  'Yes I am Adolfo to be named to answer your inquiry.'

ADOLFO - "I am that mysterious Midwayer, Dominick cannot find a name for, and I discard Adolfo not!  I like the vibration of those letters as you spell them Ron.

"You see Dominick refuse to define his terms.  Typical you say to him so often but he does it to avoid repetition but if he wants to be a good teacher he must stop that in transmit work.  You are amazing in the ability to understand him even without him naming his terms.  That is a serous fault and you run up against it when you wish to repeat something he already knows, and he complains, but she should not.  That is because he does rarely have the full information in spite of hearing something about it before.  It will cause him harm in the future when he finds he does not know what he is supposed to do.  You wrote out instructions for him to follow in the event of another problem.  He sees it and thinks he knows it but he has not anywhere assumed things fully correctly.  You need a viewer like me to insist he read it at the time and check of each item as he does them.  The problem is not yours to correct or mine, but the Adjuster must find a way to reconnect a portion of his brain that lies dormant thanks to the use of a stimulant drug in the past and it burned out the nerve connections to that section of the brain.  You lament it but that is not correcting it.

"Truly spoken to, transmissions taken as nouns are easy to assimilate as they are factual, hence the term "noun."  In your language a noun is a fact or object and a transmission can be both to take down.  You Ron do not take transmissions as a "noun." but as a "verb."  That means you hear them easily and extricate them immediately into sound and fury if necessary.  "Verb," transmissions are impressive all the time and can tire a listener with so may hills and valleys in them they get hard to assimilate.  You are aware of this and ask others to transmit in your sessions to relieve the audience of scrambling to understand what the transmissions all say.  For that reason in today's Lightline, you stumbled not and that was to ask Lemuel to broadcast Jesus through a "noun" transmission - factually spoken.  You returned a spoke JESUS as a verb then,  and together they match one another well and easily hears justiposed to each other.

"That explains verb and noun well.  What Dominick spoke to otherwise is very difficult for you to make sense of but he works his life and his transmitting the same way:  He does what we call noun calling.  "NOUN CALLING," is when you reach a point in your explanation when you have forgotten what it is you are really explaining, and then ask for a recitation which ignores what you are speaking to and to refresh the lesson speech with the idea the subject can also do this, or that, or something else.  That is what happens in the middle of the transmission, and you threw your hands up and had to read it twice.  Fine, Dominick says, but I get low marks for an explanation as to why a transmission is one type or another (noun or very types).  He now favors nothing like ti after doing the transmission and concentrates on the idea of channel versus transmission, and there you lose what he had to say, for he never finished the thought with me.  That is the direct result of the burned out wire to a part of the brain not feeding him some sort of information to make him aware of what he has already said and how he said it.  Your part is so hard wired now you know precisely what was said and how it should be connected to teaching a subject such as the difference between channel and transmitting. 

"You are sure that CHANNEL is not well supported because it is not useful to the deeper parts of the brain, and is dangerously close to the subconscious.  Most who channel are transmitting the sub conscious and should be ignored.  However, a good transmitter loses his place never, and the only thing you lose Ron is who is transmitting sometimes.  That is funny for those transmitting know perfectly well who they are but when they enter your mind, they can wonder too who is sending the words.  IT is a crazy patch work quilt with you at times as you are fully honed into the Father and that makes transmitting so easy you have no problem ever, but the average person never fully reaches that ability and wonders how you do it.  You do not do it, the Adjuster does it all the time and you find that so easy you make no effort to center on a frequency.

"Obviously, you can have problems now and then when you are physically tired and you often stop and refresh the frequency for the narrator above you.  That helps tremendously and we wish others would follow your example.  However, lately the cabal has taken to refreshing you too and that infuriates you as you drop a transmission as a fade and you will never tolerate that again.  They know you very well buy fail to grasp you mean business and often get burned with you as you let them have it good. 

"I am Midwayer ALFONSO at your service and good day.  K"

[Ron here:  you are a pleasure to work with Alfonso and I thank you for the explanation and guidance for Dominick as well.  We and I thank you for your service! k]

WE hear now from CYRIL, the MIDWAYER assigned to me with his Compliment, MELONY. 
"I am Cyril a Midwayer not from Panoptia Ron, but from a galaxy far, far, away.  You are one of the few who requires an immense appeal to higher authority due to the construction of your brain on a Midwayer level never seen before.  You have trouble making yourself understood mostly because you are like Dominick, he does not name subjects, and you refuse to over state them too.  That is not brash but caring for your reader more than you should, but your book ORIGINS is going to be a best seller someday and it muwt be broken out of Amazon as they are refusing to understand they owe revenue to you in droves soon.  Why?  The amazon brand is never fully understanding they have an obligation to the author, and in your case the entire matter is broken not into pieces but wholesale distribution you never saw done but slick of hand it ws removed from you by warehousing them away from your control.  that led to Amazon merely picking and choosing where to take the books from to fulfill and order, and you have sold close to four thousand of them and are due about $6,000 in direct payments but they are unaware of your clearance title with Archway and refuse to divulge to Gitz what they do do and they never pay revenue out if there is no consignment author.  That breaks the bank for good with you and you are so disgusted and Gitz so addlepated over his treatment he gave up and you are not in favor of ever dealing with Amazon or self publishing again.  We happen to agree with your views, but you are due a handsome sum soon as the book is making headway into major publication if you are attentive to the requirement to make the changes to do that.  You are not and that is due to a Midwayer cousin, Bzhutu changing a scheme to publish in your mind and he agrees it needs changed back to get some much need capital back into your system.  Steven Gitz is rarely sure of your design for publication, and right now it is too much with WTP weighing on you so hard.  Let Gitz figure out the protocol to get paid the royalties and then pay him well for his efforts.  K.

"As Midwayer Cyril, let it be known Ron you are hastily drawing the conclusion your life is nearly over due to pain and other things showing up in droves against you.  That is not true but it is hard to explain that Father never makes the same mistake twice and it happened such a fellow like you had to be discharged over similar issues when he suddenly died in the middle of a storm unforeseen around him and the entire matter backfired on Paradise since he was scheduled to live for centuries just as you are.  The consequence was that the soul of that individual was arraigned before the Court of the Ancients of Days for dereliction of duty, and that was mistakenly persecuted but there is a bad taste in all of it now.  They let you reside as is but in great pain and that must end soon if not now.  K

"In closing, you asked for counsel and this is it:  'Melony and I wish you well and we must desist in most counsel due to the fact you are closing in on spirit advantages not but in a classification of spirit counsel yourself to the Planetary Government, and for that reason you are classified as STAFF for MICHAEL OF NEBADON, and you consider that awfully high but honorary at best, but no, you do so well when questioned, you are not dropped ever to say a word if asked, and you must be asked as you are slow to say anything about what is happening because your feel they know best and let it lie.  For reasons of State keep you and Dominick operating as long as he allows for he is Quixotic as you pointed out to him several times and unpredictable in decision making.  You feel that is a dangerous and are wary about changes, as you put it, in psychology, and he is doubly sure you know what your are talking about. He is amazed you can figure thing out quickly and that is his to keep going because you see far and wide all the time.  K,. END  Cyril

(Thank you Midwayer Cyril for the chance to hear you well.  I need this all the time in spite of your wish to remain slow to speak.  You are greatly appreciated.  TA.]

And this is the end of this response to what is a hard read in certain areas of the post on transmitting.  But now we have it pretty well straightened out and the subjects are now named to help me out.  Thank you all for reading along. 


MICHAEL OF NEBADON -  "The hour is late on "Christmas Eve," Ron, we love the idea that Jesus is Santa Claus now as the babe of Jerusalem is not the babe of Urantia, as the Second Return is planned shortly.  God Bless All!  And a very good night!  Mercy dominated MICHAEL!  [Thank you MICHAEL for taking precious time to gift us with your good wishes.  Ron]


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Series II Lesson 01 to . . . Ohrbeck Tapes - Michael of Nebadon New Series for Missions / Re: v2 l41. Summary Lessons Applied. Unnamed Delegation. 10.07.22

« on: October 07, 2022, 15:06:52 pm »

Lemuel, I received a spurious email from you apparently to Dominick that said you completely agreed with this.  How I got that I will never tell you, but the point I wish to make is that the Delegation, aided and abetted by I guess Arthura, speaks clearly, and in agreeable philosophic terms.  However, I find myself sour about this study.  Why?

Ron Besser sees the principles fully well as elucidated by the lesson given above.  However, he notes that the entire matter of civilizations are felt values in the first place that bonds millions of people together on the principle that life is better lived in the protection of groups.  For that reason the only thing besides life safety issues that holds the civilization together as an operating process of community living is the respect for property and loving thy neighbor with enough effort not to go to war with him over a barking dog.

That said, Ron Besser says that the entire matter of neighbors is missing from the Delegates report and what is left is a megalith of sounds about contrariness and counter issues which we agree with as truly worth defining, but that is not entirely what makes a civilization successful or for that matter, sustainable.  Rather what keeps the civilization in motion is its success in supplying the peace and tranquility of daily life without war lord and tax collectors beating the door down for material sustainment.  They are unbearable and no civilization is going to keep such policies going if it wishes those issues going too.  For that reason I would modify today's lesson and insist that the word LOVE is totally absent while it should be at the forefront of any community in order to keep social behavior in check and respect for the law and its corollary, the right stuff at the right time when the whole community is threatened by violence or catastrophe.

Here is ARTHURA to yell at me:

"You are not reasonable Ron to assume I know what I am talking about in every case.  Dominick and I care you intercede all the time but this time you are yelling at the DELEGATION and not at me.  They you have already met and enjoy as the leader is a friend of yours, but when they run into Dominick's mind, there is a coldness to it not in yours ever.  For that reason it translates a study on civilizations on cold cut issues you consider very well present, but not the operating conditions within a civilization.  One, you say, cannot operate without the other, but that is not a consideration ever in the lesson presented.  You do well to make the complaint as I did and that is to say they covered the philosophical definitions of a civilization, but actually failed to explain why some civilizations exist and other leave quickly because they are not useful to anyhone including the leaders of such.  Nazi Germany is a good example of such a civilization, and the Jesus Christ never had a change to form a civilization with the Jews, who are quite capable of establish a civilization based on the Kingdom and not the Law.  We stand back for Big Stuff to report:

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "Ron you need to mow but before you do take this down:  The Delegation you just wrote to now understands you depend on me to categorize your discomfort in this case.  You caught on at once it lacked the glue of civilization's sustainability of the love of ones neighbor, but also found the cold cut of definitions a little too well defined, and worry that is how Dominick actually thinks.  No, he does not.  But Lemuel does  uch to my concern and for that matter Lemuel, Ron got that spurious email because I willed it to him and that explains nothing what you did for that to happen.  I am MICHAEL OF NEBADON and the entire matter of civilization needs redefined also by you ARTHURA as the entire matter is dealt a blow by this insurrection over the issue of Ron and Me being totally at odds with the idea of power being able to squash the defenseless creature based on their disfavor for a universe policy the defenseless ones have no issue with or know about.  That is the big fight and Ron says that anyone who would do that is devoid of love to start with and what the hell were they doing in the business of MINISTRY?   I ask the same thing of the old supreme forever, and for that matter so does the FATHER now.

"What has to be taken better by the DELEGATION Ron enjoys is they need to lighten up not on Ron or Dominick, but on Mantutia who does understand the prospect of  Ron delegating certain issues of the Second Return strictly as a human resolve to live better under the powerful guidance of lover and mercy to make things work better on Urantia.  Lemuel if you had the power very little would be left to define your lives in a rich environment you consider to be wives and children and power to run the entire matter without delegating authority any more than you ever used it yourself.  It is a combination for anarchy and that is what you got. 

In any case Ron, your feelings are roiled over the issue fully and you found this lesson to cruel and sure but without ever finding the nexus, the main point of a civilization, and that is to protect its citizens from cruelty and existential need. but that is nowhere to be found in the lesson presented today.  Love is a mitigating factor that allows justice to perform well too and that is not longer true in the western civilization you have today.  That dooms your civilization already and the Jesus Return is now the reformation you need to address, and that to readdress if you can bring yourself to act as Christians and as Civilizers too.    That completes my remarks.  K

[Thank you Michael for self and social clarification of principles hard to fully understand in my case in particular for I have had to create a personal civilization where I did not compromise development in the need for the mores to constantly interfere with the false wisdom of so many things this place called the western world holds dear, too dear.  We appreciate your presence Michael and are deeply grateful for spending time you really should not on we lost ones.  Ron]

THE DELEGATION - "Well, well, well, are we not just wonderful you two, Ron and Michael.  I am a choice Supernaphim who now sees the entire matter differently yet.  Ron you dislike civilizations in general over the issue of so many affairs botched by you you are without a hair of influence in life.  True.  However, you are without influence on Urantia but up here you play a cat and mouse game that is fun and without rancor as you are fully aware the Father's will prevails and you care to place it at the fore front of all plans for the Missions and even for Us.  For that reason this is a friendly jaunt into philosophy you term as cold and calculating, and no unremindful it is correct too.  BUT, and you win this one:  no one ever meant to skip the love angle at all but Dominick is cold and brooding all the time and you wonder how he can keep it up!  BE assured you are a terrible temptation to give in to but he reminds himself you are old and nearly useless, and for that reason not particularly useful for arguments about government he stands so harshly for.  You are aware of his philosophy to stand tall but adamantly admitting the truth man causes most of the evil on Urantia for which you shout with him, "YES!"  Together you are a proud reform team, but he is cold and calculating and you are far from that ever.  It is a pleasure to see you both at work agreeing on the problem but not on the solution.

"What we wrote in our lesson today is not your disfavor but your warning that the definitions are far from complete and we have to amend a sentence he uses that says we believe in peace and tranquility but not the expense of a good civilization (and you agree with that), but that civilization must also become a reward too and not an harassment you count as a tax collector and uncaring not at all about existential threats to the civilization either.  I see your point well now and that is why this civilization you live with now is done for.  IT is old and useless and needs a jolt from God to get it back on track as a means to an end without leaving scratch marks on your face and arms to do it.  The Biden administration tries kindness but bumbles into bankruptcy doing it.  That is excessive care too and must be stopped very soon as the United States is no saint either and needs to be reminded as Occerpa did for all of you there is not a lot of sympathy left for the America that slaughtered Vietnamese too.  For reasons of State that is left alone but you are aware of it yourself and do not let the US always enjoy light rays like arrows around its national eagle either. 

"Finally, the lesson Dominick fielded here today is full of innuendo over issues of his own which he unfailingly transmits when he is deep in thought over what he receives.  You have taught him how to run with a transmission and make the most of it, but you fail to understand he adds his own thoughts subconsciously when irascible Lucifer is around to promote a slightly sour human over human affairs entirely to get the upper hand over ARTHURA or the DELEGATION.   You will not do that ever!  Your believe we deserve full voice however that comes down to hear and read, but you do not allow unsightly fights either only because they confuse an audience who can only hear and you allow that is the case but you are fully alive intellectually over how the message is delivered and that is so much better than just words.  In fact you are the only transmitter that calls it correctly:  WE ARE SCRIBES not publishers of our own thoughts!  Truthfully stated and that is why you can go to place no one else can including inventions that will change this world over and over again.

"WE are sure you keep this well with us, but Dominick does not hear conventional wisdom, he does you and corrects if he can, but you are not easily assuming the mantle of leadership when you must resign from the Magisterial Foundation over the issue of gender intolerance while serving on the Board.  You will not keep Board members because they must vent their emotions and that is not to be done on your Board.  For reasons of State you agree with many religions that the dedication is solely to the business of the Board and not into arguments over marriage difficulties and the like.  You will not tolerate it as they are petty and disruptive, but they are essentially unkind reminders of the human condition and it must be reviewed in all segments of the work in doing the will of God as well.  K"  The DELEGATION.  (We thank the kind spokesman for the law and request your counsel frequently.  Ron]

MICHAEL OF NEBADON -  "Ron knows you Maxine, and you are fully discharging your care for the entire matter we know and he knows that too, but Maxine you fail to understand Ron is on the high ground with this and he fully is aware if a Board member gets into gender affairs, they are history eventually.  It cannot be explained to anyone who does not have China Pond in their history.  For reasons of State, Ron is fully aware of the prevarication of people who play gender upsets over marriage and engagement, and will no tolerate the lovelorn over any of this.  He is also fully aware your performances got to hell when psychically troubled over these matters.  And finally this:  Maxine enjoys your fairness and care and insists you not knowing the gender wars well, you stay at his side anyhow.   Love, MICHAEL OF NEBADON."

MAXINE 0 "PHEW!  Talk about a partnership, I dare not argue what I said anymore but you Ron care not about feelings just as Dominick care not for them anymore either.  You have a full sized partner over these gender issues that constantly stir the pot iwth outrageous media incursions into lives and the failure of people to realize marriage is not meant to be the church, but that the church has to back off on the whole idea of marriage being a scriptural matter.  It is not!  Reform will come bitter, not sweet, once the new civilization is ready to take hold all over the world at the same time in spite of racial differences.  I am MAXINE and good day to you all."  [Thank you Maxine for a tumble into too much truth.]

Ron - And I thank all for following th speech.  Happy days to all.

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Series II Lesson 01 to . . . Ohrbeck Tapes - Michael of Nebadon New Series for Missions / Re: Rebellion Doctrine Refuted. GABRIEL of SALVINGTON. v2 l40. 10.06.22

« on: October 07, 2022, 10:00:56 am »

Occerpa I sense you can sink into to dark speculation of man being too subject to control and therefore is made into a puppet too often or entirely.  I am not sure of your view of it though.  When or if your take a moment to reflect, so is the rose subject to reality control, and I wonder what the alternative would be to the reality that all life grows in a prescribed manner under that is given to grow life in reality.  Underneath your concern over puppets is I guess your dislike of being manipulated toward old age without any say against removal by death-- another unpleasant reality.

I smile thinking how unhappy I am over approaching age and the inevitable death that must follow the end of living on Urantia.  I think, if I read you correctly, you think there is some sort of dishonesty about destiny because you have too little say about using it on a conveyor belt to the end itself too. 

You write:
"what is really fiction in this Creation or divine game? It was revealed to us here in the forum that if Lucifer had been gifted by an Adjuster he would never have rebelled, as he referenced in this lesson from Gabriel of Salvington or Michael's highest representative of Nebadon throughout the Universe, from Salvington to Uversa and Paradise. , that those who merge with their Adjuster never betray the Universal Father, as one might logically think. From here we can deduce that all the work of the Soul-bearing man, that is, indwelled by a Thought Adjuster, is concentrated in reaching that communion and final fusion with the divine indweller."

Ron here - Occerpa the statement is good, but the logic is askew and let me explain something I see:  Adjusters are not critically involved with a soul when the soul is first required to append the coordinated life with God at all, even as a beginning idea.  The Adjuster requires the man or woman to start the process however long it takes to do that in time.   Lucifer never considered life important beyond exercising power over it as a Lanonadek Son of considerable worth and power.  Lucifer choose self expression over God expression and that is eventually fatal to plans to unionize man with God permanently as a new order of being called a Finaliter.

I do not dispute Gabriel here except that Lucifer would HAVE to be human and not Lanonadek for that to have taken place where Adjuster that mind would lead to a different decision of not to rebel.  God can and does force decisions at critical junctures of the life span both in man and in the divine I am sure; however, please understand that a mind indwelt by an Adjuster never seems to understand such is true at all and proceeds to take on life as a lone sentinel to end it all by the forces of evolutionary decrees.  Gabriel has a great point to make then if Lucifer were entirely human, but Lucifer was also determined that no force would ever over take his talent as a great thinker and for that reason he forever denied that God is superior to his thinking, and an Adjuster could never make any strategic difference to such an individual determining thought was superior to God-knowing wisdom.

You ask what is fiction in this Creation or divine game?  Time is the fiction Occerpa.  That is not double talk.  Time permits aging and it permit discussion and it permits random thinking of views that lie outside of reality.  Lucifer knew only time too, and while he was superior in thought to almost any idea of analytical planning by lesser thinkers, he could not be convinced there were superior forces to Michael or to his own order of Sonship ever.  At least that is the analysis of the psychology department attached to the Ancients of Days who fully adjudicated the Lucifer rebellion in 1986, and then to suddenly find there are crucible inheritors of the Lucifer ideas and ideals who were still trying to keep certain elements of Sonship out of divine coordnation with Paradise.

Time is fiction and you know it but forget to name it because it is so encompassing without ever announcing it is always in control to make tiny little steps toward Adjuster advising you to coordinate the center of one's life with the controlling God reality that permeates time but runs a close second to being almost fully invisible.  I am not going to even try to untangle what that does to minds that use the inherent human capacity to doubt everything without making any effort to prove there is a conspiracy against life in God's dishonesty to operation with man.  Man is no fool, but he lets it happen anyhow by being completely unable to fathom spiritual factors in a material mind so lame it carries very little benefit to man's first life starting on  a rock and no way to secure a goal for himself except to do something.  Rarely is that sufficient for eternal life, but the Adjuster adheres to the idea the next life is educational enough to survive as a perfected material start of life in a spiritual ending. 

You have your good points Occerpa and I am not entirely sure you are correct in some of the suppositions you make.  However, I doubt Gabriel ever intended to start a run on your life bank of solid gains in your own spiritual accomplishments which I see are many and well stated.  I leave you to your contemplation, and maybe you have to say something that will cheer me up a little too as I find the bending of ones back from vertical standing life to the bending back of old age no cure to enjoy old age very much at all.  Cheers to you!  And thank you for the post. 

Ron
MICHAEL OF NEBADON - "Ron you and Occerpa feel almost identically over some of these issues.  The difference between you is that you feel you are mistaken, and he feels he is right.  Be assured there is not middle ground.  You Ron are not mistaken in most things, but feel the degree of cruelty of old age under pressure to live again daunting and Occerpa never considers it at all.  For that reason you two are like peas in a pod; he feels much you do, but you are optimistic and he is not.  That is a huge difference between brothers, and Occerpa will never fully comprehend the China Pond experience you had while you cannot view anything without remembering China Pond and the experience of a total return to God you enjoyed in spite of the pain of learning to live with a talkative Thought Adjuster at age 46.  You Ron have taught Dominick to do that at age 48m and he is hardly able to comprehend what you did at 46, but the two of you have one thing in common:  you both achieved Adjuster contact before age 50 and that is a hugely important step toward perfection destiny few ever achieve even in the present FINALITER corp on Urantia, which, by the way, are all former Urantians! 

"Occerpa you have achieved these things already in your fine mind too and Ron admires your ability to speak to spiritual reality with goodness and beauty all the time.  However, you are so pessimistic you cannot see the forest for the trees and let things lie so you do not have to force another issue you just plain do not like!  That is to pray before every meal and eat only judicious offerings from the garden.  Ron never likes to pray that way either and hates being told not to like M and M's to the point he gets sick eating them sometimes.   The religious life is in the doing, and both of you :do."  But Occerpa you cry yourself to sleep, and Ron just goes to sleep without ever worrying about God's role as a controller or some sort of monster reality Occerpa thinks operates some times.  There is not such thing Occerpa, except as Ron has well pointed out that life ends and many things cannot be done in time you can learn to do later on in the continuing life sponsored by God for the ascenders.

"I conclude this Occerpa as you are one of the few that can get Ron's juices working because you are substantial in your comments and decision to take on so-called polemic statements that really are not meant to deeply affect the real meaning of God in one's life as an ascender.  finally Ron, keep your good cheer operating in spite of endless difficulties for and in a life that wishes you to be removed at once, but you refuse to let it end with a whimper and stay the course in spite of all that has gone wrong.  IT is corrected soon enough and RAYSON has a dictation for you not here though.  Good day to you Occerpa and as Ron says, CHEERS, and that should be a good sign he keeps you well for your own sake and concerns he addresses to but somewhat differently than you can or do, because Occerpa you do not have China Pond to remind you of an extraordinary God event to talk about with others.  At least not yet is that true.  MICHAEL OF NEBADON. "  K

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Another UPDATE ON GOLD STANDARD US DOLLAR from the Proposed REGENCY

« on: October 03, 2022, 11:40:43 am »

SUBJECT: Greetings from a new Finaliter, Moses!
SUBJECT: The Regency and the Gold Standard for US Dollar
MOSES of OLD
MONJORONSON AND SERARA
MICHAEL OF NEBADON
From the Magisterial Foundation
T/R: Ronald Besser
October 03, 2022 11:30am NY DST



This is MOSES of the Ten Commandments, speaking:

“You are lackluster as usual early in the morning, but fail to ratify well the work done on you over night to train that pain out of you very well. So far there is a dent in it, but there is no remission, and your head aches and rings as usual to start the day. Our world of Urantia is ready to dive into a cussable means of dealing with vagrants of trust such as your political situation in the Ukraine now shows all of us. We also trust this is acceptable to say in spite of one who calls himself Prozonov who is winning the batten for spiritual superiority but must fight local conditions all day long to stay sane himself. You fully prize him and his work and he is one lucky man to have your support so well done.

“I am also a FINALITER now too, and I love my work to be able to flit around space and time to see all of its repercussions which you have no idea about. But let me tell you about one of them at least you can appreciate.

“Fourteen years ago you spent a small amount of money to stay well done with an organization you thought would work well for you, but it failed entirely, and you just let it die over an issue of disagreement not only with the Magisterial Sons who could not keep the pace up, but you so upset a member of that group he has become a bitter enemy, not only against you, but for the worst nightmare of heart he has ever experienced, and that was to divorce his mother and father from use in his home further. They are known to you by name and this time you are sure they are fully unaware of everything is going on. Not so.

“What you need to know is that your refusal to compromise with useless information has led to a home spun industry on high that resolves people like that individual who has come to dislike you so much. That said, the father and the mother no longer hear you but him and then wonder what happened to you? They asked him, and he said you were a putrid reminder of a past he reputes entirely. That said they ran a text test on you and found it so illuminating they questioned his sanity. For that reason he now reads a section of the financial report you gave on the dollar and marvels at your accuracy and momentary regard for a new use dollar backed by gold. We too saw it and thank Monjoronson and Serara for what they did and you are very grateful you did a graphic for it, but placed it aside wondering what else you could say.

“You can say this: no one does work like this without being rewarded by on high delegations and we hear you are getting a reward of Jesus attempting to diffuse the terrible pain you suffer over what must be called attempted murder by the very spirit which promotes peace and tranquility elsewhere but not here.

“As a result there is nothing to say regarding that spirit, but with regard to your financial report, the US Chamber of Commerce has spied it somehow, and they are making it a primary subject to review with you some date in the future, as they are quite sure you know the situation so well you can illuminate their membership what it means to obtain a gold standard based on what you call a REGENCY. For that reason you have the CIA listening slightly to your call for normalcy in a moment and to end the idea of a regency if necessary, as the tall order right now is to quell the seraphic rebellion and stop the Vorondadek Son fight with the Lanonadek Sons close behind. Why all this chatter?

“MICHAEL OF NEBADON has decreed that NEBADON learn to eat its own pudding when objecting to you and itself over issues of Urantia state. They are fully aware you have nothing to do with policy and implementation, but they are sure you are the instrument to provide WTP and other famous ideas now resident in your scalp. He, MICHAEL, believes you are the sure test case for Urantia to learn many things for a change and this time you are not going to be snuffed out period. For that reason I, MOSES, inhabit a sphere near you to learn how you are moving so well you blend with the currents around you so well you do not stir envy or care or use but to allow you to operate as a very old man now without any cares except ot make the property look good again before you exit Urantia. That said, hear this:

“Be assured I am MOSES of old, but you are countering cabal not but the FATHER counting noses as this is typed and you are getting a huge reception to understand what is being said here. The US Chamber of Commerce is truly ready to speak to you, but you cannot run any special speech without MONJORONSON OR SERARA chirping in and for that reason you let it lie if contacted which is quite doubtful to you.

“Nonetheless, look at it this way, there is no use for you so long as you remain hidden in your cupst and we stand ready to help you out of those cups if you decide to let things lie with WTP at the moment and have nothing but good will toward the Patent office to let things ride and just issue the patent. They will now as they are aware that your attorney is unhappy too and is getting ready to change process again if they persist in snubbing the issuance so harshly he cannot get a strait answer at all. We stand back briefly for MONJORONSON to speak now:”

MONJORONSON with SERARA, MAGISTERIAL SONS OF RECORD from Paradise and the proposed MAGISTERIAL MISSION on our planet for the next half millennia at least:

“WE are delighted to speak and you are grateful too as you consider the MOSES foray here so interpreted as high interest, but the truth is Ron, MOSES is running not a game but a chance you hear him well enough to change a direction he insists is better off for Urantia. Not so but carefully evaluate his concern: he thinks you are so well done you need to leave Urantia at once and stop pandering to forces that refuse to listen at all, and start speaking to groups up here that sincerely believe you are the right person at the right time to send a powerful message to the power brokers, you are no longer concerned about them, but about the planet and that the gold standard must be implemented to stave off total collapse of the financial developments Urantia has been dealing with since 1947 and Bretton Woods. You are one of the few who remember its proviso that the States attending that agreement then, also agreed to pay the United States in gold if there is a financial crisis of major proportions. That is approaching but the US will never ask for gold but for a chance to revise the world order now, and insist that a gold standard is too expensive but must be done anyhow. That is already in the works with Janet Yellen, and she is not aware of your little article, but if she were you would be contacted at once and her statement about you would be, ‘’he knows more than I do and I must find out how!” That never happens to you for some reason and you are left standing at the gate all the time. You are too little and too unknown to let this pass as good and interesting evaluations.

“However: let this range a little more for you. I did not intend to spill all that last week when you put that up with sincere intentions to let it alone then but as the last word on the dollar. I am quite sure the entire matter is now so important it needs repeated to high authority and its promotion is underway by the US Chamber of Commerce who spied it in a Google review of postings around the world and found it so enlightening they highlighted it for a future meeting. If that comes to fruition, be assured you are famous at once, as it is fully a treatise of extraordinary power to release gold not out of the IMF, and to have it relive its time at the end of World War II, by becoming the arbiter of how the world apportions payment for goods received.

“Yesterday, you sought to revenge no one but accidentally shot a man developing well and suddenly he is aware you are hot shooting Russia or him but the sense of regulatory means to keep this site out of political and war arguments so the truth about a REGENCY can be heard good and well without polemics that cut across those messages.

“For reasons of State, MONJORONSON AND SERARA feel the entire matter is so important, they too see the article as beautifully presented in normal vernacular language which everyone appreciates down there. You correctly assume it can be done, but you also state that the message is subject to a gold value change when it is implemented. We will never allow gold to reach the herculean heights of $10,000/troy ounce but it can sail to $5,000/ounce and that is devastating too. For that reason we suggest that the entire matter of the regency and the gold standard be set aside and to allow the matter therein discussed slide off the table for a moment. We are now looking at this for example:

“MOSES started this as a complaint, not against you, but for you to consider, and that is to trial no one about a gold standard at all. Instead look at it as a useful way to introduce the idea of a REGENCY and that is not badly stated by the cabal either; however, we want a gold standard but not at the risk of killing the body politic on Urantia to do it. Instead let gold reside at its present value we think should be $1.800/troy ounce– more or less.

“If we do that Janet Yellen can call the Federal Reserve and open an account for any country so long as they are genuinely a sovereign country, and to insist that gold deposited in those accounts is useable at any time to pay debts for goods and services. That saves us, the REGENCY, from negotiating every one of the 190** plus countries on Urantia at this point in time.

[** Note: There are 195 countries in the world today. This total comprises 193 countries that are member states of the United Nations and 2 countries that are non-member observer states: the Holy See and the State of Palestine. Further Taiwan is not on the list; nor are the Cook Islands in association with New Zealand, and some dependencies such a Puerto Rico are not included.]

As far as the REGENCY is concerned and the gold standard is evaluated, we consider only the highest caliber nation to be considered for the gift of gold into their treasuries. That limits our gifts to about one hundred forty-five (145) countries and we do not list them here.]

MONJORONSON AND SERARA, The Magisterial Sons of Record for this planet and Chiefs of the REGENCY, speak further now:

“WE are quite sure Ron, that your thoughts are important here, but we must stay the course and remain innocent of why the UN and its subsidiaries are looking at all these countries as viable sovereignty, for they are not and that includes Taiwan which is sovereign but unrecognized because China bullies them out of the international arrangement. For that reason Taiwan is included in our consideration but China will never receive gold from the regency for the simple reason it has most of the world gold in its vaults already. We dare not pursue this discussion on that level at all but remind the United States, it must lead the way or the rest of the world will never accept gold as a fight either if it must accept a regency.

“For that reason we suggest the following solution:

“Let this be said clearly: We have no intention of forcing a regency on any member state of the United Nations. But we do insist that the Untied States return to the gold standard at all possible placements including the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury. However, certain issues like the state of the economy and the CPI of the US remain calibrated to the old monetary standards practiced today until a solution for world denominated currencies are settled with priority to recognizing the new US dollar as the currency to compare future value to its value index alone.

“The British Pound Sterling is still a reserve currency as the Yuan might be to achieve the Chinese view of it, but those currency eventuate to the standards of the new US dollar to uncomplicate the work of world trade finally. Later discussions will determine just how this fits the regency idea of parity of sovereignty too.

[Ron note: the term “parity of sovereignty” is a phrase people will choke on right now, for the regency is looking at the idea that a voting institution like the United Nations has too many countries with equal voting rights, and that must not accrue to a future United Nations when voting on world affairs and the larger influential means larger and richer countries have on the world. Parity suggests that Taiwan have ten votes for itself, and China 50 votes for itself and the US 132 votes for itself as Chin an the US are not in parity but militarily yes they are. For that reason China hs more clout at the moment but it does not retain it if the Untied Nations censors it for any reason, and the same for the United States. The permanent members of the United Nations Security Council (also known as the Permanent Five, Big Five, or P5) are the five sovereign states to whom the UN Charter of 1945 grants a permanent seat on the UN Security Council: China, France, USSR, the United Kingdom, and the United States. The REGENCY intends that the UN receive a bachelors of art degree for maintaining this line up since 1945, but it must rescind the P5 to at least the P10 and then promote peace and not just accommodation.]

MONJORONSON AND SERARA continue speaking: “WE are also sure that the gold standard once developed has two over riding features one of which is to force payment of debts carefully and fully. The United States is owed over $1 trillion dollars from the past that never will be collected. That represents one tenth of the world currency values. However the US does not see it as wiped off the books but remains accounts receivable, and for that reason, the entire matter of debt reduction accrues to the US as a $1 trillion dollar land fall to the American treasury. Not so, as we believe the debts owed as reparations and otherwise must be wiped off the books and a gift back to the in-debt countries owing the US that much.

“Finally Ron, the term “in-debt” should be expressed as debtors and that is fine too we see. Useless paper money will suddenly be worth its weight in gold once the US departs from using the greenback and starts issuing a note somewhat like the British still do of some larger size with the notation at the top “GOLD CERTIFICATE” or “GOLD REDEEMABLE TO THE FEDERAL RESERVE ONLY” as that is the fair way to keep all that gold out of the hands of merchants and for that reason gold coinage must be limited to proofs and coinage displays in museums and no double eagles or florins must be reissued in gold ever again.

“WE conclude this speech with the following concerns:

“First, there is no free lunch even with a gold standard. Second, there is no real advantage to the gold standard but to review the means to control inflation. In the Untied States, The Panic of 1907 was the first worldwide financial crisis of the twentieth century. It transformed a recession into a contraction surpassed in severity only by the Great Depression. The panic’s impact is still felt today because it spurred the monetary reform movement that led to the establishment of the Federal Reserve System. . . . **

(** Article: https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/panic-of-1907)

“Third, we are quite sure the recession of 2008, almost 100 years to the day in some cases to the 1907 panic, is still less than the 1907 debacle as bad as that was. For that reason the gold reserve, which was in effect in 1907, cannot stop panics, but it can remove the trial of manipulation by corporations with the wealth to undo reforms as has happened with Microsoft and Apple which will learn to stay the course with the regency as they are rich corporation but must stick to the business of commerce and not currency manipulation. CONGRESS must make laws to prevent rich corporations from entering the market place either through their stocks or cash equivalents as instruments to force monetary difficulties out of their practices entirely. For that reason Microsoft and perhaps Apple need a course in monetary revisionism for their own benefit. Otherwise the regency regrets submitting them to a court of arbitration to reform their practices.

“To end this speech, let us see to it that the United States practices what it preaches, and that is financial reforms that are fair to everyone. The gold standard does this by insisting a vale for a dollar remains consistent, and that the monetary affairs of the US are open to view by all the publics in all countries. Thank you for listening. MONJORONSON AND SERARA with one voice. K”

[Ron here: We thank the Magisterial Son interests for applying more information so all of us know a lot of more about the intentions of the Regency when it comes to the currency wars now experienced over the US rise in interest rates to curb US inflation. This is not the required expression from anyone, but I am sure without these explanations, no one in a responsible position for monetary affairs will ever regain status to work in this area again if we start a big battle again over the efficacy of a gold standard the regency insists to be done. We thank the Magisterial Sons above for their erudite expressions concerning what is to be done for financial prevention of the collapse of world currencies and maybe even the US Dollar. I am grateful for your presentations Monjoronson and Serara- you are priceless information suppliers and we thank you deeply.]

MOSES - “We have accidentally triggered more than we intended Ron, but get this up and with one more statement from me next:

“AS A FINALITER, I am not ingrained to speak one last statement I want known as I seldom speak and when I do it is important, at least to Me. For that reason let the United States understand that the Covid19 virus serum with a live virus in it is too lethal to inoculation the people with. It will kill many and never let it become a standard unless it is measles, to inoculate with a live virus. Too much is unknown about the life of a virus to play with this idea ever again.

“Fully spoken to is immigration, and you Ron are furious with the Biden administration allowing the transport of individuals to different states to distribute them to various places because they have cities open to their settlement. No longer does the Biden administration like the idea at all either and it is making amends to prohibit its use as done recently.

“Let me finalize here by saying Ron is one of the few who can do this for the simple reason he has a brain that is a sponge and it arranges all sorts of contacts if Ron is aware of them, and this morning he merely picked me up waiting in line to speak. I am not easily gotten too, but MICHAEL OF NEBADON saw to it I was moved up in the queue and successfully dropped here, (phew). Besides wonder how to spell queue we had to figure out how to ask the right question to get the word too.

“In any case we are done for now, and I am MOSES, a brand new FINALITER at your service. I do not serve on Urantia, but on a Superuniverse of course I dare not speak to but it is the one just behind yours and we are fun too Ron. Let it be known that Ron is leaving Urantia soon not to be outside of Urantia but to live well in his new life on high either, but to take it up on Urantia as a finalized something to see. Good day! MOSES. “

[Ron - Now that is a voice from the past, past, past, past, and so fresh! Loved those old models on the mount. Thank you Moses for a wonderful review of information and of heart for all of us left stranded on this clinker of a planet so far. Thank you!]

MICHAEL OF NEBADON - “WE are sure Ron you are among the best we have anywhere and that includes advanced socieites that merely have to look at the mirror and are enacted into fully information for what they need to know. You Ron are nearly there for yourself but the planet is supposed to do it too and they may never reach that pinnacle either. For that reason we state the following:

“Your rush to completion is moved up days in order to get you better done for the big revision to life you must face soon as a mogul to get things done without fanfare. K MICHAEL OF NEBADON.”

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Threads for New Transmissions / Re: JESUS and Michael of Nebadon - Possible Planetary Default

« on: October 02, 2022, 12:14:30 pm »

Sue, to you in particular, your foreboding sense inside you is also echoed here.  I have been fighting depression off and on the past few weeks mostly based on the idea there is no safe place from catastrophe involving huge sums of loss of life coming.   We are picking that up with many around the world who shy back and just sit it out whatever ever country they live in.
Worse yet Sue, and I doubt it is a transmitter's fault your or me, but there conflicting messages being received over the telling of projected reaction by spirit of a nuclear exchange on Urantia.  You report the Magisterial Mission and the Jesus return will pull out.  I have seen that before, but I also have received the assurances of Jesus himself, they fully intend to stop such an exchange from happening.  Putting aside how, address the determination in that statement to save Urantia from itself before it itself kills itself off with nuclear weapons.  That is a far more positive approach than what you transmitted in part above.

JESUS HERE: "Ron, as usual you pick up the nuance that permeates spirit way up here too.  There is consolidation of views that Urantia is without merit and needs to be removed from creating any more problems.  IF this is the case then the view that we withdraw is entirely the case.

"However, if we do not withdraw, then the only other options is to prevent Putin from cascading the world into a polar war in which the USA might win, but it inherits a devastated world of broken countries unable to withstand normal and the evolutionary developments to come.  Japan is rearming.  Korea is rearming.  North Korea is armed to the teeth and is spoiling for a contact to make war and China aids and abets it all in the hope it scares the United States out of Southeast Asia.  All said and done, Chine and North Korea are on a collision course with Australia and Great Britain with Australia caught in the middle of a Franco-Prussian war style that must be stopped from escalating.

"Lest you do not remember Sue, the United States agreed with Australia to renew interest in atomic submarines and now deploys them in the south Pacific in order to warn China it is not safe from nuclear attack itself regardless of what else it does to America or NATO or the SE Treaty Organization,  in which the US just employed the Japanese Navy to strut itself in the Taiwan Straits with the US Fifth or Sixth Fleet.  We are not sure which fleet number is there any more as it used to be the the 4th US fleet long ago.

"I am truly sorry to report today that your Lightline Ron is worthless unless we can get the circuits back up and running again.  Our station chief MARGUL says that He is ready to realign Urantia with the last of  Mohicans on Urantia too, but we need communication wires and there is nothing left after the insurrection destroyed the two main trunk limes leading to Urantia.  You and Ron are catching the higher ups including JESUS, but beware the insurrection is towering over Urantia again as the last place to make its stand.  [Ron:  I am being very badly harassed and must get out of this transmission for the safety of everyone,.]   We conclude this transmission early only because they are hovering over Ron as though he 8is pulling a heist and not so but they better learn they are doomed and shortly.  JESUS OF NAZARATH reporting this:

"I WILL NOT PERMIT NUCLEAR EXCHANGES AND WE WILL BE THERE ON URANTIA WITH BELLS ON as Ron so often likes to say for a happy visit!  JESUS. K"

[Thank you Jesus for breaking through a line of morons who think murder is essentially a game of some sorts.  Ron]

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: UPDATE - LOOMING FINANCIAL CRISIS AND REGENCYH POLICY EXPLAINED FOR DOLLAR

« on: October 01, 2022, 13:09:24 pm »

You do insist on discussing the power issues surrounding the war in the Ukraine.  I keep telling you this is not the thread to do it in, and frankly it is not a subject to pursue with members who did not join to talk about Russia and NATO, but about the implications of the 5th epochal revelation and new history beyond what it expected at the time.

Dacandyman, you are not wrong.  I happen to hold those views in some variation myself.  The point to be argued is not how you feel about other countries or the war in Ukraine, but it is not a subject to be placed in this thread nor is it a fitting subject for a site that has every reason to exist over developments beyond the 5th epochal revelation including the likely return of JESUS.

Also please understand what Russia has done is to start a war in a self righteous declaration they are owed reparations to be paid in territory for the horrors they suffered in WWII mostly.  There is no reasoning that allows it to be successful and I dare say I doubt it will be.  however, world views of nations including American historians, agree history is a dirty business and we can point fingers in ev4eyr case that do not show any nation in a particularly or moral light by past actions in certain cases.  That we live with, but we dare not condone civil-side as a type of suicide that Hitler attempted to insisted upon as this world will never have a spiritual renaissance under the guise of Putin going berserk because he had to.  Paranoia is a mental affectation Putin has caught and no, I do not think, the USA is without disasters of its own when it has to catch that too.    Spirit says grow up!  Yet we insist on being the 15th century savage entirely and fully and create military complexes to ward off the evil eye of national competitions that get out of hand.

I remind you who know the 5th epochal revelation that the chapter on the work of another planet and its change of heart among war like nations found there, was brokered into a cease fire not entirely unlike what Urantia is being offered here.  I am not at liberty to speak to all of it, but Panoptia, our twin sister of a planet, has the very same problem in the 5th epochal revelation too with the Lucifer rebellion.  Those Panoptian nations were forced into the stalemate of internal strife and war all over the place until a human stood up and pushed back annihilation Lucifer encouraged and is now so honored today,  another nation on Panoptia has come forward to insist it join Urantia in its Magisterial Mission in hopes of a spiritual renaissance too.  Our world is ignorant of what you know of such things, but even without knowing that history of a sister planet, we do see Putin is a selfish oaf and has triggered a spiritual backlash, not only among nations on Urantia, but with spiritual guidance to Salvington to stay out of it and keep the Missions back!

We need to honor the thread for what it started and get off the Ukraine war and accusing everyone of doing it too as some sort of justification.  There is no justification in any moral sense.   Well yes, hell you cannot but know we all did it sometimes,  but not anymore, please!  They know not what they do!  With Jesus he is determined to see this through but with so many warnings from Michael and from the Paradise Father, he is beset in his own mind there is no course but to abandon Urantia, and what we think of war is true, but we are so habituated in making it, our recourse is back to it over almost any pretext to carry it out with death and slaughter unimaginable by any civilized planet even in Satania! 

Let this lie now and no more.

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« on: October 01, 2022, 07:15:12 am »

I am not sure either one of you understand it is not unfair to make sure we do not get scolded on high to turn this site into political discussions leading to and resulting in war.  We are a peaceful kingdom and both of you are peaceful, but the politics of war are an anathema to peaceful spirit's proposals.  Do you recognize at all?  this war has actually stopped the timing of the return of Jesus? 
I not only lament that division existing with some of us, but we also are bleeding as a sphere of life and the possibility of a nuclear exchange is still 50/50 without any genuine reason other than the Bear claws for its ideals into war.    We  rescind not only what Putin does, but that he also delays progressive work by the spiritual reformers now on our planet to bring spirit visibly to us as leaders of world reform.  AT what point does national pride overrule spiritual solutions and for how long?   

This thread is about the financial recovery proposed by the regency and it is just plain wrong to address the war in Ukraine in the middle of such a debate.  The Russian empire is against the western alliances disagreeing with the Kremlin's solution for national security.  I also point out that those who oppose democratic-style peace by those western alliances are also people who support more horrors than they can share out loud here.  The view of the proposed Russian empire additions to its borders for so-called national security belong to the departments of state, not to the department of the Magisterial Mission.   I cannot allow war-like politics to erupt further as they are not related to the purpose of the Magisterial Missions and/or the second return whatsoever.

I am cutting off debate about the pros and cons of this Ukraine war because it does not belong in a discussion about financial reform through removal of awful debt by a proposed regency.   I have no sympathy to twist this thread into the polemics for war continuing.  In fact I have no sympathy for what Putin has done, but those feelings are not expressed here for good reason: they do not belong here.  

Prozonov I understand your position about your country but I see no reason that it must be debated here.  Nor to you Occerpa do we ever agree that revolution is always a useful way out to cleanse serious social mistakes on both sides of the national debates everywhere these days over injustices too many to name here.  Let it lie please and outside of the idea of a spiritual Kingdom at all.   No one is suggesting there is some justification for history to happen this way, but not here please.

We are not done with the financial proposals here and their explanation to reclaim the world affairs to revise a sane way to live and without useless decisions that go counter to what this discussion forum wishes to have and promote for our mutual education about large political and financial changes to be imposed on all governments to heal a dying world as it is.  Return the thread to its purpose and narratives for they are dangerous too and should be prepared for.

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: UPDATE - LOOMING FINANCIAL CRISIS AND REGENCYH POLICY EXPLAINED FOR DOLLAR

« on: September 30, 2022, 17:10:53 pm »

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Prozonov.  Other than how our country causes us to react one way or another, I have to insist we do not become apologists for a nation's policy unless it has direct news on the proposed spirit Missions. 

I am asking, once more, to stop responding to the war subject and stick to what we both know a little about: spirit.

For that reason I am taking down the Putin speech you provide above in support of Ukraine war activities as it is  a bitter dispute ine United States as to where the end of the war  should come and how Russia should be reminded this is not the way to settle disputes of national security.  We in the West do not see Russia being attacked from the outside, and we are therefore hostile to Russia's intentions.  I dare not let these things escalate on this site, and I am removing the posts which press discussions into accusations.  You are being patriotic and no one celebrates a patriot as I do whether it is for your country or mine.

This site produces policy discussions about the promising Missions of a spiritual nature and we all need to look forward and over the war that has obscured good relations between us and Moscow's behavior.  In all honesty there is a great division of views over what Russia did and you must expect it and get criticized.  that you can avoid  if you stick to the spiritual developments you publish here from yourself.  We consider you well done and helpful, but we must stay away from divisional subjects, and for that reason I am deleting the posts above this one to prevent further escalation entirely.  I am sorry to have to do that and wish you continued success otherwise on these pages.  Thank you.

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: UPDATE - LOOMING FINANCIAL CRISIS AND REGENCYH POLICY EXPLAINED FOR DOLLAR

« on: September 30, 2022, 08:51:20 am »

September 30, 2022
MONJORONSON SPEAKS NOW:

"WE are now sure that the insurrection and cabal is finished.  Ron has a home full of them and decries ever having to deal with them again, yet they keep pouring through as though they own the place.  That is true even this morning and he is sure they need trounced and removed fully to find peace again.  I agree and they will be fully removed from the premises, but not until MICHAEL OF NEBADON fully exonerates one or two for saving Ron a couple of times in a row from murder in his sleep as that is their favorite tactic these days.  Ron fully agrees to grant them mercy if they accept it.

"However, people be aware that the entire matter of financial use of the present monetary system is about to take a jolt if France and/or Great Britain devalue their respective currencies regardless of the use of the EURO as its trading currency.  Today the Euro has reached parity with the US dollar.  That was unheard of just two years ago, but the monetary policy of the United States is driving these other currencies tight up the wall because the interest rate the US is paying is far and above what other nations can afford to pay for investment quality stocks and bonds and even other commodities.  The shick wave of the Ukraine war and oil pricing is now outrageous even by American standards and will collapse when people stop driving and use alternative means of travel.  That means pedal bikes and the loss of airline security and train schedules when national governments can no longer afford to subsidize public transport.  Ron looks at the entire matter as useless anyhow and depends instead on Amazon to deliver most of his necessary restocking of basic materials in the household.  That said no one can predict just what the currencies are going to do inside a national government borders, and places like France or Great Britain cannot afford to issue gold standards without out help, and that we intend to give, and that is in spite of internal pressures to still use the national currency and not call it a dollar.

"However, the REGENCY will insist that all national currencies be the dollar even if the national name of the currency is still used.  Ron suggests these dollar denominated currencies can be call things like the Pound Sterling Dollar or the Franc Dollar, or the Peso Dollar, all is acceptable as long as the public in any country understands it is the dollar they spend now on gold standards.

"For that reason we suggest that countries like the United States begin to conserve silver carefully too, but there is no sense of an approaching emergency by Janet Yellen, and see is supreme confident the entire matter of subsidiary inflation will end quickly and the world currencies will be themselves again.  We are afraid not, and the concern that Felibond shares with you this morning, is the fear Ron also shares, that the entire value system is being gutted by the greed of currency traders and that they should become illegal as soon as possible.  The REGENCY will consider ways to stop all speculation as soon as there i trues acceptance of the REGENCY at once.  K.    I am MONJORONSON and more now:

"AS MONJORONSON, I now speak carefully to all of you"

"Let this resound in your hearts.  We fully expect world currencies to eventually collapse under their own weight of debt and then never remove the stain of war from their coffers since they blame either the United States of Great Britain or France of maybe the entire EU, for loading the dice of currency fraud on them entirely.  BRETON WOOD saves the day not, and we are sure that a gold standard is useless in the face of such draconian issues of pain and suffering the loss of value to almost all currencies prevails.  For that reason the REGENCY PROPOSES that no currency will yeild more than the value of one dollar at any time.  That is the safety valve and it must be resolved today or tomorrow how the REGENCY will provide for that stability.   Ron says all these moving parts of national values spells danger unless the world is nationalize for monetary purposes on the new US dollar.  That is doable.  

"What is not doable is to force the public into coherent usage of the new currency and a blackmarket revives.  If that happens the REGENCY will make sure it is not criminalized.  Instead it will force the blackmarket into despair by forcing that market to revive the old dollar value parity.  If that happens they, the blackmarket cannot cohere in trade and it will fall into disuse.  Let this be understood, that the gold standard being considered will be fair, and equitable, but it will not be subject to the discourse of speculative trade itself

"For that reason we state this to all readers:  Any new US dollar will end its life early on and regular coinage resumed in a debased metal allowed only to make sure the nation that pulls this stunt is not longer part of the world monetary funding of trade usages.  This spells big trouble for Taiwan or China or both if they insist on going it alone, as the real issue between those two countries is the total dislike of each other's national security arrangements under a Communistic system of fair trade not, but a total advantage to the Communist central government.  Trump recognized that immediately and punished China for practicing double standards.  Today the Biden administration is totally sure China is still playing unfair but that is must make amends if it wishes to grow its economy any more.

"The American Bitcoin, to use that as an example, will become useless if the gold standard is fully developed, and it will lose a lot of value if it is allowed to continue if a few years.  Be aware we are forcing this issue not, but the American government has no favorable trade status with any country unless it signs a trade pact with Great Britain soon and get Great Britain to recognize it remains a supplicant nation if it cannot get the Pound Sterling under control now. 

"Finally, the last bastion  of American defense is in the dollar and it reigns supremely over its use in most cases; however, it cannot maintain currency dollar value without reducing output of standards like the Euro has to learn to do recently, and learn to stay the course in inflation battles of higher interest rates.  Those rates today in the US are far too high for most other nations to copy an the dollar will soar in value again as it did recently.  The REGENCY must guard against this and will advise the US Treasury that interest rates in the 8 to 10 percent range are essential early on to break the back of inflation entirely.  I regret to have to say that and it will freeze out most buyers for homes and large appliances and automobiles to name a few things that will become priceless.  We end this dissertation this way:

"Be prepared to stand tall when the world currencies collapse and do not spend recklessly.  Earn your keep by recognizing salaries must shrink!  Learn that dollar amounts for goods must shrink too!  Be assured we are not playing a game of spook and run, and that is to tell you that the re-inflation of world economies is essentially impossible when this emergency hits home in a not to distant future scenario.  We close without apologizing for this is draconian news but the world must face a free fall in currency values until value is established once more, and we help that to be done by issuing enough gold to reestablish the gold standard on Urantia monetary trading uses.  Good day from heaven! a MONJORONSON."

[Ron here -  Monjoronson we greatly appreciate this discussion and shock of its arrival will not be believed b most as the end of the old war idea of inflation and a new world idea of monetary disaster not seen on this world since the early days of using the idea of a dollar for riches of the Caribbean or the Asian idea of Nirvana.  We need more education, and we pray that Monjoronson and Serara may so instruct us further.  Felibond is correct and in a sense we are all unable to cope with just what it is exactly that must be done to maintain a stable system to buy and sell things without bankrupting ourselves to do it.  The REGENCY must help us find a way to cope with unstable markets and goods to use.   I thank our MAGISTERIAL SONS for this primer, and look forward to more lectures on this very serious issues coming to visit us while Covid 19 still seems to prevail.  Here is JESUS  to speak on this:]

JESUS speaks - "I am sure this entire episode of draconian speech is not able to upset some of you in expecting me to arrive without further ado.  But there is a further ado:

"I refuse to submit my reign to the idea of such a drastic monetary collapse if such happens.  I am asking the UNIVERSAL FATHER to let this pass into history as an awful episode of monetary history quickly and that the United States liquidate all of its holdings into a national defense fund and operate as though that were the Treasury.  Jane Yellen has no experience with such an idea, but she is the one person who can make this work with fascinating vision of currency controls she has in mind if the world goes into further debt without repayment of any debt for a change.  The United States could repair itself fully and renounce all debt, but that ends the US dollar being worth a plugged nickle.  The idae of a plugged nickle comes from the days nickles were counterfeited by drilling a hole out of the coin and replacing with lead.  The counterfeiter would then sell the nickle extracted and live on that income.  Hency the idea of a plugged nickle being almost valueless.

"Nonetheless, understand that the entire matter of currency equivalents must end now and that is painful to all sovereing countries, but it must be done to allow the planet to prosper on a fair basis once more.  For that reason the national American government must lead the way, and I fully support such an undertaking as it is proposed now.  Thank you and good day.  I will speak later today on other principles.  Good day. JESUS"  [Ron - We thank you JESUS and appreciate your remarks entirely for our own good, I am sure.]  K

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Announcements about the US Dollar and the Types of Proposed Changes to World Trade and Investment by the Divine Missions to Urantia / Re: UPDATE - LOOMING FINANCIAL CRISIS AND REGENCYH POLICY EXPLAINED FOR DOLLAR

« on: September 30, 2022, 08:00:28 am »

Felibond, at the risk of saying too much, and please advise your own needs within your own circumstances, I think the following can be stated:

1 - Cryptocurrencies are wildly enthusiastic ponzi schemes not, but they are a gamble, and my own view is to be done with them and get away from the idea while one has a chance to do so safely.

SERARA, MAGISTERIAL SON destined to be on URANTIA in days from now:  "WE in heaven as you state it, are concerned that Bitcoin and a few others you know by name, will collapse from fear of the investor in those digital currencies that they truly represent nothing.  They do represent some value, but not enough to say they are worth $30,000 or $50,000 but are mostly worthless speculation.  I am SERARA and I dare not advise anyone what to do with their hard earned money and what to invest in to obtain some sort of financial security.  In fact, I doubt there is any thing like financial security if people lose the sense of the dollar being worth anything.  After all President Lincoln, and it was in the Civil War when Abraham Lincoln was the first or second in the world, to issue a paper certificate representing the value of a currency.

"WE are determined to allow the United States dollar win the war of words over value, but we are not going to speel out just what the dollar will be worth once the gold standard replaces the present and crazy monetary system with nothing backing the value of any currency, or particularly the draft dollar you currently own right now.  Silver certificates are the minimum a dollar should be issued with, but Nixon figured out that one does not have a lot of silver to back the dollar since coinage was all silver when this kind of backing was thought to be the best of both worlds.  I am not going to speak to that situation much, but the United States must start issuing silver coinage once again and get rid of the debased change of dimes and quarter and halves being mostly cupronickle.  Ron looks at your present coinage as third world currency issuesand worthless.  HE collects proof sets and while beautiful sets they are essentially worthless issues.  You can buy the silver edition of proofs but he considers the mint over pricing the sets and lets them alone too.

"If that is the case as he views them, the most beautiful coinage we have ever seen, then there is not hope for the paper dollar which he also considers so worthless as a one dollar bill these days, then the world Urantia is in big trouble and trade will come to a screeching halt.  You Felibond are right to be concerned and even scared, for investment in Crypto is worthless in the last sense of any value in currency, and the trial to own gold when we go on the gold standard is also highly speculative.  When we enter into the idea of the REGENCY we will peg gold at the present value ratio in world trade dollars.  The United States use to issue TRADE DOLLARS, and they are a beautiful silver coin the size of a silver dollar but with just a little less silver in them.  For that reason they were hoarded by republics around the world as speculative devices and often received chop marks to keep them current with the weight for value of silver at any given time.  That idea is a sound idea but unfortunately the United States no longer cares about its currency that much and more or less insists on computer trading in place of hard currency payments.  We think hard currency payments SHOULD be made in any case, and look forward to establishing a monetary system using read coinage to value the trades fully.

"That said Felibond, we have no real suggestion on how to handle investment money these days, as war and rumors of war are afoot in a lot of places again, and it may come to pass that no international currency will prevail again.  In that case we would force a monetary value based on a new US DOLLAR NOT, but on a currency called the REGENT and that is would fully backed by gold without any traidtion behind it at all.  We doubt something called the REGENT would last more than a few years until the old dollar bill becomes the leading contender for the true world currency again.  It is entirely too draconian for me to say everything will be okay when we enter the US backed dollar in gold will solve everything, for we doubt the conservative elements withing the trade markets being on Urantia will ever fully accept a world-wide currency with out metal change in the ame backing type metal as the standard value ofr the dollar itself. 

"We leave this all alone to tell you something in the next edit pane below.  Thank you; we are MONJORONSON NOW and speak as follows to all of you:

SEE NEXT DISCUSSION PANE.
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Threads for New Transmissions / Re: Father, please update ...

« on: September 29, 2022, 22:30:27 pm »

PJammer, we are delighted to see this for you and a breakthrough I hope you value as it is very valuable for you to practice more of that kind of contact.  I am proud to see you do so well with a transmission from our Father.  Thanks very much for this excellent effort/   Ron

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« on: September 29, 2022, 22:23:32 pm »

Hello Prozonov,  I am glad to answer you.  The proposed Regency will not qualify nations to receive these gifts if they spend outrageous amounts for the military.  The United States will be advised to stand down on NATO expenditures in exchange for a civilian use of military hardware instead.  They do not forecast the nations  listed by that statement as agreeable to do that any time soon or ever depending on their choices of government uses.  The Regency is not biased by government style that much, but feels that nations which spend with a full military emphasis are too much of a gamble to cooperate with the Regency without military incidents arising, and their own rules prohibit gifting to such nations who do that currently. 


There is tape made today Prozonov which addresses the REGENCY that is experimented first inside the United States. and the transmissions instructs the issues it must address about how the divine will approach the US government administration and some idea in what way the President of the United States is to tolerate their incarnated presence as incarnated counsel on policy.  I am assured they decrease military hardware purchases and experiments and to learn how to use the vast resources of that military to begin humanitarian exercises.  The tape speaks to the problems spirit may have convincing the Department of Defense to exchange guns for plows, but that is what is in the offing.
Of course Prozonov this idea of the REGENCY is tied into the Second Return of Jesus, and Jesus finds nuclear weapons abhorrent, and I find his speech to me full of suggestions that if there is not a voluntary re-association of those weapons into the junk pile, he will order them non workable and all will have to throw them away anyhow.  Few understand that if God wills it, regardless of how improbable it may seem to our material minds, it succeeds as Father wills it.  The divinity of the coming REGENCY will develop spiritual means even to man on how to discern the will of God when they first learn to cooperate with a REGENCY for their government.  Russia and others mentioned are to receive REGENCY but under the present hostile conditions the spiritual government already established on this sphere, will not authorize China or Russia or North Korea gifts which authorize more expenditures for what they consider the wrong activities.  But a Regency is promised for all in peaceful condition when that time comes.


I hope this helps you.  Feel free to question, and if you can follow English speech, I transmit the Regency council in part on the tape with some of what they had to say here.  Thanks you and God bless, Prozonov/
Ron

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« on: September 28, 2022, 23:47:10 pm »

It is interesting Sue, you truncated the end part of the post where Michael states that our Congress must pass laws that allows our 200 dollars still to be 200 dollars to start.  The law negates the disadvantage of gold value into the currency and mitigates the need for special pricing, as the potatoes can still cost $3.84 for a five pound bag and I still have 200 dollars in my account.  That is how Michael will direct the Regency and the laws governing the start of a US dollar gold standard.

Of course realize the devil is in the details and I am just plain bad at configuring this kind of transaction.  Also kindly note that the price of gold today was not quoted but the price of gold the Magisterial Mission will peg it at.  That is the 18K something    quoted above too.  That is our Regency peg for gold not the present market value.

It is agreed with you in particular this conversion without new laws to govern gold dollar pricing values we have chaos.  That control by law that no one shall benefit from windfall profits just by owing gold, and that gold at the outset of the gold standard remains the same dollar valuations we have now.  That is forcing gold to misbehave at first buyt the world systems will confirm this is the right move for the Regency to decree.

One last note too which I did not cover in the post, is that the Magisterial Sons insist that the gold standard be prepared to use itself for every country on this world.  Here is a little chart what they intend to do, and this is ball park stuff not that specific:  A gift of gold bars will be made to the following examples to remove all debt from every country and they may start fresh without any further need for loans and printing money beyond their immediate needs:

A Gift of Gold to:
The United States -  One Trillion dollars in platinum, and six trillion dollars in gold bars;

Australia - One million thousand dollars in gold as a gift without payback as well;

Great Britain -  Six thousand million gold in gold  and one thousand million in platinum;

Spain -  Five trillion;

Portugal - One trillion;

The Netherlands - Sixty-five billion in gold alone;

Germany - One trillion in gold

Russia, China,  North Korea must reform their governments to receive these gifts;

Cambodia, Vietnam, and other SE Asian countries about 60 billion each in gold.

The Balkans area - about 500 billion in gold each.

I cannot list all here but you get the idea I am sure.

Please do not expect this gold to appear from Urantia sources.  The Magisterial Sons have access to all the gold Urantia needs to do these programs.  All countries will then be expected to adopt the gold dollar as their worl currency.

All of this depends that the United States be the first to receive the gift and reconfigure its economy away from the current financial markets.  Stocks and bonds still are sold but under tighter restirictions.  We leave it there for now.

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